Or they can hop on and have a physical copy mailed to them.
You know, pay for the license and then opt to have a physical copy sent to them for $7.
I'm sure they could just mass order a ton of discs at $7 and try to explain to the judge why $7 entitles them to resell the copies even though they have only once physical license to the software...
Then they send a hundred interns to many stores to physically pick up a dozen boxes each. Every day.
So they send interns to go buy macbooks, macbook pros, and mac pros every day to get their copies of OS X?
So what, they eat the cost of the Mac? Or are they going to violate Apple's copyright by redistributing that copy of OS X on multiple machines?
Or did you fail to understand my point?
You can't expect Apple to demand registration prior to a brick and mortar shop sale (papers please!)
Aside from your Godwin, no I don't. Every mac comes with OS X. But when you want to upgrade to 10.6 you won't find it in stores, you'll go online to the Apple store, register your serial number with your account, and donwload or have shipped to you a copy for that machine.
Even then you have a hundred interns that can register, fake and forge all day long
Forging serial numbers, nice. I do think Apple could make a case with respect to fraud for that.
And I'm not going to acknowlege the rest of your post, as it's patently ridiculous.
Then Psystar buys a mac, and buys as many copies as they want for it.
And Apple sues them into the ground for copyright violation. Re-read what I said. You sign on, register your serial, and you are granted a license to the most current version of OS X --FOR THAT MACHINE--. You can download it however many times you want. Doesn't mean you can install it on an infinite number of machines.
Buy once, install many. On that machine. Or have Apple send you a copy. For that machine.
Psystar just wants people to have a choice. Nothing wrong with that. They just want people to buy a cheaper computer that does everything an Apple one does.
Everyone already has a choice, they just have to do it themselves. Psystar just wants to play leech on Apple's success without investing any of the R&D and brand building effort.
Let me guess - you're a mac user?:)
I own one macbook. I also use Linux daily and my desktop and work laptop run Windows XP.
What I am is someone who despises ridiculous arguments and the idiot cheering on of a company who builds generic PCs and rides Apple's brands while bringing nothing terribly unique to the table themselves.
If they win, they will succeed in nothing but forcing Apple to do digital distribution for future upgrades of OS X.
They will manage nothing but the removal of boxed retail copies from store shelves and online distributor inventories. You'll have to log on the Apple store, register your Mac's serial number, and buy a digital download you burn with your superdrive.
The downside is that Psystar kills the means by which they leech of Apple's brand, and are simply another hardware OEM, and thus are no more "valuable" than the millions of Dell PCs that are shipped every year.
If anyone thinks that Psystar winning would mean they'd suddenly explode in popularity and start raking in cash, you are deluding yourself.
If they win, Apple will simply find the easiest to use method of constricting the availability of OS X. As others have mentioned they'll probably go the digital distribution route, pulling physical copies from stores and requiring you have an Apple store account and a valid Mac serial number tied to it.
Psystar's whole value add (not much of one) of having OS X preinstalled would dry up instantly.
But go ahead, cheer them on in their effort to leech off Apple's brand. Apple won't (can't!) stop you from putting OS X on your own hardware as it is. Being able to buy a machine with it preinstalled is of zero value unless you're trying to pass it off as somehow being "official."
They can still sell systems out of Best Buy and Fry's no problem.
You'll just see OS X disappear off the shelves and go to online-only sales, where you download and burn using your superdrive or you have a copy shipped to you.
Either way, if Psystar wins it's likely that Apple would constrict the supply enough that the only way Psystar would be able to continue would be to either buy one mac for every psystar they sell or violate Apple's copyright.
Besides, why should I pay for something I can get for free?
It's this poor attitude that is not only growing but becoming a staple of online communities with regards to stuff that can be transmitted.
And the truth is you don't get it for free. You get it subsidized by the people who do pay. But if enough people don't pay that something fails (IE the production loses money,) then it won't happen again.
Of course, rationalizations make it all easy to justify.
Also, the argument regarding the length and breadth at this point, especially when referring to JK Rowling, is moot as she has made her entire fortune almost purely off the books and within an extremely short timespan.
If you want to rip someone for that sort of thing, go tear up JRR Tolkein's family. He's been dead decades and they're still raking in cash from his works. Or wait a couple decades and -then- use her.
I'd take you seriously if this were JK Rowling's children or her some decades later. As it is, the Harry Potter series is slightly over 10 years old. This would be within the bounds of copyright in the US as established originally in the constitution.
So yes, it's completely sane for them to take her seriously. What would (and probably will) be fucked up is when decades down the line her children or some rights holder sues someone over something Harry Potter related.
The obvious solution is to drastically shorten copyright lengths, with appropriate balancing of the author's rights against large corporations that could simply wait out the copyright.
Indeed no worries, if there was no copyright she'd never have gotten rich!
Of course, she'd probably also never have bothered to keep being creative for so long. You might have gotten a book out of her, maybe a short story. But not as many books.
How much of that is because the creator's aren't keeping their end of the bargain? If you had free access to 10-year old games, books, and music, wouldn't that lower the incentive to commit infringement on the current-day stuff?
Little, I gather. Look on all of the major torrent sites and you'll see stuff on them day and date with release. This is not people protesting against unfair copyright laws but people who see it as them getting what they want for free.
If it were opposition to unfair copyright laws, you'd see torrent sites consistently full of older or hard to find works. Torrents older than a few weeks are usually dead and ones past a year are lucky to have leechers, much less seeds. The only -real- opposition to unfair copyright rules are works being released under various open licenses like the GPL and Creative Commons, but the hard part there is it requires you ACTUALLY BE CREATIVE YOURSELF instead of just lifting someone else's work and claim "zomg free speech!"
Waaaaaaaaaaaah large corporations that put up the money to produce (movies|music|tv shows|games|etc.) get angry when we violate their copyright! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah they're suing me, call the Hague!
Go create your own fucking files. You don't -have- to share their works, and if you don't then they have ZERO leg to stand on.
Illegal tying is microsoft forcing their OEM licensors to include IE to the exclusion of Netscape as a monopoly.
Basically, tying the inclusion of their browser to their OS (and its dominant position in the marketplace.)
I'd like to see how any rational argument could be made that Apple is a monopoly in anything other than maybe MP3 players (and even there, they aren't a de-facto and abusive monopoly.)
What's funny is how no one mentions that Apple hasn't made a single legal move against the OSX86 project.
They haven't made a peep, not a disapproving statement nor threats of legal action. The ONLY reason Apple cares is because Psystar is riding their name and software in an attempt to make a cheap buck, and would likely push the support issues off to Apple who will take a black mark for refusing to support hardware they had no hand in.
Apple doesn't give a damn about you running OS X on your hackintosh, because you're part of a small audience and are probably aware that you get exactly nothing in terms of support. Apple does give a damn about companies like Psystar, even if their copies are legitimately purchased they'd have -nothing- if not for Apple.
And Apple was fully within their rights to kill off the clone market. They simply refused to continue licensing MacOS out to 3rd parties because, as Jobs duly noted, they were gutting Apple's bottom line. All the profit of the hardware sales but none of the software development expense. Continuing to do so would have been a critical error that would likely have killed Apple and MacOS entirely. It was a smart, if vicious, move.
True, there would be nothing better than to see Apple completely undermined by other vendors.
I can't wait for development on OS X to come to a screeching halt because Apple can't turn any revenue on their hardware platforms anymore.
Chances are you would simply see the sale of OS X go from shrinkwrapped boxes on shelves to "prove you have an Apple first then we'll sell you a copy." Can't sell what you can't buy.
And by regulating, who can see their work, they are missing out on a whole bunch of fans. Anime proved this. Sure, people download anime from Japan, translate it and repost it, but as the Anime studios figured out, this lead to more fans so they could release the English language Anime and have a fanbase.
And as you say this, in the past year:
- One US studio has closed down almost entirely, handing most of its catalog off to another US studio. - Another studio is grasping at straws, and its viability is in question.
People download anime, translate it and repost it, and a HUGE segment of the fanbase not only does not ever buy the show but they actively harass and denigrate those who do. The concept of compensating anyone for their work (not even the production studios, much less the US licensors) seems completely foreign to a huge amount of the new (last 8 years or so) fanbase.
You can look at what's popular on the torrents, and see shows with 8000-9000 leechers and 2000+ seeds. But you'll be lucky if you see even half of that in actual sales, which as we've found these days isn't enough to sustain the production of damn near anything. The attitude of "it's free and I want it for free, what's this 'pay' thing you keep talking about" carried in the fanbase is showing itself to be quite self-destructive.
And, of course, with the introduction of OpenMoko, no one can complain that an alternative does not exist.
OpenMoko is 2 generations behind even the most basic of smartphones these days. It is stuck with a GPRS-only radio, which is worse than the first generation iPhone.
Sure if you want to get it to hack at it, it's second to none. Everything is open but the baseband. But you get something that is very much NOT ready for general consumption nor for every day use. The iPhone is there. And with a moderate hack it's as open as it really needs to be.
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Or they can hop on and have a physical copy mailed to them.
You know, pay for the license and then opt to have a physical copy sent to them for $7.
I'm sure they could just mass order a ton of discs at $7 and try to explain to the judge why $7 entitles them to resell the copies even though they have only once physical license to the software...
So they send interns to go buy macbooks, macbook pros, and mac pros every day to get their copies of OS X?
So what, they eat the cost of the Mac? Or are they going to violate Apple's copyright by redistributing that copy of OS X on multiple machines?
Or did you fail to understand my point?
Aside from your Godwin, no I don't. Every mac comes with OS X. But when you want to upgrade to 10.6 you won't find it in stores, you'll go online to the Apple store, register your serial number with your account, and donwload or have shipped to you a copy for that machine.
Forging serial numbers, nice. I do think Apple could make a case with respect to fraud for that.
And I'm not going to acknowlege the rest of your post, as it's patently ridiculous.
And Apple sues them into the ground for copyright violation. Re-read what I said. You sign on, register your serial, and you are granted a license to the most current version of OS X --FOR THAT MACHINE--. You can download it however many times you want. Doesn't mean you can install it on an infinite number of machines.
Buy once, install many. On that machine. Or have Apple send you a copy. For that machine.
Everyone already has a choice, they just have to do it themselves. Psystar just wants to play leech on Apple's success without investing any of the R&D and brand building effort.
I own one macbook. I also use Linux daily and my desktop and work laptop run Windows XP.
What I am is someone who despises ridiculous arguments and the idiot cheering on of a company who builds generic PCs and rides Apple's brands while bringing nothing terribly unique to the table themselves.
If they win, they will succeed in nothing but forcing Apple to do digital distribution for future upgrades of OS X.
They will manage nothing but the removal of boxed retail copies from store shelves and online distributor inventories. You'll have to log on the Apple store, register your Mac's serial number, and buy a digital download you burn with your superdrive.
The downside is that Psystar kills the means by which they leech of Apple's brand, and are simply another hardware OEM, and thus are no more "valuable" than the millions of Dell PCs that are shipped every year.
If anyone thinks that Psystar winning would mean they'd suddenly explode in popularity and start raking in cash, you are deluding yourself.
If they win, Apple will simply find the easiest to use method of constricting the availability of OS X. As others have mentioned they'll probably go the digital distribution route, pulling physical copies from stores and requiring you have an Apple store account and a valid Mac serial number tied to it.
Psystar's whole value add (not much of one) of having OS X preinstalled would dry up instantly.
But go ahead, cheer them on in their effort to leech off Apple's brand. Apple won't (can't!) stop you from putting OS X on your own hardware as it is. Being able to buy a machine with it preinstalled is of zero value unless you're trying to pass it off as somehow being "official."
But is Apple in a monopoly position?
Hardly, that's Microsoft's territory. And Microsoft tied placing IE on the desktop to the OS, requiring it to maintain OEM licensee status.
Apple refusing to license to other companies isn't forcing them out of the PC sales market, they have other options.
This is just a bunch of whiners who hate Apple because they truly are successful.
They can still sell systems out of Best Buy and Fry's no problem.
You'll just see OS X disappear off the shelves and go to online-only sales, where you download and burn using your superdrive or you have a copy shipped to you.
Either way, if Psystar wins it's likely that Apple would constrict the supply enough that the only way Psystar would be able to continue would be to either buy one mac for every psystar they sell or violate Apple's copyright.
Then Apple requires you register your system serial number, and limits the number of copies they'll sell to you.
It's this poor attitude that is not only growing but becoming a staple of online communities with regards to stuff that can be transmitted.
And the truth is you don't get it for free. You get it subsidized by the people who do pay. But if enough people don't pay that something fails (IE the production loses money,) then it won't happen again.
Of course, rationalizations make it all easy to justify.
Also, the argument regarding the length and breadth at this point, especially when referring to JK Rowling, is moot as she has made her entire fortune almost purely off the books and within an extremely short timespan.
If you want to rip someone for that sort of thing, go tear up JRR Tolkein's family. He's been dead decades and they're still raking in cash from his works. Or wait a couple decades and -then- use her.
I'd take you seriously if this were JK Rowling's children or her some decades later. As it is, the Harry Potter series is slightly over 10 years old. This would be within the bounds of copyright in the US as established originally in the constitution.
So yes, it's completely sane for them to take her seriously. What would (and probably will) be fucked up is when decades down the line her children or some rights holder sues someone over something Harry Potter related.
The obvious solution is to drastically shorten copyright lengths, with appropriate balancing of the author's rights against large corporations that could simply wait out the copyright.
Indeed no worries, if there was no copyright she'd never have gotten rich!
Of course, she'd probably also never have bothered to keep being creative for so long. You might have gotten a book out of her, maybe a short story. But not as many books.
Little, I gather. Look on all of the major torrent sites and you'll see stuff on them day and date with release. This is not people protesting against unfair copyright laws but people who see it as them getting what they want for free.
If it were opposition to unfair copyright laws, you'd see torrent sites consistently full of older or hard to find works. Torrents older than a few weeks are usually dead and ones past a year are lucky to have leechers, much less seeds. The only -real- opposition to unfair copyright rules are works being released under various open licenses like the GPL and Creative Commons, but the hard part there is it requires you ACTUALLY BE CREATIVE YOURSELF instead of just lifting someone else's work and claim "zomg free speech!"
Are the comments decrying this post, like there always are for WoW ones?
Waaaaaaaaaaaah large corporations that put up the money to produce (movies|music|tv shows|games|etc.) get angry when we violate their copyright! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah they're suing me, call the Hague!
Go create your own fucking files. You don't -have- to share their works, and if you don't then they have ZERO leg to stand on.
Or you can continue to cry like a baby.
You pay for it all in the end. Either by purchasing products sold by advertisers, or by paying the creators directly.
You simply don't want to pay for it at all, and as such you don't deserve access to it whatsoever (until the copyright expires, of course.)
Does the computer reboot when you run a test on the UPS?
Or when you just yank the UPS's plug from the wall?
Illegal tying is microsoft forcing their OEM licensors to include IE to the exclusion of Netscape as a monopoly.
Basically, tying the inclusion of their browser to their OS (and its dominant position in the marketplace.)
I'd like to see how any rational argument could be made that Apple is a monopoly in anything other than maybe MP3 players (and even there, they aren't a de-facto and abusive monopoly.)
PAE is a hack.
Better to ditch it and move to 64-bit.
As opposed to Microsoft's arrogance, where they constantly say "give users choice" but conveniently omit that the "choice" consists of:
- Microsoft
or
- Nothing
What's funny is how no one mentions that Apple hasn't made a single legal move against the OSX86 project.
They haven't made a peep, not a disapproving statement nor threats of legal action. The ONLY reason Apple cares is because Psystar is riding their name and software in an attempt to make a cheap buck, and would likely push the support issues off to Apple who will take a black mark for refusing to support hardware they had no hand in.
Apple doesn't give a damn about you running OS X on your hackintosh, because you're part of a small audience and are probably aware that you get exactly nothing in terms of support. Apple does give a damn about companies like Psystar, even if their copies are legitimately purchased they'd have -nothing- if not for Apple.
And Apple was fully within their rights to kill off the clone market. They simply refused to continue licensing MacOS out to 3rd parties because, as Jobs duly noted, they were gutting Apple's bottom line. All the profit of the hardware sales but none of the software development expense. Continuing to do so would have been a critical error that would likely have killed Apple and MacOS entirely. It was a smart, if vicious, move.
s/most/a pittance, and only when it's convenient for a tax dodge/g
True, there would be nothing better than to see Apple completely undermined by other vendors.
I can't wait for development on OS X to come to a screeching halt because Apple can't turn any revenue on their hardware platforms anymore.
Chances are you would simply see the sale of OS X go from shrinkwrapped boxes on shelves to "prove you have an Apple first then we'll sell you a copy." Can't sell what you can't buy.
And as you say this, in the past year:
- One US studio has closed down almost entirely, handing most of its catalog off to another US studio.
- Another studio is grasping at straws, and its viability is in question.
People download anime, translate it and repost it, and a HUGE segment of the fanbase not only does not ever buy the show but they actively harass and denigrate those who do. The concept of compensating anyone for their work (not even the production studios, much less the US licensors) seems completely foreign to a huge amount of the new (last 8 years or so) fanbase.
You can look at what's popular on the torrents, and see shows with 8000-9000 leechers and 2000+ seeds. But you'll be lucky if you see even half of that in actual sales, which as we've found these days isn't enough to sustain the production of damn near anything. The attitude of "it's free and I want it for free, what's this 'pay' thing you keep talking about" carried in the fanbase is showing itself to be quite self-destructive.
OpenMoko is 2 generations behind even the most basic of smartphones these days. It is stuck with a GPRS-only radio, which is worse than the first generation iPhone.
Sure if you want to get it to hack at it, it's second to none. Everything is open but the baseband. But you get something that is very much NOT ready for general consumption nor for every day use. The iPhone is there. And with a moderate hack it's as open as it really needs to be.