Secure Computing/is/ releasing their version, per email with the company: To: govt@securecomputing.com cc: (bcc: Cathy Cromley/SECURE)
Subject: Your new version of Linux
I don't know if you are bound by any kind of non-disclouser agreement with the NSA, but after seeing an article posted on Yahoo about your "High Security" version of Linux you are producing, i was wondering if you are aware of the "full disclosure" clauses of the GPL ( GNU Public Liscense ) that the Linux Operating System was produced under and how you plan on handling that liscenses clauses.
It is our intention to be an active, responsible member of the open source community. Within the constraints this imposes, we will work with partners to develop new product offerings that will benefit our customers, our partners, and us. However, we will also benefit simply by having a Linux based secure operating system on which to host our products.
Our modifications to Linux will consist of:
- strong policy enforcement code which is in the kernel itself,
- a flexible policy engine which is structured as a separate module
We will open source all the modifications to the kernel as well
as a general-purpose policy engine. We have not determined the
exact functionality of this engine, but it will support a broad
set of basic applications and it will be complete enough too
teach the community how to write other policy engines. We hope
that others will choose to enhance this engine and/or develop
their own policy engines that are optimized for their purposes.
We will keep the policy engines for our products, such as the
Naw, has far as i can remember the NSA is strictly to gather intellegence on forgien communications, the FBI is the only intellegence agency charted for dometic use.....any feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though:)
I don't know.....this is so lame i wouldn't have even bothered posting the article...i guess this is thier way of telling us to "shut up" uh? *LOL*
Seriously though, has any noticed that the news reports more and more non-news day in and day out? the side effects of 24hr cable news channels maybe? ah well...
I emailed the Goverment Contracts divison of Secure Computing to see how they would handle the different restrictions the GPL places on them, the address is govt@securecomputing.com, by the way, baring them being under some kind of "non-disclosure" agreement i hope to get an answer soon....short of that, any body know of a public-relations email for the NSA? Comeon people, don't just sit there, get involved!
It's actually quite simple, Linux has a bigger movement, is free, and also is gaining a high level of intrest and support, therefore, NSA wants to know about, and don't forget once they know how to make it secure they will know how to get into it, to read our mail or whatever ( i know, not charted for domestic use, however, i'm sure they'll/love/ reading China's mail:) ). Basically for all the same reasons they audited Windows NT, they are auditing Linux...what i want to know is why the "commercial secure distro", just tell us what you did!
Intresting? I don't think it's too intrestings, sounds more scary to me...they might has well have the display on the radios say 1984...big brother IS watching, and now he can TELL you he's watching . ah well...rant off....i'm going to go back to work now....*eeeep* we just caught you looking at a non-work related web page, you pink slip is in the mail, have a nice life
I love it, I am laughing, though some panels almost seem tacked on, like he had to keep the whole, two by three format and had to pull stuff out of thin air, so it lags here and there, but hey, can't b*tch about that can we, anyone who takes the time and dedication to do something like this with that kind of off-beat humour is OK in my book. And it made me laugh enough that you don't care about the slight stupid joke. So all in all, i give it a..oh...A- very very nice:)
Got two posts confused, it was ottffssent's post i was refeering to here which i find more intresting and would really like to know more about the reply to:)
And he should be keeping us up to date...so why did an AC post this? BTW Bruce's earlier post is here Someone may want to link this in the article posting if they haven't all ready, personally i like seeing someone taking this inceiteve(sp), we won't take our rights being violating standing down. Normally i wouldn't care, but this a blantent violating of the GPL in the EULA as bruce pointed out in his earlier post.:)
Bugs....lots of bugs....and bugs that aren't bugs because their features. And no documention, and any documention is written by a coder and not a writer so it's hard to understand, and no ease of use...alpha is alpha, alpha = larva...
I'll get flammed for this..but....does that mean Linux is an alpha;-) ( IT'S A JOKE FOR CHRISSAKES!!!! )
Oh i agree whole heartedly, but it's/still/ not a matter of them going out and tapping anyone and everyone. Which is the impression you get at first, and if you read the rest of it the ASIO has to submit data to the exuctive branch (minister) and then the minister decides if it warrants a....well....a warrant.
But let me make this clear, this law/is/ a bad law, it's non specfic, too broad and is generally a BAD THING, on this, i think we all agree.
Yes it's bad, Yes i disagree with it...and no it shouldn't have been passed, but it's not the end of the world....for instance not ANY Austrialian's computer can be tapped ie: (i) allowing the Minister to issue warrants which may authorise ASIO to:
- remotely access data that is relevant to security and is stored in a computer specified in the warrant;
hence, there has to be a warrant issued, so they/shouldn't/ ( key word ) shouldn't be snooping around Joe Smoe's computer for no good reason.
What/is/ scary is this: (iii) amending provisions dealing with search warrants to:
- simplify the description of the matters about which the Minister must be satisfied before issuing a warrant;
Issueing a warrent should/not/ be too easy, because that's what gets it closer to Joe Smoe's computer. Of course one part of the bill/did/ make me laugh:
(xi) changing the spelling of Organization in the title of ASIO to Organisation.
Firstly, it passed major legislation that enables the Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), similar to the CIA, to remotely tap into and alter data on any Australian's computer.
How are they going to do that if they're not even hooked up to the net? Damn, i want that technology "Remotely access your computer without a telephone line or network cable, Hell, EVEN IF IT'S OFF!!!"
Seriously though, this stuff just scares me, and it's the whole "We don't understand it, therefore it must be bad" mentality so widespread in politicians, ah well, i don't know about you guys, but when the revolution comes i/won't/ be one of the ones against the wall.
"Look around this world we've made equality our stock in trade come and join the brotherhood of man" --2112, Rush
First Person Shooters might prepare you for war ( ie, point and shoot, and some simple sniper tactics, etc. etc. ) but Sims ( ie, WarCraft, StarCraft, etc. etc. ) can perpare you for Revolution. Personaly, i'd rather play Revolution then War;)
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I don't know if that was done on purpose or not but...MODERATE THAT UP, that was the first thing i've laughed out loud about today;)
I assume they mean AIM AND ICQ Combined, that's a hell of alot of people, and ( this is going to sound SOOO distasteful ) but i actually/agree/ with Microsoft on this issue, there/should/ be a base standard for Instant Messaging, but somehow i think Microsoft is talking out of both sides of it's mouth, they just want a standard so they can add their own kludgy junk to it. But still, a standard would be nice IMO.
I actually/did/ think the two were connected somehow, and i must say, i do agree with what someone posted earlier, i like to see the courts slamming on the big boys for a change, maybe if they get a black eye they'll see how it feels. Maybe? Possibly? We can hope and pray right?
Well the issue isn't so much have to do with the order ( if you look on the right hand side of most standared keyboards, you can indeed, reading left to right, read them has alt-ctrl-del, the issue has more to do with the ONE finger for ONE button wording of the phrase Al Gore used, most (if not all, the posts about the MS keyboard not withstanding ) keyboards have three seperate keys you must press with three seperate fingers for the approprite action to be taken.
I cannot comprehend how some can argue that hate crimes are no different from all other crimes. That is why we need tougher laws to prevent and punish them.
Because Murder is Murder, hate is an emotion, we should not be punished for emotion, rather we should be punished for actions ( in this case Murder )
Another person asked me how we can make our schools safer in the aftermath of tragedies such as Columbine. I said that I believe the solutions range from tough measures to get guns away from kids and criminals, to more discipline and values in our schools, to more self-restraint in the use of gratuitous violence in the entertainment media, to more parental involvement in the lives of our children--which of course means we need to give working parents more help in balancing work and family.
How about we value differences, How about we let faith take the forefront in daily lives, how about we teach our children rather then control them, and how about teaching that it's OKAY for a mother to stay at home, that it's OKAY to spank a child who's misbeahving? What about that Mr. Gore?
Of course, I feel it's important to point out to America's young people: If Bill had not dropped out of college, he'd have a chance at being worth two trillion dollars.
A bald faced Lie, Gates would have missed the Computer Revolution by a year or two and never would have gotten started, in this Moore's Law world we need Better, Faster schools for the Techs out there, or some kind of Fast-Track equivlant degree, Being in the IT field i've learned that if you have a degree you're probably a year obsolete at least
Everything else in this article is Pro-Microsoft we like 'em so should you sop. I wonder if Bill Gates is a big Campaigne Contributor?
PS. Please forgive my spelling, one of my faults i'm afraid
PSS. BTW I agree with all the ALT-CONTROL-DELETE comments;)
I do belive i may have prior art in that my patent was applied for At The Beginning fo Time, but if not, sir, i would be more the happy to pay a licensing fee, i say we have to get rid of this "Hemos" fellow, he has a monoply on resperation that we just have to break up.
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Secure Computing /is/ releasing their version, per email with the company:
To: govt@securecomputing.com
cc: (bcc: Cathy Cromley/SECURE)
Subject: Your new version of Linux
I don't know if you are bound by any kind of non-disclouser agreement with
the NSA, but after seeing an article posted on Yahoo about your "High
Security" version of Linux you are producing, i was wondering if you are
aware of the "full disclosure" clauses of the GPL ( GNU Public Liscense )
that the Linux Operating System was produced under and how you plan on
handling that liscenses clauses.
It is our intention to be an active, responsible member of the
open source community. Within the constraints this imposes, we
will work with partners to develop new product offerings that
will benefit our customers, our partners, and us. However, we
will also benefit simply by having a Linux based secure operating
system on which to host our products.
Our modifications to Linux will consist of:
- strong policy enforcement code which is in the kernel
itself,
- a flexible policy engine which is structured as a separate
module
We will open source all the modifications to the kernel as well
as a general-purpose policy engine. We have not determined the
exact functionality of this engine, but it will support a broad
set of basic applications and it will be complete enough too
teach the community how to write other policy engines. We hope
that others will choose to enhance this engine and/or develop
their own policy engines that are optimized for their purposes.
We will keep the policy engines for our products, such as the
Sidewinder policy engine, proprietary.
Naw, has far as i can remember the NSA is strictly to gather intellegence on forgien communications, the FBI is the only intellegence agency charted for dometic use.....any feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though :)
I don't know.....this is so lame i wouldn't have even bothered posting the article...i guess this is thier way of telling us to "shut up" uh? *LOL*
Seriously though, has any noticed that the news reports more and more non-news day in and day out? the side effects of 24hr cable news channels maybe? ah well...
I emailed the Goverment Contracts divison of Secure Computing to see how they would handle the different restrictions the GPL places on them, the address is govt@securecomputing.com, by the way, baring them being under some kind of "non-disclosure" agreement i hope to get an answer soon....short of that, any body know of a public-relations email for the NSA? Comeon people, don't just sit there, get involved!
It's actually quite simple, Linux has a bigger movement, is free, and also is gaining a high level of intrest and support, therefore, NSA wants to know about, and don't forget once they know how to make it secure they will know how to get into it, to read our mail or whatever ( i know, not charted for domestic use, however, i'm sure they'll /love/ reading China's mail :) ). Basically for all the same reasons they audited Windows NT, they are auditing Linux...what i want to know is why the "commercial secure distro", just tell us what you did!
Intresting? I don't think it's too intrestings, sounds more scary to me...they might has well have the display on the radios say 1984...big brother IS watching, and now he can TELL you he's watching . ah well...rant off....i'm going to go back to work now....*eeeep* we just caught you looking at a non-work related web page, you pink slip is in the mail, have a nice life
*sigh*
I love it, I am laughing, though some panels almost seem tacked on, like he had to keep the whole, two by three format and had to pull stuff out of thin air, so it lags here and there, but hey, can't b*tch about that can we, anyone who takes the time and dedication to do something like this with that kind of off-beat humour is OK in my book. And it made me laugh enough that you don't care about the slight stupid joke. So all in all, i give it a..oh...A- very very nice :)
They don't seem to care about your age if you download the source :)
wilkinsm....have you tried going to The List? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid= it intrests me that everything is from June....what's up with that?
Got two posts confused, it was ottffssent's post i was refeering to here which i find more intresting and would really like to know more about the reply to :)
And he should be keeping us up to date...so why did an AC post this? BTW Bruce's earlier post is here Someone may want to link this in the article posting if they haven't all ready, personally i like seeing someone taking this inceiteve(sp), we won't take our rights being violating standing down. Normally i wouldn't care, but this a blantent violating of the GPL in the EULA as bruce pointed out in his earlier post. :)
A cool story on M$NBC.....
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Bugs....lots of bugs....and bugs that aren't bugs because their features. And no documention, and any documention is written by a coder and not a writer so it's hard to understand, and no ease of use...alpha is alpha, alpha = larva...
;-) ( IT'S A JOKE FOR CHRISSAKES!!!! )
I'll get flammed for this..but....does that mean Linux is an alpha
Oh i agree whole heartedly, but it's /still/ not a matter of them going out and tapping anyone and everyone. Which is the impression you get at first, and if you read the rest of it the ASIO has to submit data to the exuctive branch (minister) and then the minister decides if it warrants a....well....a warrant.
/is/ a bad law, it's non specfic, too broad and is generally a BAD THING, on this, i think we all agree.
But let me make this clear, this law
Yes it's bad, Yes i disagree with it...and no it shouldn't have been passed, but it's not the end of the world....for instance not ANY Austrialian's computer can be tapped ie: (i) allowing the Minister to issue warrants which may authorise ASIO to:
/shouldn't/ ( key word ) shouldn't be snooping around Joe Smoe's computer for no good reason.
/is/ scary is this: (iii) amending provisions dealing with search warrants to:
/not/ be too easy, because that's what gets it closer to Joe Smoe's computer. Of course one part of the bill /did/ make me laugh:
- remotely access data that is relevant to security and is stored in a computer specified in the warrant;
hence, there has to be a warrant issued, so they
What
- simplify the description of the matters about which the Minister must be satisfied before issuing a warrant;
Issueing a warrent should
(xi) changing the spelling of Organization in the title of ASIO to Organisation.
Firstly, it passed major legislation that enables the Australian
/won't/ be one of the ones against the wall.
Security and Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), similar to the CIA, to remotely tap into and alter data on any
Australian's computer.
How are they going to do that if they're not even hooked up to the net? Damn, i want that technology "Remotely access your computer without a telephone line or network cable, Hell, EVEN IF IT'S OFF!!!"
Seriously though, this stuff just scares me, and it's the whole "We don't understand it, therefore it must be bad" mentality so widespread in politicians, ah well, i don't know about you guys, but when the revolution comes i
"Look around
this world we've made
equality our stock in trade
come and join the brotherhood of man"
--2112, Rush
First Person Shooters might prepare you for war ( ie, point and shoot, and some simple sniper tactics, etc. etc. ) but Sims ( ie, WarCraft, StarCraft, etc. etc. ) can perpare you for Revolution. Personaly, i'd rather play Revolution then War ;)
Though you die
La Resistance' lives on
I don't know if that was done on purpose or not but...MODERATE THAT UP, that was the first thing i've laughed out loud about today ;)
I assume they mean AIM AND ICQ Combined, that's a hell of alot of people, and ( this is going to sound SOOO distasteful ) but i actually /agree/ with Microsoft on this issue, there /should/ be a base standard for Instant Messaging, but somehow i think Microsoft is talking out of both sides of it's mouth, they just want a standard so they can add their own kludgy junk to it. But still, a standard would be nice IMO.
Try Ctrl-Alt-+
that's the Control Key, The Alt Key and then the Plus key
I actually /did/ think the two were connected somehow, and i must say, i do agree with what someone posted earlier, i like to see the courts slamming on the big boys for a change, maybe if they get a black eye they'll see how it feels. Maybe? Possibly? We can hope and pray right?
The system is a crack whore
Well the issue isn't so much have to do with the order ( if you look on the right hand side of most standared keyboards, you can indeed, reading left to right, read them has alt-ctrl-del, the issue has more to do with the ONE finger for ONE button wording of the phrase Al Gore used, most (if not all, the posts about the MS keyboard not withstanding ) keyboards have three seperate keys you must press with three seperate fingers for the approprite action to be taken.
In The Form of A Debate I Answer Al Gore
;)
I cannot comprehend how some can argue that hate crimes are no
different from all other crimes. That is why we need tougher
laws to prevent and punish them.
Because Murder is Murder, hate is an emotion, we should not be punished
for emotion, rather we should be punished for actions ( in this case Murder )
Another person asked me how we can make our schools
safer in the aftermath of tragedies such as Columbine. I said
that I believe the solutions range from tough measures to get
guns away from kids and criminals, to more discipline and
values in our schools, to more self-restraint in the use of
gratuitous violence in the entertainment media, to more
parental involvement in the lives of our children--which of
course means we need to give working parents more help in
balancing work and family.
How about we value differences, How about we let faith take the forefront
in daily lives, how about we teach our children rather then control them, and
how about teaching that it's OKAY for a mother to stay at home, that it's OKAY
to spank a child who's misbeahving? What about that Mr. Gore?
Of course, I feel it's important to point out to America's young people: If
Bill had not dropped out of college, he'd have a chance at
being worth two trillion dollars.
A bald faced Lie, Gates would have missed the Computer Revolution by a year or two
and never would have gotten started, in this Moore's Law world we need Better, Faster
schools for the Techs out there, or some kind of Fast-Track equivlant degree, Being in
the IT field i've learned that if you have a degree you're probably a year obsolete at least
Everything else in this article is Pro-Microsoft we like 'em so should you sop. I wonder
if Bill Gates is a big Campaigne Contributor?
PS. Please forgive my spelling, one of my faults i'm afraid
PSS. BTW I agree with all the ALT-CONTROL-DELETE comments
I do belive i may have prior art in that my patent was applied for At The Beginning fo Time, but if not, sir, i would be more the happy to pay a licensing fee, i say we have to get rid of this "Hemos" fellow, he has a monoply on resperation that we just have to break up.