There are many capabilitis you "forget" to mention. Like this:
You d/l a game that demands admin to install. This app installs its own driver that shields it from you. Very nice copy protection feature and also very functional for a rootkit. All it demands is that you give it permission once and your toast.
Sadly the DRM functions in Vista is more about making the lives of intrusive spyware easier, not harder. This is because Vista has support for drivers untouchable by the users. Microsoft calls it security, i call it rootkits built into the OS. Blizzard and the rest of the pinheads will be using Microsofts DRM to make your computer a real VIP party for everyone byt yourself.
What i think Dvorak says here isnt that Microsoft are really dead as in gone. Rather that Microsofts days as a market leader is over. Microsoft is where IBM, SUN and others have been before, nothing to get upset about.
Well i also work 100% with Linux today and from my point of view Linux is always easier to setup, takes half the time and is much easier and cheaper to maintain. People take for granted that linux is harder to use than Windows and other comercial software.
I think the money are mostly being spent on marketing. Considering how it has worked in the past it has never been about better products, just marketing that could make an eskimo buy a refridgerator.
"Just because the creator benefit from the creation and the consumer, it would be naive to think that the consumer is the king. Without the creators, the king would be living an undeveloped wasteland."
Well, there is this thing called Open Source where the users are its creators. Rest assured that there wouldnt be no wasteland.
Rest assured that much of the media (video, music etc) will be in a bitlock making it impossible to transfer it to Linux or even listening to it. Its the transfering of your own data that will suffer because with Vista its no longer yours to play with if you "buy" it from any of the bigger media corps. You cant even access it with your applications of choice thanks to Vista if the corp se it fit.
Booting wont be a problem, sharing/copying data will. At the bright side, the ability to make a very potent copy protection will make the value of free beer much much bigger. When people will be forced to actually pay for every single app on Windows is when they will understand the just how insanely expensive some apps are.
Its impossible to compete with someone who has precense in almost every network out there without good support for that companies products. The first thing people ask is "will it work with my existing network?" The second is "will i be able to talk to the outside world?". This is regardless if your own product is much better than Microsofts because frankly, there has been plenty of better products out there that has fallen flat on their noses because of lack of support for MS protocols.
About SMB, it was not "innovated" by Microsoft in any way. The thing people want is the alterations that made it incomatible with CIFS wich is the real implementation Microsoft got SMB from.
"Youre so representtive of the idiocy that plagues 49% of the population her in the US and a much higher percentage of the population in the EU."
Yes he is, if idiocy by your terms equals difference of opinion.
"The basic themes of the Association of Useful Idiots of which you belong are as follows-
Bush is the root of all evil and is simultaneously a stupid man incapable of anything worthy while at the same time so brilliantly evil holds sway over all aspects of our lives."
Bush has done very much bad things in his time as president. The list is very long and he has succesfully made public opinion to sway from pro US after the 9/11 to a public disaster. Torturing innocent civilians isnt good for public relations abroad.
"The EU has anything on their agenda remotely resembling fairness other than whats really going on...rampant anti-americanism of which they pursue via litigation against very profitable american corporations since the EU cant influence and American election in spite of their boy George Soros investing millions. FU EU"
The EU is anything but anti-US. Most are big US fanboys and wouldnt let a staged trial pass without making a fuss.
"Microsoft occupies the position just below Bush on the evil scale regardless of the fact that they have made signifigant contributions furthering the cause of IT in spite of what its lame brained and leftist linux loving weasel critics say. Microsoft is evil to them handsdown and its ok for them (Microsoft cirtics) tp push their monopolistic agenda as the alternative, linux."
The only thing Microsoft has really added are salespoeple who could sell refridgerators to Antarctica. Name one technology you think stems from Microsoft or one product they havent copied.
"And then to throw in the USPTO as another one of Bush's evil conspircacies is just STUPID. That is a problem that has been brewing for years and you can blame that on one thing, lawyers."
This i can agree on. Its a stupid mistake done by former administrations also. "If our people patent it first the money and IP stays in the US" Too bad it hurts domestic companies even worse than it hurts companies abroad.
"Face it, your still smarting from 2000 and 2004, even if your a EU'bee. Guess what, get ready for more pain in 2008 and please keep it (idiotic rhetoric) coming, people like you help the cause more than they know!"
The TV is what helps the cause. Hopefully more people will find the internet and see for themselves how incredibly biased the US media really are.
"P.S. The EU has balls...just a little reminder, the countries that make up the EU were the same ones that rolled over for the Nazis with the exception of the UK..the EU is the last place you'll find balls, unless your in Amsterdam of course!"
You should sue your history teacher for malpractice. Germany won because of very good strategies and military supremacy.
The market has expanded thousends of times since the beginning. Microsofts coffins is full to the brim with money. One would expect that software engineering had advanced atleast a tiny bit in the last 20 years, no? Its common that things gets cheaper over time if they are in an open market with competition. Expecially in new markets where much space is avaliable for manufacturing improvements and labour saving working methods.
Software is labour based just as anything else yes. But why then hasnt the price of XP gone down since it has already been recouped and is now just a matter of shipping a CD? They dont rewrite the thing over and over. The only thing they do is fix the things that wore broken at shipment day.
The price of Windows is already artificially high as it is. Compare to hardware prices and Windows should cost about 5-10$ today at most. By baking in more and more functionality Microsoft has been able to not lowering prices. If this business model is shot to pieces they will be forced to lower their prices and thats what this case is about. Fines are just the first step. Ignore them and more destructive punishments go into action.
An EU prosecutor can use the finding of facts just as it can use any other material for proving its case. This has nothing to do with laws, its just evidence. Good evidence in most peoples minds since it stems from a US courtroom and not some random rumour.
Its not a problem if the possesion of the API's do not form a significant barrier. For new companies to enter the market they are quite frankly toast if they dont speak "Microsoftish". Regardless if they are in every way superior, cheaper, more secure they cant enter the market without very good support for Microsofts protocols. The reason others need the recepies for the communications is not to compete with Microsoft on Microsofts protocols, its for being able to enter the market and compete with other better technologies.
Also dont forget Microsoft has abused its monopoly countless times and thats the real issue here. They did a concious choice to just say fsck off to the antitrust laws and got caught.
And how, from the users perspective, is this better than bash? What can i do with this i cant do with *nix today? Are all the various Windows applications and admin tools in some magic way now "shell aware"?
As i understand it this wont work with old apps but only new ones with support built in by the developers. I also assume this shell will have to go through the same process as the *nix shell in weeding out the security holes and bugs. Or do you really assume this is released with zero bugs from day one?
I dont think dotnet is really usable for that kind of applications. The fact that very few if any of Vistas applications is coded in dotnet speaks volumes of what Microsoft thinks of it themselves. Beagle and Tomboy are real memhogs and i suspect IE coded in dotnet would be a really huge and slow beast of a browser. Even bigger than Mozilla and much slower.
The thing in *nix is that most applications support the shell. They are built for piping stuff in any possible way. Are the Windows applications going to be built with the shell in mind or is this going to be yet another cmd.exe where you have to build your own stuff to do what you want instead of like *nix where you just pipe at your hearts content.
I have also a hard time imaging using objects being easier to understand for normal admins and users.
Also, when exactly did the shell stop to suck and begin to be a good feture? The same second Microsoft made their own version?
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My experience with AJAX has been that it performs much better and faster than dotnet/JAVA-VM/Mono.
About user experience nothing stops anyone from making a good nice UI, its not like JAVA/dotnet where the looks are pretty much cast in stone.
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People dont care what lies under that cool app as long as it works and makes things easier and better. Most people would love to just use their computer and stop being their own sysadmin.
The only thing that has held network applications back is bandwidth and price. Now thats not a problem anymore.
Anything thats supposed to replace current DVD/RADIO/VCR needs to be as simple to use as those are today. Windows Media Center just plain sucks to use and has DRM functions that makes it much worse than your DVD with recording capabilities. As long as media centers are a PITA to use and demands a personal admin they will fail miserably. That rules out any form of DRM, something Microsoft and the rest of the idiots fail to understand.
Can you find the users that will use and have any increases in work preformance because of the new features they will also do just as well with email and any simple office suite. The new collaboration tools adds to the complexity without really making stuff easier for the users.
Mark Shuttleworth has done a wonderful job in managing Ubuntu. I have a hard time imaging Oracle not stomping all over and making huge beginner mistakes onto the community. I love the Debian/Ubuntu combination that Mark and his fellow people have put together but i would switch away in a heartbeat if Mark was to be switched for some random PHB.
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Then who will buy Xbox 360 and PS3 and Wii?
Frankly a PC sucks as a gaming platform, Windows or linux are just as bad. I play all my games on consoles because when i play i dont want to work.
You can uninstall the driver and loose anything that this driver in itself has control over. In theory that something could be your whole hard drive.
There are many capabilitis you "forget" to mention. Like this:
You d/l a game that demands admin to install. This app installs its own driver that shields it from you. Very nice copy protection feature and also very functional for a rootkit. All it demands is that you give it permission once and your toast.
Sadly the DRM functions in Vista is more about making the lives of intrusive spyware easier, not harder. This is because Vista has support for drivers untouchable by the users. Microsoft calls it security, i call it rootkits built into the OS. Blizzard and the rest of the pinheads will be using Microsofts DRM to make your computer a real VIP party for everyone byt yourself.
What i think Dvorak says here isnt that Microsoft are really dead as in gone. Rather that Microsofts days as a market leader is over. Microsoft is where IBM, SUN and others have been before, nothing to get upset about.
"Linux is only free if your time is worthless."
Well i also work 100% with Linux today and from my point of view Linux is always easier to setup, takes half the time and is much easier and cheaper to maintain. People take for granted that linux is harder to use than Windows and other comercial software.
I think the money are mostly being spent on marketing. Considering how it has worked in the past it has never been about better products, just marketing that could make an eskimo buy a refridgerator.
"Just because the creator benefit from the creation and the consumer, it would be naive to think that the consumer is the king. Without the creators, the king would be living an undeveloped wasteland."
Well, there is this thing called Open Source where the users are its creators. Rest assured that there wouldnt be no wasteland.
Rest assured that much of the media (video, music etc) will be in a bitlock making it impossible to transfer it to Linux or even listening to it. Its the transfering of your own data that will suffer because with Vista its no longer yours to play with if you "buy" it from any of the bigger media corps. You cant even access it with your applications of choice thanks to Vista if the corp se it fit.
Booting wont be a problem, sharing/copying data will. At the bright side, the ability to make a very potent copy protection will make the value of free beer much much bigger. When people will be forced to actually pay for every single app on Windows is when they will understand the just how insanely expensive some apps are.
Its impossible to compete with someone who has precense in almost every network out there without good support for that companies products. The first thing people ask is "will it work with my existing network?" The second is "will i be able to talk to the outside world?". This is regardless if your own product is much better than Microsofts because frankly, there has been plenty of better products out there that has fallen flat on their noses because of lack of support for MS protocols.
About SMB, it was not "innovated" by Microsoft in any way. The thing people want is the alterations that made it incomatible with CIFS wich is the real implementation Microsoft got SMB from.
"Youre so representtive of the idiocy that plagues 49% of the population her in the US and a much higher percentage of the population in the EU."
Yes he is, if idiocy by your terms equals difference of opinion.
"The basic themes of the Association of Useful Idiots of which you belong are as follows-
Bush is the root of all evil and is simultaneously a stupid man incapable of anything worthy while at the same time so brilliantly evil holds sway over all aspects of our lives."
Bush has done very much bad things in his time as president. The list is very long and he has succesfully made public opinion to sway from pro US after the 9/11 to a public disaster. Torturing innocent civilians isnt good for public relations abroad.
"The EU has anything on their agenda remotely resembling fairness other than whats really going on...rampant anti-americanism of which they pursue via litigation against very profitable american corporations since the EU cant influence and American election in spite of their boy George Soros investing millions. FU EU"
The EU is anything but anti-US. Most are big US fanboys and wouldnt let a staged trial pass without making a fuss.
"Microsoft occupies the position just below Bush on the evil scale regardless of the fact that they have made signifigant contributions furthering the cause of IT in spite of what its lame brained and leftist linux loving weasel critics say. Microsoft is evil to them handsdown and its ok for them (Microsoft cirtics) tp push their monopolistic agenda as the alternative, linux."
The only thing Microsoft has really added are salespoeple who could sell refridgerators to Antarctica. Name one technology you think stems from Microsoft or one product they havent copied.
"And then to throw in the USPTO as another one of Bush's evil conspircacies is just STUPID. That is a problem that has been brewing for years and you can blame that on one thing, lawyers."
This i can agree on. Its a stupid mistake done by former administrations also. "If our people patent it first the money and IP stays in the US" Too bad it hurts domestic companies even worse than it hurts companies abroad.
"Face it, your still smarting from 2000 and 2004, even if your a EU'bee. Guess what, get ready for more pain in 2008 and please keep it (idiotic rhetoric) coming, people like you help the cause more than they know!"
The TV is what helps the cause. Hopefully more people will find the internet and see for themselves how incredibly biased the US media really are.
"P.S. The EU has balls...just a little reminder, the countries that make up the EU were the same ones that rolled over for the Nazis with the exception of the UK..the EU is the last place you'll find balls, unless your in Amsterdam of course!"
You should sue your history teacher for malpractice. Germany won because of very good strategies and military supremacy.
The market has expanded thousends of times since the beginning. Microsofts coffins is full to the brim with money. One would expect that software engineering had advanced atleast a tiny bit in the last 20 years, no? Its common that things gets cheaper over time if they are in an open market with competition. Expecially in new markets where much space is avaliable for manufacturing improvements and labour saving working methods.
Software is labour based just as anything else yes. But why then hasnt the price of XP gone down since it has already been recouped and is now just a matter of shipping a CD? They dont rewrite the thing over and over. The only thing they do is fix the things that wore broken at shipment day.
Have you followed the DOJ trial and the EU trial in any way? This case is crystal clear.
The price of Windows is already artificially high as it is. Compare to hardware prices and Windows should cost about 5-10$ today at most. By baking in more and more functionality Microsoft has been able to not lowering prices. If this business model is shot to pieces they will be forced to lower their prices and thats what this case is about. Fines are just the first step. Ignore them and more destructive punishments go into action.
An EU prosecutor can use the finding of facts just as it can use any other material for proving its case. This has nothing to do with laws, its just evidence. Good evidence in most peoples minds since it stems from a US courtroom and not some random rumour.
Its not a problem if the possesion of the API's do not form a significant barrier. For new companies to enter the market they are quite frankly toast if they dont speak "Microsoftish". Regardless if they are in every way superior, cheaper, more secure they cant enter the market without very good support for Microsofts protocols. The reason others need the recepies for the communications is not to compete with Microsoft on Microsofts protocols, its for being able to enter the market and compete with other better technologies.
Also dont forget Microsoft has abused its monopoly countless times and thats the real issue here. They did a concious choice to just say fsck off to the antitrust laws and got caught.
And how, from the users perspective, is this better than bash? What can i do with this i cant do with *nix today? Are all the various Windows applications and admin tools in some magic way now "shell aware"?
As i understand it this wont work with old apps but only new ones with support built in by the developers. I also assume this shell will have to go through the same process as the *nix shell in weeding out the security holes and bugs. Or do you really assume this is released with zero bugs from day one?
Well sorry about that, im swedish. Please do point out what i spelled wrong or how i should have made up my sentences.
I dont think dotnet is really usable for that kind of applications. The fact that very few if any of Vistas applications is coded in dotnet speaks volumes of what Microsoft thinks of it themselves. Beagle and Tomboy are real memhogs and i suspect IE coded in dotnet would be a really huge and slow beast of a browser. Even bigger than Mozilla and much slower.
The thing in *nix is that most applications support the shell. They are built for piping stuff in any possible way. Are the Windows applications going to be built with the shell in mind or is this going to be yet another cmd.exe where you have to build your own stuff to do what you want instead of like *nix where you just pipe at your hearts content.
I have also a hard time imaging using objects being easier to understand for normal admins and users.
Also, when exactly did the shell stop to suck and begin to be a good feture? The same second Microsoft made their own version?
My experience with AJAX has been that it performs much better and faster than dotnet/JAVA-VM/Mono.
About user experience nothing stops anyone from making a good nice UI, its not like JAVA/dotnet where the looks are pretty much cast in stone.
People dont care what lies under that cool app as long as it works and makes things easier and better. Most people would love to just use their computer and stop being their own sysadmin.
The only thing that has held network applications back is bandwidth and price. Now thats not a problem anymore.
Anything thats supposed to replace current DVD/RADIO/VCR needs to be as simple to use as those are today. Windows Media Center just plain sucks to use and has DRM functions that makes it much worse than your DVD with recording capabilities. As long as media centers are a PITA to use and demands a personal admin they will fail miserably. That rules out any form of DRM, something Microsoft and the rest of the idiots fail to understand.
Can you find the users that will use and have any increases in work preformance because of the new features they will also do just as well with email and any simple office suite. The new collaboration tools adds to the complexity without really making stuff easier for the users.
Mark Shuttleworth has done a wonderful job in managing Ubuntu. I have a hard time imaging Oracle not stomping all over and making huge beginner mistakes onto the community. I love the Debian/Ubuntu combination that Mark and his fellow people have put together but i would switch away in a heartbeat if Mark was to be switched for some random PHB.