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Free Tools To Evade China's Web Censorship

narramissic writes "The Global Internet Freedom Consortium (GIFC) offers a set of free tools that can be used to circumvent Chinese Internet censorship. The group claims approximately 1 million people in China use its tools to access the Internet. And, says Tao Wang, director of operations for GIFC, 'it's a very good time to remind Western reporters that there are such tools.'"

140 comments

  1. Like they won't just block the site? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the websense software on my workplace computer can block this site, I'm pretty sure the Chinese government can too.

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    1. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Oh+no,+it's+Dixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hence why these are probably mirrored at many locations.

    2. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a good thing no one has developed a way for the same software to be hosted on more than one site. Imagine if we had that? We could call it a reflection... no wait, a silver-backed glass... no...

    3. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just sent this to a friend of mine who is currently working in China.

      She said the same thing. Thanks! Shame I cant get there!

      (currently trying to send her the info over proxy)

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    4. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the Chinese government can too

      I'm sure they can and they can't. It seems any time there is some sort of institutional effort to establish controls on the content delivered via the internet there are always a myriad of ways to circumvent any given system. The problem with a article like this is, we will all feel very good about ourselves, "See they have the tools! The people can take democracy into their own hands!". But I'm sure Chinese are just like Americans, if it just works, whats the fucking point? If what they connect to walks, talks and acts like the Internet and provides them with useful services. Where is the benefit for them to go out and find and use tools like this at the risk of being labeled as subversive? There are too many more pressing needs in place for some while the more well to do have many diversions to keep them occupied from exercises in futility such as this.

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    5. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only can the Chinese government block them, they can detect who is using them and declare them enemies of the People.

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    6. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Call it silver-backing, that will be a smashing buzzword.

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    7. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Spikeman56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, but they don't. I'm surfing this right from behind the Great Chinese Firewall.

      The Great Chinese Firewall recently has been quite erratic. Surprisingly searching for a lot of open source software will set off Google, and lock me out for a few minutes. Maybe it's got something to do with being 'free'

    8. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by philspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, some people could also download the tools before they go to China, right?

    9. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The new way to block a site is to abusively register it as malware-ridden. Take a look at the results of a Google search on site:tibet.com (the Tibetan gov in exile)... http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atibet.com

      Pauvre Tibet (French)

    10. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well said.

      Moreover, here are some tools that might land you in jail. Go for it!!! The fundamental problem being it's not their skin on the line. It reminds me of the long-ago rush to build feature-complete hospitals in developing nations that would stand empty because they couldn't afford the film for the x-ray machine, couldn't afford/find/train skilled workers, etc.

      Like building feature-complete hospitals in developing nations, this project is a **total** waste of resources. Sure, they can feel good "sticking it to the man" that can't reach them, but when the feel-good moments are over, the net contribution is zero.

      Grow a pair and do something for others that puts your skin on the line.

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    11. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Call it silver-backing, that will be a smashing buzzword.

      Hmmm... "silver-backed backups" or simply "silver backups" actually would be a pretty cool name for the "process" described by this quote attributed to Linus Torvalds: "Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it."

    12. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, is mirroring a tradmark of Dell, Inc now?

    13. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by severoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well...I think perhaps you guys aren't respecting the full range of personalities out there. These tools aren't necessarily for everyone, I'm sure. They're for the Chinese citizens that: (a) feel they should be free to engage information as they like and/or (b) have information to share with the outside world that the Chinese govt may not want shared and (c) are willing to take the personal risk to engage their vision of the way things should be.

      One of the things that I have found in my travels to China is that they do not regard their govt the same way we do (I'm assuming the parent and GP poster are Americans, b/c I'm American, and that's what we do :-) ). Chinese do not identify their country with their govt, they're two separate things. In the US, because our govt is supposed to have been founded on (and with the aegis to protect) the principles of the social contract of our country, we do not make a distinction. The Chinese attitude is, the country's been there long before this regime and will be there long after.

      In the meantime, here are some tools to stir the pot a little. So what's wrong with that?

      I will say this, though. It's not enough to have the tools. You also have to have the know-how to hide them properly. I suggest storing all of these apps on an encrypted partition. (I wonder if the Chinese govt blocks linux sites.)

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    14. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Grow a pair and do something for others that puts your skin on the line.

      Why don't you do something at all, rather than whining on Slashdot?

    15. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Philip+Shaw · · Score: 1

      According to Google, there was malware in part of the site, hosted by ndl.com.tw. Google Safe Browsing for that domain says that they host malware found on 9 sites.

      The malware report for tibet.com was made yesterday (2008/08/03), and was the only report in 90 days.

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    16. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I suspect it has less to do with freedom and more to do with the Olympics.

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    17. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our internet liberating overlords... that is of course if our Chinese internet blocking overlords don't kill me or imprison me first... asklmndklasksamffklxc.... help... ldsfjdspkg

    18. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man... I'm patenting this right now! $$$

    19. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by fmrbastien · · Score: 1

      Thus are you really like in these movies from hollywood? I thought that Americans in the real life made the difference between the government and the country.

      I do not identify my country with my govt (I live in Belgium and I hope you'll never confuse these clowns with my country) and I think it's the same in a lot of countries in the world.

      Now let's see the situation. Is the Chineese govt more restrictive on (digital) rights, or are our gvts more efficient to hide us the truth?

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    20. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by dave562 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure the point of the story is to get the reporters and other people who are visiting China for the olympics to download the software BEFORE they get to China.

    21. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by dave562 · · Score: 1
      Grow a pair and do something for others that puts your skin on the line.

      Like post on /. about how the efforts of others are worthless?

      There's an old Chinese proverb that is mostly applicable to this situation. "The person who says it can't be done should get out of the way of the person doing it."

    22. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Sporkus · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting we let silverbacks host our files?

      Smashing, indeed.

    23. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by pxlmusic · · Score: 1

      how does one evade that? /dumb

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    24. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by mrogers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the things that I have found in my travels to China is that they do not regard their govt the same way we do (I'm assuming the parent and GP poster are Americans, b/c I'm American, and that's what we do :-) ). Chinese do not identify their country with their govt, they're two separate things.

      I'm intrigued to hear that, because I'd started to form the opposite impression: whereas Americans consider it patriotic to criticise their government (attacking the government == defending the people), Chinese seem to consider it unpatriotic (attacking the government == attacking the people). But I've never been to China - perhaps the crucial difference is whether the criticism comes from inside or outside the country?

      I must admit I find it hard not to get defensive about my country's actions, even when I disagree with them, if I feel I'm being blamed. If Chinese people feel the same way then maybe it's more productive to focus on tools that help them organise resistance within their own country, than on tools that help them access Western media (with the implication that they should aspire to be more like the West)?

    25. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I know, it isn't their website that is the tool. The tool is the software which you can get from their website. Yes, their website can be blocked like any other website, but if you can get their software, which is a really small file size, and use that on your computer at work, you can access anything you want.

    26. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      More simply put, getting past censorship when they are monitoring you connection is really a pretty silly thing to do. Censorship denies you knowledge, flouting it on monitored systems in autocracies can deny your life.

      With modern tech, outside influences have to do more to support those trapped by autocratic systems and you certainly are not going to free people in forced labour when you purchase goods produced by that labour.

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    27. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I wonder if the Chinese govt blocks linux sites.)

      You are right about that. They do block tldp.org and a lot others, even gutenberg.org. This truely is a government which doesn't like its subjects learn any technologies or literature.

    28. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by severoon · · Score: 1

      Thus are you really like in these movies from hollywood? I thought that Americans in the real life made the difference between the government and the country.

      Most Americans see the government as a defining feature of our country—a fundamental change to the way our government operates would, in the mind of most US citizens, myself included, essentially be a different place.

      This makes sense because the US govt was established at the same time (or you could even argue before) the country itself. The path taken by the development of our nation has been guided each step of the way by our foundational principles. This doesn't mean that there's no room for evolution—it's obvious from the Constitution that the Founding Fathers defined only a framework into which the government-in-practice could grow. But I think a strong argument could be made that this country is inextricably linked with the history of its government much moreso than most other nations on the planet.

      Please don't take the short view of what I'm saying though. I'm talking about the fundamentals here, the principles laid out in the Constitution, etc. I'm not referring to the news of the day or particular deviations of a particular administration, whether it's Lincoln suspending habeus corpus, the Nixon Watergate scandal, or GWB and the Patriot Act. I'm talking about the Bill of Rights, the three branches, checks and balances, etc.

      Conflating other govts with the nations themselves is an attitude so ingrained in most Americans they don't even realize they're doing it until they travel abroad. The first time I encountered it I was somewhat shocked by the realization that it's not only possible but commonplace in other parts of the world to separate one's "country" from one's "government". It's an unfortunate truth that most Americans' notion of reasonable foreign policy sprouts from this one flawed premise, simply because many of us can't fathom a government that operates largely independent of what the people want. For us, we don't understand how an Iraqi soldier could fight for Saddam's regime without supporting it...or for that matter, how one could love one's homeland under such a regime. (I admit I don't completely understand the mindset as I type this, even as I acknowledge it as probably my limitation.)

      One of the common slams against the US by citizens of other nations is that it's a "fairly young country," and I'm often surprised when most Americans accept this statement at face value (probably because they're ignorant of the history of other countries, which is sad). In fact, I don't think there are too many runs in history that outlasted the US.

      If we accept the American definition of country for a moment, that a country is inextricably bound up with its government, then you can understand the common American view that we are one of the oldest nations in the world. Even though the names don't change, in our way of thinking, if the government does undergo a sea change, the nation is different. Measured this way, there are very few countries more than 100 years old. China is just approaching 60.

      I don't mean to imply that there's no value in the foreign viewpoint that a country's history, shared culture, etc, is distinct from the current government, but I also think that the foreign viewpoint does avoid taking a certain amount of civic responsibility at the same time. To pretend that you as a citizen can (tacit though it may be) assent to the rule of a dictator and not suffer consequences is misguided at best (as any modern day citizen of Iraq will tell you). Am I saying the US is not partly responsible for the poor state of affairs over there? No, of course not. Nor do I believe the Iraqi citizenry should be completely absolved of its responsibility as the governed, either.

      I think there's great value in exploring why we have lasted so long and been so successful...it would make an interesting meter stick to measure our forward progress, and if people becam

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    29. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by severoon · · Score: 1

      One of the things that I have found in my travels to China is that they do not regard their govt the same way we do (I'm assuming the parent and GP poster are Americans, b/c I'm American, and that's what we do :-) ). Chinese do not identify their country with their govt, they're two separate things.

      I'm intrigued to hear that, because I'd started to form the opposite impression: whereas Americans consider it patriotic to criticise their government (attacking the government == defending the people), Chinese seem to consider it unpatriotic (attacking the government == attacking the people). But I've never been to China - perhaps the crucial difference is whether the criticism comes from inside or outside the country?

      Yes, I've perceived this too...but I think the source of the Chinese attitude is one of embarrassment, and also being miffed at the person they're talking to. It's bad form to point out something that a Chinese person should be ashamed about and make a big deal over it, particularly in Asian cultures. So it's a natural (though not a particularly sophisticated) response to get defensive and take up the mantle of a position you don't really believe in. But most often, when I've discussed these issues with Chinese people, they normally try to shift the focus of the discussion off of China and on to America (or some other non-political issue altogether). Which Americans are usually all too happy to do, because we don't necessarily feel embarrassed by the actions of our govt when we don't disagree with them.

      It's a very interesting cultural dynamic. And I've found that the more educated the participants in the discussion, the more likely one or both of them will step outside the roles I've defined above.

      I must admit I find it hard not to get defensive about my country's actions, even when I disagree with them, if I feel I'm being blamed. If Chinese people feel the same way then maybe it's more productive to focus on tools that help them organise resistance within their own country, than on tools that help them access Western media (with the implication that they should aspire to be more like the West)?

      I think that when you say you find it hard not to get defensive, you are speaking on a whole different order of magnitude than a citizen of China. I mean, the Chinese govt has done some truly inane and obscene things in the name of progress, law, and order. And there's also another element—whereas Americans are typically uninformed, citizens of other countries are often actively misinformed. It doesn't take long in a discussion about the One China policy to realize that Chinese people have been inculcated quite strongly that allowing parts of "China" to go their own separate ways will damage the country severely (and here I speak of the foreign concept of country, distinct from govt, that citizens are typically very proud of).

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    30. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by fmrbastien · · Score: 1

      It seems very strange to me. I'm happy to discover your culture. It is a pitty that my english is too poor to question you a little bit more, while it is good enough to understand your response.

      By reading more and more news (and comment) on slashdot I discover things I've never suspected before.

      thanks!

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    31. Re:Like they won't just block the site? by severoon · · Score: 1

      Yea...just don't confuse government with the Bush Administration above. The actions of a particular administration are not what I'm referring to when I use the term...

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  2. consequences by tritonman · · Score: 1

    I predict a mass beheading coming soon for disobeyings DA GE

  3. missing by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tao Wang to go missing in 5..4..3...

    1. Re:missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always big news when a Wang goes missing.

    2. Re:missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like the penis thefts in africa a few months back?

    3. Re:missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! Parent disappeared before he could finish the countd

    4. Re:missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be replaced by Tao Dong

  4. Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how is this different to using Tor?

  5. western reporters by ebonum · · Score: 5, Informative

    I doubt many western reports will have problems. If you work for a company of any size, the company has a VPN. You log into the company VPN. ( I promise you China does not block them. I live here. ) Once you are logged into your VPN, you surf where ever you want. Plus, it is encrypted - so no spying.

    One problem that is not commonly discussed is what I call the "great American firewall". For better or worse, a lot of western sites block all requests from China. It is really annoying if you want to make a few online purchases and you aren't trying to hack their site. I should start to compile a list of specific examples.

    1. Re:western reporters by jank1887 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      spam'll do that.

      also, the American side is a user driven firewall, not a govt imposed on.

    2. Re:western reporters by dword · · Score: 1

      Your second paragraph also applies to Romania, Russia, Bulgaria and a few other countries. Took me ages to find a site that would allow me, after contacting them via email, to buy flowers on-line for a friend in the US. I currently live in Romania...

    3. Re:western reporters by bschorr · · Score: 1
      I'm a little surprised to hear that you're able to use your VPN because when I was in China last October it wouldn't connect mine. As soon as I got to South Korea my VPN worked fine, though.

      I assumed the Chinese were blocking it; but perhaps they weren't.

      Doesn't really make sense to me that a gov't so paranoid about what people do on the Internet would allow encrypted tunnels outside of their country, though.

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    4. Re:western reporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt many western reports will have problems. If you work for a company of any size, the company has a VPN. You log into the company VPN. ( I promise you China does not block them. I live here. ) Once you are logged into your VPN, you surf where ever you want. Plus, it is encrypted - so no spying.

      One problem that is not commonly discussed is what I call the "great American firewall". For better or worse, a lot of western sites block all requests from China. It is really annoying if you want to make a few online purchases and you aren't trying to hack their site. I should start to compile a list of specific examples.

      I doubt many western reports will have problems. If you work for a company of any size, the company has a VPN. You log into the company VPN. ( I promise you China does not block them. I live here. ) Once you are logged into your VPN, you surf where ever you want. Plus, it is encrypted - so no spying.

      One problem that is not commonly discussed is what I call the "great American firewall". For better or worse, a lot of western sites block all requests from China. It is really annoying if you want to make a few online purchases and you aren't trying to hack their site. I should start to compile a list of specific examples.

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    5. Re:western reporters by NorQue · · Score: 1

      Doesn't really make sense to me that a gov't so paranoid about what people do on the Internet would allow encrypted tunnels outside of their country, though.

      There was a whole Article about how to circumvent the great chinese firewall in the Atlantic recently which also explains why they allow VPNs:

      A VPN, or virtual private network, is a faster, fancier, and more elegant way to achieve the same result. Essentially a VPN creates your own private, encrypted channel that runs alongside the normal Internet. From within China, a VPN connects you with an Internet server somewhere else. You pass your browsing and downloading requests to that American or Finnish or Japanese server, and it finds and sends back what you're looking for. The GFW doesn't stop you, because it can't read the encrypted messages you're sending. Every foreign business operating in China uses such a network. VPNs are freely advertised in China, so individuals can sign up, too. I use one that costs $40 per year. (An expat in China thinks: that's a little over a dime a day. A Chinese factory worker thinks: it's a week's take-home pay. Even for a young academic, it's a couple days' work.)

      As a technical matter, China could crack down on the proxies and VPNs whenever it pleased. Today the policy is: if a message comes through that the surveillance system cannot read because it's encrypted, let's wave it on through! Obviously the system's behavior could be reversed. But everyone I spoke with said that China could simply not afford to crack down that way. "Every bank, every foreign manufacturing company, every retailer, every software vendor needs VPNs to exist," a Chinese professor told me. "They would have to shut down the next day if asked to send their commercial information through the regular Chinese Internet and the Great Firewall."

      (emphasis mine)

  6. Approximately by corychristison · · Score: 1

    The group claims approximately 1 million people in China use its tools to access the Internet

    That's a really small demographic in comparison to the population there...

    Are they being conservative or do they have factual numbers? That seems low to me.

    No I didn't read the article.

  7. Stopping censorship by Scutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It's a very good time remind Western reporters that there are such tools," said Tao Wang

    I don't know. You get a couple hundred (or thousand) reporters getting censored while reporting on a very high-profile event? I think it would do more to call attention to China's policies. They'll talk for months about how hard it was for them to do their jobs and the freedoms they had to live without. If they use these tools, they'll go home afterward and forget all about the fact that they needed them at all.

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    1. Re:Stopping censorship by bugeaterr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Last time I let a Wang tell me what to do I became a father.

    2. Re:Stopping censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      End of thread. Game over.

    3. Re:Stopping censorship by faloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have a good point. Actually, truth be told, a majority of the reporters going over are probably your typical sports reporter. One or two may care enough about journalism to keep writing about the headaches, the rest are going to be enjoying some time in Beijing on the company credit card. But I'm cynical, maybe more would care enough to write about the hassles after the fact.

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  8. Evasion is good by dedazo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That way you won't have to see the cute internet police on your browser every 30 minutes.

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    1. Re:Evasion is good by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Chinese Internet Police or BonziBuddy.. Hmm.. That's a tough call but I'll keep Clippy thanks.

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  9. Once Again, by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 1

    The internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it. Mirrors will pop up, new proxies will be enabled, people with the will can gain the knowledge they need to circumvent blockage.

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  10. You can't stop the signal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't stop that which is a reality in life.

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    1. Re:You can't stop the signal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Masturbation
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  11. oh boy by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    Hopefully now we can use them to catch China "not censoring the internet" like they finally agreed they would. I'm sure there won't be ANY discrepency between access with and without one of those tools now and no international incidents will happen[/sarcasm]

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  12. Why circumvent? by cavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that the major news outlet will play nice during the Olympics, reporting only State-approved news and events. However, when the Olympics are over and everyone goes home (free from the clutches of the Chinese government and their censorship), then the real reporting on China whill begin.

    Working around the censors will be the quickest way to be detained in China for a long time.

    1. Re:Why circumvent? by boyfaceddog · · Score: 1

      Not if the reporters ever want to go BACK to China, they won't.

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    2. Re:Why circumvent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think that? Do you think major media conglomerates -- multinationals if you're looking for inflamatory words -- are at all concerned with censorship, or, really, anything that doesn't contribute to selling ads?

  13. it is good these tools are developed by ezh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    soon they will be needed here, in the western world, where instead of stopping you they just slow you down when you go in 'unwanted' direction. does not look there is too much difference to me. they do it for political reasons, we do it for business reasons. either way, people are restricted.

  14. Here we go again... by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I predict insightful moderated posts about how people are going to be executed or "disappeared" for downloading some software, by people who have never left their own country before.

    Yes there are many technical ways of circumventing the Chinese firewall or any other net censorship. The real issue here is that the vast majority won't use them because they can't be bothered, leading to widespread ignorance about issues that really need to be addressed.

    The reason censorship works so well is because people are generally lazy, regardless of country or race and don't go hunting for information that isn't spoon fed to them.

    So to summarize, the definition of success when it comes to censorship isn't that they stopped 100% of information getting though, but that they stopped it a little, combined with a disproportionate amount of easily digested propaganda leading to an impenetrable wall of ignorance that no little circumvention tools are going to help.

    1. Re:Here we go again... by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 1

      Its the ol' truth mixed with lies thing, and you are very right, it works too good. "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - MIB

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    2. Re:Here we go again... by tor528 · · Score: 1

      leading to a great wall of ignorance that no little circumvention tools are going to help.

      Fixed that for you!

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    3. Re:Here we go again... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean, like the lazy masses that like to get their information/propaganda spoonfed to them without even noticing how their right to say (and even to listen to) what they want is eroding away, that make up the vast majority in other countries, too?

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    4. Re:Here we go again... by NuclearBovineBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've met some nontechnical (not at all CS, use Windows, though use computers for a living) 20- and 30-somethings in China -- they all know how to get around the Great Firewall, or at least know somebody who knows how to get around it. It's not something they worry much about, as long as they aren't generating politically sensitive content themselves. I haven't met any of the latter people.

    5. Re:Here we go again... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I hear Fox news is quite popular here in the US.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    6. Re:Here we go again... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nah, the rights are still there. It's just the corrupt media that abuses its position. The Western media is fully aware that it can influence elections and policy just by the choice of which stories it covers and which stories get ignored (Obama's Communist mentor would be the latest example). Living in China and viewing the officially censored media year after year gives you a real feel for what it's really like living with censorship. Then, you look at the US media, and they censor themselves as well, just with different objectives. In China, it's to maintain social cohesion at all costs, and promote the government as good guys who try really hard but sometimes fail. In America, the media is uncontrolled by the government, but nontheless its objective is societal engineering and the manipulation of elections. You should see the effect that running positive news about the country has on people...Chinese people think that China is doing all right. With the constant drumbeat of bad news about America, no wonder some Americans are down on their country. They even say things like "lazy masses" without even realizing that they have the opportunity to start their own media and say what they want freely. Here, forget it. You need to find a license and a censor to publish anything, and both of those are pretty darned hard to find.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    7. Re:Here we go again... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, to sum it up, in China, politics dictate the news stories, in the US, news outlets dictate the politics.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  15. Chinese Population by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are 1,313,973,713 people in the PRC.
    20.8% (male 145,461,833; female 128,445,739) are 14 years old or younger.
    71.4% (male 482,439,115; female 455,960,489) are between 15 and 64 years old.
    7.7% (male 48,562,635; female 53,103,902) are over 65 years old.

    The population growth rate for 2006 is 0.59%.

    The PRC officially recognizes 56 distinct ethnic groups, the largest of which are the Han Chinese, who constitute about 91.9% of the total population.
    Large ethnic minorities include the Zhuang (16 million), Manchu (10 million), Hui (9 million), Miao (8 million), Uyghur (7 million), Yi (7 million), Tujia (5.75 million), Mongols (5 million), Tibetans (5 million), Buyei (3 million), and Koreans (2 million).

    In the past decade, China's cities expanded at an average rate of 10% annually. The country's urbanization rate increased from 17.4% to 41.8% between 1978 and 2005, a scale unprecedented in human history. 80 to 120 million migrant workers work part-time in the major cities and return home to the countryside periodically with their earnings. Today, the People's Republic of China has dozens of major cities with one million or more long-term residents, including the three global cities of Beijing, Hong Kong, and Shanghai.

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  16. Can we use them to circumwent out own censorship? by muuh-gnu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Severe punishment of people who freely share information bites (1) which are deemed a threat to the functioning of the system (2) by the ruling classes is not only happening in China, you know...

    So when is the Global Internet Freedom Consortium (GIFC) going to offer tools to circumwent our own capitalistic censorship machine? Or do they count censorship as such only if somebody else does it?

    (1) aka "files"
    (2) aka "intellectual property"

  17. Carrier pigeons to be shot by LM741N · · Score: 2, Funny

    The IOC and the ISPCA are very worried about the Chinese government's plan to shoot down all pigeons as a means to prevent illegal communication to the outside word via carrier birds. Said Li Chung, a government representative- "We thought of putting a giant net over the whole province, but it would just enhance the perception of mass pollution in the area."

    1. Re:Carrier pigeons to be shot by faloi · · Score: 1

      You didn't really think all the bird culling was because of Avian Influenza, did you?

      --
      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
    2. Re:Carrier pigeons to be shot by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Said Li Chung, a government representative

      He's just an underling carrying out orders. His boss' name is Fow Kew.

      --
      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    3. Re:Carrier pigeons to be shot by LeafOnTheWind · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know you were joking but in the Cultural Revolution of Communist China there was the Great Sparrow Campaign

  18. You can always provide tools for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can always provide tools for people to break the law. P2P to get pirated software, weapons to kill people, drugs, etc. I don't think that makes it legal. If they have rules and regulations, most likely, when you break them, someone will come after you.

    Not that they don't deserve to have access to everything, but it's their regulation and should be somehow respected as the rules and regulations of other countries. The US has a drug policy that the Netherlands would find intolerant, that doesn't give them any rights of providing tools to the people in the US to easily have access to drugs while in the US.

    1. Re:You can always provide tools for... by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that they don't deserve to have access to everything, but it's their regulation and should be somehow respected as the rules and regulations of other countries. The US has a drug policy that the Netherlands would find intolerant, that doesn't give them any rights of providing tools to the people in the US to easily have access to drugs while in the US

      Why not? Especially considering that our drug laws may well be unconstitutional, meaning the law is illegal. They had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw alcohol, why did they not have to amend it to outlaw other drugs?

      Whether or not drug laws are constitutional, someone in the Netherlands is not under US law. It might be illegal for me to recieve tools to obtain drugs from someone in the Netherlands, but it would NOT be illegal fro him to provide them. He has every right to supply me with anything his country's laws allow, and I have every right to subvert Chinese law.

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      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    2. Re:You can always provide tools for... by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      ...from the outside. If you are inside and you try to subvert their laws, citizen or not, you're going to the pokey.

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  19. Will you be caught though? by derekw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The big question is will you be caught circumventing the censorship.

    From what I understand, it's not that hard to break through the censorship. But will you leave any tracks behind--however small--for the government to see? That's the big question.

    If you just want to read one NYT article, go ahead and chances are nothing would happen to you. But if you plan on doing this day in day out, from your home connection, then a few months down the road you may get a knock on your door in the middle of the night.

    1. Re:Will you be caught though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt they'll bother to actually knock.

      (hmm... Ironically enough my captcha is "sadists"!!)

    2. Re:Will you be caught though? by derekw · · Score: 1

      Put another way, I don't think the Chinese government's goal was to build a bullet proof censorship wall. Their goal was to be able to keep a record of who is breaking it and how often they do that.

      From a user's point, you know you have the means to do it, but do you dare to do it?

      Let's say you have been breaking it to read NYT for a week now and you get no special phone calls or letters from the government and you don't notice anyone following you on the street, do you think it's fine then? Is your name already on their watch list? Do you dare to continue doing this? How often do you do this, how often is too often for the Chinese government? You don't really know, no one knows. The first time you find out might be too late already.

    3. Re:Will you be caught though? by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 1

      Highly unlikely, they don't really care that much if you read a few external websites and get around their firewall
      if however you start a blog and start inciting dissent, badmouthing the chinese govt... then they may have something to say to you.

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  20. How do these compare to TOR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious if anyone knows advantages / disadvantages of the products in this story as compared to TOR.

  21. possible malware in download by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hello,

    My antivirus software said the "GIFC Anti-Censorship Tools Bundle" download from the Global Internet Freedom Consortium contained "probably a variant of Win32/Delf trojan."

    I am not sure if this is a false positive alarm or a bona-fide infection, but you may want to exercise some caution before installing the software on your computer.

    Regards,

    Aryeh Goretsky

    --
    Dexter is a good dog.
    1. Re:possible malware in download by dword · · Score: 1

      Probably false positive :)
      Most antiviruses complain about any form of proxy software.

    2. Re:possible malware in download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A more extensive examination of the files:

      A-Squared: Found nothing
      AntiVir: Found nothing
      ArcaVir: Found Trojan.Delf.Cwo
      Avast: Found Win32:Delf-KDM, Win32:Delf-IHC
      AVG Antivirus: Found SHeur.BAKQ
      BitDefender: Found nothing
      ClamAV: Found nothing
      CPsecure: Found nothing
      Dr.Web: Found Trojan.Proxy.origin
      F-Prot Antivirus: Found W32/Backdoor2.GRA, W32/Trojan2.ASYO
      F-Secure Anti-Virus: Found nothing
      Fortinet: Found nothing
      Ikarus: Found Virus.Win32.Agent.JOI, Backdoor.Delf.hqi, Backdoor.Delf.cwo
      Kaspersky Anti-Virus: Found nothing
      NOD32: Found nothing
      Norman Virus Control:Found nothing
      Panda Antivirus: Found nothing
      Sophos Antivirus: Found Mal/Emogen-N
      VirusBuster: Found nothing
      VBA32: Found Trojan.Proxy, Embedded.Backdoor.Win32.Delf.cwo (probable variant)

    3. Re:possible malware in download by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hello,

      I just heard back from the anti-virus vendor. They confirmed it was a false positive and fixed it in the next signature update.

      Regards,

      Aryeh Goretsky

      --
      Dexter is a good dog.
  22. Not a complete list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides failing to mention TOR, which is a great program to lock up your router if your running it as a node, they fail to mention Psiphon which I run on a file server here at home.

    The very best thing about it, is that it requires NO software to be downloaded on the client side. The service acts as an encrypted proxy that is accessed with a web address and a login/password that you supply to the user.

  23. ob Red Dawn by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

    A million screamin chinamen use these tools to access the internet?

    "Last I heard, there were a billion screamin chinamen."

    (Pours coffee in fire.)

    "There were!"

  24. Company VPN or SSH (or RDC?) by tecker · · Score: 1

    I have a feeling that if companies are really worried about their people getting blocked they will simply setup a spare computer in their offices and then use that as a VPN or SSH server.

    Does china block RDC connections? This would be the best way I think. Just RDC over a SSH tunnel. This would allow you to actually operate a computer stateside and not behind their firewall. Plus you would not have sensitive files floating around.

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  25. Introduction to Chinaâ(TM)s Laogai by not_hylas(+) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Introduction to China's Laogai:

    Up to 30,000 "Internet Police" monitoring your every move.

    "The Laogai institution known as laodong jiaoyang --- commonly abbreviated as
    "Laojiao" - also serves as a tool for the Chinese Communist Party in its constant efforts to silence critics and punish political criminals without having to bother with investigations and legal proceedings."

    "There is an end to Laogai, but Jiuye (forced job placement) is forever"

          " In 1979 and 1980, many jiuye renyuan or âforced-job-placement-personnel" who had completed their sentences but were still forced to labor within the Laogai camps under a policy that denied their release, were finally allowed to return to their homes. Previous to this change in practice, upwards of 90 percent of all Laogai and Laojiao prisoners remained in detention indefinitely under this Jiuye policy even after they had completed their sentences.

    "There used to be a saying in the labor camps: "There is an end to Laogai, but Jiuye is forever.""

    Laogai:

    http://www.laogai.org/hdbook/hb_intro.htm

    http://www.laogai.org/news/index.php

    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=280233-6

    Think "Soviet Gulag".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

    Can't happen here?

    Ex Machina:

    https://tagmeme.com/exmachina/a/002450.html

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    ~hylas
  26. OT- your sig by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    The "four boxes in defense of liberty" are from a short story by Robert Hienlien. I don't know who Ed Howdershelt is, but I would disagree and put "ballot" before "soap".

    --
    mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    1. Re:OT- your sig by Philip+Shaw · · Score: 1

      Since you only get to use the ballot box every n years, whereas you can use the soapbox straight away, the order seems correct to me. Furthermore, your ballot is secret in most places with any liberty to defend, and to get people to vote along with you, you need to use the soapbox first.

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      "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."- Winston Churchill
    2. Re:OT- your sig by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

      I have never seen the quote attributed to RAH.

      And I have read (and enjoyed) much of his work.

      Do you know what story that would be from?

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      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order- Ed Howdershelt Via Tass
    3. Re:OT- your sig by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      No, it's been a long time since I read the story; I remember the four bopxes, and that internal combustion engines were outlawed. I'll go through my old Heinlein books tonight and see if I can find it.

      --
      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    4. Re:OT- your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he said 'Hienlien'. A very little known Chinese writer who wrote 'The moon is a tough cookie with skirts on' and 'Thursday' and 'The gate towards autumn'.

    5. Re:OT- your sig by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

      No, he said 'Hienlien'. A very little known Chinese writer who wrote 'The moon is a tough cookie with skirts on' and 'Thursday' and 'The gate towards autumn'.

      Ah yes, but none of those are as good as his signature work "Friend on a Friendly Ocean".

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      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order- Ed Howdershelt Via Tass
  27. Has anyone used JAP? by junner518 · · Score: 2, Informative

    JAP is a free java based anonymizer. It runs as a sort of "proxy" as in you route your internet traffic through a localhost port, but it sends out your data through two or more "mixes" which anonymize your connection. It successfully masks your IP, your location, and most importantly your identity. Its relatively fast for the obvious latency problems that are bound to happen.
    JAP

  28. Re:Can we use them to circumwent out own censorshi by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It's actually more accurate than you may think. The US economy system is actually dependent on IP. If there is no censorship of IP being distributed freely, the system will not hold much longer. Censorship of freely distributed information is actually more in support of the so called free world than it is for China.

    China is currently experiencing a huge economic growth. And a lot of people benefit from it. As you might know, from experience or history, most people put privacy and personal freedom secondary behind physical wellbeing and wealth. So it is actually not unlikely that people don't give a rat's behind about how the ruling elite keeps their power, as long as there's economic progress and a gain in personal wealth.

    The US otoh have a huge economy problem when IP laws get ignored by large portions of the planet. IP revenue, from patents to copyright, make up a serious portion of their international trade. With widespread outsourcing, IP laws are the only thing that allows US companies to generate revenue from having others produce their goods abroad. With IP rights, content companies can cash in on the use of their content. If IP laws can be ignored, the US economy will suffer much more heavily than the Chinese government would from "radical" ideas entering the country.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  29. Legal by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    Is it legal, in China, to use such tools, or any other tool to circumvent the Great Firewall?

  30. Bypassing censorship? by ADRenalyn · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that I will be able to see through the pixelation of the "naughty bits" on yuvutu.com?

  31. Hand Fed Reporters won't know Sh|t by Republican+Gun · · Score: 1

    'it's a very good time remind Western reporters that there are such tools.'" Too bad the reporters only know what is hand fed to them.

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    Eviscerate the Proletariat!
  32. Re:western reporters. Mod as Interesting by mpapet · · Score: 1

    I for one would be very interested in that list.

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  33. Mod Parent Interesting by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Well said.

    I posted a similar thought earlier only it used more words. Yours is better.

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  34. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans are ready to be "revolutionary" when it is about fucking up another country. When it gets to doing something about the fascism radiating from their own country they suck Bush balls.

  35. This thing blocks P*rn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UltraSurf blocks P*rn!

    That's worse than the China's Goverment.

    Bastards.

  36. At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With this kind of blatant State censorship, at least people know they are being censored. People in the west are in some ways not so fortunate.

    Czech dissident writer Zdenek Urbanek once said...

    In one respect, we are luckier than you in the free west, because we have learnt to read between the lines, and you believe you have no need; but you do.

    George Orwell recognized that western media operates on self-censorship way back in the 40s. He wrote a preface to Animal farm all about it, but the preface itself was censored and never published. Amongst other things, he said...

    The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary. ... [Things are] kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that 'it wouldn't do' to mention that particular fact

    For example, if you read the BBC online, you probably know that Hugo Chavez shook the Spanish King's hand recently after their previous spat. Hardly Earth shattering news. Yet you probably won't be aware that Colombian President Alavaro Uribe is under investigation for possible involvement in the planning of a massacre by right wing paramilitaries. The general trend is that bad stories about allies are either ignored or only reported in passing, whereas those about official enemies such as Chavez are accentuated and repeated ad infinitum.

    Anyone interested in censorship in the western media should read "Manufacturing Consent" by Hermann and Chomsky, or watch the documentary on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wksCW3ooJ5A

    1. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 1

      With this kind of blatant State censorship, at least people know they are being censored.

      I wouldn't be so sure. The main-things they are censoring are hardcore-pornography, kiddie-porn and 'risks to social stability'.

      Guess which one is important. And guess what people will grow to think of it when it's always grouped with kiddie-porn. It's kinda like trying to sell a car with Hitler posing on the hood. It's not subtle, but people still wont buy the car.

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    2. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by steelfood · · Score: 1

      The most effective way to control over people is to make them think their are in control of themselves.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    3. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      For example, if you read the BBC online, you probably know that Hugo Chavez shook the Spanish King's hand recently after their previous spat. Hardly Earth shattering news. Yet you probably won't be aware that Colombian President Alavaro Uribe is under investigation for possible involvement in the planning of a massacre by right wing paramilitaries. The general trend is that bad stories about allies are either ignored or only reported in passing, whereas those about official enemies such as Chavez are accentuated and repeated ad infinitum.

      The key is to stop these companies while they're still starting up. If you let them grow, it will be much harder to stop them, because they'll gain enough money to powerfully drive their political agendas (censorship regimes.)

    4. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ruling elite (not meant pejoratively) does not care about the rule of the masses, and the masses just want short term pleasure. Don't expect democracy to be utopian, it is just the despotism v 2.0

    5. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On self censorship of reporting on China,there is actually a âoeReporter Guidelines for Covering the Beijing Olympics." ""found at the back of a sofa in the FCC (Foreign Correspondents Club) common room in Hong Kong."

      Reporter Guidelines for Covering the Beijing Olympics.

      1) On arrival, set the scene by saying a few nice things about the infrastructureâ"the high rises and the multilane highways, the interchanges. Developmenty sort of stuff. 2) Make an amusing, self-deprecating comment about your inability to speak or read the funny language they have in China. Play down the fact that you are dependent on a translator for quotes and newspaper reading. Never admit in print to getting story ideas or borrowing quotes from the China Daily. 3) Get story ideas and borrow quotes from the China Daily. Make sure you do this discreetly. For background only. 4) Now for reportage. After saying the nice things about the new buildings, get your translator to find a Beijing yam seller whose slum was knocked down to make way for the Olympic badminton hall. Do a few paras on him, and how all the money thrown at the Games is not helping the poor, and how terrible the huge income gap is. Make sure you write at least three times as much about the yam seller whose slum was pulled down as you do about all the new apartments, new metro lines, the growth in car ownership, the expanding health insurance and all the other good news about China that nobody in the west really wants to know about. 5) Say how horrible the air in Beijing is, even if it isnâ(TM)t on the days you are there. Everybody says Beijing air is horrible, so play along. 6) The political bit. Interview a token party member, but reword him subtly to make it sound like he is just spouting the party line. Bend the translatorâ(TM)s words to fitâ"itâ(TM)ll be rubbish English anyway. (Ditto in all quote treatment). Then find a good Chinese, one who is fluent in English, has lived in America or Britain, and is prodemocracy. Give them lots of space, let them sing. Martin Lee types, but preferably younger and female, for the mugshot. If you can get an interview with the Olympic artist, Ai-whatsisname, who is an anti-Commie quote machine, give him full throttle. Hopefully, he hasnâ(TM)t been arrested yet.

      Lastly, please remember: Chinese who love their country are called âoenationalists.â Never use this word for Americans, French, Tibetans and other civilized peoples who love their country or territory. When demonstrators protest over Tibet they are acting in a heartfelt, spontaneous way, waving pretty flags you would be happy to see woven into your grannyâ(TM)s bedspread. When Chinese counter-demonstrate, they are always âoebussed in,â the mood is âoeuglyâ, and they are draped in intimidating red flags that can be made to look a bit Hitler Jugend-ish with the right kind of photo. (They probably did arrive in buses as this is the cheapest way of moving numbers of not-very-well-off people around, but you donâ(TM)t need to prove the insinuation that the regime laid on the vehicles). Beijing is always a âoeregime,â by the way, and is not to be confused with western âoegovernments.â (But: Hong Kong is an exception. Because it was under benign, enlightened British dictatorship for a long time, it cannot be a âoeregime.â âoeRegimeâ only applies to dictatorships in rubbish countries).
      Thatâ(TM)s about it. Donâ(TM)t be deceived by all that friendly smiling and optimism, thatâ(TM)s just a front. Itâ(TM)s your job, with your long days of experience of the Far East and your fluency in a language spoken by nearly 0.005% of the locals, to get under the radar and ferret out the truth. Did I mention how bad the air in Beijing is?â

    6. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by shadowofwind · · Score: 1

      For example, if you read the BBC online, you probably know that Hugo Chavez shook the Spanish King's hand recently after their previous spat. Hardly Earth shattering news. Yet you probably won't be aware that Colombian President Alavaro Uribe is under investigation for possible involvement in the planning of a massacre by right wing paramilitaries. The general trend is that bad stories about allies are either ignored or only reported in passing, whereas those about official enemies such as Chavez are accentuated and repeated ad infinitum.

      Funny, I knew about the Uribe investigation, but not about the Chavez hand shaking thing. And I've noticed almost the opposite pattern you describe.

      At least we can agree that the picture conveyed through the press is pretty dubious. Every time I have had first-hand information about an event, then read about it in the newspaper, the newspaper account has been fantastically screwed up.

    7. Re:At least Chinese Censorship is Obvious by MrSteveSD · · Score: 1

      Can you remember the source you got the Uribe story from?

  37. If if smells like product placement... by slymole · · Score: 1

    ..it's because it is; Slashdot's editorial standards must be at an all time low. Censorship & monitoring evasion tools abound, both in the proprietary & open source world, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense to use open source solutions, especially if you're worried about ending up in prison for speaking your mind.

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    "We don't stop playing games because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing games.."
  38. Tool aren't enough by rtechie · · Score: 1

    The tools will help Western journalist reporting from Beijing, but they really won't do all that much for Chinese dissidents that are under state surveillance and face the constant threat of imprisonment, torture, and death.

    The West needs to start cracking down the the Chinese, starting with the media. You want our money? Then mainland Chinese must have uncensored access to Western media. Media is the US' major export, buy blocking and stealing Western media the Chinese are furthering the trade imbalance and it should no longer be tolerated.

  39. We should remind reporters ... by bhmit1 · · Score: 1

    ... that they are guests while in China, and should obey Chinese laws while there. They should also try to behave like proper representatives of their respective country, just as the (mostly non-political) athletes are doing.

    I'm a fan of freedom, but before we run around and tell every other country how to do it, we should make sure we aren't hypocrites in the process. Whether that's Guantanamo, DC gun laws, seizing laptops by customs, illegal wire taps, a limited immigration policy that creates the illegal immigrant demand, etc, we have lots of examples of not practicing what we preach. Before we go around telling China everything they are doing wrong, perhaps we should offer automatic citizenship for anyone that wants to leave their "oppressive government" for the US?

  40. not a bad idea, except... by iveygman · · Score: 1

    Now that the Chinese censors can catch wind of this, can't they just take preventative countermeasures against this thing?

  41. Or... by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    'it's a very good time remind Western reporters that there are such tools.'

    As opposed to telling China's oppressive regime to go pound sand, we're not sending our athletes to China you miserable fucks!?

  42. Re:Can we use them to circumwent out own censorshi by Microlith · · Score: 1

    Waaaaaaaaaaaah large corporations that put up the money to produce (movies|music|tv shows|games|etc.) get angry when we violate their copyright! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah they're suing me, call the Hague!

    Go create your own fucking files. You don't -have- to share their works, and if you don't then they have ZERO leg to stand on.

    Or you can continue to cry like a baby.

  43. Open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of the software on that website is open source.
    It might as well be backdoored.

    Better use open source stuff such as Tor.
    * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

    1. Re:Open source by Sb1 · · Score: 1

      Use Tor and/or I2P. I2P's new website is http://www.i2p2.de/index this is also open source. I used it off and on for a couple years. I haven't for 9 months or so, but did clean install recently and planning on using it again. I just have to find another Firefox proxy instead of SwitchProxy since it interferes with my saved sessions in Tab Mix Plus's (use a lot). In response to GIFC's tools being infected. Use www.VirusTotal.com and scan it with them, they use many Anti-Virus vendors (I think that's what that anonymous user posted) and if Kaspersky and NOD32 don't show any problems then chances are it's safe.

  44. Death on wheels by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    A million criminals?? Phew... I'm sure they're piling on the miles on their execution vans.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HG21Ad01.html

    Scumbags run our country, scumbags run their country.

  45. Additional information by weiqj · · Score: 0

    As a Chinese I don't like the information control by Chinese government. But nothing is worse than mind manipulation. That Tao Wang is working for a Chinese cult group Falun Gong. So this project is back by a special interest group with strong political agenda. http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2008/8/3/99490.html

  46. I thought he was spot on... by BlatantRipoff · · Score: 1

    ...when he said, "Western reporters are such tools," but then I realized I had misread.

  47. They don't provide a Chinese page by pythonist · · Score: 1

    I clicked on the Simplified Chinese icon on the top right of the page but it's still English displayed.

    I'm wondering what are their targeted users.

  48. The USA has 'free info availability' ? NOT QUITE! by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    I visited this GIFC site. Noted that there is no way to contact anyone there! (freedom ??) .. and its statements seem to be written by some right-wingers who believe in some 'sanctity' of 'freedom of information' in these United States of America Now, WERE there such 'freedom' , tell me this: Why did we need the "Freedom of Information Act" ? and having it, why must citizens jump thru hoops to get information about government behaviours??? And when you've answered THAT one ... show me how our U.S. Customs agents can confiscate any computer or storage device, at any border, and retain it for any length of time for any reason, all without court 'interference' ??? Freedoms? That is not what i'd call it.

    --
    "There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
  49. what is wrong with tor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just use tor if people all over the rest of the world use it to stop people from spying on them, then why would it be any different for China?

  50. Illegal to use these tools in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember, it is illegal to use these tools if you are in China. Use of these tools can have serious legal consequences for the user.

    1. Re:Illegal to use these tools in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But people don't think about Consequences till its too late.

  51. Re:The USA has 'free info availability' ? NOT QUIT by mrogers · · Score: 1

    I visited this GIFC site. Noted that there is no way to contact anyone there! (freedom ??) .. and its statements seem to be written by some right-wingers who believe in some 'sanctity' of 'freedom of information' in these United States of America

    According to its Deputy Director, Shiyu Zhou, GIFC is "a small team of dedicated volunteers, connected through their common practice of Falun Gong, who have come together to work for the cause of Internet freedom." GIFC recently asked the US Senate for $50 million in funding to continue its work.

    Please note that I'm not posting this information to discredit GIFC - I agree with what they're doing (see my homepage), but I think we should pay attention to why they're doing it and who's paying the bills.

  52. dhhss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dhhss.net does the same thing... phproxy is all you need pritty much i mean really doesnt matter

  53. Tried it in China by drjuggler · · Score: 1

    Sho' nuff-- I'm in Shanghai right now and I can't access the website. Could someone mail me a CD? And deliver it by swallow, I don't think my carrier pigeons are getting through.

  54. In Soviet China... by dn15 · · Score: 1

    In Soviet China, free tools censor you.

  55. UltraSurf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always recommended to my friends in China and Saudi Arabia to use this, and they say it works like a charm.

  56. Freedom, freedom, freedom by jandersen · · Score: 1

    I am getting a little bit tired of the word 'freedom' - or at least the way it is being thrown around here on /. as if everyone knew exactly what it means. Can't you see it is nothing but a buzzword? Something that people throw in to make whichever nonsense they peddle smell sweetp; from "freedom fries" and "Operation Iraqi Freedom" to the idea that circumventing a firewall in order to access pornographic websites is somehow "freedom".

    How about respecting the concept of freedom a little? If freedom matters so much to you, at least learn what it means and learn that in a universe where there are physical laws, there is no such thing as absolute freedom. Hell, there isn't even a universal 'optimal' freedom - what one person thinks of as freedom may be another person's slavery. Take yourself as an example - you are probably American, right? So you feel you have freedom, because you can air whichever opinion you like, as loudly and as stupidly as you care; on the other hand, you probably can't go to work and earn money without owning a car and perhaps you have made yourself dependent on a lot of technological stuff, that you feel you can't live without. To me that looks rather like you are not all that free. Yeah, you can stand on a street corner and yell, bless you.

    True freedom is in your mind - if you are free in your mind, you let others live like they choose, whether they like to be ruled by an Imam and Shia laws or whether they prefer Communism. You can't force freedom on people, just like you can't force them to have 'good taste'.

  57. Re:The USA has 'free info availability' ? NOT QUIT by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the reply .. and for the info you provided me .. I didnt know it was a chinese-initiated group .. and the Falon Gong has enough problems to also have its whereabouts known! My main point was to address the U.S.A.'s 'On a high-horse' attitude ... Not to criticize GIFC. We here in the USA ought to do more to open our own citizens' eyes to the degrees to which we've come up short vis-a-vis our own alleged 'freedoms'

    --
    "There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
  58. Re:The USA has 'free info availability' ? NOT QUIT by mrogers · · Score: 1

    I completely agree - given the recent actions of the US government with regard to internet freedom it's not only hypocritical of them to criticise the Chinese government, it might also be counterproductive, since Chinese people can see the hypocrisy and may be tempted to defend their own government. On the other hand I think it's important for groups outside the government in both countries to keep up the criticism and show that the real distinction isn't between America and China, but between freedom and control.

  59. Re:The USA has 'free info availability' ? NOT QUIT by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    agreed !

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    "There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"