And they only have to lock it down if it's 'Designed for Windows 8'
Everything will be "Designed for Windows 8" if it runs Windows.
and if it's ARM, if they don't put on that Windows 8 sticker then they don't have to do anything.
And Microsoft also doesn't have to sell them licenses they can put on devices that don't meet the guidelines.
And i'm sure Google will just rest on their laurels and just let Android die.
Google may continue to fight but all MS has to do is hinder and slow it.
if you didn't want Windows 8 you wouldn't buy a device designed for it, unless of course you're an idiot.
Go find me a motherboard or graphics card that don't have the logo. Go on, do it. I doubt you can.
What the hell. Not a few years ago restrictions like this were acknowledged as being bad. Now people can't rush fast enough to defend lock down like this, especially with Microsoft pushing it.
If the Android version doesn't have a (securely) locked bootloader too then yes you will be able to
Well with the prevalence of Microsoft's "solution" they may simply swap Microsoft's keys for their own and install Android.
it is required that the OEMs provide a mechanism to install alternative operating systems.
Except there's no standardization or automation to allowing a user to safely and easily install an OS that isn't already listed in the key storage. Check this writeup once the site is done protesting SOPA/PIPA to see how.
Apple does not sell its OS to 3rd party hardware vendors and dictate how to lock down the device.
nothing is stopping Linux tablets from coming to market, in fact there are lots of them out there now
There are, but how long until MS ramps up the pressure to push Android out of the market via legal and possibly illegal means?
If you buy a 'Designed for Windows 8' device it's no different than buying an iPad with regard to the operating system.
Sure it is. The vendor is being forced by the OS supplier to set the device up in a way that precludes alternatives, and leveraging their monopoly platform to do it.
I doubt there are many people out there who bought an iPad and are complaining that they can't install Linux on it (me included), so why should it be any different for these 'Designed for Windows 8' devices?
Yeah, minorities should ALWAYS be ignored. Only the masses should ever get what they want, everyone else can go fuck themselves. Right?
Yeah, cause there's so many unique ways to lay out a weather widget. Oh, right. Apple exclusively owns any layout they happen to use, and anyone else must use the most inconvenient format and layout they can think of.
It takes a special kind of person to assume they're making blind judgements (like yourself) and not acting with evidence.
how the heck do they know these rocks came from Mars?
Who knows? We could find out, but you've already concluded that they're just making shit up so there's no point to investigating I suppose.
I mean the moon is full of craters, so I assume it's been hit once or twice. And I'm sure a good hit could have sent such debris into long orbits.
Lunar rocks have a very well known composition. I'm sure it's possible to discern between Lunar, Earth, Martian, and non-planetary rocks. But you've got no clue how nor have you looked up any possible means of identifying them so it's all just hokum, right?
This is like me finding a pair of old eye glasses and exclaiming they must have been Ben Franklins since he wore eye glasses.
Is it really? Do you suppose they would do something so stupid, when they could readily be countered?
MeeGo stalled in the water after February 11th, 2011, and just slowed down after that due to Nokia walking away and Intel left in the lurch.
did Nokia correctly to reject MeeGo from the begin and continue develop Maemo 5.0 + Qt as Maemo 6.0 aka Harmattan for N9 and N950 and later just renaming Harmattan officially as MeeGo/Harmattan to get away with Intel deal?
Rather, the N950/N9 was delayed so long that they never had a chance to switch over to MeeGo. They were fully behind the effort that was MeeGo and pushed to get the label on the N9's OS because it had most of the important APIs (mostly Qt.) Then Elop continued to burn the platform.
Tizen supports native applications via C and EFL, and if this brings on the Bada frameworks (which are C++) then it's a pretty sure thing that it'll support native C++ applications. The open question is if the Bada frameworks will become part of the open project or will just be layered on top of Tizen and remain exclusive to Samsung. If not, there will be a minimum of 3 frameworks (2 native c/c++, one interpreted JS) in the Samsung releases and possibly more on derived platforms.
Thus far it's SLP, the Samsung Linux Project, which up until this point has been internal. It's had a tiny bit of exposure as part of LiMo, but LiMo never really had a community aside from their members due to the terribly insular nature of the organization.
We have yet to see what Intel will be bringing to the table aside from money. As to the GP, hell, we need a FIRST device to run Tizen, let alone a second.
Immigration difficulties. That and there's no real tech industry out that way. I'd gladly live in Ibaraki or Chiba though (both of which are much closer to Tokyo.)
I expect that even if they had not, still no one would have died.
Since you so sincerely believe that not to be true, would you mind working up the cumulative dose of radiation over the past year for someone inside the evacuated region near the plant?
First off, show me the Tablet Monopoly that Microsoft Has.
I can't, but I'll show you the desktop monopoly that they're leveraging.
I don't see any reason why an OEM couldn't just release the same tablet with Android preinstalled instead of Windows 8.
They won't for the same reason they rarely, if ever, release PCs without Windows: they don't want to piss Microsoft off by seriously offering other options.
You won't need the feds to step in to stop a windows tablet monopoly from happening, Customer wallet's will do just fine.
And that's why MS is pursuing their lawsuits against distributors of Android: to inflate the costs of Android higher and higher. I'm sure we'll see another round of lawsuits and a per-device royalty fee increase if Microsoft does manage to buy Nokia's patents.
This is no different than Android having a locked bootloader. It will be cracked and people will install other OS'es on it.
Cracked, you mean like all the Motorola devices whose bootloader chain has never actually been cracked? Whereas Microsoft can readily ignore pressure, unlike HTC and ASUS, when people pitch a fit after finding out they locked down their bootloader chain. Not that locking down a platform is good in ANY case as it only serves the vendor, not the user.
You don't need WHQL drivers to run on MS's operating systems
Unless I'm mistaken, the 64-bit OSes will not load unsigned drivers.
there are major security reasons to do this, as well as anticompetative. Nobody outside of MS can honestly say which is the priority reason.
I'm going with the fact that they explicitly disable options and their past history, and go with anticompetitive.
COmpanies can make locked-down and non-locked down variants, depending on their customer bases desires.
And they can sell PCs with and without Windows. Doesn't mean it's likely to happen. And I'm sure Microsoft will tighten the screws to make sure it does not.
On Android, you can just plug it in and enable USB sharing.
Depends, is it a large amount of files? PC-based readers can often go faster due to the CPU dependency on data transfers to these cards, let alone the battery eating power usage clocking the CPU up will do.
but to remove the SD card would be pretty bad, since apps can run from it.
And if you never need to remove it, more power to you. But it stands that it can be pulled out and placed in a PC, and if a user goes and does this and windows offers to format it (and erases all their data) then the vendor will be in a world of hurt.
I've even seen phones where the battery completely covered the card, meaning you'd have to disable your phone in order to pop it out.
I've seen those too. I haven't, however, seen those on most current smartphones. Rather, they're under the battery cover or along the edge somewhere under a cover of some sort.
Please. Many people eject the SD card in their device and plug it into their desktop systems to transfer files. In any case, FAT/exFAT are standard filesystems for SD cards and must be supported to be compliant.
But go ahead and make up whatever world you want to defend your position. It works better when it aligns with reality.
If you can't see how the GPL dominating a market can do harm to groups of people that can't use the GPLed version but needs customisations - then you've not thought hard enough about the problem.
So they can customize them and not distribute it. Or are you interested in locking your customers into a dependency on you?
Think about monopolies and "embrace, extend, extinguish", just performed with software given away gratis with restrictions.
Fucking please. Yet another idiotic implication of the GPL that is not merely utterly false but impossible.
I would hazard to guess that being punished for actually using that vacation time would be a breech of contract.
And what are you going to do, take them to court? It'll cost you more in time and money than you'll get back. That's assuming they didn't add a shiny new "binding arbitration clause" that allows them to force you to take your complaint to an arbiter they choose and have the case decided in their favor, handily.
Not drivers, the custom modifications to the kernel for Android. Drivers for Android devices rarely ever make it upstream, let alone binary blobs the system depends on. Such blobs are almost always linked against Bionic and as a result useless with Xorg and other non-Android bits.
Same kernel but different, well, everything else. Tizen has more in common with MeeGo, Debian, Ubuntu, and what not than Android does with anything else.
That's what Git repos are for, last I checked. And if it's anything like MeeGo, patches don't get accepted into the core platform until they've been accepted upstream.
This is fucking dumb, how can you interact with the whole community when all you have is a bunch of directories?
Apparently by staying quiet and holding on to it even longer until you're ready to ensure that knee-jerk comments are put down as quickly as possible.
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Everything will be "Designed for Windows 8" if it runs Windows.
And Microsoft also doesn't have to sell them licenses they can put on devices that don't meet the guidelines.
Google may continue to fight but all MS has to do is hinder and slow it.
Go find me a motherboard or graphics card that don't have the logo. Go on, do it. I doubt you can.
What the hell. Not a few years ago restrictions like this were acknowledged as being bad. Now people can't rush fast enough to defend lock down like this, especially with Microsoft pushing it.
Have you ever tried to remove a surface-mount SoC? With underfill securing it to the board?
Yeah, good fucking luck with that.
Well with the prevalence of Microsoft's "solution" they may simply swap Microsoft's keys for their own and install Android.
Except there's no standardization or automation to allowing a user to safely and easily install an OS that isn't already listed in the key storage. Check this writeup once the site is done protesting SOPA/PIPA to see how.
Which has precisely nothing to do with the issue being discussed.
Apple does not sell its OS to 3rd party hardware vendors and dictate how to lock down the device.
There are, but how long until MS ramps up the pressure to push Android out of the market via legal and possibly illegal means?
Sure it is. The vendor is being forced by the OS supplier to set the device up in a way that precludes alternatives, and leveraging their monopoly platform to do it.
Yeah, minorities should ALWAYS be ignored. Only the masses should ever get what they want, everyone else can go fuck themselves. Right?
Yeah, cause there's so many unique ways to lay out a weather widget. Oh, right. Apple exclusively owns any layout they happen to use, and anyone else must use the most inconvenient format and layout they can think of.
Because Apple is so unique and innovative
Fucking idiot fanboys.
It takes a special kind of person to assume they're making blind judgements (like yourself) and not acting with evidence.
Who knows? We could find out, but you've already concluded that they're just making shit up so there's no point to investigating I suppose.
Lunar rocks have a very well known composition. I'm sure it's possible to discern between Lunar, Earth, Martian, and non-planetary rocks. But you've got no clue how nor have you looked up any possible means of identifying them so it's all just hokum, right?
Is it really? Do you suppose they would do something so stupid, when they could readily be countered?
My brain hurts now. Thanks.
MeeGo stalled in the water after February 11th, 2011, and just slowed down after that due to Nokia walking away and Intel left in the lurch.
Rather, the N950/N9 was delayed so long that they never had a chance to switch over to MeeGo. They were fully behind the effort that was MeeGo and pushed to get the label on the N9's OS because it had most of the important APIs (mostly Qt.) Then Elop continued to burn the platform.
Tizen supports native applications via C and EFL, and if this brings on the Bada frameworks (which are C++) then it's a pretty sure thing that it'll support native C++ applications. The open question is if the Bada frameworks will become part of the open project or will just be layered on top of Tizen and remain exclusive to Samsung. If not, there will be a minimum of 3 frameworks (2 native c/c++, one interpreted JS) in the Samsung releases and possibly more on derived platforms.
That's what all of this is.
Thus far it's SLP, the Samsung Linux Project, which up until this point has been internal. It's had a tiny bit of exposure as part of LiMo, but LiMo never really had a community aside from their members due to the terribly insular nature of the organization.
We have yet to see what Intel will be bringing to the table aside from money. As to the GP, hell, we need a FIRST device to run Tizen, let alone a second.
Immigration difficulties. That and there's no real tech industry out that way. I'd gladly live in Ibaraki or Chiba though (both of which are much closer to Tokyo.)
I expect that even if they had not, still no one would have died.
Since you so sincerely believe that not to be true, would you mind working up the cumulative dose of radiation over the past year for someone inside the evacuated region near the plant?
I can't, but I'll show you the desktop monopoly that they're leveraging.
They won't for the same reason they rarely, if ever, release PCs without Windows: they don't want to piss Microsoft off by seriously offering other options.
And that's why MS is pursuing their lawsuits against distributors of Android: to inflate the costs of Android higher and higher. I'm sure we'll see another round of lawsuits and a per-device royalty fee increase if Microsoft does manage to buy Nokia's patents.
Cracked, you mean like all the Motorola devices whose bootloader chain has never actually been cracked? Whereas Microsoft can readily ignore pressure, unlike HTC and ASUS, when people pitch a fit after finding out they locked down their bootloader chain. Not that locking down a platform is good in ANY case as it only serves the vendor, not the user.
Unless I'm mistaken, the 64-bit OSes will not load unsigned drivers.
I'm going with the fact that they explicitly disable options and their past history, and go with anticompetitive.
And they can sell PCs with and without Windows. Doesn't mean it's likely to happen. And I'm sure Microsoft will tighten the screws to make sure it does not.
Depends, is it a large amount of files? PC-based readers can often go faster due to the CPU dependency on data transfers to these cards, let alone the battery eating power usage clocking the CPU up will do.
And if you never need to remove it, more power to you. But it stands that it can be pulled out and placed in a PC, and if a user goes and does this and windows offers to format it (and erases all their data) then the vendor will be in a world of hurt.
I've seen those too. I haven't, however, seen those on most current smartphones. Rather, they're under the battery cover or along the edge somewhere under a cover of some sort.
Please. Many people eject the SD card in their device and plug it into their desktop systems to transfer files. In any case, FAT/exFAT are standard filesystems for SD cards and must be supported to be compliant.
But go ahead and make up whatever world you want to defend your position. It works better when it aligns with reality.
So they can customize them and not distribute it. Or are you interested in locking your customers into a dependency on you?
Fucking please. Yet another idiotic implication of the GPL that is not merely utterly false but impossible.
And what are you going to do, take them to court? It'll cost you more in time and money than you'll get back. That's assuming they didn't add a shiny new "binding arbitration clause" that allows them to force you to take your complaint to an arbiter they choose and have the case decided in their favor, handily.
That has to be the most pathetic rationalization I've read all week.
Fighting to get them under Apple control, rather than content industry control.
Or like many ARM things, they are never reverse engineered and rot. And that's assuming they don't go and sign the boot process all the way down.
$25K? Why? These aren't bizzare, incompatible platforms, it's a rather standard Linux platform that makes porting trivial.
Mer will probably shift to a Tizen-compatible base, plus Qt, before long.
Not drivers, the custom modifications to the kernel for Android. Drivers for Android devices rarely ever make it upstream, let alone binary blobs the system depends on. Such blobs are almost always linked against Bionic and as a result useless with Xorg and other non-Android bits.
Just what I can't wait to have, a PC that I can't get any drivers for or put anything but the singular blessed Windows 8 installation it came with on.
Same kernel but different, well, everything else. Tizen has more in common with MeeGo, Debian, Ubuntu, and what not than Android does with anything else.
That's what Git repos are for, last I checked. And if it's anything like MeeGo, patches don't get accepted into the core platform until they've been accepted upstream.
Apparently by staying quiet and holding on to it even longer until you're ready to ensure that knee-jerk comments are put down as quickly as possible.