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What does not having the ability to simply use a work vs being able to license it have to do with the price of coffee at Starbucks?
Why must something be public domain?
What difference does it make?
Why do we have to listen to this discussion ad infinitum
-- Steps down -- This means that *NOTHING* created by artists, musicians, or *ANY* of
the culture created today will move into the public domain in your lifetime
(expected lifetime) unless the people or companies who control the rights let
you have access to it through licensing or sales.
I doubt that google is completely free of government contracts but they are likely to be simple search or e-mail type contracts. It is irrelevant who you do business with you still have the right to speak.
Their right under free speech. Fox news by dint of their media position has great influence over politics. So Flickr can't? However you aren't the person that get's to decide if it's right or wrong, the founding fathers already did that.
So flickr because it does business with the government not unlike Fox who happily runs commercials and hosts pundits who praise the party of choice while disparaging all others doesn't have the same rights as any other corporation?
I agree the image was disgusting. It would still be disgusting even if it were Bush. But that's my opinion. Something that Flickr is allowed to express as well.
Who said they cited copyright laws to take it down. They just took it down. Probably covering their ass in any case. Since Fair Use is only a positive defense against a law suit there is no actual "Fair Use" in the law so even if they did cite copyright concerns they have that right as not wanting to defend themselves against said law suit.
So what you are saying is that Flickr is exercising their right to support their political party of choice throught he media that they own. Kind of like the opposite of Fox right.
Ignorance is thinking you know everything. Wisdom is knowing you don't... but I may be wrong.
I know this is a faux pas but I couldn't resist:
So that means the "Suspecting you may be wrong means the you are a wise ass"
There had to say it, sorry off topic but hell this thing has been Godwinned anyway so what the heck!.
Hardly worth the effort to reply but "What?" I don't think any of those words mean what you think they do.
In what way were the corporate convictions against MS "so-called"? They were, I assure you, quite real. Remember that a corporation can be convicted of a crime and no one go to jail. However fines are a very real sanction against a criminal corporation.
A political stunt no, not even close. MS was convicted of illegal restraint of trade and mis-use of a monopoly. Don't believe me look it up. I may not have the exact statutes that they violated but violate them they did. There is nothing "so-called" about them.
The university (USC) has two National Science Foundation ( NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. The Department of Homeland Security selected USC as its first Homeland Security Center of Excellence. Since 1991, USC has been the headquarters of the NSF and USGS funded Southern California Earthquake Center.
1). The university (USC) has two National Science Foundation ( NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. The Department of Homeland Security selected USC as its first Homeland Security Center of Excellence. Since 1991, USC has been the headquarters of the NSF and USGS funded Southern California Earthquake Center.
2). "If we put effort into training foreign students" -- we should be able to find them work in the country from which they came.
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While it is a private research school, also USC is home to two National Science Foundation (NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. So they are taking government money in at least two High tech areas.
And what needs would those be?
The need to believe that your aren't a spec of dust on a tiny insignificant rock in a meaningless sea of matter made out of the dying energy of some ancient Big Bang. You are simply a spec of organized carbon/nitrogen on a tiny insignificant rock. Who put you there or why are irrelevant.
Or the need the believe the love you feel carries weight similar to the emotional turmoil you might feel inside at a loved ones passing.
Bullshite
Because we really live for such a short time and we'll probably never get to experience a single thing again.
This much is certain
You, like every other sane person either shut it out or sublimate it and if you do the latter you've probably found some form of religion.
Sorry to disappoint you but no not really. And no no religion here. Staunch self determination and accepting responsibility for my actions
I may have overstated my position by saying the no good has come of religion. It did make rules designed to keep a society alive in a desert environment.
Everything after those rules were about power over your fellow man. Religion is politics with a guilt kicker. A huge club to hold over everyone's head.
The Christians invented the devil and hell to make things a bit more grim and because it is hard to hold someone when you can only look forward to oblivion until the messiah shows up. After their messiah showed up they needed a bigger club.
Of course this only speaks to the judeo-christian religions. The Budhists have a completely different tack and are more driven by internal power than external they seek more to rule themselves than others. The Hindus on the other hand have quite a bit of violence and contradiction in their pantheon but the same type of thing they seek power over themselves and others through the auspices of gods. Shinto I don't really know enough about to speak to. The separation between a philosophy and religion blurs in others. So some religions have produced a bit of good but the judeo-christians have quite a lot of pain, death and terror to answer for before their good can be counted.
As to morals, a good philosophy can account for those and a certain amount of civil contract can be added to the mix and you can have a completely non-religious society with quite good morals. One man's morals are another's trash anyway. Hammurabi had quite a good code that was not really based on religion, in fact it was so good that we still use a good bit of it today in both US and British common law.
Nearly pure carbon and calcium are probably not something that your immune system worries about. Since neither are really bio-active. There is a game in which units of wood can be traded for units of sheep. This leads to the cry during the trading part of the game "Wood for Sheep!" This gives that a whole new meaning and one we can't snicker at any more.
Actually I tinker out of some kind of bored interest. My need seemed to be that I wanted something to tinker with when I got bored. I stop whenever I feel like it. I use and make the software. You obviously don't know that much about what motivates OSS programmers.
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What does not having the ability to simply use a work vs being able to license it have to do with the price of coffee at Starbucks?
Why must something be public domain?
What difference does it make?
Why do we have to listen to this discussion ad infinitum
-- Steps down --
This means that *NOTHING* created by artists, musicians, or *ANY* of
the culture created today will move into the public domain in your lifetime
(expected lifetime) unless the people or companies who control the rights let
you have access to it through licensing or sales.
Why exactly is this a problem?
The same as it always has, but it is so frequently interpreted incorrectly (as you have here) that I doubt most Americans actually know what it means.
I doubt that google is completely free of government contracts but they are likely to be simple search or e-mail type contracts. It is irrelevant who you do business with you still have the right to speak.
Their right under free speech. Fox news by dint of their media position has great influence over politics. So Flickr can't? However you aren't the person that get's to decide if it's right or wrong, the founding fathers already did that.
So flickr because it does business with the government not unlike Fox who happily runs commercials and hosts pundits who praise the party of choice while disparaging all others doesn't have the same rights as any other corporation?
No it has everything to do with freedom of speech. Flickr has the right NOT to say things and so they preserve their freedom of speech..
I agree the image was disgusting. It would still be disgusting even if it were Bush. But that's my opinion. Something that Flickr is allowed to express as well.
Who said they cited copyright laws to take it down. They just took it down. Probably covering their ass in any case. Since Fair Use is only a positive defense against a law suit there is no actual "Fair Use" in the law so even if they did cite copyright concerns they have that right as not wanting to defend themselves against said law suit.
So what you are saying is that Flickr is exercising their right to support their political party of choice throught he media that they own. Kind of like the opposite of Fox right.
Ignorance is thinking you know everything. Wisdom is knowing you don't... but I may be wrong.
I know this is a faux pas but I couldn't resist:
So that means the "Suspecting you may be wrong means the you are a wise ass"
There had to say it, sorry off topic but hell this thing has been Godwinned anyway so what the heck!.
Oh yeah sort of like a less nasty Karl Rove!
My god I've forgotten what Himmler looked like!
Who pray tell is Tory Bliar?
No no no, wrong mustache. My god the kids have forgotten what Hitler looks like...
Hardly worth the effort to reply but "What?" I don't think any of those words mean what you think they do.
In what way were the corporate convictions against MS "so-called"? They were, I assure you, quite real. Remember that a corporation can be convicted of a crime and no one go to jail. However fines are a very real sanction against a criminal corporation.
A political stunt no, not even close. MS was convicted of illegal restraint of trade and mis-use of a monopoly. Don't believe me look it up. I may not have the exact statutes that they violated but violate them they did. There is nothing "so-called" about them.
A few billion of MS's profits. Well they went somewhere, just not to M$. And whether MS fanboys want to admit it or not what MS did is criminal.
My tax money is paying to educate people one way or the other. What's the diff?
The university (USC) has two National Science Foundation ( NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. The Department of Homeland Security selected USC as its first Homeland Security Center of Excellence. Since 1991, USC has been the headquarters of the NSF and USGS funded Southern California Earthquake Center.
Information obtained from "Wikipedia"
1). The university (USC) has two National Science Foundation ( NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. The Department of Homeland Security selected USC as its first Homeland Security Center of Excellence. Since 1991, USC has been the headquarters of the NSF and USGS funded Southern California Earthquake Center.
2). "If we put effort into training foreign students" -- we should be able to find them work in the country from which they came.
Information for this post obtained from "Wikipedia"
While it is a private research school, also USC is home to two National Science Foundation (NSF is an independent US government agency responsible for promoting science and engineering through research programs and education) funded Engineering Research Centers: the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. So they are taking government money in at least two High tech areas.
We need universal health care, but it has to be paid for. Lets levy a tax on outsourced labor that we can use to pay for health care.
And what needs would those be?
The need to believe that your aren't a spec of dust on a tiny insignificant rock in a meaningless sea of matter made out of the dying energy of some ancient Big Bang.
You are simply a spec of organized carbon/nitrogen on a tiny insignificant rock. Who put you there or why are irrelevant.
Or the need the believe the love you feel carries weight similar to the emotional turmoil you might feel inside at a loved ones passing.
Bullshite
Because we really live for such a short time and we'll probably never get to experience a single thing again.
This much is certain
You, like every other sane person either shut it out or sublimate it and if you do the latter you've probably found some form of religion.
Sorry to disappoint you but no not really. And no no religion here. Staunch self determination and accepting responsibility for my actions
I may have overstated my position by saying the no good has come of religion. It did make rules designed to keep a society alive in a desert environment.
Everything after those rules were about power over your fellow man. Religion is politics with a guilt kicker. A huge club to hold over everyone's head.
The Christians invented the devil and hell to make things a bit more grim and because it is hard to hold someone when you can only look forward to oblivion until the messiah shows up. After their messiah showed up they needed a bigger club.
Of course this only speaks to the judeo-christian religions. The Budhists have a completely different tack and are more driven by internal power than external they seek more to rule themselves than others. The Hindus on the other hand have quite a bit of violence and contradiction in their pantheon but the same type of thing they seek power over themselves and others through the auspices of gods. Shinto I don't really know enough about to speak to. The separation between a philosophy and religion blurs in others. So some religions have produced a bit of good but the judeo-christians have quite a lot of pain, death and terror to answer for before their good can be counted.
As to morals, a good philosophy can account for those and a certain amount of civil contract can be added to the mix and you can have a completely non-religious society with quite good morals. One man's morals are another's trash anyway. Hammurabi had quite a good code that was not really based on religion, in fact it was so good that we still use a good bit of it today in both US and British common law.
Nearly pure carbon and calcium are probably not something that your immune system worries about. Since neither are really bio-active. There is a game in which units of wood can be traded for units of sheep. This leads to the cry during the trading part of the game "Wood for Sheep!" This gives that a whole new meaning and one we can't snicker at any more.
Actually I tinker out of some kind of bored interest. My need seemed to be that I wanted something to tinker with when I got bored. I stop whenever I feel like it. I use and make the software. You obviously don't know that much about what motivates OSS programmers.
I find that death threats still work as a motivator. But they have to be very credible.