That's very cool.
Thanks for getting the word out.
Any mods out ther might want to give this one a bump as it's useful info that I hadn't heard until today. I imagine there are a lot of other Gentoo users in the same boat.
The most unfortunate thing about gentoo is that the machines that need its help the most - K6s and other stepchild CPUs - are the ones that take the longest to build the system, but that's reality.
*Perhaps* this is because *that's the deal* that *your band* *agreed to* when *you* *signed* the *contract*. It's *the price* for a *chance* at *major label* fame and *fortune*!
Or perhaps it's the tithe you have to pay to a bunch of goons who have monopolized US music distribution?
Somebody would be an idiot for signing a contract like that IN A FREE MARKET, but we have no such thing. Hell, an independent band even has to pay an RIAA tax on the the blank media they use to record.
The problem isn't this guy, it's that a criminal organization has managed to buy off politicians to the point where they even make money off blank tapes they neither manufactured nor distributed. You have to pay them for NOTHING, how fucked up is that?
Wow. If the design of their website doesn't give you a 'Big-brother' impression, nothing will.
Seriously... are they GLOATING at the fact that they're an agency which literally nobody knows what they're doing.
Wgat sense does this make. There are some people (not me) that might pay up to $500 for the newest ATI or Nvidia cards. But they do that with the knowledge that the hottest 3D applications will take advantage of them. More importantly, that is the price they might pay for those cards today. It's well known that in six months those cards might be worth half that, in a year perhaps around $100. How can anyone say how much you would be willing to pay for the final product when by that time it might not even compete with the $100 cards?
The price for a decent 2-D video card is not NEARLY as time sensitive.
If you're not interesting in playing the newest 3d games, but instead would like an "open-source" video card, you care a lot less about how it compares with the newest ATI and Nvidia cards.
Personally, I would like an open-source fully-supported video card. I don't really do anything that uses even the 3D processing power of my GFII let alone something that needs the latest monster video card.
The thing I would most like to see is Matrox-quality D/A conversion for the analog output. 3D performance may be improving across the board, but not all cards are equal in the analog realm.
Yep, but since you now ostensibly have the ability to design materials at the atomic level, if not merely molecular level, then you can design and fabricate a coffee table that looks like particle board [if that's what you're after], but is:
- self-cleaning, or easier to clean
- far stronger
- far lighter
- more durable [or, if you're in the business of selling them... less durable... or... with an expiration date].
All very true, but that's why I delierately chose something very simple. Sure you could have a "super" coffee table, but what good is that really? A normal coffee table is good enough.
I realize there's some potenial for really cool little tweaks to things, but I think a coffee table is a great example of something this machine would fall flat on its face with. Sure it could build one, but the cost would be ridiculous compared to just building a conventional coffee table.
Other posters in this thread were totally ignoring the energy involved in production and acting as if a machine like this would instantly destroy the world economy for manufactured goods.
IMO, a machine like this would be most useful for building things we can't currently build, not making copies of things we can already produce much more cheaply.
Think about it.. once you buy such a device, no matter *what* the initial cost, you could use it to make almost anything... including, other devices!
People are forgetting the amount of energy that something like this would require.
For something simple, but big like a coffee table re-arranging atoms one by one to get the exact structure of particle board is going to cost a HELL of a lot more in terms of energy than just pressing sawdust and cutting it to the right shape.
Although you *could* make particle board with the thing, you would probably end up paying $10,000+ for a $10 sheet of particle board.
In general, I would expect the price of anything fabricated by a device like this to be very high until we all get our own "Mr. Fusion" to go along with it.
Something like this would initially only affect the market for very small, very expensive goods like diamonds and computer chips.
If they actually have nothing against gays, then I would say the number is zero. Feeling intense disgust just by glancing at a picture of a common sex act between two men is something. It's like people who say "I've nothing against blacks/asians/hispanics/jews/women/gays, but [insert bigoteed statement here]."
That's nonsense.
To mangle a famous quote:
I may not want to see you do it, but I shall
defend, to the death, your right to.
For example, I don't want to see you eat a bucket of maggots either (Fear Factor anyone?) but that doesn't mean I have a problem with you doing it.
I just don't understand maggot eating. It doesn't make sense to me and I would be disgusted if I did it myself, but I don't think it is my place to control actions which don't affect me.
The ONLY negative judgement I'm making is that I would not do it myself nor watch it. It does not appeal to me.
Acting as though there's something wrong with not liking the image of gay sex is a perfect example of being bigoted.
Deciding that you don't like the image of gay sex is not bigoted, it's a personal preference. Everyone has a right to their own personal preference.
Deciding that EVERYONE should be able to deal with the image of gay sex or that gay sex should be banned is what's bigoted.
Here's another example:
My girlfriend hates the smell of coffee. It disgusts her. If it's strong enough it will actually make her sick to her stomach.
Does she think there's something wrong with me for drinking coffee? No. She has her own preference and I have mine. That what it all comes down to is respecting everyone's right to their own preferences.
I don't force her to drink coffee, and she doesn't force me not to.
It's a shame more people don't undertand that. By attacking others personal preferences in defense of your own, you shift the issue to being one of "Either you're with us or you're against us."
What really needs to be pushed is:
"My actions don't affect you, so I should be free to perform them..... it shouldn't matter if you agree with them. It's not your business to decide what goes on in your bedroom, just like it's not mine to decide what goes on in yours. We both have a mutal interest in being free to do whatever in our own bedrooms."
Incidentally, after reading the entire corpus of ordinances pertaining to parking, I discovered that I was in the right after all, and photocopied the sections of the book for the occasion of receiving a ticket. Oops. Guess I broke some copyright laws there.
Actually, you didn't.
Laws are automatically "public domain" as are gov't-produced documents. Low-budget film compaines routinely take advantage of this to get cheap footage.
Although the gov't charges $800 per copy, it should be legal for you to just photocopy the entire book and start selling copies for as much (or as little) as you want.
I never said batteries were unaffected by tempurature.
Direct quote: EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET is affected by tempurature... That doesn't mean everything is affected just as seriously.
I can't say what's at that link, but I can assure you, cold tempuratures have a much more serious effect on your engine than any decent batteries.
Your statement is just plain wrong. THE reason it is hard to start a car in the cold is the battery. Cold Cranking Amps are not listed on every car battery just for the hell of it. Temperature effects on your battery are THE dominating factor.
And the issue here is what makes it HARD TO START YOUR CAR.
No the issue is that an electric car won't be just hard to start, it will be hard to drive, period. Difficulty starting is a minor inconvenience compared to losing a large percentage of your range (and horsepower) just because it's cold out. If you need double the battery capacity to start your car in the winter months, it's not that big of a deal. Your standard car battery is already sized to account for that. If you need double the battery capacity to keep the same range during the winter months and your battery pack already weighs hundreds or even thousands of pounds, it's a HUGE problem.
This is the last troll of yours I'm going to even bother replying to.
Simply amazing.
You're calling me a troll for posting factual information that counters your making shit up off the top of your head.
Why not make the simple effort of searching google? Type "battery performance temperature".
but I can assure you, cold tempuratures have a much more serious effect on your engine than any decent batteries.
Right so the same guy who didn't know anything about the effects of temperature on a simple chemical battery is now an expert the thermodynamics of engines?
FYI, cars have a thermostat.
This keeps the temperature of the mechanical parts pretty consistent, regardless of weather.
In cold conditions, your car will actually perform BETTER due to the increased density of the air.
Say I sell you a house and after closing you find a sticker over the keyhole this says: By breaking this seal you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions:
You didn't not buy this house only rented it.
You are not allowe to modify this house.
You are not allowed to distributes pictures of or discuss this house.
You are not allowed to discuss this agreement with anyone.
etc, etc
It doesn't matter if the contract was posted in some dark corner of the internet, for it to be valid it must be presented as a condition of sale.
It is not my duty to search out your EULA before buying your product. It terms are not explicity agreed on before/during the sale, then it automatically defaults to those established by standard copyright law. It simply doesn't work to present additional restrictions AFTER you already have my money.
If Microsoft really wants that EULA for WinXP to hold up, they need to present it to me at the counter at Best Buy. Otherwise, there's an implicit agreement to the doctrine of first sale.
It not an unreasonable thing to expect, ever buy a cellphone?
Sorry, but that simply isn't true (in general). You personally may have been welcoming and helpful, and that is commendable. Sadly, a lot of your peers are anything but, as the number of "luser" rants in a typical FOSS IRC channel or discussion forum will testify. The attitude of a significant number of self-important 3l337 Hax0rz in this respect has been one of the biggest and stupidest things holding back the FOSS community since forever.
Perhaps you're on the wrong servers?
Are you connecting to irc.pricks.net ?
Try the Gentoo forums for example. I've found them to be highly civil. There are lots of sites Filled with reasonable people, willing to help.
The internet is filled with all sorts of communities. Sometimes one has to look around to find one they want to be part of.
Agreed. It's more than just OS capabilities. It is also an emotional thing. And I believe on that issue Linux has the mind-share.
And what's more Linux finally has really good hardware support.
Linux has made absolutely GIANT leaps in driver support in the last five years. It all finally works. I have analog NTSC video in and out, firewire (with dvcam support), 3d acceleration, USB hard disks, RAID, CD burner, sound card with SPDIF, printer, etc. etc.
Heck, even my TI-calculator link cable has linux drivers. Sun is not going to be able to get that kind of hardware support overnight.
(If you want to prove this to yourself go around sticking a Knoppix CD in random PCs.)
Additionally, SUN is going to have to prove themselves all over again in the x86 market having very abruptly cancelled their x86 Solaris version not all that long ago.
I was just starting to get interested in it myself, and then Sun killed it. When they killed Solaris for x86, the also simultaneously killed their place in the x86 market. Companies don't want to invest in something that may turn out to be just an experiment. Sun is going to have a tough time proving their seriousness.
You overlooked a vital problem in your plan.. The prints created by a daisy wheel are as unique to the printer used as fingerprints to a person, if not more so.
Yes, but they aren't registered with the manufacturer before the printer leaves the factory.
Who cares if the daisywheel was "unique" when no one can link that unique pattern to you?
Just buy a daisywheel, print your letter and then grind all the letters off the wheel.
What is it about electric cars that makes all the crazies come out of the woodowork?
Your batteries aren't what makes your car hard to start (unless you've got a really crappy battery).
Wrong. Look at the graph of performance vs temperature.
Plus, the batteries in this vehicle are NOT lead-acid like the ones in your car.
ALL battery types are affected by temperature.
The money you would save from having an electric car for your day-to-day driving would MORE than make up for the cost of renting a conventional car when you want to go on a trip.
Because you say so, with no supporting evidence?
Or, companies could just build electric cars with a tiny generator and small gas tank.
That's called a hybrid. It's a MUCH more sensible design, but the car we're talking about is NOT a hybrid.
Since it'll cost less than replacing my oil, transmission fluid, oil/trans/fuel/air filters, belts, etc... I'm very excited about it!
Electric cars have mechanical parts too. They are not magical perfect cars. You are still going to have to perform routine maintenance on them.
It's amazing how willing many electric car nuts are to completely ignore their drawbacks. (To the point where they making obviously incorrect statements about things like battery performance across temperature.
Well, then, don't compare it to a porsche. Compare it to a corvette, which was certainly designed with straight line speed in mind. A factory fresh 2004 corvette posts a 12.5 quarter mile, over a second slower that the eliica type B's 11.3 second time. Nothing to sneeze at.
God damn. A Corvette isn't designed just for straight-line acceleration either. Obvious giveaways being the 50/50 weight ratio, and the big-assed brakes. The newest Covette handles VERY well.
I doubt the other performance characteristics of this $400,000 vehicle are even on a par with a $50,000 Corvette.
Actually, the batteries would generate more power on a cold day, not less. Your car is hard to start in the cold because of the increased viscosity of the engine oil, not because of the battery.
American hated the concept of Electric Motors in cars for one simple fact. Speed.
Actually, there are LOTS of reasons:
Ever have trouble starting your car on a really cold day? Now imagine if you had to use those batteries to drive around.
Ever want to go on a trip?
Excited about the idea of replacing thousands of dollars in batteries every N years?
Want a car that handles well? That means it needs to be light. Batteries just do not have the energy density of gasoline.
I've never seen a electric car with very good crash protection. There's no way my dad is going to give up his Volvo for something that doesn't even have real side doors, let alone an acutally safe passenger compartment.
Sure it doesn't help that most electric cars are slow as hell, but they have tons of other inherent problems too. Every once in a while someone builds a fast electric car (there have been other fast electrics on the front page of/.), but it's never something that would actually work for mass consumption.
For $10,000 I could make a picnic table faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo but that doesn't make it the wave of the future.
The thing that sucks is not actually speed, but the inherent tradeoffs demanded by an electric car. You might get the speed but not the range, or like my picnic table you might get the speed and not even show up to compete on the other factors that make a car actually "good."
One thing at annoys me about this article people comparing acceleration of vehicles that aren't even in the same class. There are lots of cars out there faster than a Porsche IN A STRAIGHT LINE, but Porsches are not built to drive in a straight line.
The thing I have yet to see is an electric car that competes with ALL the perfomance characteristics of a good car. Automakers could easily fix your speed complaint but they would do so at the expense of equally important factors.
I think that it should be noted that electric motors always accelerate faster than their combustion counterparts.
This isn't true.
They only accelerate fast IF YOU'RE STARING THE ENGINE AT ZERO RPM. Most of the time you gas-powered car doesn't sit there at ZERO RPM. It might be fair to say that an electric motor will always accelerate faster from ZERO RPM, but that sounds a lot less impressive (and with good reason)
Anyone who knows even a little about drag racing knows that you can get all the torque your tires can handle and then some while starting from a dead stop. This is because a gas-powered car has a clutch and transmission.
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The reason they're seeing so much more activity is because a person who's lying is actively thinking, rather than just "regurgitating" information.
Obviously you haven't worked at a company with a "marketing" dept.
That's very cool.
Thanks for getting the word out.
Any mods out ther might want to give this one a bump as it's useful info that I hadn't heard until today. I imagine there are a lot of other Gentoo users in the same boat.
The most unfortunate thing about gentoo is that the machines that need its help the most - K6s and other stepchild CPUs - are the ones that take the longest to build the system, but that's reality.
Here's the link you want:
Gentoo Distcc guide
Admittedly I haven't used it yet, but if I ever need to install Gentoo on an old laptop it's a route I would definately explore.
*Perhaps* this is because *that's the deal* that *your band* *agreed to* when *you* *signed* the *contract*. It's *the price* for a *chance* at *major label* fame and *fortune*!
Or perhaps it's the tithe you have to pay to a bunch of goons who have monopolized US music distribution?
Somebody would be an idiot for signing a contract like that IN A FREE MARKET, but we have no such thing. Hell, an independent band even has to pay an RIAA tax on the the blank media they use to record.
The problem isn't this guy, it's that a criminal organization has managed to buy off politicians to the point where they even make money off blank tapes they neither manufactured nor distributed. You have to pay them for NOTHING, how fucked up is that?
Wow. If the design of their website doesn't give you a 'Big-brother' impression, nothing will. Seriously... are they GLOATING at the fact that they're an agency which literally nobody knows what they're doing.
Actually, the NSA has a really cool kids website.
WAIT: Scratch that, they USED to have a really cool kids website.
I'm not sure why they killed the old site that had some really cool math puzzles. It was interesting even to adults like myself.
Wgat sense does this make. There are some people (not me) that might pay up to $500 for the newest ATI or Nvidia cards. But they do that with the knowledge that the hottest 3D applications will take advantage of them. More importantly, that is the price they might pay for those cards today. It's well known that in six months those cards might be worth half that, in a year perhaps around $100. How can anyone say how much you would be willing to pay for the final product when by that time it might not even compete with the $100 cards?
The price for a decent 2-D video card is not NEARLY as time sensitive.
If you're not interesting in playing the newest 3d games, but instead would like an "open-source" video card, you care a lot less about how it compares with the newest ATI and Nvidia cards.
Personally, I would like an open-source fully-supported video card. I don't really do anything that uses even the 3D processing power of my GFII let alone something that needs the latest monster video card.
The thing I would most like to see is Matrox-quality D/A conversion for the analog output. 3D performance may be improving across the board, but not all cards are equal in the analog realm.
Yep, but since you now ostensibly have the ability to design materials at the atomic level, if not merely molecular level, then you can design and fabricate a coffee table that looks like particle board [if that's what you're after], but is: - self-cleaning, or easier to clean - far stronger - far lighter - more durable [or, if you're in the business of selling them ... less durable ... or ... with an expiration date].
All very true, but that's why I delierately chose something very simple. Sure you could have a "super" coffee table, but what good is that really? A normal coffee table is good enough.
I realize there's some potenial for really cool little tweaks to things, but I think a coffee table is a great example of something this machine would fall flat on its face with. Sure it could build one, but the cost would be ridiculous compared to just building a conventional coffee table.
Other posters in this thread were totally ignoring the energy involved in production and acting as if a machine like this would instantly destroy the world economy for manufactured goods.
IMO, a machine like this would be most useful for building things we can't currently build, not making copies of things we can already produce much more cheaply.
Think about it.. once you buy such a device, no matter *what* the initial cost, you could use it to make almost anything... including, other devices!
People are forgetting the amount of energy that something like this would require.
For something simple, but big like a coffee table re-arranging atoms one by one to get the exact structure of particle board is going to cost a HELL of a lot more in terms of energy than just pressing sawdust and cutting it to the right shape.
Although you *could* make particle board with the thing, you would probably end up paying $10,000+ for a $10 sheet of particle board.
In general, I would expect the price of anything fabricated by a device like this to be very high until we all get our own "Mr. Fusion" to go along with it.
Something like this would initially only affect the market for very small, very expensive goods like diamonds and computer chips.
If they actually have nothing against gays, then I would say the number is zero. Feeling intense disgust just by glancing at a picture of a common sex act between two men is something. It's like people who say "I've nothing against blacks/asians/hispanics/jews/women/gays, but [insert bigoteed statement here]."
That's nonsense.
To mangle a famous quote:
I may not want to see you do it, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to.
For example, I don't want to see you eat a bucket of maggots either (Fear Factor anyone?) but that doesn't mean I have a problem with you doing it.
I just don't understand maggot eating. It doesn't make sense to me and I would be disgusted if I did it myself, but I don't think it is my place to control actions which don't affect me.
The ONLY negative judgement I'm making is that I would not do it myself nor watch it. It does not appeal to me.
Acting as though there's something wrong with not liking the image of gay sex is a perfect example of being bigoted.
Deciding that you don't like the image of gay sex is not bigoted, it's a personal preference. Everyone has a right to their own personal preference.
Deciding that EVERYONE should be able to deal with the image of gay sex or that gay sex should be banned is what's bigoted.
Here's another example:
My girlfriend hates the smell of coffee. It disgusts her. If it's strong enough it will actually make her sick to her stomach.
Does she think there's something wrong with me for drinking coffee? No. She has her own preference and I have mine. That what it all comes down to is respecting everyone's right to their own preferences.
I don't force her to drink coffee, and she doesn't force me not to.
It's a shame more people don't undertand that. By attacking others personal preferences in defense of your own, you shift the issue to being one of "Either you're with us or you're against us."
What really needs to be pushed is:
"My actions don't affect you, so I should be free to perform them..... it shouldn't matter if you agree with them. It's not your business to decide what goes on in your bedroom, just like it's not mine to decide what goes on in yours. We both have a mutal interest in being free to do whatever in our own bedrooms."
Incidentally, after reading the entire corpus of ordinances pertaining to parking, I discovered that I was in the right after all, and photocopied the sections of the book for the occasion of receiving a ticket. Oops. Guess I broke some copyright laws there.
Actually, you didn't.
Laws are automatically "public domain" as are gov't-produced documents. Low-budget film compaines routinely take advantage of this to get cheap footage.
Although the gov't charges $800 per copy, it should be legal for you to just photocopy the entire book and start selling copies for as much (or as little) as you want.
Here is an example court judgement which backs up my opinion.
In this case the judges decided that even if some body of text was already copyrighted, by becoming a law it automatically enters the public domain.
I never said batteries were unaffected by tempurature.
Direct quote:
EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET is affected by tempurature... That doesn't mean everything is affected just as seriously. I can't say what's at that link, but I can assure you, cold tempuratures have a much more serious effect on your engine than any decent batteries.
Your statement is just plain wrong. THE reason it is hard to start a car in the cold is the battery. Cold Cranking Amps are not listed on every car battery just for the hell of it. Temperature effects on your battery are THE dominating factor.
And the issue here is what makes it HARD TO START YOUR CAR.
No the issue is that an electric car won't be just hard to start, it will be hard to drive, period. Difficulty starting is a minor inconvenience compared to losing a large percentage of your range (and horsepower) just because it's cold out. If you need double the battery capacity to start your car in the winter months, it's not that big of a deal. Your standard car battery is already sized to account for that. If you need double the battery capacity to keep the same range during the winter months and your battery pack already weighs hundreds or even thousands of pounds, it's a HUGE problem.
This is the last troll of yours I'm going to even bother replying to.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
But what about when the next kernel exploit surfaces? Should he be expected to backport the fix himself?
Even the 2.2 kernel series is still being maintained. This is just simply not an issue.
Simply amazing.
You're calling me a troll for posting factual information that counters your making shit up off the top of your head.
Why not make the simple effort of searching google? Type "battery performance temperature".
but I can assure you, cold tempuratures have a much more serious effect on your engine than any decent batteries.
Right so the same guy who didn't know anything about the effects of temperature on a simple chemical battery is now an expert the thermodynamics of engines?
FYI, cars have a thermostat.
This keeps the temperature of the mechanical parts pretty consistent, regardless of weather.
In cold conditions, your car will actually perform BETTER due to the increased density of the air.
Have you ever looked? Here let me help
You're missing the point.
Say I sell you a house and after closing you find a sticker over the keyhole this says:
By breaking this seal you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions:
You didn't not buy this house only rented it.
You are not allowe to modify this house.
You are not allowed to distributes pictures of or discuss this house.
You are not allowed to discuss this agreement with anyone.
etc, etc
It doesn't matter if the contract was posted in some dark corner of the internet, for it to be valid it must be presented as a condition of sale.
It is not my duty to search out your EULA before buying your product. It terms are not explicity agreed on before/during the sale, then it automatically defaults to those established by standard copyright law. It simply doesn't work to present additional restrictions AFTER you already have my money.
If Microsoft really wants that EULA for WinXP to hold up, they need to present it to me at the counter at Best Buy. Otherwise, there's an implicit agreement to the doctrine of first sale.
It not an unreasonable thing to expect, ever buy a cellphone?
Sorry, but that simply isn't true (in general). You personally may have been welcoming and helpful, and that is commendable. Sadly, a lot of your peers are anything but, as the number of "luser" rants in a typical FOSS IRC channel or discussion forum will testify. The attitude of a significant number of self-important 3l337 Hax0rz in this respect has been one of the biggest and stupidest things holding back the FOSS community since forever.
Perhaps you're on the wrong servers?
Are you connecting to irc.pricks.net ?
Try the Gentoo forums for example. I've found them to be highly civil. There are lots of sites Filled with reasonable people, willing to help.
The internet is filled with all sorts of communities. Sometimes one has to look around to find one they want to be part of.
Agreed. It's more than just OS capabilities. It is also an emotional thing. And I believe on that issue Linux has the mind-share.
And what's more Linux finally has really good hardware support.
Linux has made absolutely GIANT leaps in driver support in the last five years. It all finally works. I have analog NTSC video in and out, firewire (with dvcam support), 3d acceleration, USB hard disks, RAID, CD burner, sound card with SPDIF, printer, etc. etc.
Heck, even my TI-calculator link cable has linux drivers. Sun is not going to be able to get that kind of hardware support overnight.
(If you want to prove this to yourself go around sticking a Knoppix CD in random PCs.)
Additionally, SUN is going to have to prove themselves all over again in the x86 market having very abruptly cancelled their x86 Solaris version not all that long ago.
I was just starting to get interested in it myself, and then Sun killed it. When they killed Solaris for x86, the also simultaneously killed their place in the x86 market. Companies don't want to invest in something that may turn out to be just an experiment. Sun is going to have a tough time proving their seriousness.
You overlooked a vital problem in your plan.. The prints created by a daisy wheel are as unique to the printer used as fingerprints to a person, if not more so.
Yes, but they aren't registered with the manufacturer before the printer leaves the factory.
Who cares if the daisywheel was "unique" when no one can link that unique pattern to you?
Just buy a daisywheel, print your letter and then grind all the letters off the wheel.
What is it about electric cars that makes all the crazies come out of the woodowork?
Your batteries aren't what makes your car hard to start (unless you've got a really crappy battery).
Wrong. Look at the graph of performance vs temperature.
Plus, the batteries in this vehicle are NOT lead-acid like the ones in your car.
ALL battery types are affected by temperature.
The money you would save from having an electric car for your day-to-day driving would MORE than make up for the cost of renting a conventional car when you want to go on a trip.
Because you say so, with no supporting evidence?
Or, companies could just build electric cars with a tiny generator and small gas tank.
That's called a hybrid. It's a MUCH more sensible design, but the car we're talking about is NOT a hybrid.
Since it'll cost less than replacing my oil, transmission fluid, oil/trans/fuel/air filters, belts, etc... I'm very excited about it!
Electric cars have mechanical parts too. They are not magical perfect cars. You are still going to have to perform routine maintenance on them.
It's amazing how willing many electric car nuts are to completely ignore their drawbacks. (To the point where they making obviously incorrect statements about things like battery performance across temperature.
Well, then, don't compare it to a porsche. Compare it to a corvette, which was certainly designed with straight line speed in mind. A factory fresh 2004 corvette posts a 12.5 quarter mile, over a second slower that the eliica type B's 11.3 second time. Nothing to sneeze at.
God damn. A Corvette isn't designed just for straight-line acceleration either. Obvious giveaways being the 50/50 weight ratio, and the big-assed brakes. The newest Covette handles VERY well.
I doubt the other performance characteristics of this $400,000 vehicle are even on a par with a $50,000 Corvette.
Actually, the batteries would generate more power on a cold day, not less. Your car is hard to start in the cold because of the increased viscosity of the engine oil, not because of the battery.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. It is common knowedge that batteries perform poorly in low temperatures.
If you bothered to read, it handles very well. It meets or exceeds a porsche in all performance characteristics.
Actually bothered to read what?
None of the artiles linked to make such a ridiculous claim as the one you're making. They compare ONLY straight line acceleration.
Actually, there are LOTS of reasons:
Sure it doesn't help that most electric cars are slow as hell, but they have tons of other inherent problems too. Every once in a while someone builds a fast electric car (there have been other fast electrics on the front page of
For $10,000 I could make a picnic table faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo but that doesn't make it the wave of the future.
The thing that sucks is not actually speed, but the inherent tradeoffs demanded by an electric car. You might get the speed but not the range, or like my picnic table you might get the speed and not even show up to compete on the other factors that make a car actually "good."
One thing at annoys me about this article people comparing acceleration of vehicles that aren't even in the same class. There are lots of cars out there faster than a Porsche IN A STRAIGHT LINE, but Porsches are not built to drive in a straight line.
The thing I have yet to see is an electric car that competes with ALL the perfomance characteristics of a good car. Automakers could easily fix your speed complaint but they would do so at the expense of equally important factors.
I think that it should be noted that electric motors always accelerate faster than their combustion counterparts.
This isn't true.
They only accelerate fast IF YOU'RE STARING THE ENGINE AT ZERO RPM. Most of the time you gas-powered car doesn't sit there at ZERO RPM. It might be fair to say that an electric motor will always accelerate faster from ZERO RPM, but that sounds a lot less impressive (and with good reason)
Anyone who knows even a little about drag racing knows that you can get all the torque your tires can handle and then some while starting from a dead stop. This is because a gas-powered car has a clutch and transmission.
Just doing a "Delete" puts it in the recycle bin. Duh.
Except that the documents were found in a trash can, NOT a recycling bin.
Obviously mac users are to blame. Clearly mac users hate our freedom!
Whatever happened to learning stuff?
You can do that with the internet too.
You can get 10X the information in a tenth of the time with NONE of the credibility!
Sure $30K/year is a lot to pay for an internet connection, but if you figure in the amount of free beer you'll drink it probably evens out.