You have a good point, but I don't think it's entirely true. There are probably many proprietary developers out there who would at least email a contributer if they saw something they thought was taken from the code they work with.
Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'd think that at least *some* of the closed source devels have some morals...
and if "they" (read, "terrorists") *have* been trained they'd know how to override the system anyway (and anyone who thinks that pilots won't insist on a manual override being installed is being just plain stupid, pardon me)
So long as the pilot can overide the computer overiding him.
Especially when you consider the (possibly) very small amount of time a pilot may have to correct a bad flight path chosen by the computer. Time is already critical, is adding to it by forcing the pilot to do additional steps (IE, overriding the computer) really wise?
Not to mention the retraining that would be necessary...pilots are already under enough stress, and the proposal under question would add more to it by requiring them to have to decide whether to second guess the computer...which was programmed by people who are not in the cockpit at the time... let's just add to that stress level, yeah.
I think this sort of system may have a place in aviation someday, but that day is a long ways off yet.
Disclaimer: I'm not a pilot, but I'd quit driving before I'd allow such a system in my car:) I'm dating myself, but my driving reactions were developed well before ABS became common, and I still can't drive one - the car doesn't behave the way I expect it to when I brake on ice or in other similar conditions. My *reactions* are programmed that way. So what is essentially proposed is that we add a similar element for pilots who are already trained for systems that don't incorporate it....it may be a bad analogy, but I think it's at least somewhat valid.
I have had a similar experience. Driving thru Minneapolis once in my 1980 Pontiac Sunbird when the ignition module quit in heavy traffic. Result was a dead engine. I thought I was a dead mofo....trying frantically to claw my way across three lanes of traffic towards the right hand shoulder with cars and big rigs climbing up my tailpipe.
they use exactly the same justification to defend their immoral and unethical behavior, and that justification holds absolutely no water.
Absolutely. It's called blaming someone else for one's own actions.
I find it odd that so many Slashdot readers find that hard to understand...but given the stupidity that most voters in the US consistently show, I suppose it's not surprising.
Trying to view the image link results in a popup window (in addition to the advertising one) containing this:
Unsupported Configuration
We're sorry, but you're using either an unsupported browser or operating system. Please review our system requirements.
You may still download the player, but must install and use it with a supported system configuration.
Instructions
1) Download the Viewpoint Media Player Installer for Macintosh or Windows.
2) When the download is complete quit all running applications and launch the installer.
3) After installation is complete launch your browser and return to the page that contains Viewpoint content.
Oh, really? Install your proprietary image viewer to look at *pictures* on your website? "Quit all running applications"? Sounds suspiciously like spyware to me...hmm. Google...first link....Yup.
Yeah, I know, it says "A CUID is never connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information. "
I don't care. There is no reason in the Seven Hells that I should have to install a third party viewer to look at pictures from anyone's website. It's not paranoia; why should I have to interrupt my browsing experience, even once, to install more unnecessary clutter on a system?
Space.com didn't used to be this bad. One more website I won't bother to go to anymore.
Sigh./end rant
(I couldn't see the image at all in Mozilla, where I had popup off; so I tried in Konq and saw the popup; this note just to head off the people trying to tell me about the anti-popup feature in Moz)
I just thought of something that these *might* be useful for, however; fire spotting in remote areas. If one could outfit them with solar cells to keep them aloft and a very simple temperature detector they could cover hundreds of square miles; one could automate them, having one local computer controlling several and reporting to a crew on detection.
I live where forest fires are quite common, and I can guarantee you that nothing this fragile would *ever* survive in the turbulent atmosphere generated around any decent sized fire.
For that matter, at only 3 ounces, a craft like this would be unlikely to survive or be controllable in any place where there is a prevailing wind over ten mph or where there are decent updrafts (cities).
I'd also love to know how they managed to get a CCD camera with decent lens (decent resolution) packed into less than 3 ounces (not sure how much less, but it's got to be a significant fraction of the total weight). I want one of those:)
I'm not exactly a linux guru (tho pretty experienced), but I'd like to know if it is possible to run a kernel in a virtual machine; and if so, what is the best way to go about it....and what pitfalls could one expect.....?
They couldn't have used it this time; I posted before the Offtopic mods were done and I was not modded offtopic along with the others; my insightful mod came later.
Anyway, I still think it was important. Slashdot was experiencing problems at the time and the only reason I knew it wasn't my connection at the moment was because others were too.
Sheeeezus, it was hard to get a reply screen up for to this post. It didn't timeout...it'd just sit there, and nothing would happen for a while, then I'd get returned to the same screen I clicked from.
I get somewhat the same thing on a few tracerts but I'm more convinced from some of the stuff I've seen that it's slashdots servers ----
*Internal errors *non-functional page links (particularly preview and submit:) *The above in the first paragraph (which is very common right now)
Now let's see how long it takes to actually get this posted:)
Slashdot is dying. The news hit the bealeagured/. community hard today as... aw, wtf, nevermind:)
Update, mayhaps a scripting error, not sure. Did someone do some updates there today? It certainly wasn't happening this morning, and doesn't look like a bandwidth problem. Ok, off to try posting this again...
and again
again
again, this time with a "connection refused" error.
*sighs* going elsewhere for the afternoon, I think
I agree, and it looks like someone (or a couple someones) used up all their mod points nailing this thread offtopic.
Now I consider it ok to mod the first post or maybe a couple subsequent posts offtopic, but threads like this also serve to let people know that they aren't the only ones experiencing problems. This can prevent a lot of head-banging or wondering whether their ISP is choking. So please don't blanket mod everything in a thread like this offtopic. It's rude and counterproductive.
It's still going on, sometimes the page comes up, and sometimes it times out. Not sure if it's slashdot or the upstream, doesn't seem to occur long enough to to traceroute it.
Ah well, it's the net:)
Update: Nope, it's slashdot. Tried to post this and got:
500 Internal Server Error
An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.
Slashdot Mirror
I don't know anything about the real story, but I'd guess that it was some engineer with a sense of humor and really imaginative design skills.
SB
You have a good point, but I don't think it's entirely true. There are probably many proprietary developers out there who would at least email a contributer if they saw something they thought was taken from the code they work with.
Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'd think that at least *some* of the closed source devels have some morals...
SB
and some people wonder why our economy is so screwed up...
I've said for years that ignorance is what's going to kill this country...
Sigh.
Cheers
SB
and if "they" (read, "terrorists") *have* been trained they'd know how to override the system anyway (and anyone who thinks that pilots won't insist on a manual override being installed is being just plain stupid, pardon me)
SB
So long as the pilot can overide the computer overiding him.
:) I'm dating myself, but my driving reactions were developed well before ABS became common, and I still can't drive one - the car doesn't behave the way I expect it to when I brake on ice or in other similar conditions. My *reactions* are programmed that way. So what is essentially proposed is that we add a similar element for pilots who are already trained for systems that don't incorporate it....it may be a bad analogy, but I think it's at least somewhat valid.
Especially when you consider the (possibly) very small amount of time a pilot may have to correct a bad flight path chosen by the computer. Time is already critical, is adding to it by forcing the pilot to do additional steps (IE, overriding the computer) really wise?
Not to mention the retraining that would be necessary...pilots are already under enough stress, and the proposal under question would add more to it by requiring them to have to decide whether to second guess the computer...which was programmed by people who are not in the cockpit at the time... let's just add to that stress level, yeah.
I think this sort of system may have a place in aviation someday, but that day is a long ways off yet.
Disclaimer: I'm not a pilot, but I'd quit driving before I'd allow such a system in my car
SB
I have had a similar experience. Driving thru Minneapolis once in my 1980 Pontiac Sunbird when the ignition module quit in heavy traffic. Result was a dead engine. I thought I was a dead mofo....trying frantically to claw my way across three lanes of traffic towards the right hand shoulder with cars and big rigs climbing up my tailpipe.
I still get the shakes thinking about it.
SB
But seriously what the hell am I going to use Whiskey flavored condoms for?!
--
Bill Gates took my pants, and I thank him for it.
Um....
they use exactly the same justification to defend their immoral and unethical behavior, and that justification holds absolutely no water.
Absolutely. It's called blaming someone else for one's own actions.
I find it odd that so many Slashdot readers find that hard to understand...but given the stupidity that most voters in the US consistently show, I suppose it's not surprising.
SB
So ... are you saying that you would look "up" at criminals? Or consider them equals?
Or are you saying that it's unethical to make statements about one's own moral beliefs and actions?
Son, bragging is not a moral issue. It is a social and cultural one.
SB
Welcome to hell, aka RL, NanoGator :)
:)
I drove cab in a city of 180k ppl once for a year and a half. Man, could I tell stories....but you have to buy the bheer
Cheers, friend.
SB
Mozilla/Konquerer on Linux:
/end rant
Trying to view the image link results in a popup window (in addition to the advertising one) containing this:
Unsupported Configuration
We're sorry, but you're using either an unsupported browser or operating system. Please review our system requirements.
You may still download the player, but must install and use it with a supported system configuration.
Instructions
1) Download the Viewpoint Media Player Installer for Macintosh or Windows.
2) When the download is complete quit all running applications and launch the installer.
3) After installation is complete launch your browser and return to the page that contains Viewpoint content.
Oh, really? Install your proprietary image viewer to look at *pictures* on your website? "Quit all running applications"? Sounds suspiciously like spyware to me...hmm. Google...first link....Yup.
permlink
Yeah, I know, it says "A CUID is never connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information. "
I don't care. There is no reason in the Seven Hells that I should have to install a third party viewer to look at pictures from anyone's website. It's not paranoia; why should I have to interrupt my browsing experience, even once, to install more unnecessary clutter on a system?
Space.com didn't used to be this bad. One more website I won't bother to go to anymore.
Sigh.
(I couldn't see the image at all in Mozilla, where I had popup off; so I tried in Konq and saw the popup; this note just to head off the people trying to tell me about the anti-popup feature in Moz)
SB
Thanks, excellent points, all.
I just thought of something that these *might* be useful for, however; fire spotting in remote areas. If one could outfit them with solar cells to keep them aloft and a very simple temperature detector they could cover hundreds of square miles; one could automate them, having one local computer controlling several and reporting to a crew on detection.
It's a thought....
SB
I live where forest fires are quite common, and I can guarantee you that nothing this fragile would *ever* survive in the turbulent atmosphere generated around any decent sized fire.
:)
For that matter, at only 3 ounces, a craft like this would be unlikely to survive or be controllable in any place where there is a prevailing wind over ten mph or where there are decent updrafts (cities).
I'd also love to know how they managed to get a CCD camera with decent lens (decent resolution) packed into less than 3 ounces (not sure how much less, but it's got to be a significant fraction of the total weight). I want one of those
SB
Thank you, that is *exactly* what I was looking for
SB
I'm not exactly a linux guru (tho pretty experienced), but I'd like to know if it is possible to run a kernel in a virtual machine; and if so, what is the best way to go about it....and what pitfalls could one expect.....?
SB
They couldn't have used it this time; I posted before the Offtopic mods were done and I was not modded offtopic along with the others; my insightful mod came later.
Anyway, I still think it was important. Slashdot was experiencing problems at the time and the only reason I knew it wasn't my connection at the moment was because others were too.
SB
Real Justice?
In this country?
WhoTF are you kidding?
SB
What's your point? What do the moderators have to do with an old irc post from CT, or some obscure (not going to dig thru it) google search link?
This is not worth my time...
SB
Sheeeezus, it was hard to get a reply screen up for to this post. It didn't timeout...it'd just sit there, and nothing would happen for a while, then I'd get returned to the same screen I clicked from.
I get somewhat the same thing on a few tracerts but I'm more convinced from some of the stuff I've seen that it's slashdots servers ----
*Internal errors
*non-functional page links (particularly preview and submit
*The above in the first paragraph (which is very common right now)
Now let's see how long it takes to actually get this posted
Slashdot is dying. The news hit the bealeagured
Update, mayhaps a scripting error, not sure. Did someone do some updates there today? It certainly wasn't happening this morning, and doesn't look like a bandwidth problem. Ok, off to try posting this again...
and again
again
again, this time with a "connection refused" error.
*sighs* going elsewhere for the afternoon, I think
SB
I agree, and it looks like someone (or a couple someones) used up all their mod points nailing this thread offtopic.
Now I consider it ok to mod the first post or maybe a couple subsequent posts offtopic, but threads like this also serve to let people know that they aren't the only ones experiencing problems. This can prevent a lot of head-banging or wondering whether their ISP is choking. So please don't blanket mod everything in a thread like this offtopic. It's rude and counterproductive.
Fer chrissakes, mods, use some sense.
SB
There was also this article....
:)
Wow. Slashdot is really choking on something. Hope it isn't mineral oil
SB
Is this this one you were thinking of? Cool experiment. :)
SB
It's still going on, sometimes the page comes up, and sometimes it times out. Not sure if it's slashdot or the upstream, doesn't seem to occur long enough to to traceroute it.
:)
Ah well, it's the net
Update: Nope, it's slashdot. Tried to post this and got:
500 Internal Server Error
An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.
SB
Under Construction
:)
that works
SB
Hacking in the library database, are we? Heh :)
:)
"You are alone in the world."
Not anymore, thanks for the laugh on this rotten Monday...
SB