It's not based on Bada. It's based on SLP, which is a rather standard Linux platform that uses dpkg-deb. Other bits and pieces, minus Qt, will be brought to Tizen by Intel.
I did say "almost." Virtually the rest of the entire platform (Dalvik, Bionic, etc.) are all Google-only and see no use anywhere else. The one area where their system isn't insular, has spent years as a complete fork. Only recently have some changes been pushed upstream, and there are still notable parts not pushed up and meeting well deserved resistance.
Is it to replace the original OS on jailbroken phones?
No. It is an open source, Linux based OS that leverages existing technologies found in the Linux world, such as glibc, Xorg, Enlightenment, Webkit, etc. with a focus on being a vendor-independent mobile OS platform. It is, in many ways, a push back against Google, whose platform is almost entirely insular from the rest of the open source world.
Most of the code itself is currently from SLP, which itself is pulled from many existing open source projects. Intel will be bringing plenty along with it. There's also a lot of stuff not settled on yet.
One provides the cellular network, we provide our own phones by buying them like we do computers at the store.
Fix't that for ya. The company that provides the cellular network should sell to MVNOs that all share a frequency and compete viciously on service and price, while allowing us to stick their SIM in whatever device we deem fit to use.
the EPA is the greatest threat to our economy in our lifetime
I know, if we don't let Job Creators and their Corporations pollute like they did in the prior two centuries, well we're just fucked.
The EPA has dictated that they can only have 2 of their 5 stacks operational at any time.
Can you cite anything related to this, or is this just a dubious anecdote? That said, it is near Los Angeles which has nasty smog problems as it is.
There are at least two other examples in my life of the EPA causing massive problems while not even solving the problem they "discovered" in the first place, so imagine how many other people have evidence of the EPA running amok, causing great harm and no good.
Please? Can you name them?
Man, I'd love to see how quickly we'd end up with even more superfund sites. Well, none actually as no one would be around to declare them, but I'm sure there would be plenty of industries ready and willing to dump untreated toxic waste right into the ground given the chance. That's how costs are kept down!
The reason it's a big deal out there is because they don't have the kind of laws for consumer protection that we do. Someone steals your credit card, and runs up a $30,000 tab, you pay it... or you go to jail. Period. So think about it this way. If someone effectively bombs your life, by taking your credit card, and shoots you with a debt you cannot pay and the ire of a state that takes debt VERY seriously... how is it not an act of terrorism? That's literally destroying someone's life.
So basically, they've figured out how to exploit the lack of consumer protections in Israel and use them against Israeli citizens?
I think the smarter thing here would be to fix the law instead of going "OMG TERRORISM!" But hey, I'm sure the banks love it, just like they probably love the punitive debt laws.
But Nokia lacked direction the with Maemo which got merged with Intel's Moblin to become MeeGo.
They produced the N9, which was "MeeGo compatible" and based on Maemo. It has apparently sold quite well and met with extremely favorable reviews. They had a direction and had to fight to get where they did due to the Symbian camps in the company interfering. Had that problem been solved and Maemo/MeeGo been pushed to the forefront instead of WP7, I doubt that Nokia's ability to compete would have been questioned. Problem is that would take a CEO with a vested interest in Nokia's success and independence and I don't believe Elop ever had that.
"We began working with Cisco in 2003 to help them establish a process for complying with our software licenses, and the initial changes were very promising," explained Brett Smith, licensing compliance engineer at the FSF. "Unfortunately, they never put in the effort that was necessary to finish the process, and now five years later we have still not seen a plan for compliance. As a result, we believe that legal action is the best way to restore the rights we grant to all users of our software."
They worked with Cisco/Linksys for five years prior to the suit. Cisco had ample time and help to comply with the GPL before the FSF filed suit. They then settled when Cisco finally decided to step up and be compliant, I don't believe the FSF sought damages or financial compensation.
The agreement still stands, and since it's LGPL you could fork from the last LGPL version and still use it in commercial projects. Of course, losing corporate support would be crippling to no small extent, which is one reason the Qt people have been working overtime to separate Qt from Nokia as much as they can short of being spun off.
Is there any point in posting an unsubstantiated rumour by someone who has previously claimed that the deal was happening back in May and that Nokia's phone division would be sold by the end of 2011?
Eh, if it happens in the next couple months he's not far off in corporate-acquisition-time. He nailed the forced move of Nokia to Windows Phone back months before it happened and people said the same things about him then.
Nokia is predominantly a phone maker, and I really can't see them wanting to sell the main business of their company to anyone. What would be left of the company?
Nothing, but I suspect that Microsoft is, by far, the party with the most power here. They have a friendly CEO in charge and a pliable board, willing to do as they say. What would be left? A shell of a company, loaded down with restrictions that would bar them from entering the smartphone space and, for spite, from ever using the patents they sell with Linux.
And would Microsoft really want to spend the claimed $19 billion on a division that has yet to prove that anybody wants to buy one of their Windows phones? And Nokia have the connections with the carriers that is required to get the phones into the retail system. Given the way Windows phones haven't really been pushed by the carriers, I would think that they need the sales team at Nokia. Buying the patents and manufacturing plants only solves part of the problem - and that assumes that there is a problem in the first place that requires the purchase.
If they do it, I imagine they could always work out a "discount" of some sort. But most importantly, they have someone who can part the company out to get MS the best deal, rather than having to buy the whole company and all the stuff they don't want (dumbphones, symbian, the N9/Maemo legacy.) Microsoft would probably redouble their efforts to be like Apple, which is why they'd probably also take all the sales teams as well.
Finally, I don't think the other phone companies like HTC, LG, and Samsung would feel happy about Microsoft moving into their territory. This sale would only cause friction with those companies, is an expensive risk, and provides no benefit considering that Nokia are already committed to selling Microsoft's platform now.
If I were going to fling (more) barbs in Microsoft's direction, I expect they'd leverage the patents they have to raise the "price" of Android even further above Windows Phone 7, and constrain the options of other vendors so that they have no choice but to compete directly with MS or pay them a ton of cash.
That was Ubuntu, as I recall, and not necessarily the greater kernel community. I'm sure they'd rather play it safe and have a slightly more power hungry but stable system than risk crashing people's systems because OEMs are incompetent and can't report their shit properly.
No you aren't. You are the product, sold by Netflix/Hulu/Google to the Media Companies who will take your money and use it to demand more bad laws like SOPA.
Most people do not give a good goddamn about having control over the code execution path
And most people do not give a good goddamn about you having freedom of speech. Go ask all the fundie christians, they'd rather you be forced to live how they want you to. Is that a good thing?
Appeals to the masses is BS, and for that alone you should be modbombed.
Providing security for users does not have to be mutually exclusive to giving end-users full control over their property.
There will always be vigorous and enthusiastic communities centered around truly general purpose devices.
Until they're made illegal. Something tells me you didn't listen to the speech. I can totally see a push from Apple, Microsoft, et. al. to ban computers that don't include extensive DRM built in. Hell, the RIAA/MPAA have rammed SOPA this far.
Hell, through Amazon you can rent time on an infinite mountain of general-purpose computing if you're interested.
And I don't believe for a moment they couldn't be forced into placing access restrictions and all sorts of logging to trace every step taken.
Let's face it -- hackers, by which I mean the folks who want to push devices to do things they were neither designed nor intended to do, are a teensy minority in the world of users.
Which is an entirely fucking irrelevant point. Justifying oppression by claiming that too few people will use their freedom is pure, distilled, weapons grade idiocy.
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EFL is there. There's no restriction against native applications.
Maybe for you. Apparently Samsung and Intel disagree.
Toss in Qt and it should work.
It's not based on Bada. It's based on SLP, which is a rather standard Linux platform that uses dpkg-deb. Other bits and pieces, minus Qt, will be brought to Tizen by Intel.
I think Samsung just wants one that isn't owned by Google.
I did say "almost." Virtually the rest of the entire platform (Dalvik, Bionic, etc.) are all Google-only and see no use anywhere else. The one area where their system isn't insular, has spent years as a complete fork. Only recently have some changes been pushed upstream, and there are still notable parts not pushed up and meeting well deserved resistance.
No. It is an open source, Linux based OS that leverages existing technologies found in the Linux world, such as glibc, Xorg, Enlightenment, Webkit, etc. with a focus on being a vendor-independent mobile OS platform. It is, in many ways, a push back against Google, whose platform is almost entirely insular from the rest of the open source world.
I thought it was Motorola that specialized in locking smartphone bootloaders and refused to provide a means to unlock.
Most of the code itself is currently from SLP, which itself is pulled from many existing open source projects. Intel will be bringing plenty along with it. There's also a lot of stuff not settled on yet.
Oh? What meego based device would that have been?
Fix't that for ya. The company that provides the cellular network should sell to MVNOs that all share a frequency and compete viciously on service and price, while allowing us to stick their SIM in whatever device we deem fit to use.
For every handset vendor to do this you would need to break the control carriers have over the handset market.
I know, if we don't let Job Creators and their Corporations pollute like they did in the prior two centuries, well we're just fucked.
Can you cite anything related to this, or is this just a dubious anecdote? That said, it is near Los Angeles which has nasty smog problems as it is.
Please? Can you name them?
Man, I'd love to see how quickly we'd end up with even more superfund sites. Well, none actually as no one would be around to declare them, but I'm sure there would be plenty of industries ready and willing to dump untreated toxic waste right into the ground given the chance. That's how costs are kept down!
So basically, they've figured out how to exploit the lack of consumer protections in Israel and use them against Israeli citizens?
I think the smarter thing here would be to fix the law instead of going "OMG TERRORISM!" But hey, I'm sure the banks love it, just like they probably love the punitive debt laws.
Where did you see it mentioned that the N9 is EOL? Mind you, that's very different from simply not having a real future.
They produced the N9, which was "MeeGo compatible" and based on Maemo. It has apparently sold quite well and met with extremely favorable reviews. They had a direction and had to fight to get where they did due to the Symbian camps in the company interfering. Had that problem been solved and Maemo/MeeGo been pushed to the forefront instead of WP7, I doubt that Nokia's ability to compete would have been questioned. Problem is that would take a CEO with a vested interest in Nokia's success and independence and I don't believe Elop ever had that.
Don't forget this bit:
They worked with Cisco/Linksys for five years prior to the suit. Cisco had ample time and help to comply with the GPL before the FSF filed suit. They then settled when Cisco finally decided to step up and be compliant, I don't believe the FSF sought damages or financial compensation.
So again, how are these similar?
The agreement still stands, and since it's LGPL you could fork from the last LGPL version and still use it in commercial projects. Of course, losing corporate support would be crippling to no small extent, which is one reason the Qt people have been working overtime to separate Qt from Nokia as much as they can short of being spun off.
Eh, if it happens in the next couple months he's not far off in corporate-acquisition-time. He nailed the forced move of Nokia to Windows Phone back months before it happened and people said the same things about him then.
Nothing, but I suspect that Microsoft is, by far, the party with the most power here. They have a friendly CEO in charge and a pliable board, willing to do as they say. What would be left? A shell of a company, loaded down with restrictions that would bar them from entering the smartphone space and, for spite, from ever using the patents they sell with Linux.
If they do it, I imagine they could always work out a "discount" of some sort. But most importantly, they have someone who can part the company out to get MS the best deal, rather than having to buy the whole company and all the stuff they don't want (dumbphones, symbian, the N9/Maemo legacy.) Microsoft would probably redouble their efforts to be like Apple, which is why they'd probably also take all the sales teams as well.
If I were going to fling (more) barbs in Microsoft's direction, I expect they'd leverage the patents they have to raise the "price" of Android even further above Windows Phone 7, and constrain the options of other vendors so that they have no choice but to compete directly with MS or pay them a ton of cash.
Because companies deny everything up until it happens.
That was Ubuntu, as I recall, and not necessarily the greater kernel community. I'm sure they'd rather play it safe and have a slightly more power hungry but stable system than risk crashing people's systems because OEMs are incompetent and can't report their shit properly.
No you aren't. You are the product, sold by Netflix/Hulu/Google to the Media Companies who will take your money and use it to demand more bad laws like SOPA.
There was never a "legit" way to root the phone. There was a way to pay money to do what (most) Android devices let you do out of the gate.
I'm sure Microsoft would happily trade the $500m/yr for the outright elimination of a competitor.
Yup, instead of them having been open from the start. How exciting!
Give IBM the ability to exert control and choose who can and cannot develop, and I'm sure things would change.
And most people do not give a good goddamn about you having freedom of speech. Go ask all the fundie christians, they'd rather you be forced to live how they want you to. Is that a good thing?
Appeals to the masses is BS, and for that alone you should be modbombed.
Providing security for users does not have to be mutually exclusive to giving end-users full control over their property.
Until they're made illegal. Something tells me you didn't listen to the speech. I can totally see a push from Apple, Microsoft, et. al. to ban computers that don't include extensive DRM built in. Hell, the RIAA/MPAA have rammed SOPA this far.
And I don't believe for a moment they couldn't be forced into placing access restrictions and all sorts of logging to trace every step taken.
Which is an entirely fucking irrelevant point. Justifying oppression by claiming that too few people will use their freedom is pure, distilled, weapons grade idiocy.