Going to work I have done in the past 7 miles per day to 14 miles per day, about 250 days per year (not counting week end biking, or doing 400 miles on a trip). That is about 1750 to 3500 miles per year (actually counting week end I have on my bike i have nowadays about 2200 per year). That is quite an heavy usage...
Are you one of those Dutch bicycle weirdos who give cyclists a bad name? You know the type who can't get past 'Hello' without spending 30 minutes going on about how pretty bicycles are? Car drivers won't cycle partly because they don't want to be associated with people like you. You are killing your own cause by being so obsessive about it.
You are right. Just one day working from home a week is a huge saving in fuel, time, and stress. It also improves productivity and lets you avoid those time thieves who insist on starting pointless conversations with anyone and everyone. I don't know why more companies don't allow staff to work from home at least one day a week.
This nation (USA) is the greatest on the face of the earth despite Obama and the libtards trying to ruin it. We carry the planet on our backs as far as helping other countries.
You really believe that don't you?
Try watching or reading foreign news sometime, it's always educational to get a few different viewpoints on things.
Even if making a bicycle leaves a carbon footprint...it is still going to save the rider in gas money
You make the same mistake TFA does - you assume that food intake has no cost. For this type of analysis, you have to take into account the energy needed to produce the food consumed. TFA assumes food intake is constant between the car/bus rider, walker, and bicyclist, which is rather silly if you're going to be using your bike to replace your car on a 5-10 mile daily commute. All that energy for pedaling has to come from somewhere.
I suspect most car drivers and most bicyclists don't actually eat differently. Instead bike riders burn a few more calories and are a bit trimmer and car drivers are a little bit fatter. Most bike riders don't go flat out on their trip to work, they travel at a pretty relaxed pace. They are on a busy road not a race track.
The amount of calories biking at an easy pace uses is more or less insignificant when compared to a normal western diet.
Sushi is more expensive than gasoline, so are most "lean and trendy" foods that I tend to see the bike commuter crowd eat (at least at my work). I sincerely doubt they are saving money on gas, as they are replacing it with the kinds of expensive food that you can use to sustain exercise.
Eating Sushi has nothing to do with exercise, it has more to do with being a "lean and trendy" type. Oats, pasta, vegetables, grilled meat, and fish is the exercise diet of choice amongst non-trendies.
Yea, this myth is old, and I am surprised that people continue to spread it today, even though MS had not release any DOS-based Windows versions since 2001.
Being DOS based has nothing to do with it. Current windows versions are not DOS based but they are still a badly designed and badly implemented mess. The endless security issues prove that.
Where on earth did you copy and paste your irrelevant comment from?
... because they started with a solid proven design, UNIX. Microsoft never had that advantage.
Yeah, good UNIX proven design
Like setuid servers (not!) where even simple bugs allow an attacker direct root access
Don't run bad code as root, and certainly not as a persistent server. Setuid servers are pretty much a thing of the past anyway.
Like the hopelessly inadequate me-us-world security coarse-grained security which requires proper ACLs to be bolted on top.
Look up the KISS rule. Complex security rules that humans can't understand make security worse not better. ACLs result in scanning though lists to match rules which kills performance. Cleaner is better.
Like you cannot set up proper inheritance of security from parent folder, leading admins to design strange processes to wake up and chmod files.
Inheritance of security makes a complex mess more complex and impossible to understand. Look up the KISS rule. You clearly don't know anything about groups or the effects of setgid on directories either.
Like the almighty root to rule them all. No separation of duties there. (Windows has proper separation of duties based on privileges. Even admin does not own all privileges, for instance the admin *cannot* write to or clear the security log).
Not strictly true as root can be separated into capabilities. So how does the limits on what 'administrator' can do help when there are countless exploits that give system level access?
Like the UNIX idea of a "token" which are just UIDs hard-wired to user accounts. (Windows has *real* process tokens which can be manipulated per process, e.g. stripping certain privileges from a process even if it runs under an admin account).
It's possible to change the permissions, capabilities, or chroot a process. You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Windows security design is not perfect, but it is a god deal better designed and more capable than the "UNIX proven design".
No, it's not. The fact windows has countless exploits in the wild is proof of a bad design and a bad implementation. UNIX has a design that has been stable for many, many, years. Windows is the product of taking something dodgy and hacking core systems endlessly, it's just a mess.
Why do you think SELinux was developed by the NSA? Because Linux with its "proven design" was woefully inadequate for government work - a task for which Windows is certified but only few Linuxes - those with SELinux).
Yes NSA wrote SELinux, anyone can contribute to Linux or the BSD's. Good on the NSA for using tax dollars for something useful. Government certification has nothing to do with product quality. It's about how much time and money the vendor can sink into paying for a certification.
We keep hearing about this "superior" Unix security design. But it is always referred to in the abstract with no details.
All the details are on the internet, literally everything. The LKML is archived publicly in various places so you can read that. The source for every version is publicly available should you want to read it. You can audit the source yourself or pay people to do it if you like, no need for fees, contracts, or NDA's. Where can I get the whole current source code for windows? Oh, I can't unless I'm the US government.
I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what the eye witnesses say, but based on what I can find..
In every police killing I remember hearing about the story changes a number of times in the next few months. There was a case of man shot and killed by police in London a few years ago. The first story to come out was that a dangerous and known criminal pointed a shotgun at the police who had no choice but to shoot first to disarm the lunatic.
The final version was thet this man was walking home with a table leg in a bag that his friend had just repaired. Someone assumed it was a gun and called the police. When the police turned up they approached him from behind and shouted at him. As soon as he turned and they saw he was carrying something they shot him. He didn't have any weapons and wasn't acting in a hostile way. He was just walking home with an odd shaped object.
You will have to wait 6 months before the real story is known, if it ever is.
Maybe everyone in the US knows the backstory but i didn't so I googled it. Here is what I found:
On the 3 July 2011 a BART ( Bay Area Rapid Transport ) police officer shot dead Charles Hill ( 45 ). It appears Mr Hill was drunk but other than that stories vary wildly. No version of the story states Mr Hill had a gun, some versions say he was acting in a threatening manner with a bottle of drink. The controversy appears to be due to a police officer shooting an unarmed man when he had and should have used a taser.
Comment away, maybe that'll make Linux relevant on desktops.
Ubuntu works better than windows on desktops. It's more secure, it's free, doesn't need a virus scanner because it's designed properly, and it comes with bucket loads of great software at no extra charge.
But if you like expensive, slow, and bug ridden OS's that team with viruses feel free to use windows. It's totally up to you.
[sarcasm]Yeah, we all know the only thing the government, police, and army of any country does is abuse its own people. We all know that's the only reason for their existence. They couldn't have any legitimate reason for existing.[/sarcasm]
That's a straw man and does nothing to disprove my point. Civilians are not normally in a position to supress information about their wrongdoings.
You are talking out of your arse, 50 is old enough to be out of touch with some of the social uses of electronic communications my dear spawn. But I don't agree that we are out of touch with the technology, after all we have been using it a lot longer than you. Back in the day before everything became magic, you might buy a computer for fun that you programmed with machine code. I imagine that we know far better how the guts of the world work than you do.
Now if you want to moan about the fact that society is run by Philosophy Politics and Economics graduates then you might have stumbled upon something. How any person can be allowed to run for elected office who doesn't have a clue how industry, technology, biology is shaping our society is beyond me.
I'm under 40 and I didn't use computers at school, my school had computers but they were too expensive for students to touch. As far as I remember I was only ever allowed in the magical computer room once and then I was yelled at to not touch the magic computers. How you got access to computers over 10 years earlier is a mystery to me.
Seeing as you are posting on slashdot you are not a typical 50 year old. I've found people your age who work with IT, science, engineering, or math have good computer skills. However many who don't have an interest in these fields struggle to send email. Politicals care about money and power, not science. I doubt most of them could find the on switch without help. And those are the idiots who get to say when social networking gets turned off.. It won't work.
Just a random enquiry, do you think that getting your stomach ripped out in Afghanistan by an IUD full of nails is solvable by picking up some power up pills off the floor just like the awesome video games that you play?
You mean an IED? I think you lost it on that question. Maybe you overdosed your power up pills. ( I'm joking )
Comparing raping to turning off social media temporarily for the good of society? Are the updates about your friend's cat that important to you?
The updates about government, police, and army abuses around the world are. If the police ( in any country ) know they can't cover up abuses they are less likely to abuse their position.
More to the point, the problem here isn't social media, rather it is that the police feel its okay to shoot kids and the kids feel its okay to loot and riot. Both of which can occur just as well with or without social media.
Youtube has done a lot of good by bringing police abuses in many countries to the public attention. Video shows exactly what happened with no room for bias. Freedom of social networks and media in general is something we should defend.
Hardly "old" 70 on is "old" 50 is middle aged and 26 is barely out of nappies.
50 is old enough to be seriously out of touch with electronic communications. We are talking about 50 year olds that don't work in IT or any related field and who went to school back when computers didn't exist and international phone calls had to be booked via an operator. Their main skills are manipulating people not technology.
Feeling aggressive? It seems to be going around. I lived in Enfield for many years and I lived in Tottenham. I've seen the situation the police have caused. Some of them are perfectly reasonable but a lot are just out to get black men.
Protests against anything often turn into protests against everything including innocent victims. The looters were just taking advantage of the situation the police killing caused.
I've no mod points, but as someone who has lived all over London (New Cross, Waterloo, Hampstead and now Enfield) I couldn't agree more. This is not about police brutality, over use of stop and search tactics or lack of opportunity. This is about feckless scum who want a new pair of trainers
It it's about scum wanting new trainers then why were the first two things to get destroyed both police cars?
No doubt there are a lot of casual thieves taking advantage of the situation but the rioting was started by a police killing. The Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson incidents are still more or less fresh in people's memories.
I am never amazed at the sense of helplessness I get from Europeans. They expect the government to do everything for and when it doesn't, for some reason petty theft is "justified". Pathetic.
That's not why people are rioting. At least that's only a small part of it, it's more complex.
The minimum I expect of a government is not to kill innocent civilians. The UK police killed Jean Charles de Menezes, they killed Ian Tomlinson, both totally innocent people. When it looked like they killed another innocent, Mark Duggan, certain people wanted to correct the injustice. It should be noted that even though Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson were both innocent of any crime no officers were ever prosecuted for their killings. The IPCC whitewashed both killings thus reducing trust in the police service even more.
The whole stop and search without even the suspicion of a crime experiment is alienating great numbers of law abiding people.
Recent tax raises and high inflation is making a lot of people really angry.
Paying freaking billions for the Olympics when more important things are being neglected is reckless and stupid and the people don't get any say in it. This only makes them more angry.
Voting in a new government didn't change anything. Just more broken promises to be angry about.
It is about class. It's about a class of people who were sick with the police abusing them.
Oh, ok. In that case, when can we expect to see a riot of middle-class people who are sick with the gangs and criminals abusing them? I can just picture it now: a bunch of lawyers and businessmen with torches and pitchforks, burning down the ghetto and beating up anyone wearing 'bling' or a hoody.
Whattayamean that never happens? Why not?
The middle classes have less to be angry about so it takes more to push them to violence. However it's happening right now. Lots of people are grouping up to defend their communities. You can bet they will go way beyond the law should they actually get hold of any rioters. The authorities are appealing for them to go home and let the police handle it.
The police have abused their anti-terror powers beyond all reason and they have killed two innocent people in recent history not counting the recent shooting which is still unknown.
Yeah! Just like those bus drivers who keep abusing their power, and have killed at least 3 innocent people this year alone! I totally get why the rioters were torching busses.
The bus was just an easy target. These rioters hadn't exactly planned it out, as soon as they realized the police could not stop them they just attacked whatever was nearest.
I never said the police killed 3 people this year, I said in recent history. I'm referring to Ian Tomlinson who died after being assaulted by a police officer whilst walking home. There is video of this on youtube, he didn't so much as glance at the police, was just an walking home innocently. I'm also referring to Jean Charles de Menezes who was followed onto a train, held down by 3 police, and shot in the head seven times with hollow point bullets. This was in the middle of a busy train. He was also innocent of any known crime. In both of these cases the IPCC whitewashed the whole thing. The third killing I'm referring to is Mark Duggan. We still don't really know what happened there.
The police got away with some nasty things, they broke the social contract by killing those they should have protected and the result was the break down of law and order.
Fighting with the police does not solve anything. Burning things does not solve anything.
Nor does anything else. Voting didn't solve anything, they just got different self-interested people making the same old excuses whilst fiddling expenses.
So what's left? Peaceful protest? That didn't make any difference with the millions that protested the Iraq war, it's clear it's not going to make any difference on anything else. It's clear the government and the police either don't care or are outright hostile to the people they are meant to be serving.
At least this way the rioters got some attention, the whole world knows they are pissed off and is wondering why.
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Because it's all foreign news to me, I didn't spend a great amount of time researching this.
I heard about planned mass protests and wanted to know what they were protests against. Maybe everyone else on here knows but I didn't.
Going to work I have done in the past 7 miles per day to 14 miles per day, about 250 days per year (not counting week end biking, or doing 400 miles on a trip). That is about 1750 to 3500 miles per year (actually counting week end I have on my bike i have nowadays about 2200 per year). That is quite an heavy usage...
Are you one of those Dutch bicycle weirdos who give cyclists a bad name? You know the type who can't get past 'Hello' without spending 30 minutes going on about how pretty bicycles are? Car drivers won't cycle partly because they don't want to be associated with people like you. You are killing your own cause by being so obsessive about it.
You are right. Just one day working from home a week is a huge saving in fuel, time, and stress. It also improves productivity and lets you avoid those time thieves who insist on starting pointless conversations with anyone and everyone. I don't know why more companies don't allow staff to work from home at least one day a week.
Strangely there is a dilbert about this today:
http://dilbert.com/2011-08-14/
A big mac will let you walk a lot more than 100 m. The calories in a big mac are sufficient to let me run about 7 km.
I thought you were making that up. Seems you are right.
The internet tells me there are 576 Calories in a big mac. Using an internet calculator with my weight I could burn that running in 6.5 km.
I burnt off just under 3 big macs at the gym yesterday. Nice.
This nation (USA) is the greatest on the face of the earth despite Obama and the libtards trying to ruin it. We carry the planet on our backs as far as helping other countries.
You really believe that don't you?
Try watching or reading foreign news sometime, it's always educational to get a few different viewpoints on things.
You make the same mistake TFA does - you assume that food intake has no cost. For this type of analysis, you have to take into account the energy needed to produce the food consumed. TFA assumes food intake is constant between the car/bus rider, walker, and bicyclist, which is rather silly if you're going to be using your bike to replace your car on a 5-10 mile daily commute. All that energy for pedaling has to come from somewhere.
I suspect most car drivers and most bicyclists don't actually eat differently. Instead bike riders burn a few more calories and are a bit trimmer and car drivers are a little bit fatter. Most bike riders don't go flat out on their trip to work, they travel at a pretty relaxed pace. They are on a busy road not a race track.
The amount of calories biking at an easy pace uses is more or less insignificant when compared to a normal western diet.
Sushi is more expensive than gasoline, so are most "lean and trendy" foods that I tend to see the bike commuter crowd eat (at least at my work). I sincerely doubt they are saving money on gas, as they are replacing it with the kinds of expensive food that you can use to sustain exercise.
Eating Sushi has nothing to do with exercise, it has more to do with being a "lean and trendy" type. Oats, pasta, vegetables, grilled meat, and fish is the exercise diet of choice amongst non-trendies.
Yea, this myth is old, and I am surprised that people continue to spread it today, even though MS had not release any DOS-based Windows versions since 2001.
Being DOS based has nothing to do with it. Current windows versions are not DOS based but they are still a badly designed and badly implemented mess. The endless security issues prove that.
Where on earth did you copy and paste your irrelevant comment from?
Yeah, good UNIX proven design
Like setuid servers (not!) where even simple bugs allow an attacker direct root access
Don't run bad code as root, and certainly not as a persistent server. Setuid servers are pretty much a thing of the past anyway.
Like the hopelessly inadequate me-us-world security coarse-grained security which requires proper ACLs to be bolted on top.
Look up the KISS rule. Complex security rules that humans can't understand make security worse not better. ACLs result in scanning though lists to match rules which kills performance. Cleaner is better.
Like you cannot set up proper inheritance of security from parent folder, leading admins to design strange processes to wake up and chmod files.
Inheritance of security makes a complex mess more complex and impossible to understand. Look up the KISS rule. You clearly don't know anything about groups or the effects of setgid on directories either.
Like the almighty root to rule them all. No separation of duties there. (Windows has proper separation of duties based on privileges. Even admin does not own all privileges, for instance the admin *cannot* write to or clear the security log).
Not strictly true as root can be separated into capabilities. So how does the limits on what 'administrator' can do help when there are countless exploits that give system level access?
Like the UNIX idea of a "token" which are just UIDs hard-wired to user accounts. (Windows has *real* process tokens which can be manipulated per process, e.g. stripping certain privileges from a process even if it runs under an admin account).
It's possible to change the permissions, capabilities, or chroot a process. You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Windows security design is not perfect, but it is a god deal better designed and more capable than the "UNIX proven design".
No, it's not. The fact windows has countless exploits in the wild is proof of a bad design and a bad implementation. UNIX has a design that has been stable for many, many, years. Windows is the product of taking something dodgy and hacking core systems endlessly, it's just a mess.
Why do you think SELinux was developed by the NSA? Because Linux with its "proven design" was woefully inadequate for government work - a task for which Windows is certified but only few Linuxes - those with SELinux).
Yes NSA wrote SELinux, anyone can contribute to Linux or the BSD's. Good on the NSA for using tax dollars for something useful. Government certification has nothing to do with product quality. It's about how much time and money the vendor can sink into paying for a certification.
We keep hearing about this "superior" Unix security design. But it is always referred to in the abstract with no details.
All the details are on the internet, literally everything. The LKML is archived publicly in various places so you can read that. The source for every version is publicly available should you want to read it. You can audit the source yourself or pay people to do it if you like, no need for fees, contracts, or NDA's. Where can I get the whole current source code for windows? Oh, I can't unless I'm the US government.
I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what the eye witnesses say, but based on what I can find..
In every police killing I remember hearing about the story changes a number of times in the next few months. There was a case of man shot and killed by police in London a few years ago. The first story to come out was that a dangerous and known criminal pointed a shotgun at the police who had no choice but to shoot first to disarm the lunatic.
The final version was thet this man was walking home with a table leg in a bag that his friend had just repaired. Someone assumed it was a gun and called the police. When the police turned up they approached him from behind and shouted at him. As soon as he turned and they saw he was carrying something they shot him. He didn't have any weapons and wasn't acting in a hostile way. He was just walking home with an odd shaped object.
You will have to wait 6 months before the real story is known, if it ever is.
Maybe everyone in the US knows the backstory but i didn't so I googled it. Here is what I found:
On the 3 July 2011 a BART ( Bay Area Rapid Transport ) police officer shot dead Charles Hill ( 45 ). It appears Mr Hill was drunk but other than that stories vary wildly. No version of the story states Mr Hill had a gun, some versions say he was acting in a threatening manner with a bottle of drink. The controversy appears to be due to a police officer shooting an unarmed man when he had and should have used a taser.
Story:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/07/charles_hill_identified_as_man.php
Video ( that misses the real action ):
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/07/charles_hill_bart_shooting_vid.php
There is a typo in the summary and here is the correction:
"It's taken Microsoft 100 years to turn security from a weakness into a strength and it is still not as good as Unix."
The important part being it's not as good as _ANY_ Unix, free or non-free.
I think the writer meant 'shambles' but spelled it wrong and it somehow it got spell checked to 'strength'.
Comment away, maybe that'll make Linux relevant on desktops.
Ubuntu works better than windows on desktops. It's more secure, it's free, doesn't need a virus scanner because it's designed properly, and it comes with bucket loads of great software at no extra charge.
But if you like expensive, slow, and bug ridden OS's that team with viruses feel free to use windows. It's totally up to you.
'It's taken Microsoft 10 years to turn security from a weakness into a strength.
Microsoft security isn't a strength, it's mediocre at best. This statement is just blatantly false.
Apple have problems but they are fixable because they started with a solid proven design, UNIX. Microsoft never had that advantage.
[sarcasm]Yeah, we all know the only thing the government, police, and army of any country does is abuse its own people. We all know that's the only reason for their existence. They couldn't have any legitimate reason for existing.[/sarcasm]
That's a straw man and does nothing to disprove my point. Civilians are not normally in a position to supress information about their wrongdoings.
You are talking out of your arse, 50 is old enough to be out of touch with some of the social uses of electronic communications my dear spawn. But I don't agree that we are out of touch with the technology, after all we have been using it a lot longer than you. Back in the day before everything became magic, you might buy a computer for fun that you programmed with machine code. I imagine that we know far better how the guts of the world work than you do.
Now if you want to moan about the fact that society is run by Philosophy Politics and Economics graduates then you might have stumbled upon something. How any person can be allowed to run for elected office who doesn't have a clue how industry, technology, biology is shaping our society is beyond me.
I'm under 40 and I didn't use computers at school, my school had computers but they were too expensive for students to touch. As far as I remember I was only ever allowed in the magical computer room once and then I was yelled at to not touch the magic computers. How you got access to computers over 10 years earlier is a mystery to me.
Seeing as you are posting on slashdot you are not a typical 50 year old. I've found people your age who work with IT, science, engineering, or math have good computer skills. However many who don't have an interest in these fields struggle to send email. Politicals care about money and power, not science. I doubt most of them could find the on switch without help. And those are the idiots who get to say when social networking gets turned off.. It won't work.
Just a random enquiry, do you think that getting your stomach ripped out in Afghanistan by an IUD full of nails is solvable by picking up some power up pills off the floor just like the awesome video games that you play?
You mean an IED? I think you lost it on that question. Maybe you overdosed your power up pills. ( I'm joking )
Comparing raping to turning off social media temporarily for the good of society? Are the updates about your friend's cat that important to you?
The updates about government, police, and army abuses around the world are. If the police ( in any country ) know they can't cover up abuses they are less likely to abuse their position.
More to the point, the problem here isn't social media, rather it is that the police feel its okay to shoot kids and the kids feel its okay to loot and riot. Both of which can occur just as well with or without social media.
Youtube has done a lot of good by bringing police abuses in many countries to the public attention. Video shows exactly what happened with no room for bias. Freedom of social networks and media in general is something we should defend.
"Who is the youngest MP?
The youngest MP is Pamela Nash, Labour MP for Airdrie and Shotts, aged 26.
What is the average age of an MP?
- http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/members-faq-page2/
Following the general election of 2010, the average age of an MP was 50."
Hardly "old" 70 on is "old" 50 is middle aged and 26 is barely out of nappies.
50 is old enough to be seriously out of touch with electronic communications. We are talking about 50 year olds that don't work in IT or any related field and who went to school back when computers didn't exist and international phone calls had to be booked via an operator. Their main skills are manipulating people not technology.
Feeling aggressive? It seems to be going around. I lived in Enfield for many years and I lived in Tottenham. I've seen the situation the police have caused. Some of them are perfectly reasonable but a lot are just out to get black men.
Protests against anything often turn into protests against everything including innocent victims. The looters were just taking advantage of the situation the police killing caused.
I've no mod points, but as someone who has lived all over London (New Cross, Waterloo, Hampstead and now Enfield) I couldn't agree more. This is not about police brutality, over use of stop and search tactics or lack of opportunity. This is about feckless scum who want a new pair of trainers
It it's about scum wanting new trainers then why were the first two things to get destroyed both police cars?
No doubt there are a lot of casual thieves taking advantage of the situation but the rioting was started by a police killing. The Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson incidents are still more or less fresh in people's memories.
I am never amazed at the sense of helplessness I get from Europeans. They expect the government to do everything for and when it doesn't, for some reason petty theft is "justified". Pathetic.
That's not why people are rioting. At least that's only a small part of it, it's more complex.
The minimum I expect of a government is not to kill innocent civilians. The UK police killed Jean Charles de Menezes, they killed Ian Tomlinson, both totally innocent people. When it looked like they killed another innocent, Mark Duggan, certain people wanted to correct the injustice. It should be noted that even though Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson were both innocent of any crime no officers were ever prosecuted for their killings. The IPCC whitewashed both killings thus reducing trust in the police service even more.
The whole stop and search without even the suspicion of a crime experiment is alienating great numbers of law abiding people.
Recent tax raises and high inflation is making a lot of people really angry.
Paying freaking billions for the Olympics when more important things are being neglected is reckless and stupid and the people don't get any say in it. This only makes them more angry.
Voting in a new government didn't change anything. Just more broken promises to be angry about.
It is about class. It's about a class of people who were sick with the police abusing them.
Oh, ok. In that case, when can we expect to see a riot of middle-class people who are sick with the gangs and criminals abusing them? I can just picture it now: a bunch of lawyers and businessmen with torches and pitchforks, burning down the ghetto and beating up anyone wearing 'bling' or a hoody.
Whattayamean that never happens? Why not?
The middle classes have less to be angry about so it takes more to push them to violence. However it's happening right now. Lots of people are grouping up to defend their communities. You can bet they will go way beyond the law should they actually get hold of any rioters. The authorities are appealing for them to go home and let the police handle it.
The police have abused their anti-terror powers beyond all reason and they have killed two innocent people in recent history not counting the recent shooting which is still unknown.
Yeah! Just like those bus drivers who keep abusing their power, and have killed at least 3 innocent people this year alone! I totally get why the rioters were torching busses.
The bus was just an easy target. These rioters hadn't exactly planned it out, as soon as they realized the police could not stop them they just attacked whatever was nearest.
I never said the police killed 3 people this year, I said in recent history. I'm referring to Ian Tomlinson who died after being assaulted by a police officer whilst walking home. There is video of this on youtube, he didn't so much as glance at the police, was just an walking home innocently. I'm also referring to Jean Charles de Menezes who was followed onto a train, held down by 3 police, and shot in the head seven times with hollow point bullets. This was in the middle of a busy train. He was also innocent of any known crime. In both of these cases the IPCC whitewashed the whole thing. The third killing I'm referring to is Mark Duggan. We still don't really know what happened there.
The police got away with some nasty things, they broke the social contract by killing those they should have protected and the result was the break down of law and order.
Fighting with the police does not solve anything. Burning things does not solve anything.
Nor does anything else. Voting didn't solve anything, they just got different self-interested people making the same old excuses whilst fiddling expenses.
So what's left? Peaceful protest? That didn't make any difference with the millions that protested the Iraq war, it's clear it's not going to make any difference on anything else. It's clear the government and the police either don't care or are outright hostile to the people they are meant to be serving.
At least this way the rioters got some attention, the whole world knows they are pissed off and is wondering why.
Where did so much hate and anger come from?
The police's attitude towards the public, politicians who fiddle expenses, poor education, and cuts to public services like youth schemes.
Did I mention the police killed 3 people recently, 2 of which were totally innocent?