No, no, no. You have it all wrong. You just have to sent 1,000,000 handcrafted, carefully targeted emails to certain key senators and congresscritters. I hear there's a guy in Louisiana who has reasonable rates, if he ever gets his network connection back.
Yeah, but MS is cooperating wholeheartedly on this. Didn't they say that they were "thinking of music" when they came up with Palladium? In a couple of years, they might not need do DoS the average home user. His windows/palladium liscence would just suddenly expire... and linux might be considered a "palladium circumvention device". Weird world. What's that Machines of Loving Grace lyric? "And if I could kill without guilt or sin, there'd soon be a few less record executives". Hackers might live 'em even less before too long:)
We know that they don't use it. No working ideas on how to use it to distribute music, anyway. It's apparantly worthless to them. How the hell do they screw people out money on the internet in a way that no one else has thought of?
The already do that. Unless you're ticket free, they stick it to you. Traffic tickets in most cases are just screwing over citizens. Why do you think that they tinkered with the timing on traffic lights when they installed cameras out in California? Oh yeah, and the manufacturers got about half the money. This is about money, that's all. See, the problem is that unless they're WATCHING you, they don't know if you're doing something they don't like or not. Some of us don't like that. Out of morbid curiousity, what country do you live in?
Harms them for no benifit? What the fuck does that mean? By your own argument, shooting YOU in the head would be OK if I were paid enough for the job... or on the other hand, if I stood to lose money if I didn't. Either way, I don't think you'd like it. Same thing here.
Maybe I should put on the tinfoil hat... what if all the really want is to BE the central server? I know it's nutty, but so is this bill. If they can scrape up enough techies to even think about pulling this off, I'm sure that they could find someone to explain to them how the whole "redundancy" thing is a central concept in the way the internet was designed.
Yeah, but voting's hard. You have to leave the house and all... hell, if I left the house to vote, I might miss a once-in-a-lifetime chance to get first post on slashdot! If everyone that talked about doing things actually did them, it would be a much more interesting world.
Yeah, but when the Chinese decide that they don't like you they just pick a law to enforce (or make one up), arrest you, and shoot you in the head. Sound like the MPAA would fit in over there better than me.
No, you have it wrong. Obviously you should kick the door in, shoot me, take an axe to the printing press, and then burn the house down. You have to be sure that I'm not going to pirate any more stuff, don't you? In the other case, well... you'd do pretty much the same thing. If you burn the house down you can be pretty sure that the cat's not in there (at least not alive, but what's the difference? You didn't get the cat back, but I can't have it either. That's how these assholes think... their reasoning reminds of spoiled three year old kids on a playground.
I think a lot of admins are still skeptical of MS in the server room... if they want people to use it, they have to prove that it works. At least, if they're trying to get people to switch from Unix. For die-hard *nix veterans, that's going to be a hard sell... unless the PHB is involved, of course.
No, but it sure is fun to get pulled over in a car that didn't come with seatbelts. Mine never had any, but try explaining that to bubba on the side of the road.
Maybe not a GM product, but Audi did make some cars with out-of control acceleration problems. And no, the problem WASN'T with the pedals being too close together. I worked on a few. The problem is Bosch's fuel injection system; the vaccum lines/hoses snap together and when they get hard you get vaccuum leaks. Vaccuum leak in the wrong place=gas pedal going to the floor. Find an old Audi 5000 with a broken "park" switch and add a remote engine starter. Leave it in drive, get out and push the button. Sooner or later you'll have an out-of-control vehicle with no one in it. Did Audi go out of business? No. The government obviously didn't want to piss off the French. If most mechanics who have specialized in Euro cars know what the problem really was, do you honestly think that a government lab couldn't figure it out after they worked on the problem for months? BS. The government will help big business cover up even the dumbest mistakes if it's in their interest.
I tried shooting at an old 486 with special low-noise rounds I made. The idea was to rig the computer with small charges made from firecrackers, and simultaneously detonate the charges and a set of strobe lights in a dark room using the noise of the gunshot. (The camera's shutter was held open). The idea worked, but the monitor held together better than I thought it would. Although the girl at radio shack didn't believe me when I told her what the SCRs were for until I showed her the pictures. Apparantly not too many people buy those:)
So, anything successful must someday suck? I don't get that. By the way, what the hell is soykaf anyway? Steaming soy anything doesn't sound real appealing... even if has a high alcohol content.
I just sent mine. Great idea, by the way. How many other/. ers have done the same in the last few minutes? Hopefully some fax machines just got slashdotted.
Passwords are a weak link, but Passport isn't? Doesn't Passport ask for a password? Oh, never mind, I get it... that's what we need a smart card/universal ID for... I feel much safer now.
Roadside bulletin board telling you to stop smoking... or letting you know where the next strip mall was... loglo, anyone? Maybe stephenson is a prophet:)
In other news, a consortium of large companies has announced that they have developed a building material that spray paint cannot adhere to. This should help companies that can not or will not secure their networks protect themselves from the insiduous threats of wardriving and warpainting. More news at 11.
Hey, I'm not a social outcast:) That's not fair. I run Linux, but I do leave the house... I don't much care what Forbes says on my choice of OS to run my personal machines, and I doubt that they care either. I agree, though, businesses ditching windows for linux are probably going to be doing it to save money... that's the real issue to them, are you in the red or the black?
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If Forbes ran an unbiased, real world example based series on how MS was better (in the server world), I'd wonder what the fuck happened to linux. If they did the same article about linux vs. ms on the desktop, I'd agree that there was room to improve. If they ran a series about how MS was better in the server room, I'd KNOW it was paid for.
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The US press is biased. I accept that. Some organizations are biased one way, some are biased another. Ok, I accept that too. Now, every once in a while someone has a slow week/hangover/too much prozac and publishes something unbiased. You have two options: There's a secret sinister ulterior motive, in which case even publishing an article that touches on the good things about linux could be construed as "anti MS", or maybe it's just an anomaly. Or maybe, in Forbes case, its not about the companies making the software at all. Its about the cost/benefit of using one or the other. Still no spin? Ok, chalk it up to the editor having a hangover and move on, man. Not everything is a conspiracy... there isn't time, that rag has to be on the shelves in a month!
The companies that do this will go with a large vendor, like IBM, to make the change. Companies like support... and linux is widespread enough that it's not going to go away overnight. So yes, they'll look for a distro that has support from a large technology company. That makes sense, if you look at from their perspective. If you're a home user, you pick a distro, it dies out (doesn't seem to happen that often anymore, but it could) and you want something better you've got what, 20 machines to upgrade? Max? (It would be interesting to see a poll on how much/.'rs spend a month on power bills for computers, and how many closets they have full of old RS6000s and whatnot. But I digress.) A business has thousands of machines... they all need to be the same to cut down on support costs. An odd duck here or there if someone needs something strange is ok, but the rest need to conform to a standard. So yes, they'll go with something stable, provided by a stable company, and created by the most apparantly stable company they can find. IBM will come and plug it in, and everyone will be happy until they decide to tinker with it... which is where they call you to ask what a config file for something does if they know you run linux (yes, it happens... you don't think they'd call IBM and tell them that they were monkeying with a perfectly good setup, do you?).
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I think he meant "a viable option for companies to use". My company is looking at using Linux on the file servers... I don't do IT work for them, at least not officially, but... I run Linux, and I help with networking stuff sometimes. I'm going to walk them through setting up a backup file server with the users, groups, etc. and show them how to connect the NT workstations to it. This is certainly possible. Is it viable? I guess that really depends on how much they want to spend on training for the current IT guys. Would that be cheaper than the next Windows liscense? You bet. That's why they're looking at it. Not stability, not for the good of society, not because it's open source. They're just tired of bleeding money on constant windows upgrades. Please note before you flame: I'm not a Linux zealot. It's just my preference. Something else may work fine for you. And, they asked, I didn't suggest it. How many of you are an engineer of the electrical-mechanical-whatever variety who runs your home machines and sites on something other than windows? Does your IT department know that? If they do, don't be surprised if they have questions. I just hope that your department head is as cool as mine is, and willing to loan you out for a day or two to give them a demo.
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No, no, no. You have it all wrong. You just have to sent 1,000,000 handcrafted, carefully targeted emails to certain key senators and congresscritters. I hear there's a guy in Louisiana who has reasonable rates, if he ever gets his network connection back.
Yeah, but MS is cooperating wholeheartedly on this. Didn't they say that they were "thinking of music" when they came up with Palladium? In a couple of years, they might not need do DoS the average home user. His windows/palladium liscence would just suddenly expire... and linux might be considered a "palladium circumvention device". Weird world. What's that Machines of Loving Grace lyric? "And if I could kill without guilt or sin, there'd soon be a few less record executives". Hackers might live 'em even less before too long :)
We know that they don't use it. No working ideas on how to use it to distribute music, anyway. It's apparantly worthless to them. How the hell do they screw people out money on the internet in a way that no one else has thought of?
The already do that. Unless you're ticket free, they stick it to you. Traffic tickets in most cases are just screwing over citizens. Why do you think that they tinkered with the timing on traffic lights when they installed cameras out in California? Oh yeah, and the manufacturers got about half the money. This is about money, that's all. See, the problem is that unless they're WATCHING you, they don't know if you're doing something they don't like or not. Some of us don't like that. Out of morbid curiousity, what country do you live in?
Harms them for no benifit? What the fuck does that mean? By your own argument, shooting YOU in the head would be OK if I were paid enough for the job... or on the other hand, if I stood to lose money if I didn't. Either way, I don't think you'd like it. Same thing here.
Maybe I should put on the tinfoil hat... what if all the really want is to BE the central server? I know it's nutty, but so is this bill. If they can scrape up enough techies to even think about pulling this off, I'm sure that they could find someone to explain to them how the whole "redundancy" thing is a central concept in the way the internet was designed.
Yeah, but voting's hard. You have to leave the house and all... hell, if I left the house to vote, I might miss a once-in-a-lifetime chance to get first post on slashdot! If everyone that talked about doing things actually did them, it would be a much more interesting world.
Yeah, but when the Chinese decide that they don't like you they just pick a law to enforce (or make one up), arrest you, and shoot you in the head. Sound like the MPAA would fit in over there better than me.
No, you have it wrong. Obviously you should kick the door in, shoot me, take an axe to the printing press, and then burn the house down. You have to be sure that I'm not going to pirate any more stuff, don't you? In the other case, well... you'd do pretty much the same thing. If you burn the house down you can be pretty sure that the cat's not in there (at least not alive, but what's the difference? You didn't get the cat back, but I can't have it either. That's how these assholes think... their reasoning reminds of spoiled three year old kids on a playground.
I think a lot of admins are still skeptical of MS in the server room... if they want people to use it, they have to prove that it works. At least, if they're trying to get people to switch from Unix. For die-hard *nix veterans, that's going to be a hard sell... unless the PHB is involved, of course.
No, but it sure is fun to get pulled over in a car that didn't come with seatbelts. Mine never had any, but try explaining that to bubba on the side of the road.
Maybe not a GM product, but Audi did make some cars with out-of control acceleration problems. And no, the problem WASN'T with the pedals being too close together. I worked on a few. The problem is Bosch's fuel injection system; the vaccum lines/hoses snap together and when they get hard you get vaccuum leaks. Vaccuum leak in the wrong place=gas pedal going to the floor. Find an old Audi 5000 with a broken "park" switch and add a remote engine starter. Leave it in drive, get out and push the button. Sooner or later you'll have an out-of-control vehicle with no one in it. Did Audi go out of business? No. The government obviously didn't want to piss off the French. If most mechanics who have specialized in Euro cars know what the problem really was, do you honestly think that a government lab couldn't figure it out after they worked on the problem for months? BS. The government will help big business cover up even the dumbest mistakes if it's in their interest.
I tried shooting at an old 486 with special low-noise rounds I made. The idea was to rig the computer with small charges made from firecrackers, and simultaneously detonate the charges and a set of strobe lights in a dark room using the noise of the gunshot. (The camera's shutter was held open). The idea worked, but the monitor held together better than I thought it would. Although the girl at radio shack didn't believe me when I told her what the SCRs were for until I showed her the pictures. Apparantly not too many people buy those :)
So, anything successful must someday suck? I don't get that. By the way, what the hell is soykaf anyway? Steaming soy anything doesn't sound real appealing... even if has a high alcohol content.
I just sent mine. Great idea, by the way. How many other /. ers have done the same in the last few minutes? Hopefully some fax machines just got slashdotted.
Passwords are a weak link, but Passport isn't? Doesn't Passport ask for a password? Oh, never mind, I get it... that's what we need a smart card/universal ID for... I feel much safer now.
Roadside bulletin board telling you to stop smoking... or letting you know where the next strip mall was... loglo, anyone? Maybe stephenson is a prophet :)
In other news, a consortium of large companies has announced that they have developed a building material that spray paint cannot adhere to. This should help companies that can not or will not secure their networks protect themselves from the insiduous threats of wardriving and warpainting. More news at 11.
Only if they read at -1.
Hey, I'm not a social outcast :) That's not fair. I run Linux, but I do leave the house... I don't much care what Forbes says on my choice of OS to run my personal machines, and I doubt that they care either. I agree, though, businesses ditching windows for linux are probably going to be doing it to save money... that's the real issue to them, are you in the red or the black?
If Forbes ran an unbiased, real world example based series on how MS was better (in the server world), I'd wonder what the fuck happened to linux. If they did the same article about linux vs. ms on the desktop, I'd agree that there was room to improve. If they ran a series about how MS was better in the server room, I'd KNOW it was paid for.
The US press is biased. I accept that. Some organizations are biased one way, some are biased another. Ok, I accept that too. Now, every once in a while someone has a slow week/hangover/too much prozac and publishes something unbiased. You have two options: There's a secret sinister ulterior motive, in which case even publishing an article that touches on the good things about linux could be construed as "anti MS", or maybe it's just an anomaly. Or maybe, in Forbes case, its not about the companies making the software at all. Its about the cost/benefit of using one or the other. Still no spin? Ok, chalk it up to the editor having a hangover and move on, man. Not everything is a conspiracy... there isn't time, that rag has to be on the shelves in a month!
The companies that do this will go with a large vendor, like IBM, to make the change. Companies like support... and linux is widespread enough that it's not going to go away overnight. So yes, they'll look for a distro that has support from a large technology company. That makes sense, if you look at from their perspective. If you're a home user, you pick a distro, it dies out (doesn't seem to happen that often anymore, but it could) and you want something better you've got what, 20 machines to upgrade? Max? (It would be interesting to see a poll on how much /.'rs spend a month on power bills for computers, and how many closets they have full of old RS6000s and whatnot. But I digress.) A business has thousands of machines... they all need to be the same to cut down on support costs. An odd duck here or there if someone needs something strange is ok, but the rest need to conform to a standard. So yes, they'll go with something stable, provided by a stable company, and created by the most apparantly stable company they can find. IBM will come and plug it in, and everyone will be happy until they decide to tinker with it... which is where they call you to ask what a config file for something does if they know you run linux (yes, it happens... you don't think they'd call IBM and tell them that they were monkeying with a perfectly good setup, do you?).
I think he meant "a viable option for companies to use". My company is looking at using Linux on the file servers... I don't do IT work for them, at least not officially, but... I run Linux, and I help with networking stuff sometimes. I'm going to walk them through setting up a backup file server with the users, groups, etc. and show them how to connect the NT workstations to it. This is certainly possible. Is it viable? I guess that really depends on how much they want to spend on training for the current IT guys. Would that be cheaper than the next Windows liscense? You bet. That's why they're looking at it. Not stability, not for the good of society, not because it's open source. They're just tired of bleeding money on constant windows upgrades. Please note before you flame: I'm not a Linux zealot. It's just my preference. Something else may work fine for you. And, they asked, I didn't suggest it. How many of you are an engineer of the electrical-mechanical-whatever variety who runs your home machines and sites on something other than windows? Does your IT department know that? If they do, don't be surprised if they have questions. I just hope that your department head is as cool as mine is, and willing to loan you out for a day or two to give them a demo.
The idea of apt for rpms also looks interesting. I'm running Redhat, but I'm going to give this a try tonight.