The only justice would be that the first to get ripped into quantal goo would be the dorks at CERN.
No, if a quantum black hole created by the collider did (insert miracle here) manage to survive long enough to start eating atoms, it would, fairly rapidly, drop (well, orbit) to the center of the earth (where it would find higher densities and a lot more to eat). Remember that it's not going to interact with matter much at all at first, so essentially the only force acting on it then would be gravity (the earth's).
It would grow extremely slowly, at first, so it's likely that nobody would notice anything for quite a while - especially given how hard it would be to keep track of the thing in the first place. However, the last few days/weeks of the earth's existence would be quite, um, interesting:) as the accretion accelerated....
Besides which:) the only black hole "shelter" that would even be marginally effective would be a orbital one, preferably at a high orbit (to reduce radiation effects).
So.... start supporting the/any manned space programs, if you feel your tinfoil hat isn't enough:)
Not so much that we haven't observed gravity waves directly, as it is that we haven't been able to sort out the disturbances in the detectors from background "noise" well enough to determine that what we are actually observing is gravity waves and not something else.
IIRC, anyway...IANAAP, tho I had a start on it in college twenty years ago.
IIRC isn't there some direct observational evidence that gravity also acts at the speed of light? Wouldn't that imply a "carrier" of some sort? The math is beyond me, but it makes sense to me that if gravity does have a limiting velocity than it would have a propogation front, which implies some sort of wave...
I read quite an interesting paper on this a few years ago, but can't for the life of me remember where it was. Somewhere in all these bookmarks probably:)
'scuse me, I'm more a geology student of life than anything nowadays - tho I went to college for astrophyics. A long time ago. Sigh.
I thought that black holes were inevitable results of star collapse when they were over the chandra mass limit. Has that changed any?
Great explanation; and certainly easier than trying to explain the concept of a "naked singularity":) and the difference between a naked one and one cloaked with a event horizon, assuming of course that naked singularities can exist in the first place.
Wasn't quantum transference of particles across event horizons thought up by Hawking (and also the explanation for the eventual "evaporation" of black holes? - I always thought that "sublimation" might be a better term...). I have little time to keep up with modern thought on that subject, and I'm wondering if it's still viable as a theory...
I remember reading about Hawking's theory back in college and thought it was absolutely brilliant,especially given that a event horizon would essentially be an infinitely small region(?)
Fascinating stuff, nonetheless. Do you have any links to some decent reading about Hawking anti-particles? That sounds new to me - technical links with math are OK. Thanks.
OMG/me runs from the straight lines I just delivered to the slashdot hordes
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of having several manufacturers games in one machine, rather than one; that would drive licensing up. You make a good point, tho.
Wrt to software patents, I was also thinking of old games that are far past their profit windows. It can be difficult or impossible to get licensing for those for an independent who wishes to build multi-game arcade machines...
Hmm...the second link seems quite a bit quieter than the first...but with more variations in the sounds (I can only identify most sounds from the first link...)
Ozone. That's the smell I remember associated with arcades from back in the 80s.
Tail Gunner was great. I blew fifty bucks in one week learning that game. Is there a joystick version of that game I can play on linux? With the smoothness that the arcade had? IIRC it used vector graphics?
Gorf was damned hard, but fun.
Joust, now: once you got over the rolling-on-the-floor giggles of trouncing your opponents by whapping them on the head with your bird's ass...:) hey, I was a teenager then:) That damned pterodactyl!
WRT to Mame, it's unfortunate that they had to put that clause in (it protects them from lawsuits from idiot companies IIUC, but that's another topic - as I understand, might be wrong there.)
I wonder if there could be a serious arcade revival if one could build arcade hardware with Mame...it's an interesting question (and not a new one by any means)
Robotron, Joust, Defender....the original Tron arcade game (I couldn't even get to the machine for a couple weeks, there were so many people waiting in line). When I first saw Joust, at a joint called Steve's Pizza, my friends and I were laughing so hard at the game we could hardly play. There was just something comical as hell about whapping your opponent on the head with your bird's ass...but I digress:)
Remember Space War(s?)? Vector graphics....first saw that at a County Fair in ?'79?
But we were hooked!
I broke a lot of firing buttons playing the Empire Strikes Back on the 2600. About the only way to make it thru was to have a fast hammer thumb on the firing button:) wham wham wham wham wham wham
Arcades were great, back then. Now I'm bored by them; I have better games on my PC... of course I'm not exactly in the age group anymore, either:)
Born '67, arcade player since '79 or somewhere around then.... I remember, during some broke times, riding around the mall parking lot looking for dropped change I could turn into quarters for just another chance at Robotron (which I eventually mastered - playing from 9:00 open to 4:00 in the afternoon on one quarter once:) till the owner kicked me out)
Addicted? Me?::::))))) I developed blisters on the palms of my hand once from the Robotron controls:)
Those were the days, fer sure. You're right about not getting it.... just like at our age now, there are some things we "don't get" about the newest kids' crazes. Ah, the joys of getting older:)
Well, at least my reflexes are still good - mostly for fast paced 'frag' games, anyway. Heh.
Cheers, dude. Damn, in another twenty years nobody is going to remember those times anymore...oh, guh.
Always make sure to remind your local city politicians and citizens of how valuable the library is. Libraries are rarely, if ever, funded enough.
Frequent the book sales, buy whatever you can afford, and let the librarians know that you'll loan it out (assuming you have the space to keep it and the time to keep track of it) - you'll be amazed at the people you'll meet. I have collected old science books for years and recently got a request from a geology student doing a project on the history of geology (pre plate-tectonics). He was a farmer's son and I was immersed in free food for weeks:)
I was (and am) a library geek 30+ years ago - long before I was a computer geek. Libraries are quite possibly the most valuable resource the human race possesses.
Actually I thought LOTR was very well made, and I've been reading/rereading Tolkien's books for decades.
That wasn't my point, tho. "Wrong shoes"? What does that have to do with my post? My feeling is it'd be damned hard to try to explain the storyline (which runs thru, what, 20+ books?) to the average movie audience; and in the process they'd have to destroy it.
I guess what I'm really trying to express is this: Why the hell can't Hollywood come up with some original stuff that doesn't involve plots based around sex and violence + filler, rather than relying on everyone else's work?
No, if there are movies made around the Amber series, I won't go to see them, and yes, I fully realize that I have that choice.
Re: Damnation Alley: I fully agree with Z. It would disgust me to no end to see any of *my* writing be mutated into something so wholly unwatchable.
Just because Tolkien felt the same way, and the LOTR movies turned out as good as they did, doesn't mean it will work that way with every book>movie. The only reason it worked out with LOTR is because Jackson is incredibly talented. Would you want Lucas to attempt it? Or some of the other hacks in Hollywood?
As Dr Fisher explains, "you can feel deep attachment for a long-term spouse, while you feel romantic love for someone else, while you feel the sex drive in situations unrelated to either partner." This independence means it is possible to love more than one person at a time, a situation that leads to jealousy, adultery and divorce--though also to the possibilities of promiscuity and polygamy, with the likelihood of extra children, and thus a bigger stake in the genetic future, that those behaviours bring. As Dr Fisher observes, "We were not built to be happy but to reproduce."
Gotta hand it to Dr. Fisher - that's insightful as hell./sarcasm
Someone tell me again why we need funded studies to tell us these things? I hope it wasn't taxpayer money he was blowing away there.
Will someone please mod the good Dr. -1 Redundant?
Damn, I haven't heard that one in better than twenty years. Thanks for the laugh:) Brings back memories, it does. Considering the jokes we used to laugh about in college, it's a wonder any of us ever got laid back then:)
Please, PLEASE don't let anyone make Zelazny's excellent books into movies. It'd destroy them.
I can imagine that with some real talent behind it Hellriding could be quite a CGI experience. But there is no way at all that any justice could ever be done to the stories themselves, not in the movies, certainly (given the number of novels) and a miniseries would be pathetically short on the time needed to decently explain what's going on. It'd be like the horrid distortion that's the modern "Highlander" series. *sticks finger in mouth and gags*
Please no. I don't want to die of terminal vomitus.
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The way I see it is that there are two probabilities:
1) Her lawyers are misinformed/ignorant and think they can make the case.
2) They aren't and have enough precedent/facts/case law to make the case.
Either way, this should be fun to watch. I just hope she knows what she's gotten herself into, and is really willing to stick with it.
SB
Note to mods:
Parent should be informative. This is fairly well-hashed over theory.
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The only justice would be that the first to get ripped into quantal goo would be the dorks at CERN.
:) as the accretion accelerated....
No, if a quantum black hole created by the collider did (insert miracle here) manage to survive long enough to start eating atoms, it would, fairly rapidly, drop (well, orbit) to the center of the earth (where it would find higher densities and a lot more to eat). Remember that it's not going to interact with matter much at all at first, so essentially the only force acting on it then would be gravity (the earth's).
It would grow extremely slowly, at first, so it's likely that nobody would notice anything for quite a while - especially given how hard it would be to keep track of the thing in the first place. However, the last few days/weeks of the earth's existence would be quite, um, interesting
SB
You can stop building that black hole shelter now
Besides which
So.... start supporting the/any manned space programs, if you feel your tinfoil hat isn't enough
SB
Not so much that we haven't observed gravity waves directly, as it is that we haven't been able to sort out the disturbances in the detectors from background "noise" well enough to determine that what we are actually observing is gravity waves and not something else.
IIRC, anyway...IANAAP, tho I had a start on it in college twenty years ago.
SB
IIRC isn't there some direct observational evidence that gravity also acts at the speed of light? Wouldn't that imply a "carrier" of some sort?
The math is beyond me, but it makes sense to me that if gravity does have a limiting velocity than it would have a propogation front, which implies some sort of wave...
I read quite an interesting paper on this a few years ago, but can't for the life of me remember where it was. Somewhere in all these bookmarks probably
'scuse me, I'm more a geology student of life than anything nowadays - tho I went to college for astrophyics. A long time ago. Sigh.
SB
I thought that black holes were inevitable results of star collapse when they were over the chandra mass limit. Has that changed any?
:) and the difference between a naked one and one cloaked with a event horizon, assuming of course that naked singularities can exist in the first place.
,especially given that a event horizon would essentially be an infinitely small region(?)
/me runs from the straight lines I just delivered to the slashdot hordes
Great explanation; and certainly easier than trying to explain the concept of a "naked singularity"
Wasn't quantum transference of particles across event horizons thought up by Hawking (and also the explanation for the eventual "evaporation" of black holes? - I always thought that "sublimation" might be a better term...). I have little time to keep up with modern thought on that subject, and I'm wondering if it's still viable as a theory...
I remember reading about Hawking's theory back in college and thought it was absolutely brilliant
Fascinating stuff, nonetheless. Do you have any links to some decent reading about Hawking anti-particles? That sounds new to me - technical links with math are OK. Thanks.
OMG
SB
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SB
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of having several manufacturers games in one machine, rather than one; that would drive licensing up. You make a good point, tho.
Wrt to software patents, I was also thinking of old games that are far past their profit windows. It can be difficult or impossible to get licensing for those for an independent who wishes to build multi-game arcade machines...
SB
Hmm...the second link seems quite a bit quieter than the first...but with more variations in the sounds (I can only identify most sounds from the first link...)
SB
Which just goes to show how stupid some of those engineers can be.
Use off the shelf components, fer chrissakes.
SB
Not only that, but those machines would be a lot cheaper to mass produce.
What wouldn't be cheaper, however, is the licensing for all those games.
There's the real barrier. Damn software patents anyway.
SB
Dude, if you're getting laid, it isn't a strip club.
SB
Ozone. That's the smell I remember associated with arcades from back in the 80s.
Tail Gunner was great. I blew fifty bucks in one week learning that game.
Is there a joystick version of that game I can play on linux? With the smoothness that the arcade had? IIRC it used vector graphics?
Gorf was damned hard, but fun.
Joust, now: once you got over the rolling-on-the-floor giggles of trouncing your opponents by whapping them on the head with your bird's ass...
SB
WRT to Mame, it's unfortunate that they had to put that clause in (it protects them from lawsuits from idiot companies IIUC, but that's another topic - as I understand, might be wrong there.)
I wonder if there could be a serious arcade revival if one could build arcade hardware with Mame...it's an interesting question (and not a new one by any means)
SB
why, after a long day's work, would I then want to go somewhere else to pay money (two quarters at a time) to play video games?
Well, to meet chicks, of course.
Oh, wait, that was the 80s...my bad.
SB
If you have to ask, you just don't get it.
:) ( & links )
:)
:) wham wham wham wham wham wham
:)
:) till the owner kicked me out)
::::))))) I developed blisters on the palms of my hand once from the Robotron controls :)
:)
You betcha.
Thanks for the nostalgia trip
Robotron, Joust, Defender....the original Tron arcade game (I couldn't even get to the machine for a couple weeks, there were so many people waiting in line). When I first saw Joust, at a joint called Steve's Pizza, my friends and I were laughing so hard at the game we could hardly play. There was just something comical as hell about whapping your opponent on the head with your bird's ass...but I digress
Remember Space War(s?)? Vector graphics....first saw that at a County Fair in ?'79?
But we were hooked!
I broke a lot of firing buttons playing the Empire Strikes Back on the 2600. About the only way to make it thru was to have a fast hammer thumb on the firing button
Arcades were great, back then. Now I'm bored by them; I have better games on my PC... of course I'm not exactly in the age group anymore, either
Born '67, arcade player since '79 or somewhere around then.... I remember, during some broke times, riding around the mall parking lot looking for dropped change I could turn into quarters for just another chance at Robotron (which I eventually mastered - playing from 9:00 open to 4:00 in the afternoon on one quarter once
Addicted? Me?
Those were the days, fer sure. You're right about not getting it.... just like at our age now, there are some things we "don't get" about the newest kids' crazes. Ah, the joys of getting older
Well, at least my reflexes are still good - mostly for fast paced 'frag' games, anyway. Heh.
Cheers, dude. Damn, in another twenty years nobody is going to remember those times anymore...oh, guh.
SB
telcos put many, many miles of fiber
IIRC, that was how Qwest got started, laying fiber.
SB
If said governments would quit trying to regulate ever other bloody aspect of our lives, they could even afford to do it.
Sigh.
Well put. I'd rather have my tax money spent on this than another overseas war, anyway.
SB
I have something to add:
Support your local library.
Donate money, time, books. Whatever you can.
Always make sure to remind your local city politicians and citizens of how valuable the library is. Libraries are rarely, if ever, funded enough.
Frequent the book sales, buy whatever you can afford, and let the librarians know that you'll loan it out (assuming you have the space to keep it and the time to keep track of it) - you'll be amazed at the people you'll meet. I have collected old science books for years and recently got a request from a geology student doing a project on the history of geology (pre plate-tectonics). He was a farmer's son and I was immersed in free food for weeks
I was (and am) a library geek 30+ years ago - long before I was a computer geek. Libraries are quite possibly the most valuable resource the human race possesses.
SB
Works great. You turn up the heat, and it melts.
SB
Actually I thought LOTR was very well made, and I've been reading/rereading Tolkien's books for decades.
That wasn't my point, tho. "Wrong shoes"? What does that have to do with my post? My feeling is it'd be damned hard to try to explain the storyline (which runs thru, what, 20+ books?) to the average movie audience; and in the process they'd have to destroy it.
I guess what I'm really trying to express is this: Why the hell can't Hollywood come up with some original stuff that doesn't involve plots based around sex and violence + filler, rather than relying on everyone else's work?
No, if there are movies made around the Amber series, I won't go to see them, and yes, I fully realize that I have that choice.
Re: Damnation Alley: I fully agree with Z. It would disgust me to no end to see any of *my* writing be mutated into something so wholly unwatchable.
Just because Tolkien felt the same way, and the LOTR movies turned out as good as they did, doesn't mean it will work that way with every book>movie. The only reason it worked out with LOTR is because Jackson is incredibly talented. Would you want Lucas to attempt it? Or some of the other hacks in Hollywood?
SB
As Dr Fisher explains, "you can feel deep attachment for a long-term spouse, while you feel romantic love for someone else, while you feel the sex drive in situations unrelated to either partner." This independence means it is possible to love more than one person at a time, a situation that leads to jealousy, adultery and divorce--though also to the possibilities of promiscuity and polygamy, with the likelihood of extra children, and thus a bigger stake in the genetic future, that those behaviours bring. As Dr Fisher observes, "We were not built to be happy but to reproduce."
/sarcasm
Gotta hand it to Dr. Fisher - that's insightful as hell.
Someone tell me again why we need funded studies to tell us these things? I hope it wasn't taxpayer money he was blowing away there.
Will someone please mod the good Dr. -1 Redundant?
SB
Damn, I haven't heard that one in better than twenty years. Thanks for the laugh :) Brings back memories, it does. Considering the jokes we used to laugh about in college, it's a wonder any of us ever got laid back then :)
Woof.
SB
Please, PLEASE don't let anyone make Zelazny's excellent books into movies. It'd destroy them.
I can imagine that with some real talent behind it Hellriding could be quite a CGI experience. But there is no way at all that any justice could ever be done to the stories themselves, not in the movies, certainly (given the number of novels) and a miniseries would be pathetically short on the time needed to decently explain what's going on. It'd be like the horrid distortion that's the modern "Highlander" series. *sticks finger in mouth and gags*
Please no. I don't want to die of terminal vomitus.
SB