I really, really don't understand how we, as a culture, arrived at the idea that we should expect our kids to "just ignore them", or "talk it out" with a bully. That has never, and will never solve anything.
I've got to disagree. While I've had a similar experience to yours, it was valuable for me to go through all courses of action available to me before I had to resort to violence. It was a great lesson to me about what my limits were, when I had to take matters into my own hands, and when I could trust others.
If you counsel kids to just skip to violence, they'll never learn anything, the bullies will be able to justify their actions, and there will be a lot more violence.
You might, but you'd sound just like management at my company when they accuse IS of "delaying" because we want _gasp_ 4 months design time on a project.
Ooooo, now you're getting nasty.:)
I may sound like management, but they are right sometimes. And sometimes the IT department is incompetant. This is usually shown when they don't address valid concerns about their proposed designs, saying "It's none of your business" or "you don't know what you're talking about." Sound familiar?
And, might I add that not only have the systems been improperly designed, as you describe, but they're being used anyway. Do you approve of this? Should the machines continue to be used during the redesign?
The main point of the post was to say that paper-trails are not the only issue, and that what is needed is a complete re-design of the system(s) taking everything into consideration.
Yes, but while the complete re-design is in progress we can easily institute the minimal safeguards necessary to make the voting process auditable. There is no excuse...NONE...for failing to do that.
And might I add that saying the problem needs "further study" or is too large for immediate action is a typical delaying tactic. In this case it is not even remotely plausible.
I'd guess that it has more to do with them not understanding the proposed measures than not wanting to achieve this goal.
How hard is it to understand a paper audit trail? The simplest, and most resisted, security feature is to have the voting machines print out their results so there can be a paper audit trail.
If someone doesn't understand that, they should not be in the business of making electronic voting machines.
And before you come down too hard on Bush, it's the Dems who are benefiting here...In the end, it all comes down to poor design.
Your last paragraph does not, in any way, support that argument. You're basically saying that, because the machines are badly designed, the Democrats benefit? How is that?
The ones who benefit are those who can manipulate the machines to produce their desired outcomes. At the moment, that's the owners, who are all Republican if you hadn't noticed.
In the best system, only the voters manipulate the outcome...when they voted...
I attack instead the basic premise, that there is a shortage of energy, or that we must accept lower standard of life or lower capability in our machinery.
Then you are attacking a straw man, at least with respect to the article. A reversible chip would be no less capable. In fact, in the long run, it would be more capable. Less energy heat dissapated means we can continue to use the same materials far into the future with faster and faster chips. As it stands silicon will become ununsable once the heat dissapation reaches the melting point of silicon. (Far sooner, actually.)
Now, I'd love to see chips made from artificial diamond, but I think reversible chips will come sooner.
Human beings did not evolve to subsist on protein.
Supply proof for that statement, please.
Atkins, like many other tweaks, will sooner or later be found to cause health problems, and drop from favor.
Really? Do you also know where the Dow will close tomorrow?
The Atkins Diet not what Mother Nature intended
Really? Do you chat with her regularly? Are you also on a first name basis with Jesus?
What I would like to see is a more in depth analysis - by individual - of how different bodies matabolize different foods, or combinations of foods.
Really? Seems to me that you're much more inclined to judge before you have any evidence.
Sure, Atkins will work very well for some small number of people over a long period of time.
Really? How do you know that this percentage is small? Have you seen some studies on this? Oh, that's right, you just said that such studies don't exist.
For you, I prescribe a diet of empirical and logical thought, to be implemented for at least one year. That might cure you of your overweight head.
...I started on a low-carb two days before the Salon article was published. Results so far: 5 pounds in one week.
I've lost 80 pounds before on similar, not so drastic diets. (Similar to the Zone.) I gained 60 back, though. I just couldn't sustain the weight loss when I had no time to exercize.
It seems that, on any other nutrition scheme, unless I exercize hard for at least an hour per day, I gain weight. I haven't had much time to test it, but it seems that so far on a low-carb diet that is not the case.
OK, I'll bite. What are the versions and why do they distribute different ones? Do you have some specific facts here, or are you all smoke and no fire?
Of course, this comes after the fact. So maybe you could argue Windows has been re-architectured since the legal trouble, but I doubt anyone with a knowledge of complicated software engineering and familiarity with Microsoft's code bases could say that under oath.
Hey, if Bush and company can say that they have no idea how the public could link Saddam Hussein and 9/11, anything's possible!
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OOP will lead to more robust, easier to maintain and higher quality software
It did.
But downtown Philly is riddled with abandoned houses with no locks on the doors but they never get broken into.
:)
I guess you haven't gotten your crack fix recently.
And, if they have no locks, how do you know there are no breakins?
By bragging about how secure it is, we just may be attracting the type of attack that is more sophisticated then the script kiddies attacking Windows.
As our president is so fond of saying, "Bring 'em on!"
Do they say how we're going to power all this new technology...
Nope. But, try this.
But if you run Windows drivers and Windows programs via appropriate emulation layers, why not simply run Windows?
Uh, because if I run Linux I can then run, like, anything else. Duh.
Beware the kneejerk skeptic. :)
I really, really don't understand how we, as a culture, arrived at the idea that we should expect our kids to "just ignore them", or "talk it out" with a bully. That has never, and will never solve anything.
I've got to disagree. While I've had a similar experience to yours, it was valuable for me to go through all courses of action available to me before I had to resort to violence. It was a great lesson to me about what my limits were, when I had to take matters into my own hands, and when I could trust others.
If you counsel kids to just skip to violence, they'll never learn anything, the bullies will be able to justify their actions, and there will be a lot more violence.
How about a Mini Cooper / Unicycle hybrid?
OK
You might, but you'd sound just like management at my company when they accuse IS of "delaying" because we want _gasp_ 4 months design time on a project.
:)
Ooooo, now you're getting nasty.
I may sound like management, but they are right sometimes. And sometimes the IT department is incompetant. This is usually shown when they don't address valid concerns about their proposed designs, saying "It's none of your business" or "you don't know what you're talking about." Sound familiar?
And, might I add that not only have the systems been improperly designed, as you describe, but they're being used anyway. Do you approve of this? Should the machines continue to be used during the redesign?
The main point of the post was to say that paper-trails are not the only issue, and that what is needed is a complete re-design of the system(s) taking everything into consideration.
Yes, but while the complete re-design is in progress we can easily institute the minimal safeguards necessary to make the voting process auditable. There is no excuse...NONE...for failing to do that.
And might I add that saying the problem needs "further study" or is too large for immediate action is a typical delaying tactic. In this case it is not even remotely plausible.
As a result, a lot of hardware would have to be replaced
Exactly what hardware would have to be replaced? Last I checked, Linux ran on more platforms than windows. (A superset, in fact...)
I'd guess that it has more to do with them not understanding the proposed measures than not wanting to achieve this goal.
How hard is it to understand a paper audit trail? The simplest, and most resisted, security feature is to have the voting machines print out their results so there can be a paper audit trail.
If someone doesn't understand that, they should not be in the business of making electronic voting machines.
And before you come down too hard on Bush, it's the Dems who are benefiting here...In the end, it all comes down to poor design.
Your last paragraph does not, in any way, support that argument. You're basically saying that, because the machines are badly designed, the Democrats benefit? How is that?
The ones who benefit are those who can manipulate the machines to produce their desired outcomes. At the moment, that's the owners, who are all Republican if you hadn't noticed.
In the best system, only the voters manipulate the outcome...when they voted...
I think just about everyone will agree with you that our elections are too important to not guard.
Apparently, though, many Republicans and the makers of these machines do not agree. They resist the simple, proposed safety measures.
Can you say why that is?
Bad code on a voting machine = potential to steal the election, but until you have proof please keep your fingerpointing to yourself.
We didn't need proof to attack that great threat to American democracy, Saddam Hussein.
We need even less proof of bad code to mandate a paper trail for voting machines, and other basic security precautions.
I attack instead the basic premise, that there is a shortage of energy, or that we must accept lower standard of life or lower capability in our machinery.
Then you are attacking a straw man, at least with respect to the article. A reversible chip would be no less capable. In fact, in the long run, it would be more capable. Less energy heat dissapated means we can continue to use the same materials far into the future with faster and faster chips. As it stands silicon will become ununsable once the heat dissapation reaches the melting point of silicon. (Far sooner, actually.)
Now, I'd love to see chips made from artificial diamond, but I think reversible chips will come sooner.
Human beings did not evolve to subsist on protein.
Supply proof for that statement, please.
Atkins, like many other tweaks, will sooner or later be found to cause health problems, and drop from favor.
Really? Do you also know where the Dow will close tomorrow?
The Atkins Diet not what Mother Nature intended
Really? Do you chat with her regularly? Are you also on a first name basis with Jesus?
What I would like to see is a more in depth analysis - by individual - of how different bodies matabolize different foods, or combinations of foods.
Really? Seems to me that you're much more inclined to judge before you have any evidence.
Sure, Atkins will work very well for some small number of people over a long period of time.
Really? How do you know that this percentage is small? Have you seen some studies on this? Oh, that's right, you just said that such studies don't exist.
For you, I prescribe a diet of empirical and logical thought, to be implemented for at least one year. That might cure you of your overweight head.
...I started on a low-carb two days before the Salon article was published. Results so far: 5 pounds in one week.
I've lost 80 pounds before on similar, not so drastic diets. (Similar to the Zone.) I gained 60 back, though. I just couldn't sustain the weight loss when I had no time to exercize.
It seems that, on any other nutrition scheme, unless I exercize hard for at least an hour per day, I gain weight. I haven't had much time to test it, but it seems that so far on a low-carb diet that is not the case.
Oracle ships with three different JVMs
OK, I'll bite. What are the versions and why do they distribute different ones? Do you have some specific facts here, or are you all smoke and no fire?
Sure they can. They've provided work for a lifetime for thousands of people.
Should their wealth be taken back if they outsource that work away?
Of course, this comes after the fact. So maybe you could argue Windows has been re-architectured since the legal trouble, but I doubt anyone with a knowledge of complicated software engineering and familiarity with Microsoft's code bases could say that under oath.
Hey, if Bush and company can say that they have no idea how the public could link Saddam Hussein and 9/11, anything's possible!
...for pr0n.
From the article:
Unlike the older Treo, this new model can be operated most of the time with just one hand.
I want to see some FlexATX boards with honest-to-god processing power in these boxes.
Intel Pentium M processor running at 1600+ MHz with a mini-itx form factor, courtesy of mini-itx.com
Well, I thought it was funny.
:P
So did I. Doesn't mean I can't bitch slap ye, though.
Wow. Blame Java. Is that like "Blame Canada"?
has /. been infiltrated by PHBs at last?
Only if by "PHB" you mean "architect and lead developer" and by "infiltrate" you mean "start reading in 1998."