Well, it would have allowed you to see all the things which you seem to feel are glaring flaws (one menu bar, dock etc etc). All of the things you mentioned are evident after a few minutes use.
Everyone who has posted about adapting to the Mac says it takes a month to really get used to it. I have never, ever, seen anyone go "Poke around for 15 minutes, if you find anything that bothers you, then it's not worth it for you to get a Mac."
Sweeping generalisations are not often useful. If you're happier on Windows, that's great, why the need to judge others and pretend to know their motives?
Because I didn't. Because after going to all my Mac using friends, (looking for help) that's what they ended up saying. Because that's how they all, all used the Mac. That isn't a sweeping generalisation, this is what I found out by talking to experenced Mac users.
I imagine it's cmd-delete because it's a destructive action, and you wouldn't want to do it by mistake
First, how the heck is moving the file to the trash can a destructive action? You can do it by mistake, and if it's a mistake, you just put it back.
You can right click on the file and delete in one action, no problem. No extra buttons need be pressed. Come on, there is NO reason at all to require two buttons to delete. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Most of your comments boil down to 'Argh, it's different from Windows, how dare they'; they're neither constructive nor attempting to be objective, that's why I said you're not trying.
Sit back, an imagine for a minute. What if there's a perfect way of deleting something. What if Windows does it? So, is it the Windows way, or the right way?
As for remedies, you'd have to actually *want* to accept something different from the conventions you're used to. If you're complaining about the position of buttons on the windows being on the left or right, I doubt you'll ever be happy but on Windows/Windows clones.
Actually, I'm angry at being scammed. I was told that the Apple UI was a superior product, and after using it for a month, it certainly is not. I spent hundreds of dollars to learn this lesson. Even though my Mini is a month old, I'll lose a good chunk of cash selling it. Other Mac users don't seem concerned about that, it seems that they just have money rain down from the sky at them.
The answer is simple: Mac OS X, unlike Linux, doesn't have an interface that is cloned from Windows. It's a totally different experience, and if you want to be successful in "figuring it out," you're going to have to accept that there are different ways of doing things, and that doesn't make it inherently bad.
For the next month, I want you to replace all numbers with Roman numerals. Use them in math, giving out phone numbers, etc.
Roman Numbers aren't inherently bad, they're just different. You're not used to it. You're comparing them to Arabic numbers that you've used all your life.
I tried moving it around, but it just got in the way. OS/X 10.4 doesn't keep the icons where you left them when you restart.
I ended up reducing it as much as possible and then hiding it offscreen. And downloading a 3rd party product to keep track of my programs and running tasks.
You're not even trying. I suggest you move back to windows or run a Linux windows-a-like on your mini if the Mac UI upsets you so much and you really feel you can't adjust.
Wow. You *suggest* I go back to Windows? Why, that's quite asute of you. Normally, when I do something that bothers me I just keep doing it. Also, if I'm not trying, you certainly don't seem to have any suggestions to remedy the situation.
I bought a fully loaded Mini Mac and used it as my main machine for a month. What would you have me do?
And for 900$ I'm not going to run Linux on my Mini. The whole point of getting the mini was to try OS/X.
How you managed to buy a computer with a new operating system without doing any research on it mystifies me though - you'd think you'd have tried one out before getting that far.
Tried one out? Where? Would sitting in a Apple store and using one for 15 minutes tell me if it was any good? I knew OS/X is different, and from the other people who have tried it, you have to sit down and use it for a month. How would you suggest I go do that without buying one? And no, I don't have any friends nearby that use a Mac.
Surely you would have seen screenshots and been warned of the heinous placement of window buttons before buying?
What good would that warning have done me? I've never seriously used a Mac. I had no idea if that was a better placement of buttons or not. The only way to know is by using it for a period of time. Is your answer to ignorance: "You should of known."?
Personally I'm glad there are different styles of operating system, and no, all buttons being on the right of the window, menus in the window etc etc is not intrinsically better.
According to what rules of UI are you basing this off of? Apple's? You think a more independent source would be better?
Some things Windows gets right which the mac doesn't - surely you didn't expect everything to be perfect?
A 900$ severely underpowered computer. Bought solely for the OS. Sung of in loving praise by Mac heads everywhere. If not perfect, I expected it to be so much better than Windows that it would be obvious.
"Want to see the date? Click the menu bar clock."
Or, in Linux and Windows, just look at the corner of the screen at any time.
"Want to delete a file? Cmd-delete."
Or, in Linux and Windows, just hit one button. Considering all three OSes send it to a trash can, why is the extra button needed on the mac? When you have to hit Enter, should it be "Cmd Enter"?
"Don't like the dock? Hide it and use a dock replacement."
But I shouldn't have to do that! I'm paying a price premium for something that is supposed to be a well thought out OS. Heavily researched UI! The dock should be better than anything out there.
"Those that aren't are complaints about fundamental differences in the UI. If you expected it to be the same, why switch from Windows?"
I expected it to be better. I wanted to see what this amazing OS was supposed to be like. And now I know. It's for people who don't like computers. They just want their box to do a few tasks/programs then go home.
As of now, the Mini is on sale. I'm hoping to at least get back 75% of what I bought it for a month ago. But seeing the prices on ebay, I don't think it's going to happen.
Because the Mac UI is supposed to be the best, most fantastic, blow your socks off, greatest EVAR.
Because the UI is supposed to be one of the great things about the Mac. And so I bought a Mini to try it out.
I was shocked at how bad it was. I used it for a month and it was a great learning experence. It really illuminated how much thought MS has put into their desktop.
"Apple is well known for abandoning old hardware and software..."
Then why did I get a copy of OS/9 with my Mini Mac? Isn't that a 6 year old OS?
And that horrible bar at the top of the screen is still there. It worked fine when people only ran one program at a time on computers. But these days it's in the way.
Interesting. And how do you know it's from the dogmatic pledge and not from seeing the other country and going "Well, it's nice, but I wouldn't want to live there."?
I've been to many other countries. And lived in them. I don't recall many natives there striving to better themselves and their country. It seems that they were just working, raising kids, and doing other things to enjoy life.
Having people pledge alliegence to the Country they belong to is a bad thing? That's brainwashing?
And the Consitution, the one piece of paper the entire government is built on. The base document that all three branches of the government are sworn to uphold. The document that's so important that the highest court in the land exists only to rule whether a law is consitutional or not.
That's kind of important, don't you think?
I've never heard of any brainwashing to "Love the consitution." but once you see the rules and the reasoning behind it, you should see that it's a damn good set of rules.
And the rich and powerful always, ALWAYS have a say in how the government is run. In any country. At any time. That's the nature of reality man, and not liking it is normal. Having the tools to fight it varies from country to country.
The reason most citizens don't ask questions about how the govenrment is run, is because most citizens are fine with the way the government is running. Tell them what they need to know to accomplish the objectives in their life and then get out of their way.
So, Denmark uses an anti-terror law wrong and this means what exactly?
The mark of a free society is that you can get lawyers, go to court and fight things like this. Or has all the members of Greenpeace been rounded up and executed already?
And everyone is grabbing for power around the world. Sheesh. So, your choices are to either understand and deal with these people.
Or post "The sky is falling" on Slashdot. I suppose the latter is easier.
"Add to that the sheer hypocrisy of imposing measures on others (e.g. no trade tariffs, no agricultural subsidies, no profileration of WMD, etc) while openly refusing to impose same on yourselves.. Frankly, although I despise violence even more than imperialism, I think I understand why people would fight that tooth and nail."
Considering that the US gets dragged into many hot spots in the world, I would prefer that they're not armed with poison gases or nukes.
Other countries sniff at our hyprocracy, but frankly, put up or shut up. Most countries don't even give a damn as to what happens to the people in other countries.
Start spending huge amounts of blood and treasure in other places and then say "Sure! We think it's ok for you to have completely indiscriminate weapons of destruction in your unstable country."
And why can the US have them? Well, we sure don't get foriegn aid when we have a disaster, do we?
But I'm curious, if the next 9/11 is going to be the US's fault. Why is that, and how would the US have to change to not have it happen?
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There were millions of DVDs sold of that one season.
What's stopping them from releasing seasons through DVD only?
When I see "Picked up" I think "Own it and is developing new shows."
It's nice that they will be getting more FireFly awareness out there. But they're just popping in the dvds into a player and broadcasting it.
Not too impressive from where I'm sitting.
Man, it's time to get your boss to buy you a new desktop PC!
A mini-mouse...
X?
I wanted to look that up. Do you know how difficult that is?
So what's "X"?
Well, it would have allowed you to see all the things which you seem to feel are glaring flaws (one menu bar, dock etc etc). All of the things you mentioned are evident after a few minutes use.
Everyone who has posted about adapting to the Mac says it takes a month to really get used to it. I have never, ever, seen anyone go "Poke around for 15 minutes, if you find anything that bothers you, then it's not worth it for you to get a Mac."
Sweeping generalisations are not often useful. If you're happier on Windows, that's great, why the need to judge others and pretend to know their motives?
Because I didn't. Because after going to all my Mac using friends, (looking for help) that's what they ended up saying. Because that's how they all, all used the Mac. That isn't a sweeping generalisation, this is what I found out by talking to experenced Mac users.
I imagine it's cmd-delete because it's a destructive action, and you wouldn't want to do it by mistake
First, how the heck is moving the file to the trash can a destructive action? You can do it by mistake, and if it's a mistake, you just put it back.
You can right click on the file and delete in one action, no problem. No extra buttons need be pressed. Come on, there is NO reason at all to require two buttons to delete. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Most of your comments boil down to 'Argh, it's different from Windows, how dare they'; they're neither constructive nor attempting to be objective, that's why I said you're not trying.
Sit back, an imagine for a minute. What if there's a perfect way of deleting something. What if Windows does it? So, is it the Windows way, or the right way?
As for remedies, you'd have to actually *want* to accept something different from the conventions you're used to. If you're complaining about the position of buttons on the windows being on the left or right, I doubt you'll ever be happy but on Windows/Windows clones.
Actually, I'm angry at being scammed. I was told that the Apple UI was a superior product, and after using it for a month, it certainly is not. I spent hundreds of dollars to learn this lesson. Even though my Mini is a month old, I'll lose a good chunk of cash selling it. Other Mac users don't seem concerned about that, it seems that they just have money rain down from the sky at them.
The answer is simple: Mac OS X, unlike Linux, doesn't have an interface that is cloned from Windows. It's a totally different experience, and if you want to be successful in "figuring it out," you're going to have to accept that there are different ways of doing things, and that doesn't make it inherently bad.
For the next month, I want you to replace all numbers with Roman numerals. Use them in math, giving out phone numbers, etc.
Roman Numbers aren't inherently bad, they're just different. You're not used to it. You're comparing them to Arabic numbers that you've used all your life.
I tried moving it around, but it just got in the way. OS/X 10.4 doesn't keep the icons where you left them when you restart.
I ended up reducing it as much as possible and then hiding it offscreen. And downloading a 3rd party product to keep track of my programs and running tasks.
You're not even trying. I suggest you move back to windows or run a Linux windows-a-like on your mini if the Mac UI upsets you so much and you really feel you can't adjust.
Wow. You *suggest* I go back to Windows? Why, that's quite asute of you. Normally, when I do something that bothers me I just keep doing it. Also, if I'm not trying, you certainly don't seem to have any suggestions to remedy the situation.
I bought a fully loaded Mini Mac and used it as my main machine for a month. What would you have me do?
And for 900$ I'm not going to run Linux on my Mini. The whole point of getting the mini was to try OS/X.
How you managed to buy a computer with a new operating system without doing any research on it mystifies me though - you'd think you'd have tried one out before getting that far.
Tried one out? Where? Would sitting in a Apple store and using one for 15 minutes tell me if it was any good? I knew OS/X is different, and from the other people who have tried it, you have to sit down and use it for a month. How would you suggest I go do that without buying one? And no, I don't have any friends nearby that use a Mac.
Surely you would have seen screenshots and been warned of the heinous placement of window buttons before buying?
What good would that warning have done me? I've never seriously used a Mac. I had no idea if that was a better placement of buttons or not. The only way to know is by using it for a period of time. Is your answer to ignorance: "You should of known."?
Personally I'm glad there are different styles of operating system, and no, all buttons being on the right of the window, menus in the window etc etc is not intrinsically better.
According to what rules of UI are you basing this off of? Apple's? You think a more independent source would be better?
Some things Windows gets right which the mac doesn't - surely you didn't expect everything to be perfect?
A 900$ severely underpowered computer. Bought solely for the OS. Sung of in loving praise by Mac heads everywhere. If not perfect, I expected it to be so much better than Windows that it would be obvious.
"Want to see the date? Click the menu bar clock."
Or, in Linux and Windows, just look at the corner of the screen at any time.
"Want to delete a file? Cmd-delete."
Or, in Linux and Windows, just hit one button. Considering all three OSes send it to a trash can, why is the extra button needed on the mac? When you have to hit Enter, should it be "Cmd Enter"?
"Don't like the dock? Hide it and use a dock replacement."
But I shouldn't have to do that! I'm paying a price premium for something that is supposed to be a well thought out OS. Heavily researched UI! The dock should be better than anything out there.
"Those that aren't are complaints about fundamental differences in the UI. If you expected it to be the same, why switch from Windows?"
I expected it to be better. I wanted to see what this amazing OS was supposed to be like. And now I know. It's for people who don't like computers. They just want their box to do a few tasks/programs then go home.
As of now, the Mini is on sale. I'm hoping to at least get back 75% of what I bought it for a month ago. But seeing the prices on ebay, I don't think it's going to happen.
So much for "Holds their value longer."
How can you prefer the menu commands being spread out in two seperate areas?
How can you prefer the window buttons aren't on the right side, grouped with ALL the other window manipuating buttons?
How can you prefer that if you want to pull the left side of a window over to reveal a half covered chat window, you just can't!
How can you prefer having large bulky icons showing you what is running instead of a small block of text?
How can you prefer not being able to show the date along with the time???
How can you prefer having your icons move around on you, insead of staying where you want them?
The screen has the most space on the left and right side. How can you prefer having precious screen real-estate taken up by those top and bottom bars?
How can you prefer not being able to delete a file by hitting the delete key?
And that's just from the first WEEK of me trying this. For a UI, it's really bad.
Because the Mac UI is supposed to be the best, most fantastic, blow your socks off, greatest EVAR.
Because the UI is supposed to be one of the great things about the Mac. And so I bought a Mini to try it out.
I was shocked at how bad it was. I used it for a month and it was a great learning experence. It really illuminated how much thought MS has put into their desktop.
Evangelists are not rational. They make up arguements to support beliefs, not facts.
So, do you believe this to be true or do you know this for a fact?
"Apple is well known for abandoning old hardware and software..."
Then why did I get a copy of OS/9 with my Mini Mac? Isn't that a 6 year old OS?
And that horrible bar at the top of the screen is still there. It worked fine when people only ran one program at a time on computers. But these days it's in the way.
Since there isn't a publically available OS/X for the x86, you couldn't switch right now anyway.
So, because the US goes to war (Unlike any other country in the history of mankind), Americans have to be better than normal people?
And if you have a better way to take power away from dictators than at gunpoint, by all means, please use it! N. Korea could really use your help!
Interesting. And how do you know it's from the dogmatic pledge and not from seeing the other country and going "Well, it's nice, but I wouldn't want to live there."?
I've been to many other countries. And lived in them. I don't recall many natives there striving to better themselves and their country. It seems that they were just working, raising kids, and doing other things to enjoy life.
Why do you set the bar higher for Americans?
Holy cow. Can you read what I quoted?
"the tradition of fillibustering judicial nominations..."
I put "judicial nominations" in there for a reason.
This is a new tactic being used by the Democrats. They don't want to give a "Yay or nay" vote. They want to grind the procedure to a halt.
"if the minority fillibusteres EVERYTHING they are sure to be voted out as obstructionist."
I've never heard of such a thing. Is there a name for this so I can look it up? Do you mean being voted out of the Senate?
"The tradition of the fillibuster has become a tool to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority."
So then you're for reinstating it in the House then? Again, what makes the Senate so special? Did you even read the link I posted?
Is the whole Patriot act going to sunset at the end of this year? I know parts of it are supposed to.
How hard is it to 'patch' it with these new rules?
Are we sure that this isn't a way to make the act so odious that it's completely dumped?
Has any major successes or failures been attributed to it?
Has the FBI ever been denied a warrant to get the info that they needed before?
Blogs have spoiled me. I'm used to getting useful information.
So, let me get this straight...
Having people pledge alliegence to the Country they belong to is a bad thing? That's brainwashing?
And the Consitution, the one piece of paper the entire government is built on. The base document that all three branches of the government are sworn to uphold. The document that's so important that the highest court in the land exists only to rule whether a law is consitutional or not.
That's kind of important, don't you think?
I've never heard of any brainwashing to "Love the consitution." but once you see the rules and the reasoning behind it, you should see that it's a damn good set of rules.
And the rich and powerful always, ALWAYS have a say in how the government is run. In any country. At any time. That's the nature of reality man, and not liking it is normal. Having the tools to fight it varies from country to country.
The reason most citizens don't ask questions about how the govenrment is run, is because most citizens are fine with the way the government is running. Tell them what they need to know to accomplish the objectives in their life and then get out of their way.
"Right, cause there aren't any countries like North Korea that would be closer to the true definition of a police state..."
Considering you didn't list any off, plus the reasoning that makes it so, I'd say no.
So when the country has been destroyed, will it leave a big country-sized hole in the earth?
People might take you seriously if you tone down the hyperbole.
So, Denmark uses an anti-terror law wrong and this means what exactly?
The mark of a free society is that you can get lawyers, go to court and fight things like this. Or has all the members of Greenpeace been rounded up and executed already?
And everyone is grabbing for power around the world. Sheesh. So, your choices are to either understand and deal with these people.
Or post "The sky is falling" on Slashdot. I suppose the latter is easier.
"the tradition of fillibustering judicial nominations..."
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What tradition?
I've heard that they started doing it when they couldn't block the nominations by having the majority vote.
Also look up "Reed's Rules". http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/barnes20050
The House used to have filibuster. It doesn't anymore. What makes the Senate so special?
What's the point in having a majority if the minority can simply block any changes you want to make?
"Add to that the sheer hypocrisy of imposing measures on others (e.g. no trade tariffs, no agricultural subsidies, no profileration of WMD, etc) while openly refusing to impose same on yourselves.. Frankly, although I despise violence even more than imperialism, I think I understand why people would fight that tooth and nail."
Considering that the US gets dragged into many hot spots in the world, I would prefer that they're not armed with poison gases or nukes.
Other countries sniff at our hyprocracy, but frankly, put up or shut up. Most countries don't even give a damn as to what happens to the people in other countries.
Start spending huge amounts of blood and treasure in other places and then say "Sure! We think it's ok for you to have completely indiscriminate weapons of destruction in your unstable country."
And why can the US have them? Well, we sure don't get foriegn aid when we have a disaster, do we?
But I'm curious, if the next 9/11 is going to be the US's fault. Why is that, and how would the US have to change to not have it happen?
Mindless anything is bad. But considering the US is one of the oldest governments of the world, that Consitution is pretty impressive.
I don't remember being taught to love the Consitution. And after 3rd grade, we stopped with the allegiance.
Do you even know what brainwashing means?