But for that matter, Linux doesn't have malware only because it's desktop share is next to nothing (not the same amount atleast, there are Linux viruses out too). Mac OSX has been getting more and more viruses lately as it's marketshare has been growing.
There are more than enough unix and linux machines on the net to make them a viable target yet these machines don't seem have the same problems. They do get cracked but normally due to bad PHP code or people setting guessable passwords.
Windows doesn't get viruses because lots of people use it, it gets viruses because it has a thrown together design and it's poorly implemented.
There are people out there that no matter what you do will still make stupid mistakes anyway for the dumbest reasons and then they'll be angry with you for not magically protecting them from their own incompetence.
Your only real solution is to either keep cleaning up after them or try and get their internet access revoked somehow.
I have much the same experiences. I find that firewalling everything and forcing users to use a web proxy and mail gateway works pretty well. There is no reason for having office staff able to directly contact the Internet on any port.
Why cant users choose their own level of security - idiots be dammed. But I bet you find a whole bunch of people wise-up really fast.:P
You could try it but I doubt it will make your life easier. Most users don't understand and don't care and will expect you to fix their mistakes over and over again. Most of them have some kind of twisted pride in their ignorance.
There was research done on office staff by flashing up random warning messages on their screens, most users ignored the messages no matter what they said, clicked anything to get rid of the message, and immediately forgot there was even a message.
But we've heard for well over a decade now that "any time now", Linux is going to have its day and "threaten Windows for dominance".... and it never really happens.
It has happened on servers. People replace windows servers with linux servers all the time and find they are faster, more stable, and easier to manage. A lot of places will blindly stick to windows because that's what they know but that has always happened. A lot of old companies blindly stick to os/390, VMS, and other legacy stuff too.
So you are saying a OS that's so badly designed it needs virus scanner add-ons just to stop rogue files trashing it is better than one that just works?
Windows isn't ready for mass deployment and never has been. Ubuntu isn't perfect but it is better than windows in most of the ways that count.
Ubuntu is nowhere near ready for prime time, and I don't care what its' fans try and say.
Maybe, maybe not. Windows has never been stable or secure enough for large scale use or use on a public network; The fact botnets exist is proof of that. However windows is still used all over the place.
Replacing something bad with something less bad is still progress.
Has anyone here been able to find a good guide for joining a Linux client to an AD domain?
I've seen it done. The basic problem is that AD is not 'just LDAP', it's only been tested to work with windows and isn't very stable when given valid LDAP from a non-windows client.
If there is any other way don't do it, it's far more pain than it's worth.
Because that's how much it would cost to have an Indian replace their job if they cant adapt.
$2000 for the replacement Indian for a year. $200,000 in fixing the damage after the company finds the Indian was totally unskilled and has also stolen the company client database.
$2,000 US to upgrade per machine? I don't know what in the heck IBM is talking about. I've been running Windows 7 on a two year old $500 laptop without any issues since Beta. They are easily over exagerating that cost...
500 Dollars user training and providing a helpdesk, at least 2000 Dollars lost productivity per user over the next year. A few hundred per user replacing and testing various bits of software and fixing the breakages. Changing OS's is expensive and disruptive and only looks cheap if you don't take the real costs into account.
I just got a despatch Notification from Amazon that my Windows 7 Home Premium is in the Royal Mail... so I'll maybe get it tomorrow, but probably next week if the strike goes ahead.
By the end of next week you should have a nice collection of virii and by the end of the following week both China and Russia with have copies of all your documents and your Internet banking password.
I actually like Win7 a lot myself, it's now leapfrogged Linux+Gnome and OSX as my favorite OS interface.
The problem is it's all interface.. The OS hasn't changed much since NT other than a few bolt-ons. It's a total mess inside and because of that it's never going to be secure.
Faster than vista and prettier isn't nearly good enough.
And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it,
Some people like to be beaten, whipped, and degraded. Personally I just want an OS that works consistently and windows never has, this release isn't going to be any different.
No, it will be TCP/IP with a pinch of Microsoft proprietary.
All they really need to do is change the way IP calculates checksums. It will break compatibility and use the same grade of security Microsoft are used it.
The "our house our rules" mentality is bullshit. They are taking peoples money, not offering a fair game. Whenever someone starts to win- they kick them out. That just simply isn't fair to whoever was winning.
It's fair. As a gambler you also have the right to walk away from the game whenever you like to take your winnings or cut your losses.
However if they didn't have a house edge they would not stay in business so gamblers always lose in the long term.
The real question is; will casino's allow you to cash in your winnings to do they kick you out AND keep the money?
Card counting isn't illegal. You get you keep what you have won so far. They can legally kick you out and ban you any time they like but they can't deprive you of property you legally own.
Casino's love a few winners. They give the losers hope and keep them playing and the house always wins in the end.
Yeah, because people (like myself) who are using Windows 7 and like it are all just MS shills/drones. Don't be an asshole.
Not everyone that defends Microsoft, windows, whatever on here is a MS astroturfer but it's clear that some are.
Some comments are little more than copy and paste jobs and don't look like they were written in response to the story or the parent. The post by Sandbags (964742) above was just a list of marketing fluff and flawed points. It was the kind of rubbish a marketer would spout not the kind of argument even the biggest MS fan would say.
or some free copy because i sure as hell am not going to spend money on it if i decide i dont like and/or dont want it, better consider that, do YOU want to spend a large sum of folding money on an OS that you might not even like and end up being just another ignored CDrom on a bookshelf gathering dust?
Even at free the TCO is way higher than something modern and stable like Ubuntu.
Why anyone would want to use an OS that is so flaky you need special software to run every file it touches though virus checks? They designed it wrong, built it badly, and never change design choices once they are made. It's crapware with a pretty GUI over the top.
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But for that matter, Linux doesn't have malware only because it's desktop share is next to nothing (not the same amount atleast, there are Linux viruses out too). Mac OSX has been getting more and more viruses lately as it's marketshare has been growing.
There are more than enough unix and linux machines on the net to make them a viable target yet these machines don't seem have the same problems. They do get cracked but normally due to bad PHP code or people setting guessable passwords.
Windows doesn't get viruses because lots of people use it, it gets viruses because it has a thrown together design and it's poorly implemented.
I did find this:
http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2008/09/study-confirms-users-are-idiots.ars
I'm not sure if it's the study I was thinking of though.
There are people out there that no matter what you do will still make stupid mistakes anyway for the dumbest reasons and then they'll be angry with you for not magically protecting them from their own incompetence.
Your only real solution is to either keep cleaning up after them or try and get their internet access revoked somehow.
I have much the same experiences. I find that firewalling everything and forcing users to use a web proxy and mail gateway works pretty well. There is no reason for having office staff able to directly contact the Internet on any port.
Why cant users choose their own level of security - idiots be dammed. But I bet you find a whole bunch of people wise-up really fast. :P
You could try it but I doubt it will make your life easier. Most users don't understand and don't care and will expect you to fix their mistakes over and over again. Most of them have some kind of twisted pride in their ignorance.
There was research done on office staff by flashing up random warning messages on their screens, most users ignored the messages no matter what they said, clicked anything to get rid of the message, and immediately forgot there was even a message.
But we've heard for well over a decade now that "any time now", Linux is going to have its day and "threaten Windows for dominance" .... and it never really happens.
It has happened on servers. People replace windows servers with linux servers all the time and find they are faster, more stable, and easier to manage. A lot of places will blindly stick to windows because that's what they know but that has always happened. A lot of old companies blindly stick to os/390, VMS, and other legacy stuff too.
So you are saying a OS that's so badly designed it needs virus scanner add-ons just to stop rogue files trashing it is better than one that just works?
Windows isn't ready for mass deployment and never has been. Ubuntu isn't perfect but it is better than windows in most of the ways that count.
I know the Nigerian Scam Police. They keep sending me emails claiming they are the FBI.
Did they have to make it sound like they released the source code to the classic game?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.E.R.O.
Prove we are overpopulated.
I can't prove we are overpopulated right now, but I can prove we are either overpopulated now or will be in the near future.
Exponential growth is not stable in any finite system.
Ubuntu is nowhere near ready for prime time, and I don't care what its' fans try and say.
Maybe, maybe not. Windows has never been stable or secure enough for large scale use or use on a public network; The fact botnets exist is proof of that. However windows is still used all over the place.
Replacing something bad with something less bad is still progress.
Has anyone here been able to find a good guide for joining a Linux client to an AD domain?
I've seen it done. The basic problem is that AD is not 'just LDAP', it's only been tested to work with windows and isn't very stable when given valid LDAP from a non-windows client.
If there is any other way don't do it, it's far more pain than it's worth.
Because that's how much it would cost to have an Indian replace their job if they cant adapt.
$2000 for the replacement Indian for a year. $200,000 in fixing the damage after the company finds the Indian was totally unskilled and has also stolen the company client database.
$2,000 US to upgrade per machine? I don't know what in the heck IBM is talking about. I've been running Windows 7 on a two year old $500 laptop without any issues since Beta. They are easily over exagerating that cost...
500 Dollars user training and providing a helpdesk, at least 2000 Dollars lost productivity per user over the next year. A few hundred per user replacing and testing various bits of software and fixing the breakages. Changing OS's is expensive and disruptive and only looks cheap if you don't take the real costs into account.
I just got a despatch Notification from Amazon that my Windows 7 Home Premium is in the Royal Mail... so I'll maybe get it tomorrow, but probably next week if the strike goes ahead.
By the end of next week you should have a nice collection of virii and by the end of the following week both China and Russia with have copies of all your documents and your Internet banking password.
new here?
I actually like Win7 a lot myself, it's now leapfrogged Linux+Gnome and OSX as my favorite OS interface.
The problem is it's all interface.. The OS hasn't changed much since NT other than a few bolt-ons. It's a total mess inside and because of that it's never going to be secure.
Faster than vista and prettier isn't nearly good enough.
And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it,
Some people like to be beaten, whipped, and degraded. Personally I just want an OS that works consistently and windows never has, this release isn't going to be any different.
No, it will be TCP/IP with a pinch of Microsoft proprietary.
All they really need to do is change the way IP calculates checksums. It will break compatibility and use the same grade of security Microsoft are used it.
Perhaps it is just for the IPv6 spec with the 6 crossed out and 7 in its place after all.
There alredy is a IPv7:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-ipversion7-00
Microsoft [1] was the one that helped invent and standardize DHCP.
Eh? RFC2131 says Bucknell University on it. There is no mention of 'microsoft' or 'windows' in it.
What makes you think Microsoft had anything to do with the invention of DHCP?
Sopssa, you have no point to make but you waste a lot of words making it.
Microsoft have a really bad history of implementing open protocols and are therefore not the right people to design a new one.
The "our house our rules" mentality is bullshit. They are taking peoples money, not offering a fair game. Whenever someone starts to win- they kick them out. That just simply isn't fair to whoever was winning.
It's fair. As a gambler you also have the right to walk away from the game whenever you like to take your winnings or cut your losses.
However if they didn't have a house edge they would not stay in business so gamblers always lose in the long term.
The real question is; will casino's allow you to cash in your winnings to do they kick you out AND keep the money?
Card counting isn't illegal. You get you keep what you have won so far. They can legally kick you out and ban you any time they like but they can't deprive you of property you legally own.
Casino's love a few winners. They give the losers hope and keep them playing and the house always wins in the end.
Yeah, because people (like myself) who are using Windows 7 and like it are all just MS shills/drones. Don't be an asshole.
Not everyone that defends Microsoft, windows, whatever on here is a MS astroturfer but it's clear that some are.
Some comments are little more than copy and paste jobs and don't look like they were written in response to the story or the parent. The post by Sandbags (964742) above was just a list of marketing fluff and flawed points. It was the kind of rubbish a marketer would spout not the kind of argument even the biggest MS fan would say.
or some free copy because i sure as hell am not going to spend money on it if i decide i dont like and/or dont want it, better consider that, do YOU want to spend a large sum of folding money on an OS that you might not even like and end up being just another ignored CDrom on a bookshelf gathering dust?
Even at free the TCO is way higher than something modern and stable like Ubuntu.
Why anyone would want to use an OS that is so flaky you need special software to run every file it touches though virus checks? They designed it wrong, built it badly, and never change design choices once they are made. It's crapware with a pretty GUI over the top.
Do you shills actually think checkbox marketing is going to fly with this crowd?
I doubt they do, but they have to try anyway. After all thats what they are paid to do.
Slashdot needs some kind of filter to get rid of Microsoft marketing drones.