Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make crappy PC's compared to an Apple product. Apple is super stable and hold their resale value in ways that even a gold plated Alineware laptop can only dream of.
Apple only wishes that more people like you were living in the reality distortion field. Sorry, but the rest of us know better.
That's true. The real problem for Microsoft would be if Dell starts selling (and advertising) PCs with Linux. Consumers trust Dell, so if Dell says it is good, they will buy it.
Hehe, it's 2006 and we still have the faithful thinking that "current" desktop Linux has any chance of being anything besides a novelty for the hobbyist and a workstation environment for certain IT tasks. How cute.
It isn't really about Freenode, but I'm used to being on slashnet. So there you go.
It's not about slashnet either. My point was that most of the "coding discussion" is going on at freenode and not slashnet. It's not a big deal either way.
Wouldn't it make more sense to be hosting it over at freenode? I have nothing against slashnet, but there's probably more coding discussion going on over there than any other irc network.
Donations are also a good way for people to pay you for something they think is worth it.
Oh, so you are opposed to him charging for it.
The information on the steam browser leaves out that its also available freely, which means he is misleading people into paying for a free product when they won't know the difference.
Ahh, the poor consumer - forever incompetent and always snookered by the evil marketers. I guess we need a new Federal law to deal with that.
I've had Firefox easily consume in the 700 meg range (and maybe 35 tabs or so max). I've got 2 Gigs, but that's still a hefty chunk of ram. I tend to read a lot of PDF docs and someone up further on this page said that the Adobe plugin isn't releasing its memory. But my question is does Firefox even care about the cache value that you set?
If anyone's vulnerabilities ~should~ be actively exploited it's FF's, because the source is read and there is full disclosure on the vulnerabilities. But I know of almost none that have been, and none that were widespread.
How many people do you think are really "reading" the source. And when I say read, I don't mean downloading the source, opening up a couple files in vim just to check it out, then build it and be on your merry way. And I'm not talking about average C++ programmers either. I'm talking about C++ programmers that actually understand the codebase. It's probably not as many as the usual open source groupthink claims.
That said, I still trust Firefox more than IE. And I'm pretty much "locked-in" to it with the tabs and especially the extensions. I still haven't found a modern browser that renders as fast as IE though - if you don't count Dillo.
What gets me is that they effectively started over in 1998, but still chose a language which doesn't have garbage collection (or a bunch of other basic features). I mean, what programmer sits there worrying about who owns a piece of memory anymore?
Is HotJava still around, maybe you could try that? But seriously, what did you expect them to use - Java? Or let me guess, some uber-functional language like Haskell? But even to this day, there's really not a really great crossplatform alternative to C++. In a piece of software like Mozilla, I still wouldn't trust Java's GC to do the right thing.
In other words, you're pissed that this guy might make a couple bucks on something he probably had a good time programming. How dare he. He should be doing this in his spare time (and giving it away), while making the real money off of that web app that his PHB just told him to write.
Note to metamods. The coward and the moderator (one in the same?) don't really think that Java is slow. He/They just don't like Java because (a) it ain't cool, (b) some weird ideology that Java is not open source enough, (c) it's not a shiny dynamic language like Ruby that all the cool kids are using.
I'm not a big Java fan and would rather program in Ruby all day long over Java (well, personally with no external condidtions other than the fun of hacking), but fair is fair and Java is anything but slow and probably has the best tools to work with (Smalltalkers will probably disagree).
NetBeans is also pure Java, written on Swing, while Eclipse uses its proprietary SWT, which uses native calls to get its GUI work done.
It's funny how this stupidity continues to get thrown around by Netbeans fanboys. Because we all know that Java-Swing actually uses no native code *rolls-eyes*. I guess that just continues the "fine" McNealy/Sun tradition of saying that "Java is the platform, and the OS is irrelevant". Oh, and nice how SWT is suddenly "proprietary".
Sun must really be getting nervous about Eclipse being a true universal tools platform - while Netbeans...well it does Java OK, if you can stand looking at Swing for more than 5 minutes.
Apple isn't in the OS X business, they are in the computer hardware business. If somebody buys an Apple instead of a Dell so they can run an occasional Mac application, Boot Camp is a success.
Jobs has always had a hardware fetish. He was never a programmer or engineer, so this was an actual way that he could contribute, besides passing out the kool-aid.
But let's be serious. Apple would sell DVDs of OSX at Best Buy in a heartbeat if they thought it could work.
Of course, many people want to see Windows market share decrease, but that's their agenda, not Apple's.
Companies don't have agendas, people do. I'm sure there are lots of people at Apple that would like to put a dent in the windows desktop monopoly. Remember, Apple had a huge home and educational market share at one point in time.
When I run desktop linux, I run Kanotix. It blows away Ubuntu as far as out of the box experience, and I would rather stick with the standard debian repositories. And the guy that puts together the distro really has some awesome scripts.
Every single one of them LOVE Ubuntu and will not switch back to windows. Why? installing new software is brain dead easy... Far easier than windows and MAC os has ever been, plus they all do not care about running brand name apps but simply something that works.
It sounds like your family and friends really don't need that much in the way of software. There are a lot of people that can basically live in a browser. That's fine, but once you need to step out that repository universe, installing software becomes much more difficult than on windows or mac.
I never quite understood why something like autopackage wasn't adopted as a universal package format and native package systems could be retrofitted to play nicely with it.
For example, a developer could just package up his code in an autopackage and it would just work with all the major distros. The native package system could go out and find all the dependencies and install them seamlessly. Of course there could be library versioning problems with that scenario, but who knows.
I actually consider Linux (or something like Ubuntu) to be a better fit for newbs than windows. I'll still use windows on my desktop though because I can basically get a full Unix environmnet, plus a whole lot more with windows. I tend to run colinux or an xserver to the machine in the basement.
It's nice that Google has the engineering resources to deal with all of the idiosyncracies and severe limitations that DHTML imposes, but for my needs I'd rather use something like Flex 2.0 (when that comes out) or WPF/E (when that comes out). I'm talking about apps here (like a word processor), and not a document-centric web site.
Of course the needs of an app are varied, and even the definition of an "app" can be blurred on the web, but I just can never get over the severe limitations that DHTML imposes on us.
I think things are going to get real interesting when Microsoft releases WPF/E. Flash has a huge installed base, but I think that WPF/E has a couple advantages over Flash - that it's just markup and not bytecode, and that it can be scripted with standard javascript and not Adobe's actionscript. Microsoft is going to do a port to Macs and I'll presume that a Linux engine will make it into the wilds eventually.
I love the web because of it's deployment advantages, but just hate many of the limitations that stock browsers (sans plugins) have.
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I found it hilarious too.
Thanks for the info. I hear Ballmer and Gates do drive-bys on the weekends just for kicks.
Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make crappy PC's compared to an Apple product. Apple is super stable and hold their resale value in ways that even a gold plated Alineware laptop can only dream of.
Apple only wishes that more people like you were living in the reality distortion field. Sorry, but the rest of us know better.
That's true. The real problem for Microsoft would be if Dell starts selling (and advertising) PCs with Linux. Consumers trust Dell, so if Dell says it is good, they will buy it.
Hehe, it's 2006 and we still have the faithful thinking that "current" desktop Linux has any chance of being anything besides a novelty for the hobbyist and a workstation environment for certain IT tasks. How cute.
It isn't really about Freenode, but I'm used to being on slashnet. So there you go.
It's not about slashnet either. My point was that most of the "coding discussion" is going on at freenode and not slashnet. It's not a big deal either way.
Wouldn't it make more sense to be hosting it over at freenode? I have nothing against slashnet, but there's probably more coding discussion going on over there than any other irc network.
Donations are also a good way for people to pay you for something they think is worth it.
Oh, so you are opposed to him charging for it.
The information on the steam browser leaves out that its also available freely, which means he is misleading people into paying for a free product when they won't know the difference.
Ahh, the poor consumer - forever incompetent and always snookered by the evil marketers. I guess we need a new Federal law to deal with that.
I've had Firefox easily consume in the 700 meg range (and maybe 35 tabs or so max). I've got 2 Gigs, but that's still a hefty chunk of ram. I tend to read a lot of PDF docs and someone up further on this page said that the Adobe plugin isn't releasing its memory. But my question is does Firefox even care about the cache value that you set?
If anyone's vulnerabilities ~should~ be actively exploited it's FF's, because the source is read and there is full disclosure on the vulnerabilities. But I know of almost none that have been, and none that were widespread.
How many people do you think are really "reading" the source. And when I say read, I don't mean downloading the source, opening up a couple files in vim just to check it out, then build it and be on your merry way. And I'm not talking about average C++ programmers either. I'm talking about C++ programmers that actually understand the codebase. It's probably not as many as the usual open source groupthink claims.
That said, I still trust Firefox more than IE. And I'm pretty much "locked-in" to it with the tabs and especially the extensions. I still haven't found a modern browser that renders as fast as IE though - if you don't count Dillo.
What gets me is that they effectively started over in 1998, but still chose a language which doesn't have garbage collection (or a bunch of other basic features). I mean, what programmer sits there worrying about who owns a piece of memory anymore?
Is HotJava still around, maybe you could try that? But seriously, what did you expect them to use - Java? Or let me guess, some uber-functional language like Haskell? But even to this day, there's really not a really great crossplatform alternative to C++. In a piece of software like Mozilla, I still wouldn't trust Java's GC to do the right thing.
In other words, you're pissed that this guy might make a couple bucks on something he probably had a good time programming. How dare he. He should be doing this in his spare time (and giving it away), while making the real money off of that web app that his PHB just told him to write.
Hehe
Note to metamods. The coward and the moderator (one in the same?) don't really think that Java is slow. He/They just don't like Java because (a) it ain't cool, (b) some weird ideology that Java is not open source enough, (c) it's not a shiny dynamic language like Ruby that all the cool kids are using.
I'm not a big Java fan and would rather program in Ruby all day long over Java (well, personally with no external condidtions other than the fun of hacking), but fair is fair and Java is anything but slow and probably has the best tools to work with (Smalltalkers will probably disagree).
NetBeans is also pure Java, written on Swing, while Eclipse uses its proprietary SWT, which uses native calls to get its GUI work done.
It's funny how this stupidity continues to get thrown around by Netbeans fanboys. Because we all know that Java-Swing actually uses no native code *rolls-eyes*. I guess that just continues the "fine" McNealy/Sun tradition of saying that "Java is the platform, and the OS is irrelevant". Oh, and nice how SWT is suddenly "proprietary".
Sun must really be getting nervous about Eclipse being a true universal tools platform - while Netbeans...well it does Java OK, if you can stand looking at Swing for more than 5 minutes.
Have your countrymen walked on the moon yet? And if you're european, you're such losers that you haven't even got a man into orbit yet.
You Apple retards are now officially more brain damaged than the linux drones.
Apple isn't in the OS X business, they are in the computer hardware business. If somebody buys an Apple instead of a Dell so they can run an occasional Mac application, Boot Camp is a success.
Jobs has always had a hardware fetish. He was never a programmer or engineer, so this was an actual way that he could contribute, besides passing out the kool-aid.
But let's be serious. Apple would sell DVDs of OSX at Best Buy in a heartbeat if they thought it could work.
Of course, many people want to see Windows market share decrease, but that's their agenda, not Apple's.
Companies don't have agendas, people do. I'm sure there are lots of people at Apple that would like to put a dent in the windows desktop monopoly. Remember, Apple had a huge home and educational market share at one point in time.
You're either lying or something is wrong with your hardware or the installation of windows went horribly wrong in some bizarre way.
See, your problem is that XP locks up on regular basis only in your slashdrone fantasy world. In the real world, it doesn't happen.
In other words, everything you said in the previous post was a lie and you were just spewing in slashborg mode.
MS isn't stable, because they don't care about stability
Oops, see Windows might have a spyware problem, but XP is stable. See most of us live in the real world, unlike you.
I agree. http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.g if
When I run desktop linux, I run Kanotix. It blows away Ubuntu as far as out of the box experience, and I would rather stick with the standard debian repositories. And the guy that puts together the distro really has some awesome scripts.
Every single one of them LOVE Ubuntu and will not switch back to windows. Why? installing new software is brain dead easy... Far easier than windows and MAC os has ever been, plus they all do not care about running brand name apps but simply something that works.
It sounds like your family and friends really don't need that much in the way of software. There are a lot of people that can basically live in a browser. That's fine, but once you need to step out that repository universe, installing software becomes much more difficult than on windows or mac.
I never quite understood why something like autopackage wasn't adopted as a universal package format and native package systems could be retrofitted to play nicely with it.
For example, a developer could just package up his code in an autopackage and it would just work with all the major distros. The native package system could go out and find all the dependencies and install them seamlessly. Of course there could be library versioning problems with that scenario, but who knows.
I actually consider Linux (or something like Ubuntu) to be a better fit for newbs than windows. I'll still use windows on my desktop though because I can basically get a full Unix environmnet, plus a whole lot more with windows. I tend to run colinux or an xserver to the machine in the basement.
It's nice that Google has the engineering resources to deal with all of the idiosyncracies and severe limitations that DHTML imposes, but for my needs I'd rather use something like Flex 2.0 (when that comes out) or WPF/E (when that comes out). I'm talking about apps here (like a word processor), and not a document-centric web site.
Of course the needs of an app are varied, and even the definition of an "app" can be blurred on the web, but I just can never get over the severe limitations that DHTML imposes on us.
I think things are going to get real interesting when Microsoft releases WPF/E. Flash has a huge installed base, but I think that WPF/E has a couple advantages over Flash - that it's just markup and not bytecode, and that it can be scripted with standard javascript and not Adobe's actionscript. Microsoft is going to do a port to Macs and I'll presume that a Linux engine will make it into the wilds eventually.
I love the web because of it's deployment advantages, but just hate many of the limitations that stock browsers (sans plugins) have.