The Science of Love

a love shot? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:05 · Score: 0, Offtopic

i think someone needs to give that to my girlfriend, right now she hates me. ha.

Re:a love shot? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 21:13 · Score: 0

Sure, I'll happily give your girlfriend a love shot. And your mother, if you wish.

No thank you! by Dutchmaan · 2004-02-14 08:05 · Score: 5, Funny

I don't know about you.. but you won't catch me going to any doctor asking for a love injection!

Re:No thank you! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:26 · Score: 0

oh my god, for the millionth time it's viruses, not virii!!!
Re:No thank you! by Patik · 2004-02-14 08:26 · Score: 1, Funny

you won't catch me going to any doctor asking for a love injection!
You don't get love injections at the doctor's office, you get them at the state prison.
Re:No thank you! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:28 · Score: 0

what about inside the doctor's office of the state prison?
Re:No thank you! by DJStealth · 2004-02-14 19:31 · Score: 1

You may as well go and buy coke off the streets, as according to the article:
"So the brains of people deeply in love do not look like those of people experiencing strong emotions, but instead like those of people snorting coke."
Re:No thank you! by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:51 · Score: 1

oh my god, for the millionth time it's viruses, not virii!!!
Hey, try to get people to say formulae instead of formulas. Or Matrices instead of Matrixes.
Ah, the prolonged death(or germanization) of latin.

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Ah, valentines day. by sparklingfruit · 2004-02-14 08:07 · Score: 5, Funny

The one day of the year where I am not the tarket market.

Love injection? No need. Attractiveness injection? Now there's a seller.

Re:Ah, valentines day. by yacineparis.com · 2004-02-14 08:41 · Score: 0, Flamebait

By the way, do nice-looking geeks exist?

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Re:Ah, valentines day. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 16:40 · Score: 0

do nice-looking geeks exist?

No, just those ugly ones and us incredibly sexy ones. There is no middle ground.

Do it yourself by Lucky+Kevin · 2004-02-14 08:08 · Score: 5, Funny

But don't all guys give love injections?

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Re:Do it yourself by darkmeridian · 2004-02-14 17:58 · Score: 1

Imagine:

Girlfriend: Hey, that was the quickest, most painless vaccination ever....

YOU: >> Hang head in shame Let me check my spam log for that e-mail....

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Utah by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:09 · Score: 5, Funny

As Dr Fisher explains, "you can feel deep attachment for a long-term spouse, while you feel romantic love for someone else, while you feel the sex drive in situations unrelated to either partner." This independence means it is possible to love more than one person at a time, a situation that leads to jealousy, adultery and divorce--though also to the possibilities of promiscuity and polygamy, with the likelihood of extra children, and thus a bigger stake in the genetic future, that those behaviours bring. As Dr Fisher observes, "We were not built to be happy but to reproduce."

Ah, that explains politics in Utah.

Re:Utah by JPriest · 2004-02-14 08:42 · Score: 1

Now I know what is "wrong" with me :)

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Re:Utah by Galvatron · 2004-02-14 11:30 · Score: 4, Interesting

Actually, I was reading something the other day about how despots in ages past would have dozens, hundreds, even thousands of wives. Today, the President of the United States can't even get away with two! What could be responsible for such a dramatic shift? The explanation given was democracy (the argument against the women's rights theory was that monogamy was pretty entrenched in word and in deed by the Victorian era, when women still had no power). The lower status males will simply use their power to destroy a sexual rival. Essentially we've achieved sexual communism, where no one is allowed to rise higher than a single wife.
All that being said, there are perfectly legitimate women's rights reasons why polygamy is wrong. No woman wants her husband to take a second wife, and even among the "mormons" (in quotes because the recognized church would say they're not mormons) in Utah who do have multiple wives only achieve that status by bullying, threatening, or simply psychologically dominating their first wives.

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Re:Utah by Atryn · 2004-02-14 12:41 · Score: 2, Informative

All that being said, there are perfectly legitimate women's rights reasons why polygamy is wrong. No woman wants her husband to take a second wife...
Your post reflects the continuing issues of women's rights. There is nothing in the word polygamy that implies a man having multiple wives. There is nothing wrong with polygamy except for those whose moral and/or religious beliefs forbid it. Just as a man could have multiple wives, a woman could have multiple husbands.

Now, that being said, it isn't very likely that any woman would want multiple husbands. While some emotional and economic benefits exist for polygamy in general, the downside of jealousy is always there. And on the sex issue, very few women have enough of a sex drive to want multiple husbands, whereas that problem is common for men. Evolution is so cruel.

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Re:Utah by Galvatron · 2004-02-14 14:19 · Score: 1

You are correct of course, I should have used the gender-specific word "polygyny," rather than the gender-neutral "polygamy." However, since the only society on record that I know of that has ever practiced polyandry is Tibet, and even then it's only when the two men are brothers (and the younger brother is expected to look for a new wife ASAP), in human societies polygamy is defacto polygyny.
Again, I would argue against your statement that there is nothing wrong with polygamy. Most forms of polygamy set up situations where one person in the preexisting marriage (almost certainly the woman) is pressured to go along with a situation she detests. If one wanted to set up polygamy laws such that once a marriage has been formed, it cannot be ammended (so you've got to marry all your wives at once, or not at all), then that might be arguable.

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Re:Utah by shadowbearer · 2004-02-14 18:43 · Score: 0, Redundant

As Dr Fisher explains, "you can feel deep attachment for a long-term spouse, while you feel romantic love for someone else, while you feel the sex drive in situations unrelated to either partner." This independence means it is possible to love more than one person at a time, a situation that leads to jealousy, adultery and divorce--though also to the possibilities of promiscuity and polygamy, with the likelihood of extra children, and thus a bigger stake in the genetic future, that those behaviours bring. As Dr Fisher observes, "We were not built to be happy but to reproduce."

Gotta hand it to Dr. Fisher - that's insightful as hell. /sarcasm

Someone tell me again why we need funded studies to tell us these things? I hope it wasn't taxpayer money he was blowing away there.

Will someone please mod the good Dr. -1 Redundant?

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Re:Utah by svyyn · 2004-02-15 03:57 · Score: 1

Again, I would argue against your statement that there is nothing wrong with polygamy. Most forms of polygamy set up situations where one person in the preexisting marriage (almost certainly the woman) is pressured to go along with a situation she detests

Your argument against polygamy seems to be more of an argument against coercion and control in a relationship, not against having multiple partners. The problem is that the religions that have historically promoted polygamy as polygyny have been deeply misogynistic, Sky-Father religions in which women were regarded as property. That kind of polygamy is simply unhealthy for all partners. In a healthy polygamous relationship, all partners love, though are not necessarily sexually active with, all other partners.

If you make a drawing of the relationship, then there are lines connecting every individual, there aren't only lines radiating from a central point as in traditional polygamy. However, this means that the number of connections, the number of positive relationships, has to grow geometrically with the number of people, and so this naturally tends to limit the number of people who can be a part of the same healthy polygamous relationship.

If one wanted to set up polygamy laws such that once a marriage has been formed, it cannot be ammended...

In my experiences, healthy polygamous relationships grow gradually. It is highly unlikely that a group of people will spontaneously meet each other and all fall in love. It is much more likely for two people to meet, and then both meet a third person, and then all three perhaps meet a fourth. The key here, of course, is that everyone enters the relationship willingly and thoughtfully.
Re:Utah by drox · 2004-02-17 10:49 · Score: 1

No woman wants her husband to take a second wife...

Not neccessarily true. In many societies, a husband is pressured to get a second wife *by his first wife* when she feels he's wealthy enough to merit one. With two wives to share the workload, life gets easier for both women, and their husband may be less tempted to stray.
Re:Utah by drox · 2004-02-17 11:07 · Score: 1

Now, that being said, it isn't very likely that any woman would want multiple husbands.

I guess that would depend on what husbands provide for them, and whether it's any different from what a mere sex partner provides.

While some emotional and economic benefits exist for polygamy in general, the downside of jealousy is always there.

And this is different how? Would a wife be more jealous of a second wife or of a mistress? Would a husband be more jealous if his wife had a second husband or an ongoing affair? Seems there's plenty of jealousy to go around, even when the law (or economic neccessity) dictates only one spouse.

And on the sex issue, very few women have enough of a sex drive to want multiple husbands, whereas that problem is common for men.

Presumably women are getting something more than just sex from their husband(s). Else why marry the guy? They could just have an affair. With marriage they get legal recognition of their union, a father for their children, a whole extended family of inlaws, and in many societies, monetary benefits that continue even after hubby dies (retirement income, etc.). If all these things doubled when a second husband is added to the family, it's easy to see the appeal of polyandry. I'm actually sort of surprised it isn't more widespread, but then marriage is a legal institution and men have been writing the laws through most of history. But their oft-noted reduced sex drive (compared to men) hasn't stopped many women from cashing in on multiple partners, even without the benefits of legally marrying them.
Re:Utah by ClioCJS · 2004-02-18 03:08 · Score: 1

Uhhhhhhh.... Ever hear of polyamory? Look it up sometime. It's not just a man thing, and you're wrong. Though what you said works well as a rule of thumb but not as an absolutism/tautology.

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Re:Utah by Galvatron · 2004-02-18 03:46 · Score: 1

I still think it's rare to the point where the exeptions are likely to prove the rule. I've read interviews with these people, and there's almost universally conflict when the second wife arrives, even if the first wife thought she'd be okay with it. Polyamory can often be different because you can have multiple couples who keep their relationships seperate (ie, you stay with girl 1 during the week and go out with girl 2 on Saturday night or whatever. In fact, women especially seem to have a tendancy to regard one man as her partner, and other men more like affairs or flings. Not all living together can help jealousy tremendously).
There are other arguments against legal recognition of polygamy as well, such as divorce. If wife 2 and wife 3 decide they can't stand each other, who has to get divorced? Is if fair that some of the family assets are taken away from wife 1? Does it matter if one or more of these women has children? It's a road that can never lead to justice, and I think the fairest route is simply to priviledge only the first marriage with legal recognition. If more people want to live in the same house and have sex with each other, that's fine, but divorce proceedings for communal marriage are an unreasonable burden on society.

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Re:Utah by ClioCJS · 2004-02-18 10:53 · Score: 1

I think what you describe is more "swinging" and less "polyamory", tho there is more stigma attached to the word swinging. But it's all subjective, and yes, the legality of a legalized polyamorous divorce would be every divors lawyer's wet dream.

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Re:Utah by Atryn · 2004-02-21 01:54 · Score: 1

Would a wife be more jealous of a second wife or of a mistress? Would a husband be more jealous if his wife had a second husband or an ongoing affair?
I've often wondered about this. I believe there would need to be further research to say one way or the other. It would not surprise me, however, if there did exist hormonal differences between men and women that caused men to be more possessive/territorial than women in general. If you look at history, SOMETHING caused men to be the dominant sex, and my guess would a combination of physical and hormonal differences.

Modern life has changed a lot of this as we aren't dependent on the "brawn" of men to go out an hunt for food, fight off enemies, etc. With the advent of technology, women can just as easily provide for the family and fight off enemies. I believe these fundamental technological shifts are what has paved the way for the women's rights movement to emerge. I also happen to believe that is a Good Thing(tm).
Presumably women are getting something more than just sex from their husband(s).
Of course, and I wasn't asserting the woman would have the problem. The fact is the male sex drive is generally much stronger than the female sex drive. My wife is pregnant currently, and this has dampened her sex drive even further. A "good" husband (as I like to think of myself) is able to handle this reduction in sexual activity for the duration. Now, take the multiple husband scenario to an extreme. If the woman were expected to bear the children of multiple husbands (which she can only do one at a time) she would be pregnant most of the time and what's left of her sexual capability would be split amongst all husbands.

I tend to believe that this is possible with the right people, the right expectations and a true three-way relationship with everyone emotionally involved with everyone else. However, if you get to 4+ folks, I think you need more than one female partner involved. I hate to reduce it to these sexual issues, but that is one of the large defining drives of man and is built in hormonally through evolution.

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Re:Utah by drox · 2004-02-21 11:40 · Score: 1

While I can agree with much of what is said above, the following statement doesn't seem to support the argument.

If the woman were expected to bear the children of multiple husbands (which she can only do one at a time) she would be pregnant most of the time and what's left of her sexual capability would be split amongst all husbands.

Through much of history, women were pregnant (or nursing a young child, which also reduces sex drive) for most of their adult lives anyway, whether they had one partner or many. For women, fertility is not a function of how many partners she has (unless it's zero) or even how often she has sex (unless it's never) but more of her health and longevity (not taking into account contraception). The difference multiple partners would provide is: with one partner, the children would all have the same father, while with multiple partners (married or not) each might have a different father. But either way she's pregnant or nursing most of the time, so the guys aren't going to be getting much action.

With a single father, he's probably going to be more willing (though perhaps less able) to provide for them all, as they're his own flesh and blood.

With multiple fathers (again, with or without marriage) they're probably going to be more able but less willing (as they don't know if they're supporting their own child or some other guy's).

Let's all be thankful for contraception, eh? Good news for women, who don't have wear out their bodies by being pregnant or nursing all the time, and good news for men, who can cash in their resulting increased sex drive.

Because really, who wants a child (or even the possibility of a child) every time he/she has sex?
Re:Utah by Atryn · 2004-02-24 13:04 · Score: 1

...and good news for men, who can cash in their resulting increased sex drive.
LOL... if that one were true, you wouldn't see me spending so much time on slashdot.

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Re:Great news. by mobby_6kl · 2004-02-14 08:10 · Score: 2, Funny

> the victim i keep in my basement *will* love me.
Don't you love yourself already? ;)

Presumably? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:10 · Score: 0

My first assumption would be that there is no difference between love and lust.

Re:Presumably? by eatdave13 · 2004-02-15 01:08 · Score: 1

Then you've only ever experienced one of them.

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Great news. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:11 · Score: 5, Funny

Injections cause love? This is great news! Finally I can love my abductor, Conner, who's keeping me in his basement.

Re:Great news. by dzym · 2004-02-14 08:27 · Score: 2, Funny

But first you must put the lotion in the fucking basket.
Re:Great news. by Surlyboi · 2004-02-14 09:02 · Score: 1

Not the hose again!

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Re:Great news. by t_allardyce · 2004-02-14 09:14 · Score: 5, Funny

Hes keeping you in his basement with a net connection? You rekon he could kidnap me too?

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Re:Great news. by first.last · 2004-02-14 12:24 · Score: 0

Wait, is it a high speed internet connection???

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Re:Great news. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 15:03 · Score: 0

It puts the lotion in the basket!
Re:Great news. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:12 · Score: 0

Oxytocin.
Re:Great news. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:15 · Score: 0

will there be gaynal sex? :->
Re:Great news. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 23:38 · Score: 0

A green garden hose, I hope.
Re:Great news. by t_allardyce · 2004-02-15 00:32 · Score: 1

who here wants to shove a stick of dynamite up bush's ass?

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just in time by elcausado · 2004-02-14 08:11 · Score: 5, Funny

...has a story just in time for Valentine's day called...

Its amazing how research these days has such a superb sense of timing. ;-)

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A poem. by SharpFang · 2004-02-14 08:12 · Score: 5, Funny

Found in fortune file.

Tell me why the stars do shine
Tell me why the ivy twines
Tell me why the sky's so blue
And I will tell you why I love you.

Nuclear fusion makes stars to shine
Phototropism makes ivy twine
Rayleigh Scattering makes sky so blue
Sexual hormones are why I love you.

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I find it kind of frightening by drinkypoo · 2004-02-14 08:12 · Score: 5, Funny

How long before some conservative mad scientist :) releases a retrovirus which makes us all pair-bond for life, inescapably? If I were still with my first love, I'd have to fucking kill myself now.

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Re:I find it kind of frightening by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:25 · Score: 0

What's to stop said virus from creating a homosexual pair-bond?
Re:I find it kind of frightening by sadomikeyism · 2004-02-14 10:09 · Score: 3, Funny

Now we are going to see the radical political groups engage in biowarfare, releasing cold viruses that compete against each other, turning the population gay one week, straight the next, and so on.
If God is Love, and a scientist can give it or take it away, does this mean the scientist is playing God, or IS God????

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Re:I find it kind of frightening by qrash · 2004-02-14 10:47 · Score: 1, Troll

Conservative and scientist usually don't go together IMHO, so you needn't worry about that!

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Re:I find it kind of frightening by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:33 · Score: 0

What's to stop the virus from making ALL the pair-bonds homosexual? That would spice things up a little.
Re:I find it kind of frightening by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:30 · Score: 2, Interesting

Conservative and scientist usually don't go together IMHO, so you needn't worry about that!
here at my univ we have a Biochem department populated with creationists. I know several engineering students who are extreme fundamentalists (the bible says jump then I must jump! Right now! Again and again!).
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The difference between love and lust ... by gunix · 2004-02-14 08:12 · Score: 5, Funny

Well, this axiom holds...

Attraction = Lust + i*Love

Lust is the "real" part, and "Love" is the imaginary part.

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:26 · Score: 4, Funny

No wonder attraction is so complex!
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by bersl2 · 2004-02-14 08:35 · Score: 4, Funny

By this equation,
e ^ (0 + i(pi)) = -1
which proves that love is detrimental.
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by GuyWithLag · 2004-02-14 08:38 · Score: 2, Funny

It's a strange attractor.....
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by October_30th · 2004-02-14 08:46 · Score: 0, Offtopic

Attraction = Lust + i*Love
Heh.
That's a good one! I've got to keep that in mind the next time I'm lecturing quantum mechanics and have to remind people about complex numbers.

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:18 · Score: 0

That's more elegantly expressed as:

e^(i * PI) + 1 = 0
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by bersl2 · 2004-02-14 10:38 · Score: 1

Yes; but this way, the joke is more apparent.
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by cavac · 2004-02-14 12:37 · Score: 5, Funny

You could also formulate
L = (BSTG / BSGF) ^ (BE / DV) * (NS + 1)

Where L is the Lust you currently feel, BSTG the the Bra size of your target, BSGF is MAX_BREASTSIZE(girlfriends) you already have, BE is the number of Beers you already drank, NS is the number of months you've had no sex and DV is the number of divorces you had been through.

As you can clearly see, Beer (or other alcohololic drinks) and divorces have the highest influence. But as shown in the next formula, alcohol may also have a bad side effect:

AS = (V + 1) * L / (B + 1) ^ 3

AS is the ability to have sex, L is the lust and B is the number of Beers you had (which is very likely more than in the first formula). V is the number of Viagra's you took. You see, the more you drink, the more V you must swallow - although i'd recommend against V when you drunk B for reasons of SF (the survival factor of that night) because:

SF = (100 - AG / B ^ V) * RN

Where SF is your survival factor, AG is your age, B the Beers, V the Viagras and RN a boolean (0 or 1) to remember your spouse's name the morning after...

Therefore everyone claiming that having one-night-stands is easy isn't either
a) drinking alcohol
b) a good mathematician
c) or just plain lucky so far

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by 3rd_Floo · 2004-02-14 12:46 · Score: 1

Man and I just thought that it was related to a 2d3 roll all this time!
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by DonaldDuckBigO · 2004-02-14 21:03 · Score: 0

Oh, I get it!
Attraction = Lust + i*Love.
Let's exponentiate love:
exp(Attraction) = cos(Lust) + sin(Love). Oh no, just as I suspected, love is a SIN!

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 22:13 · Score: 0

So as the number of divorces you've had approaches zero, you lust goes to infinity... Also, if you've had zero beers, then bra size has no effect. Hey, if you're gonna post math on a discussion of love, expect the nerds to jump on you. So to speak.
Re:The difference between love and lust ... by cavac · 2004-02-15 10:13 · Score: 1

Well, i'm still working on the flaws in the formulas, so i'm still forced to do more field tests in the bar around the corner :-)

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:41 · Score: 1

Greetings from the statictical front
Ah an emissary from the dark side of the force!
You know, my stats prof said that stats isn't really math. My cs prof looked at me funny and went on to prove that it was. Gave me a headache for a few hours. You try to visualize 64k dimensional space.
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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:43 · Score: 1

So as the number of divorces you've had approaches zero, you lust goes to infinity...
hmm. You could do a Laplace smoothing.

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Re:The difference between love and lust ... by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:45 · Score: 1

No wonder attraction is so complex!
And irrational!
*ouch*

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I'm not sure... by tverbeek · 2004-02-14 08:13 · Score: 3, Insightful

...I'm ready to accept the idea that voles are capable of what we call "love", no matter what you inject them with. Even in humans, mating for life and loving someone aren't necessarily the same thing.

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Re:I'm not sure... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:30 · Score: 0

Read the article. The urge for mating and the urge for love are different things.
Re:I'm not sure... by Bozdune · 2004-02-14 09:54 · Score: 2, Funny

"Vole" is just love spelled sideways, sort of. I buy it.
Re:I'm not sure... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:51 · Score: 1, Funny

Oh, yeah. Forgot that humans are soooo great. We do all kinds of things that other animals can't do. Like, see, hear, smell, touch, and think! Yep, we humans sure are superior.

*Yawn*

Call me when all non-human animals start their first World War.
Re:I'm not sure... by Tango42 · 2004-02-14 11:29 · Score: 1

The word you're looking for is anagram. Vole is an *anagram* for love. "Spelled sideways" is just plain stupid.
Re:I'm not sure... by Tango42 · 2004-02-14 11:42 · Score: 1

Hmm... that came out as more of a flame than I meant it too... Apologies.
Re:I'm not sure... by Bromrrrrr · 2004-02-14 12:07 · Score: 1

Bah, complex words take all the charm out of conversation, I'll take "spelled sideways, sort of" over anagram any day :)

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Re:I'm not sure... by frisket · 2004-02-14 12:29 · Score: 2, Funny

But I don't want to have a relationship with a vole.
At least, not tonight...
Re:I'm not sure... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:29 · Score: 0

Animals kill each other all the time! Have you seen those fucking sharks! Jesus!
Re:I'm not sure... by Bozdune · 2004-02-14 15:56 · Score: 1

You're probably too young to remember the Libby's ad, starring Libby the Kid, who always finished the ad by saying "I'm Libby the Kid. That's Billy the Kid spelled sideways, sort of."

Nice of you to re-post. Obviously you are a gentleman/gentlelady.
Re:I'm not sure... by ShadowBlasko · 2004-02-14 19:41 · Score: 2, Funny

"Call me when all non-human animals start their first World War."

Now, this is not *world* war, but war in a sense.

If you ever get to Lake Cumberland Kentucky, go to the lodge near State Dock some evening in May or June around 8pm. Thats when the guests are leaving the buffet and walk out onto the deck, food in hand, for the evenings entertainment.

About 20 feet below, every evening, Groundhogs and Raccoons battle each other over position, and cute postures, trying to get food from patrons. This often becomes bloody, and the raccoons have taken to using weapons.

They will run with sticks, or brushes in their mouths, and push the groundhogs off the stumps, which gives the raccoons a better chance to "impress" the crowd, and get food thrown at them.

The groundhogs upped the ante, and *ate* the stumps down to nubs, eliminating the raccoons "performance stages".

The Raccoons then went to plan B, and started sending their *babies* in to fend for food. The babies come out, everyone "ooh's and ahhh's" and throws food. Then the babies take the food back to the adults, who wait just at the treeline.

Not to be outdone, the groundhogs began digging tunnels with entrances out near the patio and deck, under the bushes. When the food is tossed, they dart out (as well as a groundhog can dart) and snatch it before the baby raccoons can get it.

It calmed down a little in the late 90's when the lodge started making an honest effort to keep people from feeding this battle of animal will.

It still goes on however. Last time I was there, about two years ago, the raccoons had taken to climbing up the gutter drains, and walking up to customers and then just *tugging* on their clothing until they were *handed* food. (wimps).

Since the groundhogs don't climb so well, I dunno how they will beat this tactic. Although they still get their fair share, as many people are (and probably should be) unwilling to hand feed wild animals. Therefore what is thrown to the ground still goes to the groundhogs.

If thats not animal warfare, I don't know what is.

By the way, the groundhogs really did gnaw those stumps down to nothing. They stopped as soon as the stumps were gone, and have not been seen gnawing on any other wood. Just the "stages" that the raccoons performed on.

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Re:I'm not sure... by gabba_gabba_hey · 2004-02-14 20:56 · Score: 1

Hmm, normally I'd agree with you. However, after the week i've had I was about ready to give up on the whole relationship with another person thing and renew my former sordid affair with my right hand. Now I'm thinking voles may offer a distraction I hadn't previously considered ;)
Re:I'm not sure... by 0111+1110 · 2004-02-14 23:10 · Score: 1

Somehow I think the quality of the cuisine at this lodge has room for improvement.

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Re:I'm not sure... by eatdave13 · 2004-02-15 01:11 · Score: 1

That's why people don't listen when you speak.

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Why on earth would I want . . . by kfg · 2004-02-14 08:14 · Score: 5, Funny

an enamored vole following me around?

KFG

Re:Why on earth would I want . . . by Scrameustache · 2004-02-14 08:51 · Score: 4, Funny

an enamored vole following me around?

Enamored vole: The self-propelled snack!

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Re:Why on earth would I want . . . by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:49 · Score: 0

vole: the other white meat
Re:Why on earth would I want . . . by first.last · 2004-02-14 12:27 · Score: 0

You snack on voles?
I think I know why you don't have a significant other.

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Definition of economics by azzy · 2004-02-14 08:14 · Score: 5, Insightful

I remember back at school when I studied economics, the textbook claimed the definition to be: The study of human behaviour. I suppose that people being in love, that it affects their behaviour.. means that it falls into the definition of economics.. that and the extend to which valentines day is now just a market driven spend spend spend event.

Re:Definition of economics by Scrameustache · 2004-02-14 13:52 · Score: 2, Interesting

valentines day is now just a market driven spend spend spend event.

Considering that its a completely artificial "holiday" created to give the economy a consummerism boost exactly between xmas and easter, you shouldn't be surprised.

My favourite valentines tradition is discovering yet another bogus origin story to valentine's day.

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Do these injections... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:15 · Score: 5, Funny

...have to be administered directly to the cardiac muscle? If so, that would explain Cupid's strange behavior.

Strategy B by Tablizer · 2004-02-14 08:17 · Score: 5, Funny

Me: "Boss, please don't send my job to India."

[Poke!]

Boss: "Oww! What was that?.....Don't worry darling, you are safe with me."

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Re:Strategy B by abes · 2004-02-14 08:27 · Score: 1

And then comes Plan B to deal with the after effects.
Re:Strategy B by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:19 · Score: 1

Who ever said it's a male/female? Who needs "Plan B" crap with gay sex?

Whom Do You Love? by Kehl · 2004-02-14 08:18 · Score: 5, Insightful

Ok you get your Spouse a love injection but how does that tie there love to you?
Imagine waking up one morning only to find shes ran off with the milkman! :/

Re:Whom Do You Love? by Dr+Tall · 2004-02-14 08:23 · Score: 2, Informative

I would think you're supposed to administer it while you're out at dinner together or having sex, etc.
Re:Whom Do You Love? by sckeener · 2004-02-16 04:40 · Score: 1

they cover that in the article. Basically during your life you form a 'blueprint to love' (their words.)

So if you gave the injection (which there would be at least 3 types,) you would just send the target down their roadmap to love. If you are in their path, good for you; however, if someone else meets more of their internal rankings, then you are a speed bump towards their intended target.

this was their explantion for people who seem to date the same type of person over and over again.

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Screw love by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:18 · Score: 5, Funny

I rather see an article on the science of casual sex.

Re:Screw love by Lobsang · 2004-02-14 10:44 · Score: 1

Rather than an injection (ugh) that makes someone love me, I'd rather have a painless spray that makes ladies want to have casual and immediate sex with me.

That, yes, would rule. :)
Re:Screw love by digitalsushi · 2004-02-14 14:46 · Score: 1

Yeah but would it undo the cootie spray she put on just prior for protection?

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Re:Screw love by eatdave13 · 2004-02-15 01:14 · Score: 1

It's called deodorant. I swear to God it works.

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Silly. Think: Mare! by SharpFang · 2004-02-14 08:19 · Score: 2, Funny

Although, when she's in heat, you'd rather wish her to stop, as this can get quite exhausting, but just in case...

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Re:I would give half my life by Kehl · 2004-02-14 08:22 · Score: 2, Funny

Lollipops and candy usually work for me!

Followed by ..... would you like to see my puppies =)

Some great new spam! by simcop2387 · 2004-02-14 08:23 · Score: 5, Funny

(i am not trolling i don't think)

Are you one of the 80% of men who has a lower than average ability to get your partner to fall in love? Well boy do we have a product for you! Liagra! With Liagra you can finally get both your secretary and your wife to love you and each other!! only 6 easy payments of $49.95!

i wonder how long before we see this

Re:Some great new spam! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:27 · Score: 0

i wonder how long before we see this

Are you one of the 80% of men who has a lower than average ability to get your partner to fall in love? Well boy do we have a product for you! Liagra! With Liagra you can finally get both your secretary and your wife to love you and each other!! only 6 easy payments of $49.95!

6 hours

er... by xankar · 2004-02-14 08:24 · Score: 5, Funny

wait, i thought beer was already invented.

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Re:er... by JeremyALogan · 2004-02-15 02:43 · Score: 1, Funny

no no no... you're thinking of roofies

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Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 08:25 · Score: 1

i meant 15-30 years old :o)

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Seduction by zensufi · 2004-02-14 08:26 · Score: 5, Interesting

Well, there are sites such as fastseduction.com that provide guides that are based upon the premise that lust and love are remarkably similar and can be installed in people by using using certain patterns of behavior. Click, whirr, anyone?

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Re:Seduction by seminumerical · 2004-02-14 09:18 · Score: 1

The fast seduction site is very interesting. I mean the extent that people will go to systemize a body of knowledge! acronyms, theories, etc. about picking up girls and closing the deal.

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Re:Seduction by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:34 · Score: 0

NLP and the similar kind of stuff promoted on those sites are huge jokes. The only reason they seem successful is because they get shy guys to go out and talk to women. This leads to social skills and social skills leads to friends and friends leads to relationships... or pickups... or whatever.
Re:Seduction by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 12:21 · Score: 0

Strong in the Farce, you are!
Re:Seduction by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 16:25 · Score: 0

As a nice guy(AFC) that is perpetually getting dumped on I found this site very enlightening.

The basic premise seems to be that you are not trying to get women to like you as a person, which has been what I was brought up and brainwashed to think. You just want to get them to want to have sex with you. The liking part comes later, which is why so many relationships turn into bad relationships.

Still this seems to be the way women are wired in spite of all the feminism BS that has been preached to me all these years.
Re:Seduction by eatdave13 · 2004-02-15 01:36 · Score: 2, Interesting

Yes. That's exactly it. Let me clue you in...

Don't give them the chance to get to know you. Really. Don't. They probably won't like you. I'm not saying that in a pessimistic or mysoginistic way, it's just the simple truth. You probably won't like them either if you wait to get to know them. Think about it. Would you be willing to deal with someone's flaws (yeah, everybody has them, and most people have bad ones) if there was nothing there? No, you'd walk away unless you're the type that falls in love with someone you don't even really know. And no, you don't really know someone until you've had sex with them. Trust me on this one if you've never had sex, and if you have stayed with someone for more than two weeks after sleeping with them you know what I'm talking about.
Fuck them the first chance you get. Wear a rubber. Don't get attached too fast. Don't be too nice. Don't be a jerk. If it feels uncomfortable, don't do it, even if you think you should. That applies to buying her flowers just as much as it applies to getting a thumb in the ass. I've seen girls get completely freaked when their weekend boyfriend called too much or bought them flowers for no reason. If it's time to buy flowers, you'll know, and it could be 2 weeks or two years. It's never, ever 2 days. Be confident in what you're confident in. Don't try false confidence unless you're real good at faking things, 'cause you'll fuck it up.
Those stupid tricks really do work if you have the right mentality, but if you haven't been practicing pretty much your whole life you'll just come across as creepy. I can't pull that crap off, but there's plenty of guys who can.

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, just go get laid. Pretend you're interested just enough. The rest will come later. That's just the way the human race has always worked. You've watched too many movies and listened to your mother talk too many times.

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Re:Seduction by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 15:53 · Score: 0

This is deserving of informative / insightful.

Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 08:28 · Score: 0, Troll

i wanna marry anh have children desperatelly :o(

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The ultimate love chemical.... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:28 · Score: 5, Funny

...Is the ink they print money with.

Re:The ultimate love chemical.... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:38 · Score: 1, Funny

somehow i dont think paiting yourself with ink will get the girls all over you

Sounds like a Kiss song by fsandford · 2004-02-14 08:29 · Score: 1, Funny

"Calling Dr. Love, I got the cure your thinking of" Sorry, I may be too old.

Genes versus moral choice by Nakito · 2004-02-14 08:30 · Score: 5, Insightful

Here is a key empirical observation from the article: Mating between prairie voles is a tremendous 24-hour effort. After this, they bond for life.... However, another vole, a close relative called the montane vole, has no interest in partnership beyond one-night-stand sex. What is intriguing is that these vast differences in behaviour are the result of a mere handful of genes. The two vole species are more than 99% alike, genetically.

Imagine the implications for churches if it turns out that fidelity is based on genetic propensities rather than moral choice. On the other hand, if the concept of "original sin" is to be believed, perhaps that is what they have been saying all along.

Re:Genes versus moral choice by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 16:54 · Score: 0

Imagine the implications for churches if it turns out that fidelity is based on genetic propensities rather than moral choice.

What's the difference?

Everything that goes on in your body is controlled by chemicals that are in turn controlled by genes, but I assume you would at least claim that you control the higher-order functions by choice.

Apply physics as far as possible to the brain and all action is essentially deterministic. Free will does not exist. Nothing you do is your "choice" by the standard definition.

If, on the other hand, you want to have free will, then this doesn't matter. Chemically regulated or not, fidelity is a choice, just as much as what you eat for dinner and whether or not you reply to this post.
Re:Genes versus moral choice by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 22:22 · Score: 0

[orthodox christian zeal]
The original sin is not sexual promisquity, but pride - the humans wanted to rival God Himself by becoming as knowledgeable as Him at once.
Sex was intended as a tool for love.
[/orthodox christian zeal]
P.S. The pope is a heretic, declared 1054.

The heck with injections by ackthpt · 2004-02-14 08:32 · Score: 5, Funny

Q: What's the difference between a dog and a fox?

A: A sixpack.

"Alcohol: Helping men get sex for thousands of years."

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Re:The heck with injections by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:34 · Score: 0

no thanks, i prefer female human beings, you freak.
Re:The heck with injections by JebusIsLord · 2004-02-14 12:25 · Score: 1

you ruined the joke, it's "beer, helping ugly girls get laid since 4127 BC"

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Re:The heck with injections by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:05 · Score: 0

Love is an advanced stage of lust.
Re:The heck with injections by shadowbearer · 2004-02-14 18:38 · Score: 1

Damn, I haven't heard that one in better than twenty years. Thanks for the laugh :) Brings back memories, it does. Considering the jokes we used to laugh about in college, it's a wonder any of us ever got laid back then :)

Woof.

SB

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Re:The heck with injections by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:24 · Score: 1

A: A sixpack.
sadly, this one took me a minute.
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Re:The heck with injections by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 11:48 · Score: 1

so lust is like a radioactive element that decomposes into love?
weird.

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Re:The heck with injections by PD · 2004-02-15 17:59 · Score: 1

Get help. You may be an alcoholic. It should take approximately a half hour to finish a sixpack.

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What about the voles? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:32 · Score: 0

(wont somebody please think of the voles?)

Re:I would give half my life by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:34 · Score: 0

who are you Michael Jackson?

Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 08:35 · Score: 1

why the hell michael jackson? who is that?

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I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Richard+Allen · 2004-02-14 08:36 · Score: 5, Insightful

I'm not sure I'd draw the same conclusions as the author here. They start off by saying that sex will enduce certain chemicals which will in turn help to cause a feeling of lust or love in the voles. Then they go on to say if they inject certain chemicals in voles, it will cause them to "fall in love". But people (believe it or not) often fall in love sometimes without having sex. In other words, their thoughts produce the chemicals, which obviously is opposite of saying the chemicals produce the thoughts. It's a which comes first, the chicken or the egg problem. I think injecting chemicals in people would produce the euphoric state they mention in the article, but there needs to be thought processes along side of that to produce love.

I'm probably missing something here from their logic. Please correct me if so. Thanks.

Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:49 · Score: 0

Easy, You need to fall in love, your brain then if the oportuny araise throw a lot of chemicals, and kaboom, you are in love. Then Sex and everything else, its like a paycheck for the trouble. (because if you dont get sex quickly you wont continue with the effort thats why the love thing). Oh well i dont care.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Requiem+Aristos · 2004-02-14 08:51 · Score: 4, Insightful

It's a feedback loop; thoughts producing chemicals and chemicals producing thoughts are not mutually exclusive events. You can have both; it's like a program that can edit its code while running.

To take another topic, you can feel depressed because of the right (wrong?) chemicals in your brain. You could also feel depressed if you think thoughts that create those same chemicals. To "cure" depression, you could inject chemicals to balance things out, or you could think thoughts that do the same thing. The injection technique is likely more effective for many.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:03 · Score: 0

I think you did miss something.

The article mentioned that when the prarie voles were injected but did not actually engage in sex, they still had a strong tendency towards pairing.

So yeah, it's not just sex that can produce the chemicals in humans, but they still may play a factor in love.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Tim · 2004-02-14 10:06 · Score: 3, Interesting

"To "cure" depression, you could inject chemicals to balance things out, or you could think thoughts that do the same thing. The injection technique is likely more effective for many."

They're about equal in effectiveness, actually. Current studies on depressed patients treated with cognitive therapy, antidepressants, or a combination of both, show that both methods have about equal efficacy, with the combined approach working best.

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Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by tumbaumba · 2004-02-14 11:22 · Score: 1

They start off by saying that sex will enduce certain chemicals which will in turn help to cause a feeling of lust or love in the voles. Then they go on to say if they inject certain chemicals in voles, it will cause them to "fall in love".

It is the same idea as the one used in psychotropic medications like zoloft, prozac and alike. When you are happy and not depressed you develop some chemicals in your brains. So if you are depressed we just give these chemicals. Now if whole of your been tells you to be unhappy because your grand mother just died, but you artificially maintain those "happy" chemicals what happens? Most of the time nothing, but once in a while someone goes completely berserk and kills all his family members, himself or does something crazy like this.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 12:58 · Score: 2, Interesting

with the combined approach working best

Which is sort of logical. While cognitive therapy can teach you to recognize and eventually avoid distorted thinking, it does not do much to help get out of a depression you're in. Medication can help to get out of the cycle of depressed thinking => depression => more depressed thinking. When back in a 'normal' frame of mind, it is a lot easier to see the patterns and avoid slipping back.

The wikipedia article you mentioned does a good job of describing the therapy and the thinking behind it and I'm sure you know this, but because of the gist of this thread I'd like to clarify that it is NOT about thinking happy thoughts to be happy. Peter Pan is NOT involved in any way :). It is more about being realistic about your thoughts and not projecting your own feelings on others.

Anyway it worked like hell for me, I've been of medication and any sort of therapy for about a year now and I find it increasingly harder to imagine how I felt 2 years ago.

Anyway, posting this AC because it is a bit personal, so please don't hate me.
Shit everybody hates AC's, they must all hate me. I'm sure the editors can find out who I am and they'll all laugh at me (oops *dashes back to the meds* :)
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 13:34 · Score: 0

You're simplifying things to a point of ridicule. Psychiatric diseases are real diseases as much as the flu, malaria or whatever, physically there is not much difference, something is wrong and your body reacts (ie you get a fever or you get depressed).

Mourning.over your grandmother is a normal human process and has nothing to do with depression and I doubt that medication would make you feel happy (unless it was medication of the illegal kind :))

Medication in case of depressions is mostly about fighting symptoms untill a cure (through therapy) comes along. In some cases no amount of therapy will help and all we are left with is fighting the symptoms.

but once in a while someone goes completely berserk and kills all his family members, himself or does something crazy like this

I call bullshit! I never heard of any killing spree that was attributed to using anti depressants. Prove your point or I will regard you as a troll.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by tumbaumba · 2004-02-14 17:23 · Score: 2, Insightful

I call bullshit! I never heard of any killing spree that was attributed to using anti depressants. Prove your point or I will regard you as a troll.

See here. I did not believe it until I saw it first hand. I.e. the person became uncontrollably aggressive, braking dishes, shaking, trying to hurt himself, not once mind you. Those side effects happen rare, but when they happen, trust me, you don't want to be around.
Re:I know this is tongue-in-cheek article, but ... by vldmr_krn · 2004-02-14 18:44 · Score: 1

In other words, their thoughts produce the chemicals, which obviously is opposite of saying the chemicals produce the thoughts. It's a which comes first, the chicken or the egg problem.

The chemicals are the thoughts (feelings, actually).

Maybe too far.. by TimTurnip · 2004-02-14 08:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

I'm as interested in science as the next geek. I'm stoked that I understand that lightning is a result of static, and not God striking down his wrath...I'm also happy that I'm not worried about California falling off into the ocean, thanks to Ms. Schneider's geology teaching.

But this might be going a little too far. Love is one of those things that I'm comfortable not understanding - and uncomfortable understanding.

Call me crazy...but I'm happy knowing that I love my fiancee, and thinking that it's because of her humor/mannerisms/beauty/etc.

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Re:Maybe too far.. by ari_j · 2004-02-14 09:16 · Score: 1

s/humor\/mannerisms\/beauty\/etc\./not rejecting me/
Re:Maybe too far.. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:17 · Score: 0

You'd rather accept a lie if it makes you feel better?
Re:Maybe too far.. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:37 · Score: 0

You'd rather accept a lie if it makes you feel better?

Yeah, Dean is going to be a great president!
Re:Maybe too far.. by Planesdragon · 2004-02-14 09:38 · Score: 3, Funny

I'm stoked that I understand that lightning is a result of static, and not God striking down his wrath...

Maybe you would be even more stoked if you understood that lightning is a result of differential charges between clouds and the surface, not the clouds and the surface rubbing up against each other.

Oh, and the lightning bolt itself isn't God's wrath. God's wrath is when a bolt 'randomly' hits YOU.
Re:Maybe too far.. by Bromrrrrr · 2004-02-14 13:55 · Score: 3, Insightful

Well I guess this is a point that the scientists in question must poor over when they drive home to their spouses.

Seriously though, people still enjoy roller-coaster rides, even though the physics are very well understood. Being a geek you must have realized at some point that love is really just a chemical reaction in your brain. Giving a name to the chemicals doesn't change anything. Just sit back and enjoy the ride!

Granted though "how is your oxytocin today?" doesn't sound anywhere near as endearing as "do you love me?":)

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Re:Maybe too far.. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 22:47 · Score: 0

"Oh, and the lightning bolt itself isn't God's wrath. God's wrath is when a bolt 'randomly' hits YOU."

As opposed when it hits purposfully YOU?

Tels
Re:Maybe too far.. by danila · 2004-02-15 02:17 · Score: 1

You are happy, so what? The point is you are addicted to certain chemicals and are unable to think objectively about your fiancee and the time you spend with her. When I was in love, I felt the same way, but right now (and before) I can think objectively and I can tell you that I prefer it this way.

I am happy knowing that I can behave in a way best for me and not for my genes. I am happy that I can prevent myself from falling in love again and just live alone nicely. You, on the other hand, are doing what you were programmed to do and I can feel nothing but pity towards you.

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Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:40 · Score: 0

I think you meant to reply to the original poster, not me.

It's self-administered... by The+Tyro · 2004-02-14 08:40 · Score: 4, Interesting

for some people, particularly women. Interesting to note that the article mentions oxytocin as one of the chemicals that promotes person to person binding... yet they fail to mention breast-feeding.

Mothers who advocate breast feeding often say that it's a bonding experience for them and their baby... perhaps they're more right than they know, since Oxytocin is released in the human body by nipple stimulation.

If Oxytocin truly promotes interpersonal bonding in people, that opens up all kinds of interesting avenues of research.

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Re:It's self-administered... by zepher-109 · 2004-02-14 08:45 · Score: 0, Flamebait

they are talking about the chemicals in this article, the actions that produce those chemicals are of no importance. so, just inject oxytocin and it's the same effect as breast feeding, there was no need to mention it.
Re:It's self-administered... by 4of12 · 2004-02-16 07:24 · Score: 1

Oxytocin.

That would be different from Oxycontin, then.

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Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:41 · Score: 0

Nope, I meant you, because you seem to be really bad at guessing peoples' ages.

love is chemical by Doc+Ruby · 2004-02-14 08:41 · Score: 2, Funny

The difference betwen Windows and Linux is just the order and quantity of bits in RAM. Every human experience is just the difference of a few chemicals in the brain. But why go to such lengths, when love (or lust) can be injected into your target with $10 of organic chemicals, inserted as flowers into her hands? Try it today, in a cocktail therapy with labial skin molecules applied topically.

"When I see the way you paint your lips
and I smell your perfume
when I see the brand new color
that you've dyed your hair, too
I know, you know, it's more than physical
My love, my love, my love, love is chemical"
- Lou Reed, "My Love Is Chemical"

(my love is chimerical)

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Re:love is chemical by GWTPict · 2004-02-14 13:13 · Score: 1

Because she has hay fever and they make her sneeze. Chocolate however.......

Great acticle, full text (now slashdotted...) by Andreas(R) · 2004-02-14 08:43 · Score: 3, Informative

The science of love

Scientists are finding that, after all, love really is down to a chemical addiction between people

OVER the course of history it has been artists, poets and playwrights who have made the greatest progress in humanity's understanding of love. Romance has seemed as inexplicable as the beauty of a rainbow. But these days scientists are challenging that notion, and they have rather a lot to say about how and why people love each other.

Is this useful? The scientists think so. For a start, understanding the neurochemical pathways that regulate social attachments may help to deal with defects in people's ability to form relationships. All relationships, whether they are those of parents with their children, spouses with their partners, or workers with their colleagues, rely on an ability to create and maintain social ties. Defects can be disabling, and become apparent as disorders such as autism and schizophrenia--and, indeed, as the serious depression that can result from rejection in love. Research is also shedding light on some of the more extreme forms of sexual behaviour. And, controversially, some utopian fringe groups see such work as the doorway to a future where love is guaranteed because it will be provided chemically, or even genetically engineered from conception.
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The Journal of Comparative Neurology publishes an abstract of Dr Young's article on prairie voles. Northern State University has a profile of the prairie vole. Test how loved-up you are with Economist.com's love quiz.

The scientific tale of love begins innocently enough, with voles. The prairie vole is a sociable creature, one of the only 3% of mammal species that appear to form monogamous relationships. Mating between prairie voles is a tremendous 24-hour effort. After this, they bond for life. They prefer to spend time with each other, groom each other for hours on end and nest together. They avoid meeting other potential mates. The male becomes an aggressive guard of the female. And when their pups are born, they become affectionate and attentive parents. However, another vole, a close relative called the montane vole, has no interest in partnership beyond one-night-stand sex. What is intriguing is that these vast differences in behaviour are the result of a mere handful of genes. The two vole species are more than 99% alike, genetically.

Why do voles fall in love?

The details of what is going on--the vole story, as it were--is a fascinating one. When prairie voles have sex, two hormones called oxytocin and vasopressin are released. If the release of these hormones is blocked, prairie-voles' sex becomes a fleeting affair, like that normally enjoyed by their rakish montane cousins. Conversely, if prairie voles are given an injection of the hormones, but prevented from having sex, they will still form a preference for their chosen partner. In other words, researchers can make prairie voles fall in love--or whatever the vole equivalent of this is--with an injection.

A clue to what is happening--and how these results might bear on the human condition--was found when this magic juice was given to the montane vole: it made no difference. It turns out that the faithful prairie vole has receptors for oxytocin and vasopressin in brain regions associated with reward and reinforcement, whereas the montane vole does not. The question is, do humans (another species in the 3% of allegedly monogamous mammals) have brains similar to prairie voles?

To answer that question you need to dig a little deeper. As Larry Young, a researcher into social attachment at Emory University, in Atlanta, Georgia, explains, the brain has a reward system designed to make voles (and people and other animals) do what they ought to. Without it, they might forget to eat, drink and have sex--with disastrous resu

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:44 · Score: 0

I'm not the one posting pics of a 9 year old girl in a devil outfit.

At least the Linux chicks are of age.

Re:Ceren, be my valentine! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:45 · Score: 0

The women who look good in latex outfits are usually of the 'cheap bitch' type, not the 'cute girl' type.

Re:I would give half my life by AhBeeDoi · 2004-02-14 08:47 · Score: 1

I don't care what the weather is like, keep your raincoat on.

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:47 · Score: 0

But you obviously can't tell a 9 year old from a 24 year old.

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:48 · Score: 0

24 years old? Surreee.

Tell that to the FBI agent knocking on your door, pedo.

You better hide evidence of your nerco-BSD fetish too, becuase thats just as bad.

Re:I would give half my life by yacineparis.com · 2004-02-14 08:48 · Score: 0, Troll

Rape me, rape me my friend
Rape me, rape me again
Im not the only one (4x)
Hate me
Do it And do it Again
Waste me
Rape me, my friend
Im not the only one (4x)

My favorite inside source
I'll kiss your open sores
Appreciate your concern
You'll always stink and burn...

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Fascinating quote - Snort coke or fall in love? by mikeymckay · 2004-02-14 08:48 · Score: 2, Interesting

"Parts of the brain that are love-bitten include the one responsible for gut feelings, and the ones which generate the euphoria induced by drugs such as cocaine. So the brains of people deeply in love do not look like those of people experiencing strong emotions, but instead like those of people snorting coke."

Additional Reading by giminy · 2004-02-14 08:49 · Score: 5, Interesting

I'd suggest reading about the economy of orgasms as well.

Science is wonderful, isn't it?

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Hmm given the 'Love' injection to a vole by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:50 · Score: 0

I could start a website.. or a religion

Rubbish Article by Gantic · 2004-02-14 08:50 · Score: 0, Offtopic

I'm just bitter.

Just chemicals by Hobobo · 2004-02-14 08:51 · Score: 0, Flamebait

It's lame when people say something is "Just chemicals." Everything to do with biology is "just chemicals." Newton writing his laws of physics is the result of "just chemicals" just like me writing this is.

Re:Just chemicals by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:02 · Score: 0

no, Newton writing his laws was the result of "just chemicals" and "just physics" :)
Re:Just chemicals by KYeti · 2004-02-14 10:10 · Score: 2, Interesting

A great book by Mil Millington

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/08 12 966678/qid=1076794438//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104 -1945870-9039113?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

called A Certain Chemistry focuses on this very subject.

Its the tale of a guy who cheats on his long-term g/f told from the perspective of god. Its a great book for anyone who's just been dumped or has turned all bitter. ^_^

It explains alot of the chemical theories behind love and lust.

Although personally i dont have a problem with love being controlled by chemicals. Humans are, after all, just animals. I read a new scientist article that read "conciousness is a illusion", (no article avadable, but here are the responses http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opletters.jsp? id=ns23634) that basically says conciousness is just a whiteboard we use to work out things like morals, and socal interaction. Most of the time, we are not conscious at all.

Does it make love any less real? Does it somehow detract from the magic of it? i doubt it.

*first post, be kind

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Re:Just chemicals by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-14 10:52 · Score: 0, Troll

Sadly enough for you, your whining is still "just" chemical reactions. The universe operates the way it does regardless of what you think.

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Re:Just chemicals by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 11:36 · Score: 0

To what end do we
Proceed so boldly
If all we are is
Chemical reactions
And what world have you
Deftly sold me
If you reduce me

If I have no soul to touch
No heart to love
No evil to rise up above
No angels and no ghosts
No real victories to toast
If you believe that this is true
Then I must ask
To what end do you proceed

NO FIRE IN OUR EYES
NO STEEL IN OUR HEARTS
NO MAGIC IN OUR SONGS
ARE WE JUST EMPTY VESSELS

Did I not feel your love
Did I not feel your hate
And did my heart not beat
And did my heart not break
And are these tears for naught
And are these worlds in vain
If this is all we are then what
HAVE WE TO GAIN

What of all the art and books
Music and poetry
What of all our memories
What of OUR HOPES AND DREAMS
They hold no value then
We hold no faith but greed
So I must ask you
To what end do we proceed?
Re:Just chemicals by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 00:06 · Score: 0

There's something about your post that makes me want to insult you somehow. Oh, I believe it's called chemistry!

HOMOPHOBIA?? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:51 · Score: 0

why was this modded down? I'm not a gay person, but I have nothing against gay people and I think this is a legitmate question that no one has really managed to answer. we wont get anywhere in society trying to shun people, sheesh.

Re:HOMOPHOBIA?? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:05 · Score: 0

I could go on for hours about this, but the simple answer is one word: Yes.

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:53 · Score: 0

Sigh. Well, enjoy hitting on elderly women then, if that's your thing.

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:54 · Score: 0

You just heard it here, folks.

A BSD user considers anyone of legal age to be "elderly".

So disgusting.

Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 08:54 · Score: 0, Offtopic

hell how is that flamebait?

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Re:I would give half my life by Morologous · 2004-02-14 08:55 · Score: 1

Based on your spelling I would recommend that you do not procreate.

who modded this down? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:56 · Score: 0

Love should be for all to share - not just straight people. I used to consider Slashdot to be a pretty open minded place, but after seeing this, I'm starting to reconsider.

Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:57 · Score: 0

Well, I don't know how to make it more clear: Ceren Ercen is in her mid-twenties, therefore totally legal, and you should probably be looking at these pictures as you don't seem to like nice young women.

Love by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 08:58 · Score: 0

I'm generally not attracted to men, but my God something about Hitler just drives me absolutely batty! That dramatic sweep of hair across his brow, like he just tossed his head and there it fell, a cascade of black like the velvet curtain of night. I want him to take me on the hood of a King Tiger, its 1400 horsepower engine revving as he violates the virginal secrets of my Eagle's Nest.

I picture it like those glorious mass rallies the Nazis used to have. There he is lovingly pounding away at my second front while legions of goose-stepping Aryans march past and salute our union.

Just as Hitler is about to empty his tiny ubermenschen into the expanse of my Liebe-raum a wing of Stukas will fly overhead, their sirens howling in synchronicity with the primal cries of pleasure from Der Fuehrer.

My god, what a man!

-Michael Sims

We better update it. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:01 · Score: 0

Tell me why the stars do shine
Tell me why the ivy twines
Tell me why the sky's so blue
And I will tell you why I love you.

Nuclear fusion makes stars to shine
Phototropism makes ivy twine
Rayleigh Scattering makes sky so blue
// Sexual hormones are why I love you.
oxytocin and vasopressin are why I love you.

Re:We better update it. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 03:57 · Score: 0

why, thank you but no. Rats remember each other by smell. I do take a bath from time to time so smell-based monogamy won't work with me. Besides, today I'm using Gina's perfume.

YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:02 · Score: 0

foad

Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:06 · Score: 0

Well, no shit, smarty pants. If I thought this were a serious discussion, I'd have posted under my real ID. Dork.
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:07 · Score: 0

sorry, if you thought it was a serious discussion, you wouldn't have bothered to even deal with me. You replied to a troll, therefore you lose!
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:13 · Score: 0

How do you know I wasn't trolling you? Tool.
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:14 · Score: 0

Irrelevant. You replied to my troll, therefore you are considered trolled.
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:15 · Score: 0

Well, you replied to mine and don't even realize it by now. How pathetic is that?
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:24 · Score: 0

I wANT tO pUT mY pEE pEE iN yOUR pOO pOO hOLE!
Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:27 · Score: 0

Negative.

Reminds me.. by mog007 · 2004-02-14 09:02 · Score: 1

love and lust is little more than a bunch of chemicals

Of a scene from an underrated movie "Trial and Error" where a woman is on the stand for showing the difference between a cocaine molecule and table a sugar molecule is a few atoms, and she responds: "Yes, but that's practically nothing, I mean, how big is an atom?"

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Fool me twice...shame on me... by skoaldipper · 2004-02-14 09:03 · Score: 4, Interesting

Yeah, right...

These ain't scientists. They're researchers in the marketing department. I fell for your female attracting hormone scents in the back of magazines years ago. And all I got for it was a rash and had to bathe myself in tomato sauce to remove the stink. And, by the way, if you ever had to rub yourself all over with tomato sauce for hours, you will discover true love. Trust me on that one...

Now, it's off to the grocery store. I see my pantry is running low on Hunt's again.

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DIY home test by dj245 · 2004-02-14 09:04 · Score: 0, Redundant

"Honey, how come you don't say 'I Love You' anymore?"

If the difference between love and lust is different chemicals, how long before we see urine or blood tests for paranoid wives to check to see if their cheating lazy husbands still love them?

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Causation? by JayBlalock · 2004-02-14 09:06 · Score: 4, Insightful

Why is it that whenever neurologists discover some section of the brain or chemical that causes physiological condition X to come about, they seem to automatically assume that they have found the actual CAUSE of Condition X? Maybe I'm just silly, but I can't so blindly accept that brain in such an easily-mapped organic machine.

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Re:Causation? by rark · 2004-02-14 13:18 · Score: 2, Interesting

more than that, the comments in the first paragraph were a little, er, loose with the science. In schizophrenia the social implications come from the brain not getting other information correct. It's difficult to handle social interaction when your reality is different from everyone else's. Whether or not this is the case in autism is more debateable, but I think if you floated the idea that autism is caused or would be significantly helped by an increase in bonding hormones, you'd have to provide far more evidence than handwaving to be taken seriously. There's too much evidence for other causes (like scrambled sensory input during the years where social interaction schemes are first put down -- this also explains why some infants/toddlers in institutions where they do not receive significant interaction from caregivers display 'autistic like' behavior -- they do so because they don't get the interaction that an autistic child does get, but can't take advantage of because of the sensory scrambling -- I'm not saying that this set of theories is correct either, but there's a hell of a lot more evidence that that approach than a hormonal imbalance).

But it sort of quietly echos the refrigerator mother hypothesis, which is well disproven now. It also implies that people with autism or schizophrenia have some innate issue with falling in love or bonding, caused by their illness, which isn't generally the case and is a problematic assumption made by people who don't have these conditions who then manage to project them on those that do.

bah. rantrant
Re:Causation? by GWTPict · 2004-02-14 13:26 · Score: 1

You do realize that indulging in independant thought like that could get you into a lot of trouble? Hallmark employ a lot of ex special forces types...

Hope chemical approach will work by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 09:07 · Score: 0, Redundant

and i will happilly use it for whatewver money it will cost if it helps me to get a life. however for now i am starting to develop software which will pass turing test and will be able to love me. may be i am crazy. but i will take every chance to win love until the very end of my life. even if it will not give me children which i want desperatelly

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Re:Hope chemical approach will work by Bambi+Dee · 2004-02-14 21:00 · Score: 1

maybe it'll be possible to chemically induce *falling in love*, but (as can be witnessed all the time) that alone doesn't guarantee a healthy relationship... much less, I would assume, if the candidates' heads had to be tampered with to get them to fall in love in the first place. Experiments on voles notwithstanding.

Still, I must say I'm not quite as opposed to the "chemical approach" as I thought I was. If two people already get along very well as "just friends" and wish to ...upgrade... their relationship ~ well, why not. (I'm pissed off with all that pointless animal torture involved, though.)

Then again ~ don't you think most people would find the idea that your love for them has been chemically induced rather... disheartening? ("I suck so much he has to inject this stuff in order to love me!")

Your program, I suspect, will not pass the Turing test, ever -- not with you: you will, after all, always know that it's just that - a program that *you* *wrote*. Don't let that stop you, though... it's quite a fascinating idea (I guess it's pretty common among computer-savvy lonely people? I might've tried doing the same had I felt I was up to it, which I'm not. It's easier to fall in love ;)

Well... I'm sorry if I overstepped some boundaries here. Just felt like giving some feedback.

perhaps by The+Tyro · 2004-02-14 09:10 · Score: 4, Insightful

if you've got endless cash, and the ability to purchase medical devices and pharmaceuticals without a presciption then you're golden.

However, I should point out that most pharmacies will NOT sell syringes, needles, and a bag of Pitocin to you (Pitocin is synthetic Oxytocin). In fact, I think they'd be quite skittish if they found out you were planning on using them on your hot date...

Besides, without any research to reference, do you know how much oxytocin to give? 1000 Units? 10000 Units? Do you know where and how to administer it (IM, SQ, SC, IV)? Can you adminster it to a woman without being charged with assault/battery? How many dates are going to let you shoot them up with some random drug? (well, OK... I guess there are some of those women out there, but you don't want one of them falling in love with you...)

*sigh* I wasn't going to say it, but you could just use the time-honored (and poor man's) method of producing oxytocin... in a word: foreplay.

This discussion can now officially go nowhere but downhill...

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Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 09:11 · Score: 2, Insightful

go away :o) my english spelling is probably better than your spelling of czech language

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Re:I would give half my life by armando_wall · 2004-02-14 09:19 · Score: 1

Come one, man... go out there! Czech girls are pretty and very nice. I met one once, and she was amazing... no need to pose or pretend.

Go ahead, break the paradigms, do something! You can do it, man!

Trouser Snake by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:28 · Score: 0

Actually, it is called the'hot beef' injection, but I can see where most guys confuse the two ...

What about spiritual love? by Goeland86 · 2004-02-14 09:30 · Score: 3, Interesting

I'd like those guys to explain to me how they will explain how people can fall in love over the net if their theory is so strong... How do you start getting "addicted" to loving someone you haven't met in real life before? I mean, how would they explain the fact that before even meeting the other person you have realistic dreams (not involving any kind of sexual scenes)? I have been chatting with webcams and talking on the phone with a girl since October, and I know she is the one, and I haven't seen her anywhere in my life before... Anybody else thinks that science is and will always be limited, whereas the human mind can go against it?

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Re:What about spiritual love? by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 09:48 · Score: 1

how true you are. i exactly know what you are talking about. i think that love is completely software implementation - yes, it uses various inputs from different hardware sensors but no one from these sensors is essencial. but the whole available imput is parsed by soul kernel and can lead in love

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Goeland86 · 2004-02-14 10:02 · Score: 1

mmm, I'm not sure it's as simple as you describe it... I think there's one more dimension to the soul that science will never be able to grasp. Life in general is not just a bunch of chemical reactions behaving to logical laws, however complex they might be. There's something more behing it. Otherwise everything that happened and is to happen would be written or determined already. Freedom of thinking is not something that is a series of chemical reactions. At least not entirely. Those scientists are just dumbass capitalists that have not grasped the fact that there will always be something beyond comprehension, although it may not be god.

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Re:What about spiritual love? by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 10:10 · Score: 1

i thing you are right. however it wont stop me from trying. i want love desperatelly

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Re:What about spiritual love? by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-14 10:40 · Score: 0, Troll

The theory does not state that only physical interaction will be a part of it. In this case, you seem fairly desperate (looking online?) and you have found an attractive (you can still see them) female.

Science is only as limited as humanity's scope of the universe is. That is, only what we can know is what we can know. Anything else is conjecture.

Besides, computers are still part of "real life". What, just because your faces are transmitted over distance onto a 2D projection doesn't change your emotions any.

Spiritual. Ha! That's nice, postulating a "spirit" entity to explain something. Why not postulate something from observation instead of making it up?

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Re:What about spiritual love? by cybpunks3 · 2004-02-14 11:12 · Score: 1

When you fall in love in a long distance relationship you are falling in love with your imagined ideal of the other person. It's not based on anything tangible.

That's why when people meet it breaks the spell.

Let me know how well the relationship goes after you've met her in real life.
Re:What about spiritual love? by Goeland86 · 2004-02-14 11:12 · Score: 2, Interesting

well, all I'm trying to point out is that science can't explain everything related to life. Besides, I am not desperate. I wasn't particularly looking online for women. In fact, I was actually trying to not end up in the situation I am in now. Seeing each other, yes. But the study is related to smell and pheromones, which, unless I am a total ignorant, are not yet transmitted over the web! How then can you explain romantic love without those pheromones in this particular study? That is the objection I have to make.

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Goeland86 · 2004-02-14 11:21 · Score: 1

I can tell you how it went for one of my friends, who has already been through this, and for whom it went quite well. His girlfriend moved over from Scottland to live with him in Alsace (eastern France). She's only 17, and he's 19. That's how well you can fall in love distantly, and then have an even better experience in real life. I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining or expecting too much about her, nor her about me. Talking, whether through IMs or telephone can make you know alot more than you'd think about someone else.

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Goeland86 · 2004-02-14 12:02 · Score: 1

What the fuck are you talking about???? I'm saying that love doesn't depend on smell. You probably didn't understand what I was saying, dumbass! Besides, I understand science, I like it, that's my major in college. I'm just saying there are limits to it. So you're the animal barking at me because you misread what I was saying. And no matter how far science goes, it will NEVER be able to explain some things. One example simple example : what exists outside our universe? Since you know about science, I don't need to explain the expansion of our universe since the big bang.

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Scrameustache · 2004-02-14 14:04 · Score: 3, Interesting

how people can fall in love over the net if their theory is so strong... How do you start getting "addicted" to loving someone you haven't met in real life before?

Same way you get a hard-on from watching porn.
Reality is perception, wether you percieve the person from right in front of you or from afar via the net, your brain still secretes the same chemicals.

I have been chatting with webcams and talking on the phone with a girl since October, and I know she is the one, and I haven't seen her anywhere in my life before...

Yeah, never heard THAT before...

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Poligraf · 2004-02-14 16:19 · Score: 1

"Spiritual" side of love is IMHO based on "Games people play".

It basically means that you are recognizing that the other can become your "playmate" since you both play the same game at the compatible roles.

In order to make this overly dry explanation real, think about a sadist finding a masochist or a "girl" finding a "father" (traditional model of the patriarchal society), alchogolic finds a woman that is willing to fight with him over his addiction et al.

You can find this whole model with a lot of examples in Eric Burne's books (notably "Games people play").

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Creepy+Crawler · 2004-02-14 19:02 · Score: 1

>>>"Spiritual" side of love is IMHO based on "Games people play".

>>>It basically means that you are recognizing that the other can become your "playmate" since you both play the same game at the compatible roles.

I hate to make a brash assumption, but you dont have a SO, do you? I'd admit talking to a girl (you sure?) on a webcam is wholly different than meeting her in person and going out to supper, but saying the "Spiritual side of love" is a game....

When you're with your true partner, there's something much stronger than some sexual bond or common likes. There's a bond that can sense anything: pain, love, hate. What's sad is that I cant describe how wonderful it is to have "it". Love. It's sort of trying to describe color to a blind man.
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Re:What about spiritual love? by Poligraf · 2004-02-14 19:49 · Score: 1

Unless you read the book, you won't understand. The connotation for "game" Eric Berne uses is a bit different.

And, believe me, everyone who plays these "games" does not think he plays games; it is all-encompassing occupation made with a full seriousness, just like you describe it ;-).

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Hektor_Troy · 2004-02-15 03:27 · Score: 1

I'll second that motion. With personal experience.

Ouch ... :-/

But hey - at the time, I knew it was true. Like you said yourself - reality is perception :)

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Re:What about spiritual love? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 04:54 · Score: 0

Fag!

Sometimes you have to take what you can get. by MongooseCN · 2004-02-14 09:30 · Score: 1

Sometimes you have to take what you can get.

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Re:I would give half my life by kyknos.org · 2004-02-14 09:30 · Score: 1

hell do not describe czech girls to me i know them :o) i am czech

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What a bunch of friggin nerds! by pair-a-noyd · 2004-02-14 09:30 · Score: 0, Troll

I'm in love and it ain't with a damn computer!
I just had roses delivered to my sweetheart since I couldn't be there with her today but next week I'm going to ask her to marry me.

You pricks want to talk shit about hormones and chemicals and prairie dogs and rats and labs.

Fuck all that shit. I don't need or want it explained or examined. Leave it alone for gods sake! Enjoy it because it's hard to find and hard to keep and oh so rare in this world now.

I don't give a rat's ass about chemicals or lab tests or pyschoANALysis..

People that want to break everything down and examine it under a microscope need to get a fucking life, maybe if they had someone to love they would be trying to fuck everything up for everyone else...

Damn...

Yeah, kiss that karma bye-bye.. But at least *I'm* in love with a beautiful lady.....

Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 09:59 · Score: 0

I just had roses delivered to my sweetheart since I couldn't be there with her today but next week I'm going to ask her to marry me.

She's cheating on you today.
Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by chornobyl · 2004-02-14 10:43 · Score: 0

Marriage: The triumph of ignorance over intelligence.
Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by TheDarkener · 2004-02-14 10:44 · Score: 0, Troll

This is obviously your first time being in love! =) Ahh, the beauty of naivety. Maybe when you are a bit more mature you'll see the full picture of love instead of being completely intoxicated by it's components (as suggested in the article). I'm not bashing you, I'm just saying that it's really funny to hear you say "Screw you all, I don't need to know about the science of it, I love my woman, blah blah".. It just goes to show how powerful and intoxicating love really is. (and how it pushes logic to the side, too)

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Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-14 10:47 · Score: 1

Yes, it seems to be almost like a brain disease. I wish one day I loose all conceptions of lust.

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Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by chornobyl · 2004-02-14 10:50 · Score: 0

Marriage: The triumph of ignorance over intelligence..
Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by pair-a-noyd · 2004-02-14 12:17 · Score: 1, Interesting

Actually, you speak out of ignorance.
I have been married once before and raised two children on my own. I'm now a grandfather.
My son is a minister. And all this despite everything.

I divorced my ex because she turned out to be a slut and a whore and would not accept responsiblity for her own actions.

So you see, I'm far from naive and I do not go into my new marriage blindly. I stayed single for 10 years after I divorced the ex, feeling that I did not want to ever do it again. But love has struck and I care not how or why. I will not look the gift horse in the mouth. I am just happy that things have taken the turn that they have and I don't give a *SHIT* what anyone else thinks.

And to all the "need-a-life" mods that flagged my OP as a troll, get a life.. You're pathetic...
Re:What a bunch of friggin nerds! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:43 · Score: 0

Someone's bitter. Wow.

beware of reductionism by pingel · 2004-02-14 09:42 · Score: 1

My thought exactly. This attitude is an unfortunate legacy of Copernicus. People should examine the biases they exhibit when saying such things. Should we feel less special because we have (at best) a really vague description of some underlying chemical process? Can't we be a little more sophisticated than to constantly redefine a center of the universe that pushes human experience into a role of unimportant random events?

To be clear, it's the word "just" in the post that I find questionable -- not the science itself.

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This Sentence: by Master+of+Transhuman · 2004-02-14 10:20 · Score: 2, Funny

> which can be controlled with injections

The injections for humans are chocolate, booze and pot.

Someone once said, "Love is for animals. Only humans can truly appreciate lust."

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Let me know when you have antiserums for love/lust by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:21 · Score: 0

Let me know when you have an antiserum for love and lust. Both are gross timewasters (almost as bad as sleep). I would very much like those emotions turned off so I would have more time for intellectual pursuits without all the chemical distractions from my limbic system.

RTFA by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:29 · Score: 0

The article stated that romantic love and long-term bonding are handled by completely independant parts of the brain. It is quite possible, according to the article, to be bonded with one person, love someone else, and lust for yet another person.

Depressing man really depressing... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:30 · Score: 0

Hows this one...

Of all the wonders in my life,
Of all the dreams come true,
I closing my eyes to the strife,
All I need now is tissue.

A toast to SharpFang!

nerd love by ratfynk · 2004-02-14 10:30 · Score: 1

tar -xzvf loveMachine.tar

cd ~/LoveMachine

./configure -with vibrojoy

make...

make install...

./LoveMachine vibro -on

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Gattaca by menscher · 2004-02-14 10:36 · Score: 3, Interesting

"We may be able to do things like look at their gene sequence, look at their promoter sequence, to genotype people and correlate that with their fidelity."

So, women may not yet be able to check our genes for risk of contracting alzheimers, but they can now find out if we'll cheat on them? This is looking dangerous....

It's probably worth pointing out that genetic predisposition does NOT indicate what will happen in a particular case.

My my my... isn't it sad how they deny? by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-14 10:37 · Score: 0, Flamebait

All of the sudden, the quacks and weirdos come out to insist that there's more than just chemicals, that science can't explain anything.

Well, guess what, pal. If you can't handle observations and reality, go dig your head in the sand. This is science, and science does not care about your personal dogmas.

It may very well be that we are completely worthless and irrelevent creates, designed simply for survival and reproduction.

However, is that the fault of your subjective interpretations, or reality itself?

Don't cry to me about what reality really is. I don't want to hear your anti-science ignorance and denial.

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Re:My my my... isn't it sad how they deny? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 11:36 · Score: 0

I hope you have an Out of Body Experience.
Re:My my my... isn't it sad how they deny? by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-14 11:49 · Score: 1

Oh, you mean those things that can be reproduced with drugs and brain stress? Nah, rather not...

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Re:My my my... isn't it sad how they deny? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:21 · Score: 0

Example? Drug-induced OBEs are often not considered real ones, and I can't find any examples of stress induced ones.
Re:My my my... isn't it sad how they deny? by LordK3nn3th · 2004-02-15 09:13 · Score: 0, Troll

Try "flight simulator", for starters, Mr. I-believe-in-fantasy.

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This the injection cheaper than downloading porn? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:44 · Score: 0

Just curious.

You have my condolences you pathetic extrovert. by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 10:47 · Score: 0

You sad, deluded, selfish human. Sad because you're dependent upon another finding interest in you to validate your sense of self, deluded becauase you don't see this and selfish because you're so damn egocentric that you think you way works for everyone and attempt to shackle others to your philosophy of socializing.

Your dig about "at least I'm in love ..." was particularly enlightening. To see such braggartry is quite humorous in a pathetic sort of way. "Look at me! I'm standing next to this woman and she acknowlages my existence! This validates my every thought and behavior, boorish and arrogant as they may be."

Re:You have my condolences you pathetic extrovert. by pair-a-noyd · 2004-02-14 12:20 · Score: 0, Troll

Thank you for your ANALysis, herr Fraud..

The Economist? by Doc+Ruby · 2004-02-14 11:23 · Score: 2, Funny

This paper is published in The Economist magazine as basic research behind the Bush administration's $1B program for oxytocin in Halliburton "flu injections" program to "defend the traditional institution of marriage".

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Re:I would give half my life by yourmom16 · 2004-02-14 11:24 · Score: 1

He's a singer, who these daysisknown mainly for accusations that he molests children.

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MDMA anyone? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 11:45 · Score: 0

I'm surprised the author discusses the similarities of cocaine and the chemical basis of love, without bringing up the one recreational chemical which seems to bring about just that sort of pair-bonding between people.

Re:MDMA anyone? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 20:48 · Score: 0

Agreed, sweaty hugs anyone? Uggg... it seems fun at the time though. Coke is more of a "I'm cool, lets do lunch" feeleing

Spiritual Self-Love. by blindpoetx · 2004-02-14 11:48 · Score: 1

This isn't about the transferral of chemicals between two people, it's about biological processes that cause "love" in your body.

With online dating, reading text input can stimulate your body to produce the chemicals in question. Now dreams are entirely different topic.

Re:I would give half my life by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 11:55 · Score: 0

I would give half my life for anything that makes any young girl to love me

Ok then, become a US Senator. Then you can get all kinds of young ladies.

It's a Brave New World by blindpoetx · 2004-02-14 12:09 · Score: 1

I'm not going to mention anything about Big Brother, but these love injections sound a lot like soma... but better.

Consider cults, political movements, miltia, etc. If you can get *real* love and devotion from your followers, and the followers recruit followers..if the cult was set up right it would become an awfully powerful church.

Re:It's a Brave New World by Creepy+Crawler · 2004-02-14 18:48 · Score: 1

Meet the Catholic Church..

Yes, I'm one of them (Catholic ;-)
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New finding: Mathematics is just electrical curren by noidentity · 2004-02-14 12:22 · Score: 2, Funny

A new finding has been made in the field of mathematics: it's just electrical currents. Scientists studied computers engaging in mathematics and found that if they disabled the electric currents inside, it ceased the behavior. When they re-enabled the electric currents, the behavior resumed. They have done other studies on other species of computers, including small nomadic units and large plant-like machines which couldn't even move, and found the same results. They have concluded that "mathematics is nothing more than electrical currents". They dismissed those who specialize in the field of mathematics as weasel-wording when they described that mathematics is at a different abstraction level than electrical currents. The mathematicians pointed to a similarly-flawed study about human love, but the scientists had already stopped listening.

The Difference Between Love and Lust..... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 12:30 · Score: 0

I thought the only difference between Love and Lust was swallowing and spiting.........

In related news by KrackHouse · 2004-02-14 12:37 · Score: 5, Funny

Breast milk kegger at my place, bring leather pants and an open mind. Later, Vitamin D

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Danger: propensity is not choice by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 12:59 · Score: 5, Insightful

I can think of no misinterpretation of the biological sciences more dangerous than the notion that propensity is choice.

Human beings - especially though perhaps not uniquely - through self-reflection have the capacity to choose actions contrary to our biological propensities and inclinations.

You are not a slave to your genetic and biological predispositions and inclinations.

To be a self is to constitute in one's mind and through one's actions what it is to be an individual person.

It is the drive to dignify, love, and exude - to be - this inner self, this individual person, by which propensity and inclination are overcome.

Re:New finding: Mathematics is just electrical cur by johnstein · 2004-02-14 13:41 · Score: 1

hahaha. Nothing like a good farce to put a rather wordy article in perspective :)

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MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:07 · Score: 0

It isn't even religious. Morality is no more religious than is love religious. OP is just a case of typical Slashdot idealogue trying to clear himself of moral responsibility to society.

Fatalism is religion too. You are responsible for your choices. The act of marital infidelity is a choice.

It's laughable, but you don't just say, "Oh, what has happened here! My penis has ended up in the vagina of this fine young woman while my wife is at work! What am I to do!"

I gotta challenge this one by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:13 · Score: 4, Insightful

I didn't used to believe in love, I always equated it as basically what this story is trying to get people to believe - "love" was just biology fucking with us to get us to breed. There was nothing else behind it. Then, I met the love of my life and that little world-view got tossed on its ear. There /is/ something "else" behind real love, and I cannot dare to hope to explain it to those who had never experienced it. It wasn't just lust! It was well beyond sexual, even from the start. I was more then merely smitten with her personality, I became addicted to her very being. I wished to know everything about her, and began to care more about her then myself. Its easy to think we love only to be loved, that as with biology everything is essentially selfish - but I'd sacrifce it all for her on the drop of the hat. Love must be real because I can see two distinct periods in my life, before her and after, and who I am now bears little to nothing in common with who I was before. Shes challenged me to my very core, my long held assumptions questioned- everyting is different. She is my one, and not because being apart may drive me nuts. I felt, this will sound corny, "complete" with her. It all came full circle. I'm sure there is plenty of biology involved in all of this, we are biological creatures, but science can never explain the human soul. Its much more then just our minds, or our ego.

Re:I gotta challenge this one by StarsAreAlsoFire · 2004-02-14 18:38 · Score: 4, Funny

Yup. Sounds like crack to me. ;~)
Re:I gotta challenge this one by 0111+1110 · 2004-02-14 23:39 · Score: 1

Nice Incredible Connection pattern. Mind if I use that? Actually I seriously am going to write that down. If you can come up with any other descriptive language I'd appreciate that too. Not bad at all. I'll just combine it with my microminiature oxytocin atomizer. Love at First Sight (tm).

BTW, what you don't yet realize (you won't have the perspective until your current relationship is over) is that your feelings for her are mostly something you have done to yourself. Love is like a form of self-hypnosis. You must jump through some fairly well predefined steps in order to get where you are. This doesn't discount that she may be a better target than some other girls though.

If you actually take the time to understand more about the science of love, you may have a better chance of keeping her in that state and even increasing her feelings over time.

It is nice to convince yourself that you have found the one and to idolize everything about her, but in the back of your mind you should not forget that such beliefs themselves will increase your oxytocin levels and allow you to get an even better "high".

It can be a very tempting circular reinforcement pattern. The more you believe she is special and idolize her, the stronger those euphoric, addictive feelings of love, the stronger those feelings of love, the more tempting it is to reinforce the beliefs, etc. Nothing wrong with that. It's the best feeling in the world. But a reality check from time to time on the euphoria can be a nice safety net when things go wrong.

Just be aware of how tempting it can be to ignore reality in order to increase the intensity of your experience. I find that females are less prone to this trap for some reason, probably having to do with their greater selection of potential mates. They always know in the back of their mind that there is someone even "better" (by whatever standards she uses) out there who she might meet at any time.

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Re:I gotta challenge this one by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 23:47 · Score: 0

You are a chemical creature. Humans are just big messes of chemicals and electrical currents.

Personally, I'm more awed by the amazing range of emotion that can be created by wetware than by all this "spiritual" bullshit.
Re:I gotta challenge this one by Scroatzilla · 2004-02-18 05:23 · Score: 1

Dude, that's a perfect valentine's day card: First the big long "I didn't used to believe in love" on the cover, in gold-leaf cursive. Then the inside "Yup. Sounds like crack to me," in some crappy cartoon font.

Re: Hog riding by Tokerat · 2004-02-14 14:34 · Score: 1

Sometimes you have to take what you can get.

I'd rather take one for the team...

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Kierkegaard! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 14:35 · Score: 0

nt

I thought this was about love... by Slur · 2004-02-14 15:44 · Score: 1

...but it's about attachment! They really should make this distinction clear so love doesn't keep getting such a bad rap.

Remember when O.J. said "If I did kill her it's only cuz I loved her, right?" No, O.J.! It's because you were deeply attached to your idea of her.... and you froze your brain with cocaine years ago.

*sigh* If it was "love" you would have let her live.

See, "love" runs in the opposite direction, resisting the impulses that chemical attachment might cause. Well, that's my take on it anyhow.

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Re:I thought this was about love... by 0111+1110 · 2004-02-14 23:58 · Score: 1

*sigh* If it was "love" you would have let her live.

This makes me wonder if you have ever been in love. While you are in the relationship love can rarely have negative consequences for the one who is loved. In the relationship we do a good job of convincing ourselves that we want them to be happy etc.

But love is the most powerfully motivating emotion that our species can experience. Those same intense feelings can lead to murder (and often do) when one is "betrayed" and/or abandoned by the loved one.

Like the experience of love itself, one cannot relate to it until they have been through the appropriate circumstances. No, I have not actually killed anyone, but my desire to do so was almost as strong as my previous desire to nurture her. That's why I sometimes tell people that, while loving someone is a totally safe experience (except for the risk of suicide), being truly loved intensely enough is one of the most dangerous experiences we can have.

Most of us never know the risks we take in these situations. Losing a love is one of the most painful experiences possible to us and the former lover is the one wielding the red hot poker and electric prods etc. Think about how people who have actually been tortured feel about their former torturers (who were usually just following orders--it wasn't even personal) and how much they would love to get payback. Watch Roman Polanski's, Sigourney Weaver's and Ben Kingsley's Death and the Maiden for a well made fictional account of this kind of experience.

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Re:I thought this was about love... by Slur · 2004-02-27 19:50 · Score: 1

You're describing attachment.

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These scientists are friggin' idiots! by Poligraf · 2004-02-14 16:11 · Score: 2, Interesting

They certainly aren't idiots themselves, but they are digging in a wrong direction.

Try not to perceive it as a flamebait, but the whole point of many branches of Western applied science is to allow idiots to stay idiots and not change themselves.

For example, eat Viagra each time before sex instead of learning Daoist or Tantric techniques and getting a rock-solid erection. Or eat Prozac instead of using psychology in order to get out of depression by eliminating its root causes.

Another example - medicines that allow someone who have never exercised and ate crap at McDonalds to live till their retirement age.

Thus, the entire civilization becomes one of degenerates (or, even better word, CONSUMERS. I consider this word an insult) on prescription drugs because there is only a certain small percentage of people who will do something that is not required for survival. Then longer I look at this world, then more I get disappointed in the effectiveness of a certain socialized institutions. This makes me wish the world be more succeptible towards libertarian ideas that are based on self-responsibility for your being.

And now the right direction ;-).

Everything said above brings us to one word that describes the place that is the key: Psyche.

Psyche is the part of us that manages the levels of hormones, chemicals et al, and in most cases it is the level where the problems should be attacked.

Here is the explanation why geeks don't get women. This is a "physical"/"lustful" side of love.

(when reading it, think of Kramer versus George Costanza as the example of high/low rank, and of Klingons versus Vulcans as the example of high/low primativeness)

There is another one - "spiritual"/"psychological" that can be understood upon reading "Games people play" by Eric Bern.

As one can understand, all of this "chemical crap" that we eat in a form of medicine and supplements is just a way of bypassing the psyche and emulating its work. Smarter readers will understand that modern Western medicine often heroically fights with the shit that our own subconscious brought us into (think of a very typical situation with people who nobody needs, and who get sick in order to get attention of their relatives, professionals from medical institutions or good samaritans. Also read this ). And the general population pays through the socialized healthcare. And everyone is happy since everything is a good business for certain groups whithin the society. At the same time majority is swayed by the false ideals of humanism et al.

Sorry for being that vicious and arrogant, but I'm really tired of idiots with bright eyes cheering yet another expensive achievement of the pharmacology that allows somebody to do even less real work for themselves gobbling pills instead.

And, finally, here is the way to change your bad luck and become what you can become: link

One does not need to become religious, but the "correctional" part of mysticism might help one to get both the body and mind healthy and live much more fulfilled life that will sure have some love in it ;-).

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Re:These scientists are friggin' idiots! by rock_climbing_guy · 2004-02-14 20:50 · Score: 1

I realize that this is a bit offtopic, but I'm going to ask this here. The parent post referred to trantric techniques. Anyways, if the poster is a tantra practitioner, I would be interested in a reference to a good source on the practice and benefits of tantra.

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Re:These scientists are friggin' idiots! by simran · 2004-02-17 07:14 · Score: 1

Daoist techniques, tantra techniques, and cetera can also be thought of as technologies that you are using to manipulate what you term as "psyche." Just because you are using physical & mental techniques to generate the chemicals yourself doesn't make them any less an intervention.

so here I am.... by filtur · 2004-02-14 17:13 · Score: 1

So here I am posting to Slashdot on Valentines day....
Where can I get these injections?(I still have 3 hours left)

Re:I would give half my life by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 17:30 · Score: 0

because it's an open invitation for people to insult and mock the poster. Just look at the replies, almost every one is a flame.

As proof:
You pedophile bastard, why don't you go make CowboyNeal love you instead, he has bigger boobs than any young girl! Go home stupid Yankee and stop taking my god damn oil and selling crack!

As you can see, your posts have caused flames directed towards yourself, CowboyNeal, CowboyNeal's boobs, poorly endowed young girls, and America. This is all in spite of the fact that you come from Europe, I don't have any oil, and nobody said anything about crack, and CowboyNeal isn't really such a bad guy at all. Therefore, the post was obviously flamebait!

Economics of Love by darkmeridian · 2004-02-14 18:07 · Score: 1

Modern economics is based to a surprising degree on human psychology and our innate behavior. (Apologies to any voles reading this post.) There is enough food to feed everyone; yet not everyone is fed. We can clothes the world; yet some still freeze. This is not a political post. The point is that there is just something innately greedy about humanity in general that makes economics in large part a study of psychology. There is a tendency for us to value the rare to bizarre lengths.

Why are diamonds so sought after? Because they are rare. Why do I have crushes on tall girls with red hair and green eyes? Because they are rare. (And hot.) So, yeah, love and economics share common principles.

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Chemistry of Casual Sex by darkmeridian · 2004-02-14 18:13 · Score: 1

The chemistry is pretty simple. You start with some alcohol...

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Powder form by StarsAreAlsoFire · 2004-02-14 18:41 · Score: 1

So when will I be able to spike a drink with this stuff?

Re:Powder form by 0111+1110 · 2004-02-15 00:04 · Score: 1

My thoughts exactly. I am already thinking of emailing Mexican pharmacies etc. about this stuff. Actually Vasopressin is already easily available through that British online pharmacy (although it's not cheap).

While I don't think that just spiking a drink with this stuff will get a girl to love you. Seems like it can't hurt, especially when combined with other strategies.

How long before Oxytocin/Pitocin attains the same reputation as those "date rape drugs". Time to stock up before it becomes a "scheduled" substance.

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Re:Powder form by StarsAreAlsoFire · 2004-02-15 07:31 · Score: 1

That you know that about vasopressin scares me somewhat. FWIW, I was _joking_

ObSimpson Quote by ColaMan · 2004-02-14 19:47 · Score: 1

Prof. Frink: "Brace yourselves gentlemen.... according to the gas chromatograph, the secret ingredient is... love!? Ok, who's been screwing with the machine!"

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MOD Parent UP +5 FUNNY by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-14 20:53 · Score: 0

I just posted to this discussion, so I can't morderate; sorry.

Donald Duck by DonaldDuckBigO · 2004-02-14 20:55 · Score: 0

Donald Duck is going to have a SCREAMING ORGASM with Daisy Duck when he finds out that his love for her is like Cocaine!!!!!!!

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Well... by Trejkaz · 2004-02-14 21:05 · Score: 1

Well I am not a doctor, but I can assure you that if I were, I would encourage everyone to come and get a love injection!

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This is news to me by Big+Nothing · 2004-02-14 22:37 · Score: 1

There's a difference between love and lust? Hmm... whaddayaknow.

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Love is in the air by 0111+1110 · 2004-02-15 00:11 · Score: 1

Having to spike a drink or inject someone is not the most practical strategy. What we need is an easily atomized form of Pitocin. Is there any plant that possesses a natural form of this chemical? If so, drying the leaves, and rolling them up with tobbaco might serve as a means of dispersal. Getting it into a smoke form would be ideal.

Another delivery system could be transdermal if the oxycotin molecule is small enough to make it through the dermal layers. You could combine some of it with chapstick for more powerful kisses. If you could get it to evaporate with a solvent while retaining its efficacy, cologne could also be an option. I wonder if oxycotin has it's own distinctive smell though. That could be a give-away.

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Re:Love is in the air by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 00:14 · Score: 0

oops, I meant "oxytocin". Combining it with oxycontin might not be a bad thing though :). Talk about addictive...

an oxytocin link by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-15 00:22 · Score: 0

some oxytocin info

stars on thars? by Lonesmurf · 2004-02-15 03:31 · Score: 1

DR. suess would be proud.

or scared. I'm not sure which.

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No Tantra here, use Dao! ;-) (more in the post) by Poligraf · 2004-02-15 10:19 · Score: 1

Somehow I feel that Daoist techniques are cleaner and closer to my perception of the world.

Here you'll find the literature

As for the sex itself, you might find a used book "Sexual secrets. The Alchemy of Extasy" by Nik Douglas and Penny Slinger.

Benefits - in short - more energy. Every time you ejaculate, you lose some significant amount of energy. Ability to split orgasm and ejaculation allows you to save this energy, have a rock-solid erection for pretty much unlimited amount of time and even have multiple orgasms (me personally haven't achieved the multiples yet). This will become the foundation for the next step - orgasm of the entire body and exchanging the energy with the female. Chinese Daoists were even using such a sex as a medicine.

Hope it helps.

P.S. If you go Mantak Chia's route, you'll need to open the Microcosmic Orbit, it will help a lot (I'd start doing it simultaneously with practicing the preparation sexual exercises). The description is in the book called "Awakening healing energy through the Tao".

P.P.S. I can't help it, but if one can master these techniques, they will consider whatever they had beore to be not better than a goatse.cx ;-)))))

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Re:ObSimpson Quote by p-adically+yours · 2004-02-15 14:04 · Score: 1

You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike. There is a lot of hype here.

what was the name of those bloody things that ate you if you stayed in the dark too long? (assuming this is a Zork reference...)

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Read your Bloch by querencia · 2004-02-15 16:42 · Score: 1

Self-Reflection is clumsy and verbose. And your performance suffers.

Item 35: Prefer Interfaces to Reflection.

Re:Maybe too far.. The Sun goes around the Earth by Valluvan · 2004-02-15 17:34 · Score: 1

Yes. The Sun is going around the Earth in your Universe. If you are uncomfortable understanding, you are more harmful to your world than you think.

And, understanding may increase the love you feel for your fiancee. Knowledge never goes too far. Fools without it do.

The loss of beauty due to science is the theme you are harping to (and, apparently many others are feeling the same way since you have been modded up). I recommend "Unweaving the Rainbow" by Dawkins. And, some of Feynman's quotes about beauty in science.

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Difference between lust and love.... by ShaggyBOFH · 2004-02-16 03:06 · Score: 1

spit and swallow.

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Re:Let me know when you have antiserums for love/l by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-16 14:54 · Score: 0

I agree with you,

but only when I'm not with a woman.

Love chemicals by weeboo0104 · 2004-02-17 06:39 · Score: 1

Presumably the difference between love and lust is little more than a bunch of chemicals,

Yeah, Booze and Extasy.

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Re:I'm calling the FBI - Stop posting pedo pics NO by Anonymous Coward · 2004-02-17 10:21 · Score: 0

Regardless of how old the person in the picture is, the FBI would not be interested. This picture is no more a "pedo pic" than pictures in clothing catalogs showing boys and girls modeling underwear. So, wake up, smell the coffee, and get over yourself.

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