>That's bullshit, the latter (end to all proprietary software) does not require the former (ruin your software business).
What's BS? the goals of the GPL(which is true) or that software comapnies can't make money?
There will always be demand for softare certainily unique software. No smart company is going to pay lotsa cash to pay someone to write software and then let everyone else use it for free. That would just be foolish business. Rather they are going to use GPL but not enchance it or use BSD and not enchance it or write proprietary code.
So screw all the other companies because you hate MS so much.
Any way Netscape and Mozilla failed because they sucked. Sure at first Netscape was good, but quickly feel behind. I understand Opera is making a good go at it. And I suspect firebird will soon be gaining ground.
>Because if they change the FTP protocol so that you can no longer connect and download from your client which is AOSOTW (An Operating System Other >Than Windows), then after that future inevitable time, when you want to connect and download something from a server that happens to be a windows box, >you are going to have shell out your tax to buy the client from Microsoft.
But they could do that whether or not your software was released under GPL or BSD. The specs would be open and they could produce their software(surely you believe they could handle the programming) with a msFTP protocol.
Under the GPL other businesses couldn't/wouldn't use my software, under the BSD more companies could thereby increasing the chances of it becoming a standard.
"In fact, it undermines the whole proprietary software business model. "
Which is why I don't like the GPL. Nor the ideals behind it.
I also believe software companies have embraced BSD type code, as they include parts in their code.
Your logic about moving to BSD being a disater makes no sense. Why would I care what MS does with the software. If they took my BSD licensed ftp server(no I don't have one) dork it up only allowing windows clients to connect why would I care? I still have the orginal code.
I know someone who would give foods(this was a while ago), because he didn't want his employees going out and blowing the money on booze. So he gave christmas hams.
In your case offering to put $1500 in a 401k or something similar may help them more in the long run, but otherwise just give em the money.
Ah yes, if the GPL were perfectly enforced, then business would stop using the GPL and move to free'r licenses, I believe. Sorta like if MS could prevent piracy then more people would turn to the free stuff.
See that the thing, most grans would do just as well on X as they would Windows. My mom is so lost it wouldn't matter. All she needs is to get e-mail look at pictures, get online. Linux/FreeBSD could do that just as well as windows, maybe better as support over the phone may be easier.
I don't get this statement. Linux is not for newbies either.
And one might argue that FreeBSD is easier to use because documentation is more focused.
Finding documentation on linux is a nightmare: Is it Debian or Suse maybe Rad Hat. Well, which version of Redhat do you have? 7? 8? 9? Or well RPM is broke on 8 you need to upgrade your RPMs. You can't because RPMs are broke. Well, download the source and compile up your RPM.....
I won't disagree that Linux is more suited for the Desktop than freebsd, but that is because linux has wider variety of support and apps, not because it is any easier.
Sure, charging money would impede adoption but it has to be done from a business standpoint. I would also submit that piracy has helped MS more than it has hurt.
I agree with Mr. Lyons, though the view is not popular. The FSF goals is to rid the world of proprietary software no? The GPL was designed for this to take hold. Moves like this by the FSF will scare businesses away, that may not matter to the average linux user, but it matters to the FSF. I think they should have waited until more and more GPL was being used, and then nailed the companies. Seems too early to flex the GPL muscle.
From a business standpoint I wouldn't touch GPL code with a ten foot pole. BSD yes, not GPL. Too many risks.
I love djbdns and dnscache, much easier to work and just made sense. BIND always seemed like a hack on a hack. I also learned a whole lot more about DNS after using djb's stuff, then I ever did with BIND.
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>That's bullshit, the latter (end to all proprietary software) does not require the former (ruin your software business).
What's BS? the goals of the GPL(which is true) or that software comapnies can't make money?
There will always be demand for softare certainily unique software. No smart company is going to pay lotsa cash to pay someone to write software and then let everyone else use it for free. That would just be foolish business. Rather they are going to use GPL but not enchance it or use BSD and not enchance it or write proprietary code.
So screw all the other companies because you hate MS so much.
Any way Netscape and Mozilla failed because they sucked. Sure at first Netscape was good, but quickly feel behind. I understand Opera is making a good go at it. And I suspect firebird will soon be gaining ground.
Here's the thing the businesses will not use GPL code in theirs, while they would use BSD.
Using GPL code in your code is the death kneel, because RMS doesn't want your money he wants to ruin your software business.
GPL wants to end all proprietary software, plain and simple.
Slighty offtopic: And why don't these same GPL principles apply to music, architects, books, etc.
Amazing how clueless slashdot can be when it comes to understanding young children yet act like experts.
btw I thought your statement was quite funny.
>Because if they change the FTP protocol so that you can no longer connect and download from your client which is AOSOTW (An Operating System Other
>Than Windows), then after that future inevitable time, when you want to connect and download something from a server that happens to be a windows box,
>you are going to have shell out your tax to buy the client from Microsoft.
But they could do that whether or not your software was released under GPL or BSD. The specs would be open and they could produce their software(surely you believe they could handle the programming) with a msFTP protocol.
Under the GPL other businesses couldn't/wouldn't use my software, under the BSD more companies could thereby increasing the chances of it becoming a standard.
"In fact, it undermines the whole proprietary software business model. "
Which is why I don't like the GPL. Nor the ideals behind it.
I also believe software companies have embraced BSD type code, as they include parts in their code.
Your logic about moving to BSD being a disater makes no sense. Why would I care what MS does with the software. If they took my BSD licensed ftp server(no I don't have one) dork it up only allowing windows clients to connect why would I care? I still have the orginal code.
I know someone who would give foods(this was a while ago), because he didn't want his employees going out and blowing the money on booze. So he gave christmas hams.
In your case offering to put $1500 in a 401k or something similar may help them more in the long run, but otherwise just give em the money.
Is this a hobby?
You should start a list of the most expensive things you can buy online with a credit card.
For instance could you buy a Airbus?
Why do people seem to think that Opensource and GPL are one in the same?
If the GPL is shot down in court people will just move to BSD type licenses.
Ah yes, if the GPL were perfectly enforced, then business would stop using the GPL and move to free'r licenses, I believe.
Sorta like if MS could prevent piracy then more people would turn to the free stuff.
You are correct your post is not a troll, and a poor mod job.
You simply made the mistake of questioning the open-source model. Since open source should never be questioned you have to be modded as a troll.
This is why some open source folks are labeled zealots in the worst definition of the word.
You will also noticed your reply has been modded offtopic so it less people will see it.
I expect mine to also be modded down.
See that the thing, most grans would do just as well on X as they would Windows. My mom is so lost it wouldn't matter. All she needs is to get e-mail look at pictures, get online. Linux/FreeBSD could do that just as well as windows, maybe better as support over the phone may be easier.
Oh yes, I have thought the same thing many times,
and irony of the situation just makes me chuckle.
I don't get this statement. Linux is not for newbies either.
.....
And one might argue that FreeBSD is easier to use because documentation is more focused.
Finding documentation on linux is a nightmare: Is it Debian or Suse maybe Rad Hat. Well, which version of Redhat do you have? 7? 8? 9? Or well RPM is broke on 8 you need to upgrade your RPMs. You can't because RPMs are broke. Well, download the source and compile up your RPM
I won't disagree that Linux is more suited for the Desktop than freebsd, but that is because linux has wider variety of support and apps, not because it is any easier.
You do know that Allah and the Christian God are one and the same?
You actually believe that the big universities actually care about how good a professor is at teaching?
Good grief, don't you have something better to do?
I guess I have half a brain.
Sure, charging money would impede adoption but it has to be done from a business standpoint.
I would also submit that piracy has helped MS more than it has hurt.
I agree with Mr. Lyons, though the view is not popular.
The FSF goals is to rid the world of proprietary software no? The GPL was designed for this to take hold.
Moves like this by the FSF will scare businesses away, that may not matter to the average linux user, but it matters to the FSF.
I think they should have waited until more and more GPL was being used, and then nailed the companies.
Seems too early to flex the GPL muscle.
From a business standpoint I wouldn't touch GPL code with a ten foot pole. BSD yes, not GPL. Too many risks.
I love djbdns and dnscache, much easier to work and just made sense. BIND always seemed like a hack on a hack. I also learned a whole lot more about DNS after using djb's stuff, then I ever did with BIND.
Maybe I am just not smart enough to use BIND.
So you have three companies, each makes a router.
All, three use some GPL code in the router because of time and money saved.
FSF knows all three companies are using GPL 'd software.
Company 1 slips FSF a cool million, FSF ignores Company 1, goes after compoany 2 and 3, like wildfire.
Do I think it's happening? No, but it could.
Company 1 save money using GPL'd software and gets their competition in hot water.
Who still uses FAT16?
Anyway I always want at least 2 partitions on a windows machine.
One for user data, one for everything else.
I understand you are not fonding of XP in general
How do you feel about:
1) Pair programming
2) Unit Tests upfront
3) Iterations
Do you feel these are good things?
You are concerned that what they learn in this MSOffice class will NOT translate well into other word processing apps and excel?
:-)
Fair enough.
> I don't get your pint no-one's having MY pint, it's mine, aaaall mine!
Cheap? UoP is anything but cheap.
As to the quality of the education I can't speak.
Did you just make that up?