Of course I virus check my machines, every day with up to date software, that has nothing to do with it. The problem is when you have a large volume of data on a machine, 80+ gigs. The indexing engine hogs a tremendous amount of the CPU clock cycles to try to index it. I have had that problem on 4 different machines. I have a large/huge amount of indexed images and files for business. Google indexing engine is weak to poor in that case.
There is a second point to which I don't see addressed either. The Corporate policies in place at Apple actually fly in the face of IBM's corporate policies. Apple encourages freedom of thought open spaces and believes in making the workplace fit the worker. IBM is about Thinking inline with Engineering and linear thought, utilizing space to it's maximum and making the employees walk in step to the corporate tune. Neither of which I am saying is bad or good. Just that the two styles are so opposed that it would be like anti mateer and matter colliding. The two could never exist together. One would certainly destroy the other's ability to produce new work in their established manner.
They sure seem to be coming up with some pretty convoluted and simply dumb things over at google lately. I guess that's what happens when you get too many overly educated morons in one place. Their desktop search engine is a machine wrecker as it hogs so many CPU cycles and can't be throttled in any way. They wrecked the google groups now, which was my favorite feature for getting coding answers. what next, adopt a yahoo interface for their search engine (one that returns results you don't want at all)?
I agree. I was going to post this myself. I am increasing becoming ashamed of the editorial prowness of the Slashdot staff. I certainly would not admitt to many of my friends that I stoop to such a low level in my news hunt as slashdot anymore. It is truely embarrassing.
William Gibson hits on this same thing in his book called Pattern Recognition. It surprised me a little how far he took the idea. It was even plausible. Must read if you are interested in this sort of stuff. He is heavy on how our perceptions of things effect our every day lives.
lol, how did you go from commodores and radio shack trs machines to a Windows versus Linux versus Mac arguement? I fail to see the linearity here in your arguement. Smoke some more dope dude.
What is a suicidal troll? Must be someone who response to utterly stupid comments like you made?;)
The other GLARING thing you bring up is the Amiga. Nice unit for it's time. It's dead now my friend, except for a handful of religious zealots out there like to practice silcon based necromancy. And if I have my history right, it didn't come about (~1985) until after the PC (~1981) and the Apple (~1976) were both pretty well established anyways. Get your facts straight dude.
Yea it will be something stupid, like all of the gun legislation that works so well. You will have to take a test, get a license to connect your PC to the net. That will stop all of the honest people from getting on who either can't afford the license fee or can't figure out what to do. The criminals will continue to get on by buying their guns on the street,.. I mean hacking into the net illegally. legislation only puts restrictions on the people who intended to follow the law to begin with. Those who intend to commit illegal acts are not going to follow the rules, whether there are rules in place or not. Give me a break, we don't need to gov. legislating stupid hurdles to throw in our way and give them power to charge us honest people with stupid laws when they get pissed at us, like they do with everything else.
... The US Senate to announced passage of legislation that will attach a two year prision sentence to anyone caught clicking fraudulently on a Google advertising. Google, amongst other advertising mediums have stated that this type of crime cost them billions of dollars per year....
...12 year old boy from Deluth Minn. was sentence to 16 consectutive 2 year prison sentences under the new HR30972 legislation today. To be freed at the age of 44 years of age.
Perhaps the Slashdot editors and/or the Article writer does not know the meaning of the term 'broadcast tv'. Or maybe they just don't know what a dictionary is? I am astounded by the stupidity of this one.
Yea I have to agree. Sometimes techies, (I am a geek too so this hurts but..), are so infactuated with the technology that they can't see how foolish something is. Broadcast TV has been wireless forever, why would I want to layer something more on top of it that I have to pay extra for? I will go buy a TV antenna first. Of course maybe these guys aren't old enough to know what a TV antenna is. Possibly all they know about is cable. I don't understand how anyone would pay for such a thing as this.
I find your viewpoint refreshing. I have worked too many places where people place a high importance on the degree. I have a degree in a Electronics Engineering and Industrial Engineering and worked in those fields for 10 years, (very successfully too). I liked it, but I found that I loved coding even more. I have coded now for ten years since then and have been quite successful. I have feared that because I don't have a degree, a job change would be next to impossible. Although I have changed jobs twice in the coding field, I think I am short changed at times because I don't have a degree. It is more likely that I am short changing myself though. I know that I can run circles around most schooled coders, whereas they think they know, and I know I know, (does that make sense?).
The thing I have found important to understand is that most collegate degrees in CS do not reflect a knowledge in systems that are out there today. The degree does reflect an ability to learn the necessary knowledge to understand whats going on today, but anything you learned in school is already at least 4 years old and is probably been 'upgraded' or replaced since then. Things simply change too fast for any college or textbook to keep up. Surviving in the industry speaks volumes more than that degree ever will, IMHO.
You are definately wrong on that account. And yes it is worth $20 per click if even 1 click in 10 results in a $5000 sale. It's a matter of economy. If it's not worth it to you, then don't do it. As another reply suggests too, the price is based on popularity of the keyword and there are certainly keywords that cost a great deal more than others. I pay the bills and I am not buffaloing you on this one.
If you failed to generate a revenue stream from the slashdot exposure then that is your problem.
That statement makes little sense without some text to explain why you think that and facts to back it up. Otherwise it is simply an opinion. I don't see any facts out there that support a conjecture that Slashdotted sites see any rise in revenue. In fact I can provide facts that support the direct opposite of that. I could show you how Slashdotted sites more often see a drop in revenue, mainly due to the inability of normal/daily/potential customers not being able to establish a connection to the site to begin with. Secondly there are a group of sites that see DOS attacks, hacks and defacement due to attacks that correlate directly to Slashdot events. That IS fact. Where are yours?
I agree. I think the keywords you are searching for tend to bring up those companies who facilitate spamming rather than those who try to stop it.
I got scared right off the bat is all. The Google ads cost us a small fortune as it is and stress our budget. Even though they are the best money spent that we have found, you never really can say that they pay for themselves. If you try to look at it as in sales per number of hits, we lose money big time. There is more to that though than just hits per sale. There is word of mouth that it generates, name recognition and sales at a later date that would not otherwise have occured, and so on. Really difficult to measure, but expensive no matter how you look at it.
The other part that will make this tack MAYBE not worth it, is that once your preset limit is used up, the advertising stops on google, so you cannot force any company to spend more than it wanted to to begin with. If too many hits occured on all of the ads, the side bar would simply become empty.
I don't agree. I don't think that most sites like to spend a ton of money and not get any return on their dollar. This site got slashdotted once. One of mine, and it resulted in $2500 in one day overage charges and resulted in zero dollars in sales for the company. I don't see how getting overage charges from too much traffic can benefit anyone unless they are all buying something, such as Amazon or Ebay.
lol, In fact we sell a SPAM hardware firewall and we are a google advertiser. That means that you would be hurting people who are in business to fight spam itself. It's from Barracuda Networks and it is our best selling piece of hardware. (See it on our products page here). We do advertise on Google under the SPAM search results. We are in a large mix of other advertisers, some of whom I am not so sure they are legite. As an advertiser, you don't always get listed on the right hand side. They only do it every so many hits on the keywords so you don't get charged more than your budget. My point is, you have to know what the reprocusions are of what you are doing before you hurt people you really don't want to.
BTw, we sell hardware. We do not send out unsolicited email. Your method would wrongfully harm a number of upstanding companies that hate spam too. YOu have to identify which ones are the culprites before your proceed down a road like that.
Those ads cost more than a nickle to click on my friend. Depending on the populatiry of the search, one click can cost as much as $20.00, (that I have seen myself). My company uses this advertising method and it has been successful so far. Our per click advertising average is about $13.00. That's definatelyy per click too. I am sure other people who use this form of google ad can confirm this.
Now here is one piece of open source work that I would really like to see widely adopted and take off. It's the first real piece of open source work that is not a clone of something that solve a real world problem and is going to stop something real important from becoming proprietary, (no there is no adopted solution out there yet that is proprietary in my book).
I am sure that this will raise a lot of hackles in that I suggest that open source work is basically clone software of major labels, so troll mod me. I don't care. But reality is that there has not been a trust forward into a new field with open source work as of yet. This could be the project that makes open source a major player.
30%? that would be a loss on the contractor's part. I have done this for years. A minimum, to start is 100%. Your retirement and your health insurance will eat that up right away. If you want to cover the lack of security too, then you have to make a judgement as to how long you would assume you will be unemployed between jobs, (I estimate 6 months, but have only used that much time once), and raise the percentage based on that rate. It is not unusual to be in the $50/hr+ range when contracting.
You really have to push back a bit here too. Many employers now are attempting to lower the overall wage by trying to hire people that way under a promise to move them to full time in the future. Then they get you in the door and leave you on the contracting schedule just to keep the lower rate. You are left with no recourse except to find other employment. If you want full time work, then you HAVE TO make it more expensive for them to keep you as a contractor. Otherwise it's a no brainer on their part.
As far as the lower hours, that's a myth. As a contractor you will work the same hours as everyone else, if not more. In twenty years of doing this, I have not ever been in, or seen any contract positions where the hours were less simply because it was a contract position. Look at it this way. You are simply creating a one on one contract with your employer instead of going with the employer's boiler plate contract for regular employees. It's really that simple.
I have to agree. People think that they can leave their doors unlocked and everyhting should be alright. Then they complain, want to sue when the guy "walked right in and took my stuff". The first question the judge should ask is, "Did you lock the door?" If it is important to you to keep your stuff private or have limited access, I would thiink that you would take measures to secure it. DUHH!
I beg to differ with you, but I COULD make a 'processor' with out a wafer. What the heck do you think tubes were? I went to college in the days when this stuff was all new. I took engineering courses and worked at companies to 'make' this stuff. So yes I could do it if I had to. Economies of scale dictate that it would be foolish for me to waste my time doing so though. building a CPU is not magic as you seem to be suggesting and yes even you can learn the science behind it all and do it yourself. Granted there is a lot of science in it, but it is done all of the time and can still be done today.
You strike me as someone who has not ever had a decent idea that you could turn into a business before. I can express to you the joy that comes with knowing that something you 'thought up' is profitable and other people will actually pay YOU to use it too. Very satisfying. Not so much for the money part, just to know that you have value to someone else. How do you propose to measure value under your system? Under your system there would be no value attached to anything. It seems funny to me that most of the open source community target the big money makers. Ah Ha! so there is merit to the economics engine. You cannot throw the baby away with the bath water. It is truely frightening to me that so many of you possess this ultra fanatical belief that Open Source software is going to fix everything that is wrong with the programming world today. It will only create a whole other set of problems. I for one would like to continue to get paid for my coding work. My employer is not going to do that if he cannot sell the results. Hence I will not be coding in the future if Open Source is the new way of doing business. We will ahve to rely entirely on people who want to do it in their free time for new software. I find that really sad. So many great coders would simply turn their backs on the whole business. I would rather pay for decent software than to have to use mediocre software for free. Heck most software does not have a free counterpart. So I guess you would have to do without.
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I don't even know what a bzz agent is. I could follow your link to see either. How is that funny anyhow? I don't get it.
Of course I virus check my machines, every day with up to date software, that has nothing to do with it. The problem is when you have a large volume of data on a machine, 80+ gigs. The indexing engine hogs a tremendous amount of the CPU clock cycles to try to index it. I have had that problem on 4 different machines. I have a large/huge amount of indexed images and files for business. Google indexing engine is weak to poor in that case.
There is a second point to which I don't see addressed either. The Corporate policies in place at Apple actually fly in the face of IBM's corporate policies. Apple encourages freedom of thought open spaces and believes in making the workplace fit the worker. IBM is about Thinking inline with Engineering and linear thought, utilizing space to it's maximum and making the employees walk in step to the corporate tune. Neither of which I am saying is bad or good. Just that the two styles are so opposed that it would be like anti mateer and matter colliding. The two could never exist together. One would certainly destroy the other's ability to produce new work in their established manner.
They sure seem to be coming up with some pretty convoluted and simply dumb things over at google lately. I guess that's what happens when you get too many overly educated morons in one place. Their desktop search engine is a machine wrecker as it hogs so many CPU cycles and can't be throttled in any way. They wrecked the google groups now, which was my favorite feature for getting coding answers. what next, adopt a yahoo interface for their search engine (one that returns results you don't want at all)?
I agree. I was going to post this myself. I am increasing becoming ashamed of the editorial prowness of the Slashdot staff. I certainly would not admitt to many of my friends that I stoop to such a low level in my news hunt as slashdot anymore. It is truely embarrassing.
William Gibson hits on this same thing in his book called Pattern Recognition. It surprised me a little how far he took the idea. It was even plausible. Must read if you are interested in this sort of stuff. He is heavy on how our perceptions of things effect our every day lives.
lol, how did you go from commodores and radio shack trs machines to a Windows versus Linux versus Mac arguement? I fail to see the linearity here in your arguement. Smoke some more dope dude.
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What is a suicidal troll? Must be someone who response to utterly stupid comments like you made?
The other GLARING thing you bring up is the Amiga. Nice unit for it's time. It's dead now my friend, except for a handful of religious zealots out there like to practice silcon based necromancy. And if I have my history right, it didn't come about (~1985) until after the PC (~1981) and the Apple (~1976) were both pretty well established anyways. Get your facts straight dude.
Yea it will be something stupid, like all of the gun legislation that works so well. You will have to take a test, get a license to connect your PC to the net. That will stop all of the honest people from getting on who either can't afford the license fee or can't figure out what to do. The criminals will continue to get on by buying their guns on the street, .. I mean hacking into the net illegally. legislation only puts restrictions on the people who intended to follow the law to begin with. Those who intend to commit illegal acts are not going to follow the rules, whether there are rules in place or not. Give me a break, we don't need to gov. legislating stupid hurdles to throw in our way and give them power to charge us honest people with stupid laws when they get pissed at us, like they do with everything else.
... The US Senate to announced passage of legislation that will attach a two year prision sentence to anyone caught clicking fraudulently on a Google advertising. Google, amongst other advertising mediums have stated that this type of crime cost them billions of dollars per year....
...12 year old boy from Deluth Minn. was sentence to 16 consectutive 2 year prison sentences under the new HR30972 legislation today. To be freed at the age of 44 years of age.
lol, hahaha, lol hahaha
You have a real set of balls to try to compare those toys with a pc of any vintage! lol!
There is a reason why those things didn't last more than one generation. BECAUSE THEY SUCKED SO BAD DUDE! Get a life!!!
Perhaps the Slashdot editors and/or the Article writer does not know the meaning of the term 'broadcast tv'. Or maybe they just don't know what a dictionary is? I am astounded by the stupidity of this one.
Yea I have to agree. Sometimes techies, (I am a geek too so this hurts but..), are so infactuated with the technology that they can't see how foolish something is. Broadcast TV has been wireless forever, why would I want to layer something more on top of it that I have to pay extra for? I will go buy a TV antenna first. Of course maybe these guys aren't old enough to know what a TV antenna is. Possibly all they know about is cable. I don't understand how anyone would pay for such a thing as this.
Can I send you my resume then? ;)
I find your viewpoint refreshing. I have worked too many places where people place a high importance on the degree. I have a degree in a Electronics Engineering and Industrial Engineering and worked in those fields for 10 years, (very successfully too). I liked it, but I found that I loved coding even more. I have coded now for ten years since then and have been quite successful. I have feared that because I don't have a degree, a job change would be next to impossible. Although I have changed jobs twice in the coding field, I think I am short changed at times because I don't have a degree. It is more likely that I am short changing myself though. I know that I can run circles around most schooled coders, whereas they think they know, and I know I know, (does that make sense?).
The thing I have found important to understand is that most collegate degrees in CS do not reflect a knowledge in systems that are out there today. The degree does reflect an ability to learn the necessary knowledge to understand whats going on today, but anything you learned in school is already at least 4 years old and is probably been 'upgraded' or replaced since then. Things simply change too fast for any college or textbook to keep up. Surviving in the industry speaks volumes more than that degree ever will, IMHO.
You are definately wrong on that account. And yes it is worth $20 per click if even 1 click in 10 results in a $5000 sale. It's a matter of economy. If it's not worth it to you, then don't do it. As another reply suggests too, the price is based on popularity of the keyword and there are certainly keywords that cost a great deal more than others. I pay the bills and I am not buffaloing you on this one.
If you failed to generate a revenue stream from the slashdot exposure then that is your problem.
That statement makes little sense without some text to explain why you think that and facts to back it up. Otherwise it is simply an opinion. I don't see any facts out there that support a conjecture that Slashdotted sites see any rise in revenue. In fact I can provide facts that support the direct opposite of that. I could show you how Slashdotted sites more often see a drop in revenue, mainly due to the inability of normal/daily/potential customers not being able to establish a connection to the site to begin with. Secondly there are a group of sites that see DOS attacks, hacks and defacement due to attacks that correlate directly to Slashdot events. That IS fact. Where are yours?
I agree. I think the keywords you are searching for tend to bring up those companies who facilitate spamming rather than those who try to stop it.
I got scared right off the bat is all. The Google ads cost us a small fortune as it is and stress our budget. Even though they are the best money spent that we have found, you never really can say that they pay for themselves. If you try to look at it as in sales per number of hits, we lose money big time. There is more to that though than just hits per sale. There is word of mouth that it generates, name recognition and sales at a later date that would not otherwise have occured, and so on. Really difficult to measure, but expensive no matter how you look at it.
The other part that will make this tack MAYBE not worth it, is that once your preset limit is used up, the advertising stops on google, so you cannot force any company to spend more than it wanted to to begin with. If too many hits occured on all of the ads, the side bar would simply become empty.
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I don't agree. I don't think that most sites like to spend a ton of money and not get any return on their dollar. This site got slashdotted once. One of mine, and it resulted in $2500 in one day overage charges and resulted in zero dollars in sales for the company. I don't see how getting overage charges from too much traffic can benefit anyone unless they are all buying something, such as Amazon or Ebay.
lol, In fact we sell a SPAM hardware firewall and we are a google advertiser. That means that you would be hurting people who are in business to fight spam itself. It's from Barracuda Networks and it is our best selling piece of hardware. (See it on our products page here). We do advertise on Google under the SPAM search results. We are in a large mix of other advertisers, some of whom I am not so sure they are legite. As an advertiser, you don't always get listed on the right hand side. They only do it every so many hits on the keywords so you don't get charged more than your budget. My point is, you have to know what the reprocusions are of what you are doing before you hurt people you really don't want to.
BTw, we sell hardware. We do not send out unsolicited email. Your method would wrongfully harm a number of upstanding companies that hate spam too. YOu have to identify which ones are the culprites before your proceed down a road like that.
Those ads cost more than a nickle to click on my friend. Depending on the populatiry of the search, one click can cost as much as $20.00, (that I have seen myself). My company uses this advertising method and it has been successful so far. Our per click advertising average is about $13.00. That's definatelyy per click too. I am sure other people who use this form of google ad can confirm this.
Now here is one piece of open source work that I would really like to see widely adopted and take off. It's the first real piece of open source work that is not a clone of something that solve a real world problem and is going to stop something real important from becoming proprietary, (no there is no adopted solution out there yet that is proprietary in my book).
I am sure that this will raise a lot of hackles in that I suggest that open source work is basically clone software of major labels, so troll mod me. I don't care. But reality is that there has not been a trust forward into a new field with open source work as of yet. This could be the project that makes open source a major player.
30%? that would be a loss on the contractor's part. I have done this for years. A minimum, to start is 100%. Your retirement and your health insurance will eat that up right away. If you want to cover the lack of security too, then you have to make a judgement as to how long you would assume you will be unemployed between jobs, (I estimate 6 months, but have only used that much time once), and raise the percentage based on that rate. It is not unusual to be in the $50/hr+ range when contracting.
You really have to push back a bit here too. Many employers now are attempting to lower the overall wage by trying to hire people that way under a promise to move them to full time in the future. Then they get you in the door and leave you on the contracting schedule just to keep the lower rate. You are left with no recourse except to find other employment. If you want full time work, then you HAVE TO make it more expensive for them to keep you as a contractor. Otherwise it's a no brainer on their part.
As far as the lower hours, that's a myth. As a contractor you will work the same hours as everyone else, if not more. In twenty years of doing this, I have not ever been in, or seen any contract positions where the hours were less simply because it was a contract position. Look at it this way. You are simply creating a one on one contract with your employer instead of going with the employer's boiler plate contract for regular employees. It's really that simple.
I have to agree. People think that they can leave their doors unlocked and everyhting should be alright. Then they complain, want to sue when the guy "walked right in and took my stuff". The first question the judge should ask is, "Did you lock the door?" If it is important to you to keep your stuff private or have limited access, I would thiink that you would take measures to secure it. DUHH!
I beg to differ with you, but I COULD make a 'processor' with out a wafer. What the heck do you think tubes were? I went to college in the days when this stuff was all new. I took engineering courses and worked at companies to 'make' this stuff. So yes I could do it if I had to. Economies of scale dictate that it would be foolish for me to waste my time doing so though. building a CPU is not magic as you seem to be suggesting and yes even you can learn the science behind it all and do it yourself. Granted there is a lot of science in it, but it is done all of the time and can still be done today.
You strike me as someone who has not ever had a decent idea that you could turn into a business before. I can express to you the joy that comes with knowing that something you 'thought up' is profitable and other people will actually pay YOU to use it too. Very satisfying. Not so much for the money part, just to know that you have value to someone else. How do you propose to measure value under your system? Under your system there would be no value attached to anything. It seems funny to me that most of the open source community target the big money makers. Ah Ha! so there is merit to the economics engine. You cannot throw the baby away with the bath water. It is truely frightening to me that so many of you possess this ultra fanatical belief that Open Source software is going to fix everything that is wrong with the programming world today. It will only create a whole other set of problems. I for one would like to continue to get paid for my coding work. My employer is not going to do that if he cannot sell the results. Hence I will not be coding in the future if Open Source is the new way of doing business. We will ahve to rely entirely on people who want to do it in their free time for new software. I find that really sad. So many great coders would simply turn their backs on the whole business. I would rather pay for decent software than to have to use mediocre software for free. Heck most software does not have a free counterpart. So I guess you would have to do without.