This is a day I thought I'd never see.
Wow! I started with Suse 5.2 back in 1998 and all those wasted years we dreamt of something like this and it's finally going to happen. World will never be the way it was if this will really happen.
Too bad I'm too old now to actually enjoy this, but I will rejoice anyway just to support this. Now I'm a middle aged man, almost 40 years old, not interested to play Max Payne on my Slackware linux-box any more. All those wasted years.
Sun has set. It happened the day Oracle bought Sun. I want to personally thank each and every Sun employee who ever got anything to do with the amazing Solaris OS. Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEUGF3NGbPg
I'm very sad to witness this mess, but I suppose it's just best to accept the fact that Solaris ceased to exist the day Oracle bought Sun. Solaris is and never will be the Solaris we old hackers got to know and love. Maybe it's better to accept it and move on. Still - very sad thing.
You wrote: "I find it pathetic that you have posted 3+ times about Nokia having "bad hardware" but haven't given a single example. "
Well, I find it pathetic that you don't read what I write. I have mentioned N97 and N900 in this thread. Both of these have very crappy hardware. You don't believe me? Please do a search on Google if you don't believe me. I have used both, but please Google around if you don't believe me. I can easily name other models too if this wasn't enough.
You wrote: "Nokia has a significant market share in mobile world." Yeah, but that's decreasing at an alarming rate! Right now Samsung has passed Nokia, the world's biggest maker of mobile phones, in shipments of low-end handsets to Western Europe in the first quarter. This is very, very alarming news to Nokia supporters. Nokia has been strong in that area, but is losing now basically everywhere.
You wrote: "It's not the hardware, it's the GNU/Linux software. And just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean it isn't the best available from the perspectives of people who'd like a GNU/Linux computer in their pocket.".
Do you really believe GNU/Linux software will bring Nokia back to top? I don't think so. I've been using Linux since 1998 and I love Linux, but I can't come up with any more than a handful of Linux applications that I'd actually want to run on my cellphone.
Traditionally >90% of the finnish people have been using Nokia phones, but this is changing now very, very rapidly. Nokia is seen as a "lamers choice" in Finland at the moment and the youth + older people are buying Android phones and iPhones more and more every day. Nokia is seen as a loser here in Finland at the moment. Well - let's face it - Nokia is a loser! 70% market value drop in recent 2-3 years - that's just something that's hard to believe, but unfortunately it is true.
You wrote: "The only fix for Nokia now is to go Android, then the fact they make nice hardware means something again.". Nokia has been well known for making good quality phones, but this is not the reality any more. Hasn't been for past 2-3 years. Flagship product N97 had so many flaws you can not even list them here. Do a google search. N900's hardware has been a nightmare! Just browse talk.maemo.org and you will see why if you are not aware already. Nokia phones used to be good quality phones some 2-3 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case any more.
N900? What makes N900 hardware so special compared to other smartphones out there? Please, go ahead and enlighten us on this.
You also wrote: "As far as I'm concerned the only thing Nokia is missing is a better marketing campaign for their product that compares very favorably with the Apple and Android offerings."
Wait a second - compares very favorably? Would you please tell us how. I'm not seeing it. I think N900 is another major flop, but maybe that's only because I happen to live in Finland. Perhaps N900 has been a major success story somewhere else. Please tell me more.
Nokia is significantly bigger and richer then apple, roughly by about 4 times.
Absolutely not true. Apple is, in fact more valuable than Nokia and it is also making more profit than Nokia at the moment.
Apple's market-value is roughly 147 billion dollars at the moment where Nokia's market-value is only about 50 billion dollars.
If Nokia's market-value keeps on sinking like it has been doing for a long time now Apple could soon buy Nokia.
because American cars for the most part still fall below Japanese standards.
WOW! Really?! Is that really so? Let me tell you something - my 1966 Chevrolet Impala 2DHT Sport Coupe still runs great and looks great and I get the most joy when I drive it! I don't see too many of those 80s Japanese cars here in Finland these days, because those Japanese cars have rusted away!
The way I see it - USA is the ONLY country where QUALITY cars were built that didn't cost a million. Quality cars would still be built in USA _IF_ you people would have appreciated your own country's products, but you wanted to get your cars cheap. My jewel - 1966 Impala 2DHT Sport Coupe was built here.
Couldn't agree more. Do as I said and mod the parent up.
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I don't think Oracle linux isn't enterprise class, I just think linux suffers a stigma of gross amateurism.
I'm Unix administrator in Fortune 200 company so I guess I should know what Enterprise class is. Did you happen to see the list of other partners who joined the Unbreakable Linux program? Have a look. Hmm.. let's see. HP, IBM, EMC, BMC..etc.
Linux with EMC Symmetrix high end fibre channel storage support, Linux with HP Service Guard mission critical high availability cluster management software, Linux with BMC enterprise class system monitoring tools... Hmm, well, I'd say that's pretty Enterprise class - in fact, that's as much of Enterprise class as you can possibly get today. All these solutions I mentioned have been implemented in Linux today - they are right here, right now. We're not talking about future.
Hmm.. Really? Do you know what you are talking about? If what you're saying is true then I really have to wonder why high-end hardware mixer manufacturers are funding and using Ardour? These companies are one of the leading companies in the industry.
"The Ardour project is happy to be able to announce the involvement and support of Solid State Logic (SSL), one of the most respected and trusted names in the field of audio technology. SSL has chosen to support Ardour's development and to promote the idea of its broader adoption within the audio technology industry."
Even the Amiga vision and sense of community has been fulfilled by Linux
Exactly. And you know why that has happened? It's because the creativity is there within the Linux community. Linux coders have free hands to do whatever they want to and create freely whatever comes to their mind without any deadlines. This is why commercial software will eventually fail - nowadays shareholders want more and more done within less and less time - this will result in bad code. Linux is free of all that crap. Nobody is pushing Linux coders, they have the time to make it right. They have the time to be creative. It's not possible to do that anymore if you're a coder in some software company. There are deadlines and shareholders that are making your job miserable.
Core2duo processors seem very attractive - nobody can deny that. HERE you can find Tom's Hardware benchmarks of Core2Duo against AMD processors.
However, another interesting thing is that Intel is very open source friendly. Intel's new top of the line graphics adapters (found on some core2duo motherboards) have _FULLY_ open source Linux drivers! That is a _BIG_ thing! You can find more information HERE. Imagine! Now you can have fully open source OS without any binary drivers messing up your system. These on board graphics adapters are also very fast and capable, so it's a big thing to many of us.
Nothing new here. Here in Finland F-Secure is spreading FUD on Finnish television every now and then. Finnish television often uses F-secure's "experts" on news programs and such. Sometimes it is painful to watch how these "experts" feed FUD to average persons through television news.
It is nice to notice that there are some people who keep on developing MPlayer, but let's not forget A'rpi! A'rpi is the man who has saved our days so many times in the past! I remember those days in 2000 / 2001 when there was not a single decent video player (yeah, I tried them all) for Linux and then I discovered MPlayer. Microsoft's.asf was hot format back then and soon you could watch.asf videos with MPlayer on Linux. I remember the feeling I had when that was possible. It was like "Fxxk you Microsoft, you can keep your codecs secret, but A'rpi can crack 'em anyway".
So, Thank You A'rpi! For all your efforts! What you have created is the best mediaplayer on this planet. Period.
But this tools are no pro if you compare them to the windows tools. So linux has neither support for pro-audio tools.
Oh really? That's pretty weird. Please tell me what we are lacking? In what sense Ardour is not capable for pro-audio? Please tell me, I'm truly interested to hear that.
Maybe you didn't know that, but Linux ALSA supports high end audio cards like RME Hammerfall 100%. It is also possible to use VST plugins with JACK audio connection kit. Also, JACK is the most advanced way to share audio between different audio apps on _ANY_ platform.
Hey, it's funny! You know what I heard? Highend mixing console designer Harrison (one of the leading manufacturers in business) supports Ardour and actually promotes it to it's customers! What the hell? How can this be? Oh no, they favor Ardour over Pro-Tools! No! This must not be true! It's Linux software, it's not Windows software so it can not be pro-audio tool! Yeah right. Are you familiar with Ardour? Did you know that it outperforms ProTools on similar hardware? Perhaps you should actually learn about Linux audio before you open your mouth.
HP-UX has way more enterprise level tools than AIX could ever offer. And most of these tools are either already ported to Linux or will be ported in near future. Ever heard of HP Serviceguard? No buddy, it's not something you can eat.
Your comment "I find this laughable at best" makes _you_ look laughable to say the least.
It's from TheOnion. You do know that the article's not real, right? If you did, and I missed your sarcasm, I apologize. It is a joke newspaper. They make spoof stories. It is not real.
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This is a day I thought I'd never see. Wow! I started with Suse 5.2 back in 1998 and all those wasted years we dreamt of something like this and it's finally going to happen. World will never be the way it was if this will really happen. Too bad I'm too old now to actually enjoy this, but I will rejoice anyway just to support this. Now I'm a middle aged man, almost 40 years old, not interested to play Max Payne on my Slackware linux-box any more. All those wasted years.
I don't believe in Oracle Solaris. Sorry.
Sun has set. It happened the day Oracle bought Sun. I want to personally thank each and every Sun employee who ever got anything to do with the amazing Solaris OS. Thank you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEUGF3NGbPg
I'm very sad to witness this mess, but I suppose it's just best to accept the fact that Solaris ceased to exist the day Oracle bought Sun. Solaris is and never will be the Solaris we old hackers got to know and love. Maybe it's better to accept it and move on. Still - very sad thing.
You wrote: "I find it pathetic that you have posted 3+ times about Nokia having "bad hardware" but haven't given a single example. " Well, I find it pathetic that you don't read what I write. I have mentioned N97 and N900 in this thread. Both of these have very crappy hardware. You don't believe me? Please do a search on Google if you don't believe me. I have used both, but please Google around if you don't believe me. I can easily name other models too if this wasn't enough.
You wrote: "Nokia has a significant market share in mobile world." Yeah, but that's decreasing at an alarming rate! Right now Samsung has passed Nokia, the world's biggest maker of mobile phones, in shipments of low-end handsets to Western Europe in the first quarter. This is very, very alarming news to Nokia supporters. Nokia has been strong in that area, but is losing now basically everywhere.
You wrote: "It's not the hardware, it's the GNU/Linux software. And just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean it isn't the best available from the perspectives of people who'd like a GNU/Linux computer in their pocket.". Do you really believe GNU/Linux software will bring Nokia back to top? I don't think so. I've been using Linux since 1998 and I love Linux, but I can't come up with any more than a handful of Linux applications that I'd actually want to run on my cellphone.
Traditionally >90% of the finnish people have been using Nokia phones, but this is changing now very, very rapidly. Nokia is seen as a "lamers choice" in Finland at the moment and the youth + older people are buying Android phones and iPhones more and more every day. Nokia is seen as a loser here in Finland at the moment. Well - let's face it - Nokia is a loser! 70% market value drop in recent 2-3 years - that's just something that's hard to believe, but unfortunately it is true.
You wrote: "The only fix for Nokia now is to go Android, then the fact they make nice hardware means something again.". Nokia has been well known for making good quality phones, but this is not the reality any more. Hasn't been for past 2-3 years. Flagship product N97 had so many flaws you can not even list them here. Do a google search. N900's hardware has been a nightmare! Just browse talk.maemo.org and you will see why if you are not aware already. Nokia phones used to be good quality phones some 2-3 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case any more.
N900? What makes N900 hardware so special compared to other smartphones out there? Please, go ahead and enlighten us on this. You also wrote: "As far as I'm concerned the only thing Nokia is missing is a better marketing campaign for their product that compares very favorably with the Apple and Android offerings." Wait a second - compares very favorably? Would you please tell us how. I'm not seeing it. I think N900 is another major flop, but maybe that's only because I happen to live in Finland. Perhaps N900 has been a major success story somewhere else. Please tell me more.
Nokia is significantly bigger and richer then apple, roughly by about 4 times.
Absolutely not true. Apple is, in fact more valuable than Nokia and it is also making more profit than Nokia at the moment. Apple's market-value is roughly 147 billion dollars at the moment where Nokia's market-value is only about 50 billion dollars. If Nokia's market-value keeps on sinking like it has been doing for a long time now Apple could soon buy Nokia.
because American cars for the most part still fall below Japanese standards.
WOW! Really?! Is that really so? Let me tell you something - my 1966 Chevrolet Impala 2DHT Sport Coupe still runs great and looks great and I get the most joy when I drive it! I don't see too many of those 80s Japanese cars here in Finland these days, because those Japanese cars have rusted away!
The way I see it - USA is the ONLY country where QUALITY cars were built that didn't cost a million. Quality cars would still be built in USA _IF_ you people would have appreciated your own country's products, but you wanted to get your cars cheap. My jewel - 1966 Impala 2DHT Sport Coupe was built here.
Couldn't agree more. Do as I said and mod the parent up.
I don't think Oracle linux isn't enterprise class, I just think linux suffers a stigma of gross amateurism.
I'm Unix administrator in Fortune 200 company so I guess I should know what Enterprise class is. Did you happen to see the list of other partners who joined the Unbreakable Linux program? Have a look. Hmm.. let's see. HP, IBM, EMC, BMC..etc.
Linux with EMC Symmetrix high end fibre channel storage support, Linux with HP Service Guard mission critical high availability cluster management software, Linux with BMC enterprise class system monitoring tools... Hmm, well, I'd say that's pretty Enterprise class - in fact, that's as much of Enterprise class as you can possibly get today. All these solutions I mentioned have been implemented in Linux today - they are right here, right now. We're not talking about future.
Hmm.. Really? Do you know what you are talking about? If what you're saying is true then I really have to wonder why high-end hardware mixer manufacturers are funding and using Ardour? These companies are one of the leading companies in the industry.
"The Ardour project is happy to be able to announce the involvement and support of Solid State Logic (SSL), one of the most respected and trusted names in the field of audio technology. SSL has chosen to support Ardour's development and to promote the idea of its broader adoption within the audio technology industry."
Solid State Logic
Harrison/GLW
Even the Amiga vision and sense of community has been fulfilled by Linux
Exactly. And you know why that has happened? It's because the creativity is there within the Linux community. Linux coders have free hands to do whatever they want to and create freely whatever comes to their mind without any deadlines. This is why commercial software will eventually fail - nowadays shareholders want more and more done within less and less time - this will result in bad code. Linux is free of all that crap. Nobody is pushing Linux coders, they have the time to make it right. They have the time to be creative. It's not possible to do that anymore if you're a coder in some software company. There are deadlines and shareholders that are making your job miserable.
Core2duo processors seem very attractive - nobody can deny that. HERE you can find Tom's Hardware benchmarks of Core2Duo against AMD processors.
However, another interesting thing is that Intel is very open source friendly. Intel's new top of the line graphics adapters (found on some core2duo motherboards) have _FULLY_ open source Linux drivers! That is a _BIG_ thing! You can find more information HERE. Imagine! Now you can have fully open source OS without any binary drivers messing up your system. These on board graphics adapters are also very fast and capable, so it's a big thing to many of us.
Nothing new here. Here in Finland F-Secure is spreading FUD on Finnish television every now and then. Finnish television often uses F-secure's "experts" on news programs and such. Sometimes it is painful to watch how these "experts" feed FUD to average persons through television news.
It is nice to notice that there are some people who keep on developing MPlayer, but let's not forget A'rpi! A'rpi is the man who has saved our days so many times in the past! I remember those days in 2000 / 2001 when there was not a single decent video player (yeah, I tried them all) for Linux and then I discovered MPlayer. Microsoft's .asf was hot format back then and soon you could watch .asf videos with MPlayer on Linux. I remember the feeling I had when that was possible. It was like "Fxxk you Microsoft, you can keep your codecs secret, but A'rpi can crack 'em anyway".
So, Thank You A'rpi! For all your efforts! What you have created is the best mediaplayer on this planet. Period.
But this tools are no pro if you compare them to the windows tools. So linux has neither support for pro-audio tools.
Oh really? That's pretty weird. Please tell me what we are lacking? In what sense Ardour is not capable for pro-audio? Please tell me, I'm truly interested to hear that.
Maybe you didn't know that, but Linux ALSA supports high end audio cards like RME Hammerfall 100%. It is also possible to use VST plugins with JACK audio connection kit. Also, JACK is the most advanced way to share audio between different audio apps on _ANY_ platform.
Hey, it's funny! You know what I heard? Highend mixing console designer Harrison (one of the leading manufacturers in business) supports Ardour and actually promotes it to it's customers! What the hell? How can this be? Oh no, they favor Ardour over Pro-Tools! No! This must not be true! It's Linux software, it's not Windows software so it can not be pro-audio tool! Yeah right. Are you familiar with Ardour? Did you know that it outperforms ProTools on similar hardware? Perhaps you should actually learn about Linux audio before you open your mouth.
You can find more demo videos here.
http://cto.secs.oakland.edu/~castro/NLD10video/
HP-UX has way more enterprise level tools than AIX could ever offer. And most of these tools are either already ported to Linux or will be ported in near future. Ever heard of HP Serviceguard? No buddy, it's not something you can eat.
Your comment "I find this laughable at best" makes _you_ look laughable to say the least.
It's from TheOnion. You do know that the article's not real, right? If you did, and I missed your sarcasm, I apologize. It is a joke newspaper. They make spoof stories. It is not real.
Oh yeah? And you'll just need to pay extra $50 to enable the full screen mode?
The deal produces revenue for us and this allows us to hire more open source developers.
Fuck you! That's BS!