Maybe you should try an other Linux distro. For me it is: # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade wait a few minutes (if there are updates), and that's ok... No need to reboot, unless there is a kernel update. And because I'm running debian stable, the update never change the versions of a program, they only correct the security problem if there was one. And because it's the same version with only a small change (and no new feature), if it was working before, there are chances it will continue to work the same...
A lot of geeks forget that. Linux is not inherently secure (OpenBSD is inherently secure... and I don't think it's going mainstream desktop like that any time soon)
Where did you see that ? It's as easy to get an insecure OpenBSD as an insecure Linux distribution. And most Linux distributions have an advantage over OpenBSD in security: software updated are easy and can be made automatic. That's not the case with OpenBSD.
And KDE as something similar called kdesu (and there is the same for gnome) that open a dialog asking the root password, then run the program with root privileges. That's how if you're running Mandrake that you can launch easily the Mandrake configuration tools.
imagine instantly splitting the internet into 2: those using Windows, and those not using Windows. do you really think that those not using Windows will change, cos I think 99% of all changes would be to the non-Windows internet.
They'll try to do it little by litte, it will no be incompatible from the start. Do you see how many people use MSN Messenger while they could continue with ICQ or use Jabber ?
MSN is not better than others IM, but MS wanted people to use MSN so they put it in Win XP and now everybody use it. And people not running Windows with the official MSN Messenger are not officialy allowed to connect (even if a lot of people do it). And when MS will think it is the good day for that they'll make so that anyone not running windows cannot connect at all on their servers. But most of the people will aldready be using MSN without problem and they probably will not want to move to something else for the few linux users. And that's what is happening:/
We run Windows on our network here, but we have a Linux box with IP masquerading enabled connected to the Net, so the only exploits that could possibly work would be 'stupid enough to open the attachment' types, as you can't target any of our Windows PCs from the outside world, only our Linux box.
And what is your web browser ? If you're using Internet Explorer or Outlook Express you can very easily be infected reading a webpage or a mail you received. Mozilla is a good choise:)
Also the failure to install a critical patch that has been out for two weeks is called 'stupidity'.
Most users are not stupid, they are simply not interested in computers and don't understand a lot about them. Microsoft told them that anyone could use a computer without any problem, but it is not true.
Using a windows box connected to the net is already something close to extreme sports.
True. But too much things at locked with Microsoft at the moment (giving them no choice about the OS), I hope that will change in the futur.
I wonder how MS create their patch. Do they add new features in their patchs ?
What I like with Debian GNU/Linux and most others Linux distributions is that when there is a security vulnerability found in a program, they provide updated packages. But the new packages do not upgrade the program to a newer version, but instead they backported the fix to the same version in order to avoid any problem. The update does not give you any new feature but only correct the vulnerability.
If you're running à Debian Stable you can even put automatics updates every day whithout too much risk (it's still better if you can check that everything is ok, but problems are very rare).
The other good thing is that _any_ program installed using the package system will be updated if some day a vulnerability is found.
I read a while ago that 0-day exploits on Windows are mostly unheard of, while most viruses seem to come out a few weeks AFTER Microsoft has issued a patch, because the virus-writers wait for a patch to disassemble it and learn how to exploit the weakness, which is easier to do that figuring out how to exploit the vulnerability.
I think that enought details about the vulnerability help more than a patch do disassemble.
MS say this to give a reason why they take so much time to release their patchs.
This hole was patched by Microsoft, when? A few weeks ago...
Yes, it was patched a few weeks ago. But if you look on this page, you'll see that eeye reported this problem to MS on October 8, 2003.
However they waited for MS to release a patch to give more details about it.
But there was people aware of this for a very long time...
There are also which can be interesting: root@gmail.com, webmaster@gmail.com, marketing@gmail.com, admin@gmail.com, contact@gmail.com, support@gmail.com, email@gmail.com, mail@gmail.com, linux@gmail.com, 0@gmail.com, 1@gmail.com, 2@gmail.com... a@gmail.com... z@gmail.com...
There is no reason for this. Do you see a lot of programs that require you to install their "version" of python or perl to run ? Do you know a lot of.sxw files that require you to install their "version" of OpenOffice ? Do you know a lot of.tex that require you to install their "version" of LaTeX ?
The MS VM was different, they volontary created something incompatible to break portability (that's what they often do).
open source does not mean fragmentation. Do you know php, perl and python ? Theses are 3 languages which are Open Source projects (and they are not the only ones). Is there any fragmentation ? Why couldn't it be the same with Java ?
Your comparison between Mandrake 10 Community and Debian Sarge is completly stupid. The fact that you got some probleme with mdk and everything worked fine on your Debian Sarge does mean it's the case for everybody. I can find people who had no problem installing Mandrake 10 and could not install Sarge. And KDE running only as root is not the normal behavior, you probably found a bug (or did something wrong), that's what the Community release is for : to help find this kind or bugs.
But here we're talking about Mandrake 10 Official. What people who tried it were talking about was Mandrake 10 Community. The goal of the 'Community' release was to get people use it and report bugs, so that the 'Official' release be more stable.
Hello? Oh, hi mom. Yeah, I can help you install a program on your computer. Ok, select "synaptic" in the programs menu, then enter the root password. Now you can selected the program you want and click on the install button.
This article is completly stupid. First he talks about SCO as a big danger, this is stupid. Then he says Linux is becoming more expansive than Windows, this is stupid, no one asked him to buy RedHat Entreprise, if he doesn't want to pay for support, then he can use Fedora or any other free of charge linux distribution, and if he want some support he can pay RedHat for that. Now he says that "Most open source is imitation" which is also stupid and completly wrong. Then he talks about RedHat as the new Microsoft...
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I put it on my web server here.
If you don't want more than one way to do it, then Perl is not for you ...
Maybe you should try an other Linux distro. : ... ...
For me it is
# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
wait a few minutes (if there are updates), and that's ok
No need to reboot, unless there is a kernel update.
And because I'm running debian stable, the update never change the versions of a program, they only correct the security problem if there was one. And because it's the same version with only a small change (and no new feature), if it was working before, there are chances it will continue to work the same
A lot of geeks forget that. Linux is not inherently secure (OpenBSD is inherently secure... and I don't think it's going mainstream desktop like that any time soon)
Where did you see that ?
It's as easy to get an insecure OpenBSD as an insecure Linux distribution.
And most Linux distributions have an advantage over OpenBSD in security: software updated are easy and can be made automatic. That's not the case with OpenBSD.
And KDE as something similar called kdesu (and there is the same for gnome) that open a dialog asking the root password, then run the program with root privileges.
That's how if you're running Mandrake that you can launch easily the Mandrake configuration tools.
imagine instantly splitting the internet into 2: those using Windows, and those not using Windows. do you really think that those not using Windows will change, cos I think 99% of all changes would be to the non-Windows internet.
:/
They'll try to do it little by litte, it will no be incompatible from the start.
Do you see how many people use MSN Messenger while they could continue with ICQ or use Jabber ?
MSN is not better than others IM, but MS wanted people to use MSN so they put it in Win XP and now everybody use it. And people not running Windows with the official MSN Messenger are not officialy allowed to connect (even if a lot of people do it). And when MS will think it is the good day for that they'll make so that anyone not running windows cannot connect at all on their servers. But most of the people will aldready be using MSN without problem and they probably will not want to move to something else for the few linux users. And that's what is happening
We run Windows on our network here, but we have a Linux box with IP masquerading enabled connected to the Net, so the only exploits that could possibly work would be 'stupid enough to open the attachment' types, as you can't target any of our Windows PCs from the outside world, only our Linux box.
:)
And what is your web browser ?
If you're using Internet Explorer or Outlook Express you can very easily be infected reading a webpage or a mail you received.
Mozilla is a good choise
The worm can use Win98/WinME boxes to propegate but cannot infect those same computers
How does it work ?
Also the failure to install a critical patch that has been out for two weeks is called 'stupidity'.
Most users are not stupid, they are simply not interested in computers and don't understand a lot about them. Microsoft told them that anyone could use a computer without any problem, but it is not true.
Using a windows box connected to the net is already something close to extreme sports.
True. But too much things at locked with Microsoft at the moment (giving them no choice about the OS), I hope that will change in the futur.
I wonder how MS create their patch. Do they add new features in their patchs ?
What I like with Debian GNU/Linux and most others Linux distributions is that when there is a security vulnerability found in a program, they provide updated packages. But the new packages do not upgrade the program to a newer version, but instead they backported the fix to the same version in order to avoid any problem. The update does not give you any new feature but only correct the vulnerability.
If you're running à Debian Stable you can even put automatics updates every day whithout too much risk (it's still better if you can check that everything is ok, but problems are very rare).
The other good thing is that _any_ program installed using the package system will be updated if some day a vulnerability is found.
I read a while ago that 0-day exploits on Windows are mostly unheard of, while most viruses seem to come out a few weeks AFTER Microsoft has issued a patch, because the virus-writers wait for a patch to disassemble it and learn how to exploit the weakness, which is easier to do that figuring out how to exploit the vulnerability.
...
I think that enought details about the vulnerability help more than a patch do disassemble.
MS say this to give a reason why they take so much time to release their patchs.
This hole was patched by Microsoft, when? A few weeks ago...
Yes, it was patched a few weeks ago. But if you look on this page, you'll see that eeye reported this problem to MS on October 8, 2003.
However they waited for MS to release a patch to give more details about it.
But there was people aware of this for a very long time
There are also which can be interesting : ... a@gmail.com ... z@gmail.com ...
root@gmail.com, webmaster@gmail.com, marketing@gmail.com, admin@gmail.com, contact@gmail.com, support@gmail.com, email@gmail.com, mail@gmail.com, linux@gmail.com, 0@gmail.com, 1@gmail.com, 2@gmail.com
Here I am, trying to get Debian installed on an old P3-800 machine.
:)
Wow, my fastest machine is as fast as your old one
and why do you think it is different ?
You want something Sun spent 100's of million dollars developing, and protecting for free.
We're not talking about money. Why do you think a closed source Java bring them more money ?
And why do you think they opensourced OpenOffice ?
There is no reason for this. .sxw files that require you to install their "version" of OpenOffice ? .tex that require you to install their "version" of LaTeX ?
Do you see a lot of programs that require you to install their "version" of python or perl to run ?
Do you know a lot of
Do you know a lot of
The MS VM was different, they volontary created something incompatible to break portability (that's what they often do).
open source does not mean fragmentation.
Do you know php, perl and python ?
Theses are 3 languages which are Open Source projects (and they are not the only ones). Is there any fragmentation ?
Why couldn't it be the same with Java ?
is that what you're looking for ?
We will rise to this challenge, and we will compete in a fair and responsible manner that puts our customers first.
Mouahahahaha.
Does he really want us to believe this ?
Microsoft to compete in a fair manner ?
Microsoft to think about its customers first ?
Your comparison between Mandrake 10 Community and Debian Sarge is completly stupid.
The fact that you got some probleme with mdk and everything worked fine on your Debian Sarge does mean it's the case for everybody. I can find people who had no problem installing Mandrake 10 and could not install Sarge.
And KDE running only as root is not the normal behavior, you probably found a bug (or did something wrong), that's what the Community release is for : to help find this kind or bugs.
But here we're talking about Mandrake 10 Official.
What people who tried it were talking about was Mandrake 10 Community. The goal of the 'Community' release was to get people use it and report bugs, so that the 'Official' release be more stable.
Somewhere in Linux-land, a phone rings....
Hello? Oh, hi mom. Yeah, I can help you install a program on your computer.
Ok, select "synaptic" in the programs menu, then enter the root password.
Now you can selected the program you want and click on the install button.
This article is completly stupid. ...
First he talks about SCO as a big danger, this is stupid.
Then he says Linux is becoming more expansive than Windows, this is stupid, no one asked him to buy RedHat Entreprise, if he doesn't want to pay for support, then he can use Fedora or any other free of charge linux distribution, and if he want some support he can pay RedHat for that.
Now he says that "Most open source is imitation" which is also stupid and completly wrong.
Then he talks about RedHat as the new Microsoft
That's strange that they've been to the sames places the girl has been.
...
Would it be possible that the 1st website is a fake to make people look at the game ?
I hope not
Does anyone know if there are there a lot of places we can visit ?
No, mandaws aldready exists, it's a live cd based on Linux Mandrake.