Here is a link to an RIAA rant that is specifically about the lawsuits against the college students, but also sums up a lot of what has been said in this thread.
when sales are down in the auto industry, there is not talk of outlawing walking.
Why does the RIAA get special treatment/attention/laws passed in their favor? They KNOW what people want. People want:
Good songs
The abillity to pick and choose individual songs from a huge diverse catalog.
The abillity to listen to those songs on their chosen device.
The abillity to backup, create mix CD/tapes/8-f'intracks, and store/index their songs.
I'm sure there are a couple more, but that's what comes to mind. The RIAA KNOWS this. How can they not?
And yet there is no 'solution' in sight other than lawsuits. Sure, there are a few sorry tries - all held back by expense (1.50 song?) and value (oohh - 30 artists from the 70's!)
As a musician, when mp3s were first rearing their head, I recall thinking, "Wow. No more Rock 'n' Roll Stars." and being tripped out and scared by that thought, as that was what I had devoted myself too.
Now, I realize that there are still ways to make $$$ being a musician, it's just different.
The RIAA enjoys its stature as *the* place to go for music. Rather than compete with value, they have taken the low road with lawsuits and poor laws.
Sure, there are some issues with copying, but then again there always were. I used to get tapes from some 'records for a penny' club, copy them and send them back.
I don't anymore, but there isn't really anything worth copying. I buy vinyl at garage sales. Most music from the RIAA is rehashed from earlier times; I own the albums that influenced most of the good artists of today. I don't buy CDs (and haven't for 5-7 years), even though my wife works at a place where I can get many for 5 dollars. I don't have a giant mp3 collection. Perhaps one or two songs from 20 artists (give or take). I don't support the RIAA, with $$$ or otherwise,and since they aren't troubling with supporting an artist's career longterm, why should I be so worried about what happens to them? How many records from the Backstreet Boys will you see at garage sales or thrift stores in the next few years? Compare that to Beatles records.
Supporting the artists means sticking with them. You cared enough to sign them, where are you when the first record doesn't do as well as you hoped? Sure, it didn't go multi-platinum, but is that the artists' fault or yours?
Someone posted a great post right before me, lambasting the 'lowest common denominator' music and movies we as the lucky public are allowed to see. Read it after you're done rambling with me..;)
Buy the Jayhawks new record. (it's great) And make it your last.
Badfinger did 'Come and Get It'(by Paul) for the movie 'Magic Christian'. Their first album (Straight Up) has many songs on it that you probably have heard (Baby Blue, Day after Day) is an album in the sense that there are no filler songs;)
Badfinger was a classic band in their own right, and I highly recommend them. Most of their albums came out on Apple records, and are still in print (reissues) you might want to avoid 'Airwaves' as that is probably the weakest...
The turrets are not motorized, you have to manually turn them. They are fitted with a gear on the inside, which means that they *will* be motorized eventually.
Any/.ers care to take on the challenge?
"Knowledge is half the battle!" - GI JOE (he would have read the whole article, then gone off to kick Cobra Commander's ass...)
I think you're off base. T&A is more often a result of manufactured 'artists' INSYNC, Brittney and the like. Indie labels don't have tons of cash, and if they did, they wouldn't throw it at a 'shit' band, especially one that doesn't leave their home turf and tour around. There are no DJ's left (in major markets) and that is sewed up tight. I would be highly suspicious of the 'MTV Cribs' view of these newer bands, most are paying their label back for recording costs and the 'crib' is part of it. It takes a LOT of records to make a million $$$. I'm guessing that most who complain about label 'mistreatment' are/were steady providers of hits that tapered off - Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Backstreet Boys are a few I recall that complained about their label. Sheryl Crow was not a stripper, and also has to deal with the copycat 'artists' who sound like her.
If you want to read about a band that really got fucked, google Badfinger. Great band, saddest Behind the Music episode ever.
Take a look at any local CD store and she'll be there, and been doing it for years.
I heard they were going to make her Manager this year. Congratulations Ani! I think we're going to go to the employee party over at the Tap 'n' Grill...
He's foe happy. This system blows because you can't either leave a reason for your new 'friend' or 'foe' or one for yourself (to remember what it was for). I'm going to foe all my freaks and torture them. hahaha.;)
Why didn't they personalize it in some way so smart-ass kids like you;) couldn't mess with it? Even a Steven Hawking voice inserted like voice mail would have made it more difficult.
"We regret to inform you that your" *DAUGHTER**CINDY MCGILLICUTTY* "has been shown to be truant on" *TODAY* "Please call the school office for more information. This system is shut down after 7pm every evening. Thank you."
I'm sure you could have made Apple II SAM say something approaching it, but the tedious nature of custom calls would have stopped you in your tracks. Or are you saying you have too much time on your hands?
In that case, Mister, I want a seven page report on what the Founding Fathers would have thought of this war...
This whole thread is nothing more than a mindless, left-wing sponsored bash of President Bush, his administration, and Republicans in general. Not one argument has been presented on WHY the Patriot Act shouldn't be extended. You take this and other websites to push your agenda which this country DOES NOT agree with and HAS rejected time and time again.
Actually, I think there are more posts about how to get to the NYT article than 'bashing' Bush. I would venture to say if you asked the 'average joe' what he thought of the govenment's new abillity to put him in jail for an indefinite amount of time, he'd say, "WTF? What are you talking about?"
American will no longer allow those who consider themselves to be more intelligent than the average BLUE COLLAR citizen to sit back and badmouth us. The BLAME AMERICA FIRST camp is loosing steam. The average citizens are NOT tollerating these anti-American stances.
I happen to know that questioning the way the country is run is NOT anti-American. I love this country. I hate what is being done to it for the sake of this false sense of 'safety'.
You complained when we secured our country. We haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11. A testiment to how the system we have put in place WORKS. It has secured and will continue to safeguard this country and our people, while you whine, uninformed, about matters that effect all of us.
I think we had two terrorist attacks before the Patriot act was put in place. A testament to how well the *lack* of the Patriot act WORKS. The absence of 'attacks' proves nothing.
You are the same people who take to the streets to protest our war in Iraq. We have just freed a nation of people who were inslaved to a brutal, evil dictator. Would you care to tell the overjoyed, newly freed Iraqi citizens who are throwing roses at our troops that we have no business there?
I'd go and tell them but I don't want to get a bullet in the head from the Iraqi troops that *don't* want us there. Roses? You must be watching Fox News.
This nation is doing what is in the best interest for US, not the UN or the world. We have taken care of the world both economically and militarly since the 1940s, and now we have to band together and do what is necessary to make AMERICA secure for AMERICANS. And if you don't like it, SHUT THE HELL UP.
So my being 'quiet' will make the US a better place? It sounds like you'd rather live in a dictatorship than in the land of free speech. I think I'll keep speaking, and so can you! Isn't this country great? We can agree to disagree that you're intelligent.
But it is okay. While you post to the Internet and demand that the Government unsecure itself, I sit comfortable knowing that these laws and policies are preventing another 3,000 innocent CIVILIANS from being murdered. I sit comfortably knowing it's harder for someone to make L.A. into a gigantic radioactive mushroom cloud.
As most people who use Sept 11th to justify everything, you are dead wrong. These 'laws and policies' don't do anything to protect the US from terrorists. You might want to see how many terrorist meetings you can find in a library. Or be a good citizen, and turn in your fingernail clippers. L.A. could be 'attacked' tommorow, and there is nothing in the Patriot Act that would prevent it.
So I hope people like Slashdot reader continue their level of young, uninformed nonsense. It only helps strengthen my side's cause.
People like you are the source of 'nonsense'. We/. readers are at least aware of the stupid, ineffective laws that 'your side' are trying to pass, while sleepy America votes for their new "Idol".
If I ever meet you, I will kick your ass. Let's see your Patriot Act save you from a punch in the eye.
Slashdot Mirror
Did I really just hit submit?
Glad to help.
And how is it we have to go halfsies with Russia? We can't afford our own pencil?
It's up to 15000+ and growing.
You dirty lying /.ers - YOU ALL ARE RUNNING AOL!
I have to wash my hands. I might get AOL, or Windows disease from you...
Why don't I sleep?
I think you posted this in the wrong thread. ;)
Friday, June 29th 2001
into a wonderful place to review and discuss new and old music and artists that *do not* support the RIAA.
It seems that every /.er listens to music, and would welcome the chance to push their favorite band, song, or albums available on the net.
Besides, as a place that is (usually) current, shouldn't the sections reflect that? Perhaps /. could even get a kickback...(wink wink nudge nudge)
Who's with me?
Why does the RIAA get special treatment/attention/laws passed in their favor? They KNOW what people want. People want:
Good songs
The abillity to pick and choose individual songs from a huge diverse catalog.
The abillity to listen to those songs on their chosen device.
The abillity to backup, create mix CD/tapes/8-f'intracks, and store/index their songs.
I'm sure there are a couple more, but that's what comes to mind. The RIAA KNOWS this. How can they not?
And yet there is no 'solution' in sight other than lawsuits. Sure, there are a few sorry tries - all held back by expense (1.50 song?) and value (oohh - 30 artists from the 70's!)
As a musician, when mp3s were first rearing their head, I recall thinking, "Wow. No more Rock 'n' Roll Stars." and being tripped out and scared by that thought, as that was what I had devoted myself too.
Now, I realize that there are still ways to make $$$ being a musician, it's just different.
The RIAA enjoys its stature as *the* place to go for music. Rather than compete with value, they have taken the low road with lawsuits and poor laws.
Sure, there are some issues with copying, but then again there always were. I used to get tapes from some 'records for a penny' club, copy them and send them back.
I don't anymore, but there isn't really anything worth copying. I buy vinyl at garage sales. Most music from the RIAA is rehashed from earlier times; I own the albums that influenced most of the good artists of today. I don't buy CDs (and haven't for 5-7 years), even though my wife works at a place where I can get many for 5 dollars. I don't have a giant mp3 collection. Perhaps one or two songs from 20 artists (give or take). I don't support the RIAA, with $$$ or otherwise,and since they aren't troubling with supporting an artist's career longterm, why should I be so worried about what happens to them? How many records from the Backstreet Boys will you see at garage sales or thrift stores in the next few years? Compare that to Beatles records.
Supporting the artists means sticking with them. You cared enough to sign them, where are you when the first record doesn't do as well as you hoped? Sure, it didn't go multi-platinum, but is that the artists' fault or yours?
Someone posted a great post right before me, lambasting the 'lowest common denominator' music and movies we as the lucky public are allowed to see. Read it after you're done rambling with me.. ;)
Buy the Jayhawks new record. (it's great) And make it your last.
Badfinger was a classic band in their own right, and I highly recommend them. Most of their albums came out on Apple records, and are still in print (reissues) you might want to avoid 'Airwaves' as that is probably the weakest...
Any /.ers care to take on the challenge?
"Knowledge is half the battle!" - GI JOE (he would have read the whole article, then gone off to kick Cobra Commander's ass...)
Don't forget to throw rocks from hundreds of miles away!
If you want to read about a band that really got fucked, google Badfinger. Great band, saddest Behind the Music episode ever.
I heard they were going to make her Manager this year. Congratulations Ani! I think we're going to go to the employee party over at the Tap 'n' Grill...
He's foe happy. This system blows because you can't either leave a reason for your new 'friend' or 'foe' or one for yourself (to remember what it was for). I'm going to foe all my freaks and torture them. hahaha. ;)
I thought that *was* the episode!
And tape backups. Still no (cheap) tech to replace tape's abillity to backup huge amounts of data.
(Self awareness)
(Realization of self inflicted stupidity)
(Flash forward to cleaning toliets at McDonalds when 62)
(weeping, sniff)
O meh god, i wasted mi lif3......
"We regret to inform you that your" *DAUGHTER**CINDY MCGILLICUTTY* "has been shown to be truant on" *TODAY* "Please call the school office for more information. This system is shut down after 7pm every evening. Thank you."
I'm sure you could have made Apple II SAM say something approaching it, but the tedious nature of custom calls would have stopped you in your tracks. Or are you saying you have too much time on your hands?
In that case, Mister, I want a seven page report on what the Founding Fathers would have thought of this war...
There is discussion on Slashdot?? Where?? And why wasn't I told about this?
In porn, you'd like to see it. In the president's office, not really.
Actually, I think there are more posts about how to get to the NYT article than 'bashing' Bush. I would venture to say if you asked the 'average joe' what he thought of the govenment's new abillity to put him in jail for an indefinite amount of time, he'd say, "WTF? What are you talking about?"
American will no longer allow those who consider themselves to be more intelligent than the average BLUE COLLAR citizen to sit back and badmouth us. The BLAME AMERICA FIRST camp is loosing steam. The average citizens are NOT tollerating these anti-American stances.
I happen to know that questioning the way the country is run is NOT anti-American. I love this country. I hate what is being done to it for the sake of this false sense of 'safety'.
You complained when we secured our country. We haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11. A testiment to how the system we have put in place WORKS. It has secured and will continue to safeguard this country and our people, while you whine, uninformed, about matters that effect all of us.
I think we had two terrorist attacks before the Patriot act was put in place. A testament to how well the *lack* of the Patriot act WORKS. The absence of 'attacks' proves nothing.
You are the same people who take to the streets to protest our war in Iraq. We have just freed a nation of people who were inslaved to a brutal, evil dictator. Would you care to tell the overjoyed, newly freed Iraqi citizens who are throwing roses at our troops that we have no business there?
I'd go and tell them but I don't want to get a bullet in the head from the Iraqi troops that *don't* want us there. Roses? You must be watching Fox News.
This nation is doing what is in the best interest for US, not the UN or the world. We have taken care of the world both economically and militarly since the 1940s, and now we have to band together and do what is necessary to make AMERICA secure for AMERICANS. And if you don't like it, SHUT THE HELL UP.
So my being 'quiet' will make the US a better place? It sounds like you'd rather live in a dictatorship than in the land of free speech. I think I'll keep speaking, and so can you! Isn't this country great? We can agree to disagree that you're intelligent.
But it is okay. While you post to the Internet and demand that the Government unsecure itself, I sit comfortable knowing that these laws and policies are preventing another 3,000 innocent CIVILIANS from being murdered. I sit comfortably knowing it's harder for someone to make L.A. into a gigantic radioactive mushroom cloud.
As most people who use Sept 11th to justify everything, you are dead wrong. These 'laws and policies' don't do anything to protect the US from terrorists. You might want to see how many terrorist meetings you can find in a library. Or be a good citizen, and turn in your fingernail clippers. L.A. could be 'attacked' tommorow, and there is nothing in the Patriot Act that would prevent it.
So I hope people like Slashdot reader continue their level of young, uninformed nonsense. It only helps strengthen my side's cause.
People like you are the source of 'nonsense'. We /. readers are at least aware of the stupid, ineffective laws that 'your side' are trying to pass, while sleepy America votes for their new "Idol".
If I ever meet you, I will kick your ass. Let's see your Patriot Act save you from a punch in the eye.
Thanks.
Make us $$$! Sue some bitches!
Why do we need the DMCA again? Oh yes, to assert our God Given Right to own ideas forever.
They're going to put them in your eye!
Only a scurvy dog would run the likes of this barnacle cover OS, yar.