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  1. Re:possible hoax? on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 1
    Doesn't look like the same payload as descibed in above posts.

    That's because it's not Phatbot. The Gaobot.RF is Agobot. Phatbot is based on the Agobot code but has additional features and uses P2P instead of IRC.

    -Joe

  2. Re:Mirror on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Gnutella cache servers for Phatbot are:

    http://www.d.umn.edu/~shar0213/gcache.php
    http: //tv2knet.basm.be/gcache.php
    http://gwebcache.h45 h.com/gwcii.php
    http://gwc.gwc.niet.net/gwc/gcach e.cgi
    http://www.rodage.net/gnetcache/gcache.php
    http://www.blackfedora.com/gcache/perlgcache.cgi
    http://g2wc.markushenn.de/gwcii.php
    http://www.c ommontology.de/andreas/gwebcache/gcach e.php
    http://www.edazzle.net/gerry/gerry2.asp
    ht tp://bobsmith.kicks-ass.org/gwebcache/gcache.php
    http://www.xolox.nl/gwebcache/default.asp
    http: //mikama.host.sk/gcache.php

    Look for hosts using port 4387, pretending to be GNUT clients.

    -Joe

  3. Re:Nullsoft Waste code used? Open source scariness on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 1
    Note that only a VERY small portion of the code is based on open-source software.

    Actually, most of the code *is* GPL. It is mainly composed of Agobot, ftplib and WASTE. All three are GNU GPL licensed. The only source not available is the mods made by the Phatbot developers.

    -Joe

  4. Re:Suspicious... on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 1
    Sorry, it's not a "phake".

    http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/agobot_fo.shtml


    NAME: Agobot.FO
    ALIAS: Backdoor.Agobot.fo, W32.HLLW.Gaobot, Gaobot, Win32/Gaobot
    ALIAS: Phatbot, Phat

    There's no need to make this stuff up - there is already more malware out there than is being analyzed. I often find trojans that are undetected by AV but were compiled 2 or 3 months before.

    -Joe

  5. Re:Suspicious... on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some AV companies consider this a variant of Agobot/Gaobot, since it shares a lot of the same code base. Which is funny, because when I analyzed Doomjuice and called it "MyDoom.C", they all said it was too different to be called a MyDoom variant (even though it was the same code with functionality removed).

    I consider the addition of the WASTE code and removal of the IRC code to be significant enough to call this by a new name. Not to mention all the other added features that are not part of the Agobot code.

    -Joe

  6. Mirror on PhatBot Trojan Spreading Rapidly On Windows PCs · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here's a mirror of my analysis:

    http://www.joestewart.org/phatbot.html

    -Joe

  7. Re:DoomNet... on New Worms Feed on MyDoom Infections · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the past two days, my honeypot listening on port 3127 has captured 56 copies of Doomjuice.A, 10 copies of Doomjuice.B and 1 copy of Mitglieder. It's really not a lot if you think about how big the Mydoom.A outbreak appeared to be. Here's an extra credit math problem - take those numbers and the time it takes to scan a subnet and get a rough estimate of infected machines. Each Doomjuice-infected system starts 64 threads, each one picks a class C at random and attempts to connect to hosts 1-254 in sequence (the 127.x.x.x class A subnet is the only one skipped)

  8. Re:DoomNet... on New Worms Feed on MyDoom Infections · · Score: 1
    Now, if only there was a MyDoom uninstaller worm that didn't have another distructive payload...


    There is now- it's called DoomHunter.A.

  9. Re:DoomNet... on New Worms Feed on MyDoom Infections · · Score: 2, Informative
    Vesser was discovered before Doomjuice, but if you look at the PE timestamp header, you see that Deadhat/Vesser was compiled on Tue Feb 4 06:23:59 2003, while Doomjuice was compiled on Tue Jan 27 06:22:58 2004. While the PE timestamp field can be easily edited, these dates are probably accurate in my opinion. So, Doomjuice can't be considered a copycat of Vesser.

    My writeup of Doomjuice: http://www.lurhq.com/mydoom-c.html

  10. Re:Not really MyDoom.C on MyDoom.C Making Its Way Across The Net · · Score: 1
    Regardless of how many functions changed, it is a variant in the sense that it came from the same source tree, as opposed to DeadHat, which is from completely separate source, yet similar in spreading functionality.

    The name MyDoom.C came from me, since I was the first to post an analysis of it at http://www.lurhq.com/mydoom-c.html

    The AV companies decided to rename it because it isn't a variant by their strict definition. Apparently in the AV world, a variant doesn't even have to be by the same author, as long as it is very similar.

    --
    Joe Stewart, GCIH
    Senior Security Researcher
    LURHQ http://www.lurhq.com/

  11. Re:Firewall them! on Schools to Avoid: University of Florida · · Score: 2, Informative
    Firewall denies their check, they consider that a failure, the switch in the closet it told to forget about the port to which your wire is connected to, you're off the network, buh-bye.

    iptables -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset

    Icarus sees port as being closed instead of filtered. Problem solved.

  12. Re:Instructions to cure worm. on The Origin Of Sobig (And Its Next Phase) · · Score: 1
    Actually the worm included its own NTP client which it would use to verify the date by querying NTP servers on the Internet.

    Actually only the download function was synchronized using NTP. The function to determine "expiration" is based off of the machine's localtime. However, setting the clock forward wouldn't remove the worm, it would just cause it to exit. It would be back after the system time was set back and a reboot occured.

  13. Re:hmm on Microsoft Virus Spam: SoBig.F · · Score: 1
    I'm interested to see if is updated to include info on -f. the -e article was a good eye-opener.

    Thanks.

    Before I update the paper I'm waiting to see if there are any substantial changes in the second and third stages - these won't be known for a couple of days probably, depending on the worm author's schedule, but it could be as early as tonight. So far though, the functionality is almost the same as described in the Sobig.e paper.

  14. Re:FUD on NYT Reports Porn Spam Hijacking Network · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's not FUD. You have to realize the concept of a reverse-proxy is not something most NY Times readers are going to understand, so those details get left out a lot. But this really is what's happening. More technical details are here:

    http://www.lurhq.com/migmaf.html

    Also search Google Groups for "onlycoredomains.com"

  15. Re:What's new about this? on NYT Reports Porn Spam Hijacking Network · · Score: 1

    It's not just another open proxy story. This trojan also has a reverse HTTP proxy, which means the trojaned machines appear to be hosting the porn site. The DNS for the porn site cycles through all the trojaned machines minute-by-minute.

  16. Technical details on NYT Reports Porn Spam Hijacking Network · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a technical writeup here:
    http://www.lurhq.com/migmaf.html
    Mirror: http://www.joestewart.org/migmaf.html

  17. Ollydbg on Learning Reverse Engineering · · Score: 4, Informative
    Hadn't seen this mentioned in the book or in any comments so far: If you are wanting to get started reverse-engineering on Windows, you don't need to shell out big bucks (or pirate) softice unless you plan to do hard-core driver/kernel debugging. Seriously, check out Ollydbg It's freeware AND it kicks ass. I'm using it to do almost all my reverse engineering now.

    Here are a couple of beginner-level articles I've written on reverse-engineering malicious code:

    Reverse Engineering Hostile Code

    Alien Autopsy: Reverse Engineering Win32 Trojans on Linux

  18. Re:This would be SO easy to correct... on W32.Sobig.E@mm Worm Spreading Rapidly · · Score: 3, Insightful
    > JUST RUN A DAMN VIRUS SCANNER ON THE FREAKING EMAIL SERVER!

    It's a big part of the solution, but it will not stop certain viruses. For sobig, there is a high possibility that the initial "seeding" of the virus is done by spamming it out to hundreds of thousands of users. This is very likely because it is suspected that a spammer is behind the spread of sobig.

    This would infect a great number of people before AV vendors have a chance to push out signatures. The only way it could be thwarted is by heuristic scanning, which can never be 100% effective. (But can be quite good - messagelabs is catching these before signatures are available)

    Just this week there was a phony "apply this critical patch" mass-spammed to countless users, with the URL "windows-update.com" (as opposed to the genuine windowsupdate.com). This fooled a lot of people into clicking through to the site, where they were immediately exploited if they were using IE without the June 4 hotfix. At this point they became part of an IRC trojan botnet. Even heuristic email virus scans would not have caught this.

  19. Re:A (very) nice virus again on W32.Sobig.E@mm Worm Spreading Rapidly · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a payload, but it is not immediately obvious. Like every sobig variant, its job is to download a second stage trojan. Check out the whole story of what sobig.a (and likely all the rest) are supposed to do after infecting you: http://www.lurhq.com/sobig.html

  20. Re:It is a theory - and I don't have proof (SCO?) on What's Behind The Odd Data? · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it is mapping, it's doing a very poor job of it. What many analysts have seen (including myself) is that once it sends a packet to a particular IP address, it will repeat that packet over and over again. 81% of the "odd" traffic I am seeing on a particular class C is the same spoofed source to the same non-existent host on the class C, from the same source port to the same destination port. Over 900 packets since May 18, with that same signature. I don't think it's a mapper.

  21. Re:Articles dont know... on What's Behind The Odd Data? · · Score: 1

    The windows-based code is _not_ the trojan that Intrusec and ISS analyzed. It was a IRC bot that I analyzed and sent to the AV companies, pointing out that it also used a window size of 55808 when synflooding victims, so you couldn't just take seeing that size option as evidence that you were seeing the "odd" traffic; the packet-building code could have been re-used elsewhere for other purposes as well.

  22. Re:I'm glad this story got posted on What's Behind The Odd Data? · · Score: 1
    This new "odd data" is mimicing the attack parameters of the previous bugbear variant, because it's appearing to target more banks and government institutions rather than random internet addresses

    I don't know where you got that from, but it's not true. We are seeing this to and from random internet addresses.

    this is why the lack of detail in the published articles, it's a serious national security thing.

    The lack of detail is due to the fact the traffic itself has no clear purpose, but some security companies have tried to speculate that it is a trojan/distributed portscanner, even though the traffic pattern doesn't fit. "Third-gen trojan" sounds much more newsworthy than "We're seeing some weird nonsense-type traffic and don't know what it is".

    If things weren't already confusing enough, someone wrote a copycat trojan to simulate aspects of the traffic. However, they didn't quite get it right. Hopefully this was someone's idea of a joke; not a security company trying to produce some "evidence".

    On top of it all, the nature of TCP/IP escapes most journalists, which muddies the issue even further.

  23. Re:Idle Scan on What's Behind The Odd Data? · · Score: 1
    Idle scanning doesn't require a valid source IP address.

    Yes, it does. It merely hides your true IP address from the system you are attacking by utilizing a "idle host" as a man-in-the-middle. You find out what ports are open by counting the sequence of IP ID numbers on the idle host. The traffic your between the idle host and your target will have valid and routable source and destination IP addresses.

  24. Game Maker on The Little Coder's Predicament · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There is an excellent freeware program for Windows called Game Maker which allows you to create simple to sophisticated 2-D arcade/rpg style games through a drag-and-drop interface. My 9 year old enjoys creating the games this way, but the beauty is in the built-in scripting language. When he can't accomplish what he wants using drag-and-drop, I teach him how to insert a snippet of code into the game objects to get the results he wants. Little by little, he learns to program this way.

    Game Maker URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/markov/gmaker/

  25. Re:It's not a "new star" on New Star in the Neighborhood · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not that I posted this story two hours before, only to have it rejected... *sigh*

    There's often a delay of a few hours between a submission's approval and its posting, so you probably were just not the first submission. I posted a story and had it almost immediately rejected, then saw the same story posted the next day. Turns out the submitter had sent it in an hour and a half ahead of me, but it wasn't posted for 18 hours. So don't be too bummed out about it.