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IPhone 2.0 Jailbroke
dch24 was one of many who noted that the iPhone 2.0 software has already been unlocked writes "If you were wondering how I was doing push email tests on iPhone OS 2.0 and Vodafone UK, this is the reason why. The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team have been working on this non-stop since the early days of beta testing. In fact, I had iPhone OS 2.0 running on my iPhone since last week. That was version 5A345, two below 5A347, but identical in functionality."
Still no word on an iPhone 3G crack.
Don't jailreak me bro! Less properietary goodness for her pleasure.
Please run the story when there is a way to confirm it.
While the application development environment was locked, it made sense to play this cat-and-mouse game of jailbreaking phones to get at 3rd part apps. Now that Apple has created a rich ecosystem of free and fairly priced applications, I've lost all interest in the process. I happily scrubbed my phone and went with a clean build of 1.2.
Of course, there are a different set of motivations behind carrier unlocking.
Before and during the first iPhone release the coverage and interest was crazy. Now the iPhone interest seems to almost completely fallen off the radar. About the only coverage has been of the outrageous pricing plans in various countries and huge problems activating the phones.
Apple didn't meet the publicly stated sales targets with the first iPhone and it was assumed that everyone was waiting for the features in the 2nd gen. But that obviously isn't the case.
I can't see Apple even remotely coming close to their iPod level market domination with the iPhone but much more like their desktop computers - high margin but niche products.
Yes, but heretics get burned at the stake :(
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Clearly you care a little, or you wouldn't have commented.
Anti-populism is cool and all, but you sort of undermined your own point when you felt it necessary to click into this submission just to make the world know that alewar (784204) doesn't care about the iPhone. Great dude.
This is almost as insightful as the guy who told us how Apple jumped the shark because they sold out of iPhone 3Gs before he could get one.
No, you are NOT the only one. I, Anonymous Coward - the most prolific poster on /., also could not care less about an iPhone or iPoddy.
Well, I like my iPod Nano. It wasn't too expensive and works pretty well. I'm not unhappy with it. I don't think it's the best device possible, but unless they made a media player custom designed for me, I don't think I would ever find anything to be perfect. As far as cell phones go, I find the iPhone to be quite expensive, and the fact that it doesn't have buttons just annoys me to no end. There's no reason they couldn't put buttons on the back, or a long row of buttons along the side to facilitate dialing with some tactile feedback, and without having to look at the phone. With my current phone, I can dial my top 8 numbers with holding down a single key for a couple seconds. Can you do this on the iPhone? I think the iPhone is throwing out a lot of phone features, just to bring in other music/video/photo features. To me that's less reason to buy it. I' probably be happier with a phone that's just a phone, and an ipod touch.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
(except iPhones)
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
I'd probably be happier with a phone that's just a phone, and an ipod touch.
That's the system I'm working with. It would be nice to have the gps or some kind of functional location sensing ability in the touch though.
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Yes, but heretics get burned at the stake :(
and vegitarians get burned at the steak.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
is there anything that could possibly improve reception with a iphone that would allow for better reception. out of all the phones I have ever had, the reception on the iphone is horrendous. i get noservice through out the majority of my city and they have swapped my phone out twice. my crackberry use to be able to get reception inside our server room. i can't even get reception inside my building with my iphone.
i have never experience such poor customer service from at&t and apple. i expect it from at&t, but i have lost all confidence in apple. as a person of great purchasing power we were looking at moving our entire desktop infrastructure from dell/linux boxes to apple on our next upgrade cycle, but considering the service i have received from the "genius" bar and customer support that idea has been tabled. i wonder if apple realizes how much business they are losing with their deal with apple. plus the level of condensation of their employees at the store.
It is more expensive to own - regardless of what marketing lies are being put forth
Potentially true, but not absolutely.
First, faster access means potentially more time to be productive. Second, the argument assumes - incorrectly - that I can't get a return on the money I'm not having to pay up-front.
Compared to cheaper and better featured the iPhone is a really crappy phone to use for day to day use. It is more of a thing you show off to other people
I know several people who've switched from Palm phones and Blackberry phones. I've yet to find any who've been disappointed enough to switch back, and that feature set just got a lot more competitive with the App Store.
I assume sites like http://www.cellswapper.com/ etc are totally flooded with people wanting out of their AT&T contracts for their new iPhones. Or is there a site where AT&T contracts like that are actually in demand?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Gotta correct this... The feature set didnt just "get a lot more competitive with the app store." The potential is there for more competition and features.
The app store is full of a lot of terrible applications. Many of them thrown together crudely, like the NYC subway maps apps. The most popular one uses liscensed maps from the NY MTA (Metro Transit Authority). However the maps are just low resolution jpgs that you cant even zoom into and read clearly.
Its a rather poor application and its considered the best of the subway map applications. Thats not really saying much... or is it?
There are a few nice applications, and frankly they are the ones from AOL. The AOL Radio app is incredible, and i hope they keep adding more features and service to it. The AIM app is a welcomed addition considering Apple appears to have no fucking interest at all at bringing ichat over to the iphone. Thats very disappointing. The phone has a texting ui, but cant receive or send photo/video text messages (MMS)
Some other good apps are the facebook and myspace apps. They're actually nicer than their regular website services considering that especially the myspace app, doesnt download all of the shitty banners and crap people leave in comments. Who would have thought that Myspace is actually nice without all of the shitty "artwork" plastered all over it?
The games, what games? Apple's own texas hold'em app is average at best. It reminds me of a game from 1991. Its nice that there is multiplayer but the graphics are ridiculous. And coming from Apple... i would have expected a better ui for the game. Instead it looks like bargain bin software.
Super Monkey Ball is good... not great. It never really was a game worth owning.
Trisms, is a pretty cool game actually. Hard as hell but i think the developer did a nice job with it.
The nice things about the apps that are semi usable, is that when they use the net for data, they're very fast. They dont dl all of the nonsense that the safari browser does. Its nice to just get the dam text and a picture with a news story rather than entire website. I'm speaking about one of the new News apps on the iphone, which is lightning fast at displaying news articles... and has a photo for each story. And this is on an EDGE connection.
In general browsing with Safari on the iphone 1.0 while connected to EDGE is fucking painful. These web enabled apps though seem to do it rather nicely, streamlined and light on bandwidth, which of course means they're fast to load.
There is POTENTIAL with the new app store, and app capability... but i cant say that there is any killer app out there yet, other than AIM.
For the first iPhone all it did was raise Apples sales number marginally which promoted the idea that such a locked platform was profitable. Apple made money even without the carrier kickbacks. I agree at that point it made a little bit of sense because iPhone was not available everywhere, so if one wanted to use it in a unsupported locale, then the crack was good.
But it has gotten a little ridiculous, aside from the challenge aspect which I respect. For one, Apple has felt the need to respond which has made those of us that just want a phone a little more difficult.
At the end of the day all I can say is what I have said before. If it is just a matter a having fun and hacking the phone, that is great, I salute you. But if the phone is such a piece of crap that it no good without a crack, then why buy it? Apple products are good, and a good value, but they are seldom the absolute best on the market. If the phone, as is, is crap, then buy something else. If the phone service at the carrier Apple chose is crap, then buy something else. Apple will only make products better if it will make more people buy their stuff.
And, of course, with the introduction of OpenMoko, no one can complain that an alternative does not exist. Want an open phone that can be played with, reprogrammed, and anything can be run on it. Whoop, there it is. Of course, if no one buys it then it might indicate that people really do not care about openness, or freedom of application development.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for software developers making a buck on their application if it's worth it (see related rant on media from a previous slashdot story).
The question here is... If -I- were to make a *free* French-English dictionary... what are my odds of getting approved as a developer, getting my app approved in the store, and so forth and so on. Keeping in mind that this conflicts with a for-pay product also listed, and of which Apple gets a greater share (as in > $0). I'm sure Apple would allow it, but then there's the case of TomTom (google them) still not being approved for the program, while a competitor (google them also, forgot their name - they're better known in the U.S. I think) is.
The Slash-roots marketing is getting to be a bit much. I have to admit that my personal favourite slashroots efforts are from google and amazon.
By all means: to each their own. While I'm happy with my new iPhone 3G, I'm not trying to evangelize it or convince anyone else that they need one.
However, in my opinion only, the iPhone "favorites" feature is far handier than a single-button speed dial and just as fast. Look at the process:
Normal phone
1) Unlock (*, #, whatever the key is)
2) Hold whichever number corresponds to your contact for 2 seconds
iPhone:
1) Unlock (a quick swipe of the finger, which I find faster than other phone unlocks)
2) Press the phone button (ok, that's an extra step over yours)
3) Press the name of the contact from a list
I find a row of text .75 cm tall by 6 cm wide more intuitive than memorizing a number, but that's just me. ;-)
On the other hand, I still haven't (quite) adjusted to typing yet... but it's almost there, and in that department I'm comparing it to my blackberry, which is very strong for typing.
"I think Apple knows its own roadmaps and plans when stating the goal, compared to an Anonymous Coward who knows nothing."
Are you the "Anonymous Coward who knows nothing" or the other guy? This is so confusing!
BlackBerry:
1) Pull from holster/sleeve
2) Begin typing name of contact
3) Press SEND to dial.
"I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
Well the iPhone has a listing of "Favorite" contacts that I can dial just by tapping their name. It's not quite the same, but it's close enough for me.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.
I know there's a lot of talk about the App Store vs. Installer.app issue, but there's another important part of this as well.
My friend found a SIM-card-less 8GB iPhone in his car a few months ago. He turned it over to authorities, but no one claimed it, so he got it back.
He already had another iPhone (a real one), so he sold this new one to me for $150 (I was planning on buying an 8GB iPod Touch which would've been $300, so I basically saved $150 even though I got a cripped iPhone instead of an iPod Touch).
Problem is, iPhones won't work (on their own) without a SIM card. I had to wipe it and jailbreak it before I could use it. When I heard about the new 2.0 software coming out, I was very excited, but I wasn't 100% confident that I'd ever get to use it. Now that it's been jailbroken, I can!
I don't know if I'm going to use Installer.app, the App Store, or both. I'm just glad I can use the 2.0 software.
What's so great about AIM compared to a site like meebo.com? I'm asking legitimately, because I tried out AIM and just don't see the advantage. Meebo manages to look and perform like a native app, and it supports multiple services to boot. If AIM supported push messaging then that would be a big advantage, but from the reviews it seems that they haven't gotten to that part yet, and the rest of it seems to work basically the same.
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The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team
Code. Wizard. Commandos.
So when is Thinkgeek going to start selling camo-patterned electroluminescent Pong robes ?
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While the application development environment was locked, it made sense to play this cat-and-mouse game of jailbreaking phones to get at 3rd part apps. Now that Apple has created a rich ecosystem of free and fairly priced applications
For one thing, the developer program costs a pretty penny: $1,099 for a MacBook to develop on (the software doesn't work on Windows, Linux, the free BSDs, or PowerPC Mac OS X) and $99 per phone on which you'll be testing. The sign-up form to become a registered iPhone developer appears to require that all developers be associated with a company or organization; it appears to make no provision for individuals. And what's this required "country code" field next to the phone number? And has the program expanded outside the United States yet?
In the case of iPhone/iPod Touch, the only way to add functionality without voiding the warranty is through the manufacturer's approved method -- the same applies to your car.
In which country? In the United States, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act established that third-party accessories added to a car or other consumer product don't void the product's warranty unless the product's maker can prove that the accessory damaged the product.
Why do you care so much about 'jailbreaking' a $600 phone from a supplier who violates the GPL and refuses to allow open development on its platform?
Is there any way to buy the iPhone2 without a plan?
Demostrating that I already have a 2 yr plan with AT&T so they dont sign me up? (using the details from my company provided phone, when I actually want the iPhone2 for personal use on another carrier once jailbroken?)
any way at all to get one without a plan? I heard talk of $699 and i'd be happy to pay that without the plan..... but not sure if they actually do it.
Anyone?
but you should see how long it takes to copy a 17-megabyte file on the iphone...
The question here is... If -I- were to make a *free* French-English dictionary... what are my odds of getting approved as a developer, getting my app approved in the store, and so forth and so on.
Apple is not stopping any competition from apps, or there wouldn't be the category collision (for things like voice recording and to-do managers) that we have seen.
Furthermore it *used* to be difficult (or not exactly difficult,, just very random) to get approved as a developer. From what I have seen on development forums though, Apple is hastening acceptance and people seem to be getting in really quickly now. Wait a week for the backlog to subside and you should get in even faster (though it couldn't hurt to apply now, and you don't have to pay the $99 until they accept you).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
For one thing, the developer program costs a pretty penny: $1,099 for a MacBook
As noted, Any Intel mac - including Mac Mini, look for an old one on eBay.
The sign-up form to become a registered iPhone developer appears to require that all developers be associated with a company or organization
Nope, I'm signed up as a company but I have a friend registered as an individual. In either case there are certain banking requirements (not sure if I can be specific about them so I'll leave that vague) if you want to distribute non-free applications, that essentially mean you will probably need an account with a larger bank. There are no banking requirements of course if you just want to do free applications.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Why would you want out? You can just transfer into the iPhone using your existing account (which will also re-up the period to two years).
Now T-Mobile contracts...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
At the end of the day all I can say is what I have said before. If it is just a matter a having fun and hacking the phone, that is great, I salute you. But if the phone is such a piece of crap that it no good without a crack, then why buy it?
But that's the point. It's not.
If you want to rebuild a car, are you going to choose a frame from a Gremlin or a Rambler?
In the end the reason to go through the effort to extend the iPhone is done because it's simply an awesome base to build from. All the jailbreaking does is let you leverage the frameworks that Apple has made, to the fullest extent. If those frameworks were poor you'd have a point but they are not, they are well designed, easy to program against and really provide a good UI when assembled into an application.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"Am I the only one... ...who doesn't give a shit about the iphone or any other products from apple?"
You picked a funny thread to ask that. Sorta like going into a packed theater to see Episode III and shouting "Am I the only one that doesn't give a shit about Star Wars?"
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The plastic back on the new iPhone is to improve reception.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Thank you.
Nope, I'm signed up as a company but I have a friend registered as an individual.
If one can still sign up as an individual, then the Apple Developer Connection sign-up forms do not make that apparent. What did your friend put in for Company and Country Code on the sign-up form? Or should I take this up directly with Apple?
The gauntness is probably a direct result of the cancer treatment. Here's a simple article explaining the procedure, and it's aftereffects.
Though I'm not worried about Jobs passing away any time soon, I would feel better if there was "another Steve Jobs" who could replace him. Tech companies almost always suffer when their original founders leave, and Apple nearly went bankrupt without Jobs once before
Steve isn't an engineer, or a programmer, and I can't even say I'd want to be his friend, but hell - the guy built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar from scratch. The tech industry needs a lot more Steve Jobs-type leaders, and a lot fewer company-hopping CEOs that only care about their stock portfolios.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Die and Rise, just like any good God !!
Jobs' appearance at the latest WWDC shocked a number of people as he appeared thin and gaunt as if he was suffering from some kind of ailment.
fixed it for you
Don't call me back. Give me a call back. Bye. So yeah. But bye our, well, but alright we are on a shirt this chill.
Meebo is a great web app. It really is, i've been using it on the iphone because it was truly a good web app. The difference is simply speed. The AIM app is a native app so it doesnt require loading safari, and that is a huge bonus. AIM doesnt run in the background, and neither does Meebo, but from what i understand, the AIM app works with the AIM server to save unreceived messages. So from what i understand with the AIM app, is that you will not miss IM's when exiting the app. You will get them when you start the app back up. I havent tested this, its what i have read though.
I did a test right away with AIM vs Meebo, cause i like Meebo, i really do... but the simple speed of loading up AIM's native app vs going into safari and loading meebo, is a little bit more streemlined and faster. I know you can make a meebo icon on your iphone desktop, but clicking it essentially is the same as going into safari, and loading the bookmark. Its a slower process.
Meebo will be around for a while... i dont expect it to go anywhere.
Frankly i'm surprised that google didnt provide a native google talk app for the iphone, but i did notice that google talk on the web now works on the iphone and doesnt require flash anymore.
You're quite right.
Also, several of the applications I use multiple times on a daily basis -- MobileScrobbler, Terminal, sshd, AFPd, others -- would not be permitted under Apple's SDK terms.
I am eagerly anticipating the release of an .ipsw cracking tool in the near future.
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Trying to make VOIP calls over EDGE is a REALLY stupid idea. I doubt the latency is good enough even on 3G.
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Meebo manages to look and perform like a native app, and it supports multiple services to boot.
I haven't found this to be the case at all. For me, Meebo has been largely worthless compared to on-phone clients that actually "speak AIM" to the AIM servers. It is much, MUCH slower.
Of course, I eventually abandoned Apollo, MobileChat and AgileMessenger in favor of bsflite, which is lightning-fast, crash-free and very easy to use. It's also CLI.
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http://iphone-gps.blogspot.com/
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TC Phone 1:
1) Start talking
Can anyone give us an ETA on a tool for 2.0 firmware jailbreak? Or at least instructions?
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are vegitarians similar to vegetarians?
Speed is a good point. Meebo is plenty fast once you're in it, but getting into it is not the best. This is especially true since Meebo forces you to click a sign-in button, whereas AIM just remembers who you are. If you're jumping into it a lot, this definitely makes a difference.
As for having the server store messages, I believe AIM is doing this for all clients now. It used to be that if you sent a message to someone who was signed off, the message was lost. A few months ago they switched to a Yahoo-style system where such messages are stored, and then delivered at next sign-in. However, the official AIM client is able to make it look like you're still signed in ever after you quit the app, which helps make it more seamless.
Certainly Meebo still has a place, at least until somebody releases a good multi-network client.
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If this summary is true, why does the topic at irc://irc.osx86.hu/iphone-dev say "2.0 STILL LOCKED DONT UPDATE NO JB FOR 2.0"
Seems to me that those guys are more trustworthy than Giz's advance copy of unreleased software...
I just want to swap my Edge Wireless (now part of AT&T) contract with someone who has phone service that isn't part of AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon. Is there anything like that left?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So, if an iphone requires "jailbreaking" or whatever kind of hipster term you want to use for it, does that make your iphone "jailbait"?
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the salad!
what?
Are you serious?
Let's cover this:
>>1. through the iTunes store (for cash or free).
Clearly it's not that easy. There are only a handful of apps there today. You have to abide by what apple will let you put on the phone/ipod. What if I have a nice SIP app that I want to put on my iphone? Or perhaps I'm clever and I've ported a JRE to the iphone? What are the chances Apple will let me distribute it?
>>2. enterprise distribution on an company's own servers.
This is Apple just being funny. There are no large corporations using Apples or iPhone or iPods in a way you suggest.
>>3. ad-hoc distribution on up to 100 iPhones.
What if I want the whole world to have an app that Apple would prefer does not exist?
I don't see why you think these three conditions helps anyone particularly.
Stop f*cking writing Jailbroke/Jailbreak - F**********CK is that ever annoying to read all the time.
AIM lets you remain signed in even when app is closed, as evidenced in the AIM settings. I believe it uses the background Push feature that was demoed at WWDC, but I haven't tested it out yet.
Scuttlebutt says that it has a Trusted Computing chip to prevent such tampering.
8Gig for $36 au.
All someone has to do is dupe the ipod style mp3 player interface in java, so it can run in ALL phones.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Meebo does have an option to auto log in to remove one of your concerns. How it pops up incoming messages over the screen is far superior to AIMs handling of them as well.
I do not wish any ill will to Steve Jobs. But he still is a scumbag. He treats almost all of his employees like crap. He underpay his engineers - one of the worst paying companies at that level. He is a rude obnoxious bastard. Great ideas, but horrible person. I think Apple will be better off without him.
Horns are really just a broken halo.
In The Netherlands the IPhone was introduced July 11, a day later the following news reported that the 3G was already cracked: http://www.nu.nl/news/1653274/51/iPhone_3G_binnen_een_dag_gekraakt.html The article also reports that July 12 the first cracked 3G's were offered on http://iphonehelpdesk.nl/ and were sold out almost instantly. The site only offered IPhones without a subscription.
I own first gen iPhone but does not upgarade my itunes so I can access apps from appstore because I am happy with 3rd party applications.
My friend bought 3G iPhone and his downloaded pendora application and he observed that he can only listen to the songs while application is running and if he tries to access internet or do something else songs does not play as applications can not run in the background.
this is the biggest turn off...
moreover I heard that aol chat uses sms to send instant messages to and from.. I am not sure whether it is correct or not but if that is the case then that is just mean...
Does that option exist on the iPhone version of the site? I have a "Remember Me" button which is, to be sure, extremely handy, but I still have to hit "Sign On". I can't find any other options on the iPhone version of the site.
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I'm a 3rd party iPhone developer; and you're completely right.
However: You need to give us some time before anything amazing appears. The iPhone SDK only came out of beta 3 days ago. The best apps haven't been finished yet. Most of the apps in the Apple Store are still internally considered beta; they've just launched anyway to be first-to-market.
Be patient. Great things are afoot.
'No publisher will ever pay you enough to successfully sue them' - Dave Sim
I'm sure the THEORETICAL numbers are available somewhere. Practically, the statistics are going to vary widely and almost certainly be much worse in every case. Cellular companies underbuild their networks as a matter of course.
Don't be an asshole, junior. I used to work for AT&T Local Services; I know what I'm talking about.
http://developer.att.com/developer/index.jsp?page=toolsTechDetail&id=7600078
600ms on EDGE and an average of 150ms on HSPA? Please. Watch what happens when the network sees ANY kind of serious usage.
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Even if we assume that you are right about the premise that Jobs is a "scumbag" (and we'll just have to take your word for it - most of us don't know him as well as you seem to), your logic is flawed. Why would Apple be better off without him? Just because he's a "horrible person"? That makes no sense.
Sorry to upset your fanboihood. Apple is in a very good place - Jobs has done a great job getting the company back on track. He zealous/cutthroat/scumbag nature was for the good of the company. It's not needed anymore. Any of his lieutenants can take the helm and sail the ship from here.
Horns are really just a broken halo.
Well, you managed to insult me, but you still haven't answered my question. Why do you think Jobs is not needed anymore?
Again, I'm sorry to insult your fanboihood. Steve Jobs does not treat his employees with enough respect and pay. I also believe he is a poor spokesperson for the new non-fanatic consumer-centric population that is being attracted to the brand. Steve's attitude is also harming his ability to partner with content organizations (ie: losing NBC). He also made a very bad call w/ ATT, IMO (very poor 3g network). Apple is getting a too big for Steve to handle.
PS: Sorry if I insulted you earlier.
PPS: Fuck you.
Horns are really just a broken halo.
hello everyone i have an iphone
i messed up because i had it hack verstion 1.1.4
and now i download 1.2.0 or as many know it as 2.0
well i my iphone works everything but the thing is it only works with a contract wich i dont have i have gophone cheaper nd everything for me
but the thing is if anyone that does have a contract iphone 8gb if they have it hacked or not but running vertion 1.1.4 if they would like to trade or sumthing please mail me information or if anyone knows how to hack the new version please mail me my myspace www.myspace.com/ebher_verdadero_mexicano
there it is so if anyone can help please mail me
oo and i almost forgot it must be in souther california cuz i dont drive any further.....
so again if anyone can help me please
I find it amusing that you keep on telling me that I'm a "fanboi" while ranting on and on about how evil Jobs is. I think I'm not the fanboy here.
I really don't know if Jobs is evil, and even if he was, you continue to fail to explain why you think he's a bad man, or how his being evil hurt Apple. Isn't NBC back on iTunes? Even if they aren't, I fail to see how this hurts Apple, the iPod isn't losing any market share; it's just NBC which makes less money. And Apple seems to be doing just fine with AT&T.
PPS: Fuck you.
I see. Now that calling me a fanboy did not help you win the argument, you must resort to more heavy-handed attempts. I'm not sure why you think this helps your point; it just makes you look like the mindless fanboy.
Have a nice day!
NBC did not renew their content agreement with Apple back in August 07. NBC moved to Hulu and other methods of distribution. Even Colbert/John Stewart, (big vid sellers for apple) while still selling on iTunes, also offer free version of their show on comedy centrals website. In this poor economy, Apples focus on the consumer space will seriously hurting it in the upcoming months - regardless of the iPod market share - iPod sales are expected to peak or decline (most likely why iPod sales figures for q208 are not reported yet) ..
In come the iPhone - it's critical for Apples continued growth. It's so close to competing with the blackberry, that I think a more business-friendly leader would be better suited to guide Apple for a time.
Apple is doing great things - Jobs has done good resuscitating Apple these past many years. I think more business savvy leadership is necessary to sustain the growth. Consumer spending is going to be a problem for the next couple of years.
Horns are really just a broken halo.
NBC did not renew their content agreement with Apple back in August 07. NBC moved to Hulu and other methods of distribution. Even Colbert/John Stewart, (big vid sellers for apple) while still selling on iTunes, also offer free version of their show on comedy centrals website.
Yes, but that is missing the point of iTunes: Apple isn't making a whole lot of money (if any) selling TV series on iTunes. They're making money selling hardware with high margins, and they're using iTunes to sell said hardware, namely iPods and iPhones.
Not having NBC on iTunes hurts Apple as far as it removes one incentive of owning an iPod - watching NBC shows on it - but in the grand scale of things, it can't have cost them too many iPod sales, especially since no other MP3 player can play these shows.
In this poor economy, Apples focus on the consumer space will seriously hurting it in the upcoming months
But what would be the alternative for Apple? They can't hold their own in the enterprise market because the enterprise market requires low-margin boxes and an expensive support structure; Apple has neither.
Historically, the consumer space is the only space Apple was successfull.
As for the poor economy, how this affects Apple remains to be seen. They produce reasonably cheap luxury goods; a poor economy could possibly even help them as people try to assert their wealth via things they can still afford.
regardless of the iPod market share - iPod sales are expected to peak or decline (most likely why iPod sales figures for q208 are not reported yet)
iPod sales have been expected to decline for some years now; it hasn't yet happened. It will happen eventually, but I think Apple anticipated this, hence the iPhone.
In come the iPhone - it's critical for Apples continued growth. It's so close to competing with the blackberry, that I think a more business-friendly leader would be better suited to guide Apple for a time.
I don't think Apple has a business market outside of niche markets (such as video production or the print industry) and the CEO's cell phone.
Apple is doing great things - Jobs has done good resuscitating Apple these past many years. I think more business savvy leadership is necessary to sustain the growth. Consumer spending is going to be a problem for the next couple of years.
Not having any insight into Apple's inner workings, I would guess Jobs' influence is mainly in product development. People like Oppenheimer, Schiller, Johnson and Cook are leading the business side, and I think they're quite business savvy.
Perhaps they should have more influence in product design; but perhaps the business market is simply not a market in which Apple can sustain itself.
That is amusing. Somebody is modding all of my comments outside of this /. article as "Troll". Reading your latest comment and your Journal, you don't seem to be that kind of guy, but to the person who is doing it: If you are reading this, classy move, man! I laughed so hard when I saw this that I nearly fell out my chair. Well done!
Not me, I have been on vacation away from my computer. I did note that Steve Jobs announced that he was clear of cancer and Apple stock went up 3% right away (read it in a newspaper). Reading this made me think fondly of you. Money talks, I might be wrong about dear Steve.
Horns are really just a broken halo.
OTOH, analysts and investors aren't exactly the most rational of human beings :-)
Can't win with you. Argh! I can't wait til I get more mod points....
Horns are really just a broken halo.