I installed from source and when I tried to run all I got was a dialog "Unable to open homerrc" or something like that.
I'm *supposed* to be putting together my girlfriends Valentines day present, when I'm done I'll delve into the source and let you know if I can figure anything else. I'll also hunt down your email address so I don't have to post to/. more than I have to.:)
+1 for the Atlas Shrugged, -1 for the Rush thingie (he really is a Big Fat Idiot) and no points for the dodgeball thing, I mean, who didn't resent dodgeball?
...see them for what they are.... a money grubbing buisness...
Again, here you go with the anti-capitalisim. What, exactly, is wrong with making money?
No offence, and I know you mean well, but you really need to lighten up on the money making thing. Money makes the world go around, and no matter what you want to believe, it's not evil. It's what you do with it that counts.
AOL is not my favorite corporation, but they're doing well, that means they're doing things right for the majority of people who use their service. Yes, you and I know their service sucks, but THEY ARE MAKING MONEY! There's nothing more grand, more worthwile, and more deserving of our respect than profit. Nothing.
Look at it this way: money gives you the ability to affect change in the way you desire. Therefore, if you gain a lot of money you can do what you wish. If in the process you are corrupted by the money then you weren't a person of the convictions you started out with. This isn't a bad thing (unless you fund things to further the "bad things" you are convinced of.) It's merely a barometer of what you really are, and most of us are selfish "bastards".
I'm too drunk now to spout out some sort of disertation , but remember this: you're only as corrupt as you allow yourself to be.
As others have pointed out, you can't run MOL on intel based systems, but you CAN run UAE (Unix (or unstable, depends on who you talk to) Amiga Emulator) and then run a mac emulator on top of that. It's not easy, the legality is questionable and it can be slow, but it does work, I did it a few years ago for kicks.
You'll need the Amiga Forever CD (which comes with fully licenced Amiga OS ROMS and software) and a mac emulator and mac ROMS (they're out there somewhere, and instructions for extracting them (legally) from your old macs are out there too.)
There's some other bits too, like getting the Picasso96 graphics drivers running, but it's not that tough, and if you wanted I could give you a hand if you felt like taking a crack at it. I ran MacOS 7(point something) on UAE under Linux (you can run UAE under windows, too) when I had an AMDk6-2 450 and it ran fine, speedwise.
God, you'd think I was a lisp programmer or something.
A real sys admin would have a test box, preferably a test lab...
A real sysadmin has to deal with budgets, and can't buy jack. A real sysadmin will then play BOFH and utter the phrases: "Oh, I'm sorry, your files were wiped out, that's too bad. Here, hold this cable, Mr. Boss. Oh, well, I guess had I a couple of test boxes I would have known not to plug a Cat 5 patch directly into 110VAC. Sorry."
Ahem. Sorry for the lapse into fantasy, go on about your business.
You're right, people got fucked. But that's their fault.
Ok, so if I lie to you and promise you wonderful things and don't deliver it's your fault, right?
Give me all the money you have in all your bank accounts and I promise I'll triple it in a month and give it back.
As I'm sure you're aware, Redhat != Linux, and kernel.org doesn't care, nor do they have the procedures in place to check, what happens to the Linux kernel source after they release it.
Those people you refer to are real people. People with children, bills and a willingness to hope for a better future. They were offered an opportunity to have a decent paying job if they passed some tests. They are not at fault. Not anymore than senior citizens who were fucked by Publishers Clearing House or Readers Digest.
I used to be arrogant, thinking I was smarter than everyone around me, thinking I was justified in feeling superior because I was demonstratably superior. Reality check: I still had to deal with everyone I had previously dismissed as inferior. I came to grips to the fact that everyone has different strengths.
You, my friend, are displaying arrogance in that you seem to think that these people are at fault because they believe what they were told and they shouldn't have. If that's the case then we should all build ourselves shelters, stock them with Twinkies (ptang, frink frink!) and shoot anyone outside our circles as they approach.
Ultimately, I must disagree. These people are not at fault. These people were promised things that were not delivered. Though some prudence is warrented and, no, people shouldn't jump into things without some investigation, you can't hold them accountable when some company promises something and then bails.
Don't be an oppositionist. I implore you. Have a heart.
We've already been asked by James Hibbits, Company "Visionary", to return said parts. Some of which were drop shipped to LG. They may or may not "pull through this" but the fact remains that we have to return a lot of parts, some of which we have no idea where they are. I hope they do pull through this, though IMO they'd better change their business plan and company name to avoid being blacklisted by the Linux and St. Louis business communities.
This is funny? Really. My company supplies equipment and leases space to Linuxgruven for their classes. Aaron up there has a wife and a child to support. Another person I know from Linuxgruven just moved here from Chicago, staying in a hotel with his family paid for by Linuxgruven. He was looking for a house. What's he gonna do now, move his family into a car? What's so funny about that?
On monday morning 15 people are going to show up at the door to my company expecting to be trained. Will there be anyone from Linuxgruven there to explain what's going on to them? Or are we going to have a riot on our hands? Then there are the afternoon and evening classes....
45 people who paid $2500 (or whatever) for training they're not going to get, expecting to work for a company that just let 100 employees go.... This is funny to you?
On top of all that, as I've stated before Linuxgruven has always paid their bills.... until now. They just ordered 100 machines from us for new offices they were planning to open. Thankfully they haven't been picked up yet, however we have to restock those parts to our vendors. If we're lucky we'll get a low 10% restocking fee. That's a large chunk of un-recoverable change for us to swallow.
Personally, I would love to have one! Just think of all the Pron and l33t warez I could store:)
Oh, get real. Both you and I know that by the time this technology (if it's real) makes it to market a standard OS install (take your pick, it won't matter) will be 5TB, using up half of it right off the bat. I, for one, will not be looking forward to buying Linux Kernel Internals -- 33rd printing, volumes 1-53.
And, in ten years, I'll STILL be on a fucking 56k-when-hell-freezes-over-more-like-26.4 dialup while Suzy N'Syncempeethrees and Sammy Likestoforwardjokes III have blistering Ultra-DSL at 30Gbps. Grrr.
I am not an employee of Linuxgruven, though I work with them closely. My company supplies all the PC's for them and we host training space for them. I agree that it *seems* strange, but their model works, and from the people I've talked to nobody has been misled into believing they're going to get a job if they merely *take* the classes, it's understood that they've got to pass.
As an aside, please see my/. ID. I'm an old-timer. I don't spend a lot of time reading or posting to the comments anymore because of all the crap you have to wade through.
Anyway, all I can say (as I said when this came up on Kuro5hin months ago) is: they pay their bills on time. And they're big bills. They're making money somehow other than tuition in order to do that.
FWIW: The sequential ID's bother me alot, and I find it hard to believe that there's no other Linuxgruven employee who has had a/. account before today...
"...no one from the DOS demoscene ever releases source code!"
As an aside, most demos "back in the day" were written in assembly language, it was sort of a given that you'd have access to a disassembler and be able to reverse engineer algorithims, if that was your thing. That's how I learned pretty much everything about coding on my Amiga (well, that and the rom manuals...)
Wow, that brings back a lot of memories of DOS/Amiga demoscene flamewars:
"Yeah, DOS demos can be good, if you have
an Orchid and a Soundblaster, but the hardware's
standard on an Amiga!"
When I first heard about the Cuecat device I must admit
I was impressed. I wanted one and, hey, it's free!
Imagine my dismay when on the same *day* I picked up
a Cuecat from Radio Shack your company and it's lawyers
decided to issue a cease-and-desist letter to the author
of one of the few peices of cuecat decoding software
for my choice of operating system. I am not pleased.
As I'm sure you're aware, the Sega vs. Accolade case
(among others) solidified the legality of the reverse
engineering of technology for the purposes of
interopability. You cannot use an unenforceable licence
to stifle it, nor can your bullying tactics dam the flood
of Free Software Cuecat decoders.
The way I see it you have two choices. 1) Continue your
fruitless bullying efforts and alienate the entire
Free Software and Open Source community (incedently,
said communities are composed of very, very influental
personalities.) 2) Embrace the Free Software and
Open Source communities and work *WITH* the authors
designing Cuecat software (and possibly *gasp* contribute
*code* to their projects...) and reap the benefits of
an expanded user base.
The choice is yours, though the only reason I can
imagine you not opting for choice 2 is that you're
doing something unspeakable in the guts of your
C.R.Q. software.
I myself an am influential person. I provide support
and advice for many companies and individuals in the
St. Louis area. If your lawyer-dogs are not reigned
in promptly I will have no choice but to caution
my family, friends and my paying customers to not
use your Cuecat device, your Convergance Cable device nor,
especially, your C.R.Q. software.
I have already downloaded several alternative Cuecat
decoding software packages. The most useful of which
is a book cataloging package. I intend to use and share
these pieces of software freely. I also intend to use
my skills to improve and refine them. This can not be
illegal, nor I might add immoral. You have given me a
device that can be used for more than it's intended
purpose, and for that I thank you.
In closing, I'd like to add that people like me, hobbiests,
hackers, and just plain inquisitive people made the Internet
into the tool that it is today. The tool that you use
for your marketing purposes and the tool you have based
your business model on. Let me re-iterate: Hackers
built the Internet. It is not wise to raise the ire of
the same people who provide you with your email. Your
web services. Who create the protocols you depend on.
Who route your packets. You want bullying? Well there
it is.
I'd argue the simplicity of napster is the key to its '20-million users'.
I'm not arguing you here, but I have to question that number. Since many of the alternative napster clients don't save usernames and passwords (I've no clue about the "official" client...) I, for one, always make up a new u/p pair. Granted, it's getting MUCH harder, but I do it pretty much every time. So I have to wonder how many of those "20-million users" are names like "qwerty" and "1q2w3e".
Remember when SLS was king? Ahhh, the good old days.
And taking over a PC lab at 1 in the morning, downloading all 50 disks, dedicating a row just to format floppies (when unformated disks were cheaper (and AVAILABLE!)) and another to ftping to tsx-11.mit.edu to get the most recent SLS, getting it home and finding out disk N was bad (where N=the most critical disk possible.) Ah, yes, the days where men were men and university computing departments wouldn't give out SLIP accounts because "you can't have just anybody writing raw IP packets to the Internet! *gasp!*"
I miss those days sometimes, then I realise I can just grab a CD of anything for next to nothing and have a pretty decent OS to fuck around with.
If you worship computers enough to write a history of an obsolete OS, why not write the history of the axe?
This has been done. History is a great tool, as I'm sure you're aware. To someone like yourself you could use this history to tell you how NOT to design an OS. Personally, I find it incredibly interesting.
Oh, and as you pointed out in a later article, it "took all of 30 seconds" to find the axe history "in Google."
Deb was Ian's girlfriend at the time, now his wife. I was a TA for the same class as Ian at Purdue when we "discovered" Linux together (look, ma, blatent name dropping!) Ask him what the class was (clue: think Grace Hopper.)
More fun facts about Ian Murdock:
Ian was the Indiana state bagpipe champion or some such.
Ian was an accounting major before switching to CS after finding Linux.
That's about all I can remember, we sort of lost touch after a while. I think I still owe him money.
"...they can all be used ethically, or illegally. If used ethically, you won't have a problem. But if used illegally, should it be any surprise that you are charged with a felony?"
I know this has *nothing* to do with your point, which I agree with, but be careful with your wording. It's dangerous to confuse ethics and legality. Just because something's illegal doesn't make it immoral, nor if it's legal is it necessarily an ethical act.
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Circut for integer factorization?
Reminds me of a certain movie...
Obviously, I'm not the parent poster, but I get the same thing if I try the RPM install.
/. more than I have to. :)
HW: Duron 800 w/ 512MB, Geforce2MX (latest
drivers) Mandrake 8.1.
I installed from source and when I tried to run all I got was a dialog "Unable to open homerrc" or something like that.
I'm *supposed* to be putting together my girlfriends Valentines day present, when I'm done I'll delve into the source and let you know if I can figure anything else. I'll also hunt down your email address so I don't have to post to
+1 for the Atlas Shrugged, -1 for the Rush thingie (he really is a Big Fat Idiot) and no points for the dodgeball thing, I mean, who didn't resent dodgeball?
All in all, even count.
They are a $$$ centric buisness.
...see them for what they are.... a money grubbing buisness...
What else should they focus on? Skeeball tickets?
Again, here you go with the anti-capitalisim. What, exactly, is wrong with making money?
No offence, and I know you mean well, but you really need to lighten up on the money making thing. Money makes the world go around, and no matter what you want to believe, it's not evil. It's what you do with it that counts.
AOL is not my favorite corporation, but they're doing well, that means they're doing things right for the majority of people who use their service. Yes, you and I know their service sucks, but THEY ARE MAKING MONEY! There's nothing more grand, more worthwile, and more deserving of our respect than profit. Nothing.
Look at it this way: money gives you the ability to affect change in the way you desire. Therefore, if you gain a lot of money you can do what you wish. If in the process you are corrupted by the money then you weren't a person of the convictions you started out with. This isn't a bad thing (unless you fund things to further the "bad things" you are convinced of.) It's merely a barometer of what you really are, and most of us are selfish "bastards".
I'm too drunk now to spout out some sort of disertation , but remember this: you're only as corrupt as you allow yourself to be.
As others have pointed out, you can't run MOL on intel based systems, but you CAN run UAE (Unix (or unstable, depends on who you talk to) Amiga Emulator) and then run a mac emulator on top of that. It's not easy, the legality is questionable and it can be slow, but it does work, I did it a few years ago for kicks.
You'll need the Amiga Forever CD (which comes with fully licenced Amiga OS ROMS and software) and a mac emulator and mac ROMS (they're out there somewhere, and instructions for extracting them (legally) from your old macs are out there too.)
There's some other bits too, like getting the Picasso96 graphics drivers running, but it's not that tough, and if you wanted I could give you a hand if you felt like taking a crack at it. I ran MacOS 7(point something) on UAE under Linux (you can run UAE under windows, too) when I had an AMDk6-2 450 and it ran fine, speedwise.
God, you'd think I was a lisp programmer or something.
A real sys admin would have a test box, preferably a test lab...
A real sysadmin has to deal with budgets, and can't buy jack. A real sysadmin will then play BOFH and utter the phrases: "Oh, I'm sorry, your files were wiped out, that's too bad. Here, hold this cable, Mr. Boss. Oh, well, I guess had I a couple of test boxes I would have known not to plug a Cat 5 patch directly into 110VAC. Sorry."
Ahem. Sorry for the lapse into fantasy, go on about your business.
Then what will 'we' do?
Go bust him out and get him on a flight home.
Anyone feel like helping?
You're right, people got fucked. But that's their fault.
Ok, so if I lie to you and promise you wonderful things and don't deliver it's your fault, right?
Give me all the money you have in all your bank accounts and I promise I'll triple it in a month and give it back.
As I'm sure you're aware, Redhat != Linux, and kernel.org doesn't care, nor do they have the procedures in place to check, what happens to the Linux kernel source after they release it.
Those people you refer to are real people. People with children, bills and a willingness to hope for a better future. They were offered an opportunity to have a decent paying job if they passed some tests. They are not at fault. Not anymore than senior citizens who were fucked by Publishers Clearing House or Readers Digest.
I used to be arrogant, thinking I was smarter than everyone around me, thinking I was justified in feeling superior because I was demonstratably superior. Reality check: I still had to deal with everyone I had previously dismissed as inferior. I came to grips to the fact that everyone has different strengths.
You, my friend, are displaying arrogance in that you seem to think that these people are at fault because they believe what they were told and they shouldn't have. If that's the case then we should all build ourselves shelters, stock them with Twinkies (ptang, frink frink!) and shoot anyone outside our circles as they approach.
Ultimately, I must disagree. These people are not at fault. These people were promised things that were not delivered. Though some prudence is warrented and, no, people shouldn't jump into things without some investigation, you can't hold them accountable when some company promises something and then bails.
Don't be an oppositionist. I implore you. Have a heart.
We've already been asked by James Hibbits, Company "Visionary", to return said parts. Some of which were drop shipped to LG. They may or may not "pull through this" but the fact remains that we have to return a lot of parts, some of which we have no idea where they are. I hope they do pull through this, though IMO they'd better change their business plan and company name to avoid being blacklisted by the Linux and St. Louis business communities.
This is funny? Really. My company supplies equipment and leases space to Linuxgruven for their classes. Aaron up there has a wife and a child to support. Another person I know from Linuxgruven just moved here from Chicago, staying in a hotel with his family paid for by Linuxgruven. He was looking for a house. What's he gonna do now, move his family into a car? What's so funny about that?
On monday morning 15 people are going to show up at the door to my company expecting to be trained. Will there be anyone from Linuxgruven there to explain what's going on to them? Or are we going to have a riot on our hands? Then there are the afternoon and evening classes....
45 people who paid $2500 (or whatever) for training they're not going to get, expecting to work for a company that just let 100 employees go.... This is funny to you?
On top of all that, as I've stated before Linuxgruven has always paid their bills.... until now. They just ordered 100 machines from us for new offices they were planning to open. Thankfully they haven't been picked up yet, however we have to restock those parts to our vendors. If we're lucky we'll get a low 10% restocking fee. That's a large chunk of un-recoverable change for us to swallow.
This is not funny.
Ok, ok, I read "two" as "ten". I guess hooked on phonics didn't work for me.
Personally, I would love to have one! Just think of all the Pron and l33t warez I could store :)
Oh, get real. Both you and I know that by the time this technology (if it's real) makes it to market a standard OS install (take your pick, it won't matter) will be 5TB, using up half of it right off the bat. I, for one, will not be looking forward to buying Linux Kernel Internals -- 33rd printing, volumes 1-53.
And, in ten years, I'll STILL be on a fucking 56k-when-hell-freezes-over-more-like-26.4 dialup while Suzy N'Syncempeethrees and Sammy Likestoforwardjokes III have blistering Ultra-DSL at 30Gbps. Grrr.
Sorry for the rant.
I am not an employee of Linuxgruven, though I work with them closely. My company supplies all the PC's for them and we host training space for them. I agree that it *seems* strange, but their model works, and from the people I've talked to nobody has been misled into believing they're going to get a job if they merely *take* the classes, it's understood that they've got to pass.
/. ID. I'm an old-timer. I don't spend a lot of time reading or posting to the comments anymore because of all the crap you have to wade through.
/. account before today...
As an aside, please see my
Anyway, all I can say (as I said when this came up on Kuro5hin months ago) is: they pay their bills on time. And they're big bills. They're making money somehow other than tuition in order to do that.
FWIW: The sequential ID's bother me alot, and I find it hard to believe that there's no other Linuxgruven employee who has had a
"...no one from the DOS demoscene ever releases source code!"
As an aside, most demos "back in the day" were written in assembly language, it was sort of a given that you'd have access to a disassembler and be able to reverse engineer algorithims, if that was your thing. That's how I learned pretty much everything about coding on my Amiga (well, that and the rom manuals...)
Wow, that brings back a lot of memories of DOS/Amiga demoscene flamewars:
"Yeah, DOS demos can be good, if you have
an Orchid and a Soundblaster, but the hardware's
standard on an Amiga!"
To whom it may concern:
When I first heard about the Cuecat device I must admit
I was impressed. I wanted one and, hey, it's free!
Imagine my dismay when on the same *day* I picked up
a Cuecat from Radio Shack your company and it's lawyers
decided to issue a cease-and-desist letter to the author
of one of the few peices of cuecat decoding software
for my choice of operating system. I am not pleased.
As I'm sure you're aware, the Sega vs. Accolade case
(among others) solidified the legality of the reverse
engineering of technology for the purposes of
interopability. You cannot use an unenforceable licence
to stifle it, nor can your bullying tactics dam the flood
of Free Software Cuecat decoders.
The way I see it you have two choices. 1) Continue your
fruitless bullying efforts and alienate the entire
Free Software and Open Source community (incedently,
said communities are composed of very, very influental
personalities.) 2) Embrace the Free Software and
Open Source communities and work *WITH* the authors
designing Cuecat software (and possibly *gasp* contribute
*code* to their projects...) and reap the benefits of
an expanded user base.
The choice is yours, though the only reason I can
imagine you not opting for choice 2 is that you're
doing something unspeakable in the guts of your
C.R.Q. software.
I myself an am influential person. I provide support
and advice for many companies and individuals in the
St. Louis area. If your lawyer-dogs are not reigned
in promptly I will have no choice but to caution
my family, friends and my paying customers to not
use your Cuecat device, your Convergance Cable device nor,
especially, your C.R.Q. software.
I have already downloaded several alternative Cuecat
decoding software packages. The most useful of which
is a book cataloging package. I intend to use and share
these pieces of software freely. I also intend to use
my skills to improve and refine them. This can not be
illegal, nor I might add immoral. You have given me a
device that can be used for more than it's intended
purpose, and for that I thank you.
In closing, I'd like to add that people like me, hobbiests,
hackers, and just plain inquisitive people made the Internet
into the tool that it is today. The tool that you use
for your marketing purposes and the tool you have based
your business model on. Let me re-iterate: Hackers
built the Internet. It is not wise to raise the ire of
the same people who provide you with your email. Your
web services. Who create the protocols you depend on.
Who route your packets. You want bullying? Well there
it is.
Re7+!!
End Game. Your move.
I'd argue the simplicity of napster is the key to its '20-million users'.
I'm not arguing you here, but I have to question that number. Since many of the alternative napster clients don't save usernames and passwords (I've no clue about the "official" client...) I, for one, always make up a new u/p pair. Granted, it's getting MUCH harder, but I do it pretty much every time. So I have to wonder how many of those "20-million users" are names like "qwerty" and "1q2w3e".
...and for you old timers, home of QSD.
:)
Oh, fuck. I'm officially an old timer. An AC said so.
Tymnet was so much better than this Internet shit.
Remember when SLS was king? Ahhh, the good old days.
And taking over a PC lab at 1 in the morning, downloading all 50 disks, dedicating a row just to format floppies (when unformated disks were cheaper (and AVAILABLE!)) and another to ftping to tsx-11.mit.edu to get the most recent SLS, getting it home and finding out disk N was bad (where N=the most critical disk possible.) Ah, yes, the days where men were men and university computing departments wouldn't give out SLIP accounts because "you can't have just anybody writing raw IP packets to the Internet! *gasp!*"
I miss those days sometimes, then I realise I can just grab a CD of anything for next to nothing and have a pretty decent OS to fuck around with.
Yeah, I was a teenage Unix hacker, sue me.
If you worship computers enough to write a history of an obsolete OS, why not write the history of the axe?
This has been done. History is a great tool, as I'm sure you're aware. To someone like yourself you could use this history to tell you how NOT to design an OS. Personally, I find it incredibly interesting.
Oh, and as you pointed out in a later article, it "took all of 30 seconds" to find the axe history "in Google."
Deb was Ian's girlfriend at the time, now his wife. I was a TA for the same class as Ian at Purdue when we "discovered" Linux together (look, ma, blatent name dropping!) Ask him what the class was (clue: think Grace Hopper.)
More fun facts about Ian Murdock:
Ian was the Indiana state bagpipe champion or some such.
Ian was an accounting major before switching to CS after finding Linux.
That's about all I can remember, we sort of lost touch after a while. I think I still owe him money.
"...they can all be used ethically, or illegally. If used ethically, you won't have a problem. But if used illegally, should it be any surprise that you are charged with a felony?"
I know this has *nothing* to do with your point, which I agree with, but be careful with your wording. It's dangerous to confuse ethics and legality. Just because something's illegal doesn't make it immoral, nor if it's legal is it necessarily an ethical act.
Sorry for being offtopic, but just a pet peeve.
Press release. Wild claims of enormous energy. Patents. I'm having flashbacks to Pons & Fleishman (or however you spell it...)
Anyone got a salt shaker?
Or would "Wedding Quake" have been a better headline?
... was Greptile. Among others, but I liked
that one best.
This is the best out-of-context quote I think I've ever seen:
"Well, I'm playing with it, but it hasn't yet completely entangled me. If I play with it sufficiently, it probably will."
-- William Gibson