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Halo 3 Review

From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year. The combination of fan anticipation, marketing, and the skill of Bungie's design combine to create a game that's larger than life; if gaming has a blockbuster franchise to match the movie industry's punch, it's the tale of Master Chief. The importance of the Halo franchise to gaming is a very big issue, though, and one worth it's own article. Having played through the game, there's really only one question I'm here to answer today. Does it meet expectations? In a word: yes. It's not the best game ever made, and it may not even be the best game this year. Will it make the fans happy, and deservedly sell thousands of Xbox 360s? Very much yes. Read on for my impressions of Bungie's years-in-the-making epic, Halo 3.
  • Title: Halo 3
  • Developer/Publisher: Bungie / Microsoft Game Studios
  • System: Xbox 360
  • Genre: First Person Shooter
  • Score: 4/5 - This game is above average, and excels in the genre it supports. A classic for the genre and well worth a look for every gamer.
The Tale

I hope you were paying attention at the end of Halo 2, because the folks at Bungie don't waste any time getting new players up to speed. The action picks up right after the Gravemind's infestation of High Charity at the end of the previous game, and the Master Chief's escape from that doomed city in the Prophet of Truth's stolen Forerunner vessel. If that makes no sense to you, I refer you to Wikipedia for a brush-up on Halo's lore. That said, once you're in the thick of things you don't need to know a lot about the past two games to enjoy 3's story. There are a bunch of references back, and continued threads, but really ... it's a first-person shooter. There are aliens on Earth, trying to dig up an alien artifact. You have to stop them. Go to it.

If you are a fan of the previous games, the story of Halo 3 is going to satisfy your need to see things wrapped up. What it's not going to do is surprise you. The plot plays out pretty much the way you'd expect, though the writers do make some very mature choices towards the end of the tale that distinguish it a bit from every other hero's journey. I'm reluctant to say more, as I'm not sure what's common knowledge at this point, but there is one storytelling choice I wanted to point out as being particularly effective. Cortana, Master Chief's AI companion, was left behind with the Flood's master at the end of the previous game. Despite this, she connects regularly with the Chief in a form of psychic connection. This allows a sense of desperation to build throughout the title, and has a satisfying payoff late in the game.

Story is a really important component of the gameplay experience for me. Though I'm no expert, I do actually like the Halo metaplot quite a bit, and I was left well pleased by Bungie's conclusion. Suffice it to say that while you're not going to be blown away by any revelations, there are no cop-outs, no cheap tricks and (best of all) no meaningless cliffhanger endings. Just make sure you watch to the end of the credits.

Beware the Scarabs

In Halo 2 there's a sequence where you attack a building-sized walking tank in the shape of a multi-legged bug, with a giant laser on its front. It's an elaborate experience: rushing alongside it on rooftops, jumping aboard, taking out its crew, and finally destroying its core. It was, for me, one of the highlights of the game. In Halo 3 you take on these tanks at least three times, and at one point you're fighting two at once. That pretty much sums up the experience of gameplay in this title: it's like the other two, only a lot moreso. Everything is bigger, better, and very, very polished.

That polish is something that exists across the title, from moment-to-moment combat through to 'set piece' battles like the Scarab tanks. There are several set pieces like that spread throughout the game, areas that are more than just the movement from point A to point B with enemies in between. None of them are any more particularly challenging than the rest of the game, but provide exclamation points on areas of hard work and forward progress. There are also several vehicle sequences, more (it seemed) that even in Halo 2. Fast action in the Scorpion tank and Warthog return, but there are also sequences designed specifically to show off some of the new vehicles in this title. I felt these were much more seamless experiences than in the last game; jumping in a vehicle seems like the natural thing to do, not a decision forced upon you by game design.

The vehicle sequences - and the whole game, for that matter - would have benefited from some extra time in NPC boot camp. Once again, your AI assistants prove to be poorly equipped at driving, shooting, or doing pretty much anything other than getting in the way. This, frustratingly, is a step up from Halo 2, where they were incapable of driving without continuously flipping your vehicle. The AI is at least smart enough to get from point A to B now, but you're not going to enjoy the journey. The continued incompetence of the AI in moment-to-moment fighting is particularly frustrating because the Elite known as the Arbiter is your constant companion through most of the game. This is a shadow of the co-op play component, a reminder that it's always possible. All the Arbiter was good for in my experience, though, was waving around his energy sword ineffectually. The AI here wasn't as dumb as the grunts in Gears of War (who enjoyed mantling onto the side of cover the enemies were firing at), but they weren't much better.

The enemy AI, at least, isn't entirely ineffective. They seemed particularly adept at using some of the new toys added in since the last game. Brute chieftains regularly came outfitted with the pleasant addition of a ripped-off turret. These mounted weapons, a frequent sight in past titles, can now be removed from their housings and carried around to provide some heavy firepower. A chieftain with one of these in a secured location can mean regular trips through respawning. The ability to dig in and hold a position was greatly enhanced by this game's addition of 'equipment'. The new use for the X button (reloading is now down with the LB and RB bumpers), most equipment allows NPCs and PCs alike to better hold an area. The 'force shield' is shown off in the E3 2006 trailer but deployable cover (a tall shield), a regeneration aura (which keeps your shields charged), and even deployable turrets all allow for positions to be maintained more effectively than in the past. Other equipment is intended to bypass such advantages, like the power-draining opposite of the regenerator, a portable hover-lift device that can allow you a quick hop over enemy fortifications, and a placeable mine great for taking out drawn-in Grunts. I'll admit it: I didn't use the equipment as effectively as I could have, but it was always enjoyable to play against. Particularly the energy shield; Brutes always seemed somehow vaguely surprised when I popped through the translucent wall.

I regularly got unpleasant surprises throughout the game, and I feel like I need to point out a frustration Bungie has managed to preserve intact from Halo 2: checkpoints. Halo 3 features an autosave system that updates your progress every time you complete a specific objective; passing a point on the map, or activating a certain control panel. Most checkpoints, though, are reached by killing enemies, and you very specifically have to kill every enemy in a group. At several points I found myself frustrated by my inability to find hiding bad guys - I'd complete a long stretch of the game and die, only to find myself further back in the game than I had anticipated. On my way back to where I'd died, I would regularly encounter a checkpoint I hadn't used before. These additional checkpoints were there because I'd missed a single hiding Grunt, or one of those stealthy sniper enemies the first time through. It's always frustrating to lose progress, and even more so when you find you lost that progress because you didn't see the point in finding a single cowering trooper.

That frustration with checkpoints, though, is really my only complaint about level design and the actual experience of play. There is a lot less back tracking here than in either of the last two games, and levels themselves feature a great deal of variation. There's a far wider palette used to put together levels, and the greens and brilliant whites used in Halo 3 stand in stark contrast to the greys and browns that have dominated other next-gen shooters. Combat itself is just as much fun as ever, and it's unflinchingly fair. You never feel cheated by gameplay in Halo 3. If you screw up and die, you usually spend the few moments after your death and before you respawn going, "Yeah, fair enough." Pro tip: The loud beeping of your lowered shields should have told you to get behind cover. While everything is polished to a glistening shine, it's great to be able to say they really haven't changed the feel of gameplay that much. Nine million people didn't buy Halo 2 because of a marketing campaign: ultimately they bought it because Bungie puts together one of the best console shooter experiences, hands down.

One Fine Looking Suit of Armor

Halo 3 looks really good, especially in motion. That said, compared with a game like Gears of War or Lair, it doesn't particularly scream 'next-gen'. The water is pretty good, the explosions are works of art, and reflections off of the Chief's visor are satisfyingly accurate ... but for the most part the game looks a lot like Master Chief's previous adventure. That's fine, though, because (unlike in that title) the framerate is pegged at 60fps and never wavers. There was never once a stutter or slowdown, even with dozens of fastmoving objects on screen, swarms of enemies, or a speedy vehicle sequence. I also saw none of the 'texture popping' that I annoyingly associate with last-gen titles. There are also almost no loading times in the game. The only time you'll see a (brief) loading screen is when you start the game or load a new chapter. Otherwise from start to finish your gaming experience is essentially unbroken. Bungie obviously spent time working on the visual elements of the game, but not to the exclusion of equally important components like story and gameplay. The look of the game is conveyed more by the art style used in the varied environments that through sheer power; the graphics here get the job done, and look great doing it.

Firefly Stars and Heavy Guitar Riffs

One game element that needs no qualifiers is the title's sound presentation. Just as in the previous two games, no expense was spared to bring the world to life through sound effects, voice acting, and music. The sound effects are essentially identical to the experience a player may have had in Halo 2, with a few subtle improvements. The voice acting is extremely well done, with the likes of Keith David, Jen Taylor, Steve Downes, and David Scully reprising their roles. Jen Taylor's Cortana has some especially challenging scenes in this game, and I thought she did a great job with them. New (but familiar) voices also add their talents to the cast. Red vs. Blue viewers will recognize the name Burnie Burns, who is one of the voices of the generic soldiery, but fans of Joss Whedon's Firefly will have just as much to enjoy. Alan Tudyk and Adam Baldwin are also soldiers, and Nathan Fillion takes on the role of an NPC sergeant. I noted this during gameplay, actually, as Alan Tudyk's voice is ... distinct.

Martin O'Donnell composed the game's score, reprising his role from the two previous titles. If you've heard the moving music in the E3 2006 trailer you're already well aware of what that implies. Most of his compositions are much more low key, of course, but they nonetheless provide a welcome backdrop for the game's graphics, gameplay and story. The later levels especially benefit from this subtle but important reminder of what's at stake. The music serves as an obvious but not over-the-top pacing element. Ultimately Martin O'Donnell's compositions are the kind of music you'd be more than happy to listen to outside of the game; it's hard to see how you can pay a soundtrack a higher compliment.

Playback and Multiplay

The clearest sign that Halo 3 is a 'next generation' title is its online and playback components. Most startling are the game's video editing and level creation tools. The first time you'll play through the campaign, you'll find that you can relive the whole thing by reviewing the videos stored on your 360's hard drive. There's no need to set a special setting, it just does it automatically. From there, you can enter the recording and rewatch the whole thing, stopping to take screenshots or snip video clips. These clips and pictures are then viewable from your Bungie.net profile, proving your game mastery to awed onlookers. The real awe, for me, was stepping outside of the Chief to fly around the map as action progresses. If you recall a particularly cool moment - a really good grenade stick, for example - you can see what that looked like on the outside ... and take a picture of it. I haven't had much time or inclination to play around with the level creation tool (called the Forge), but it's incredibly robust. Think something along the lines of Gary's Mod for Half-Life 2, and you'll understand the possibilities in Bungie's generous tool offering.

I've talked extensively about the game's campaign mode, but for many gamers online multiplayer is the real reason to buy this game. And understandably so: if you participated in the Halo 3 multiplayer Beta a few months ago you're already well aware of that game element's polish level. The real draw for me, though, is the campaign co-op play. I played entirely through Gears of War three times because the co-op experience was so well done. Here Bungie has provided the opportunity for up to four players to participate in the entire campaign experience. Just as with the 'single player' campaign mode (which is really just co-op with bots), the entire experience will be recorded to your hard drive for later public mockery. Unlike in single-player, by doing a co-op session you and your team-mates participate in what the game's achievements call 'the metagame'. Players are scored on their play throughout the game, and netting a certain total score during a co-op session can earn you some gamerscore points.

As much time as the team has obviously taken on the game itself, it's great to see that they've fleshed out the experience with elements like this. Graphics aside, these playback and co-op components are truly what makes Halo 3 'next generation'.

Consider the Fight Finished

Halo 3, then, is just about everything a player of the previous games in the series could hope for. It looks good, it plays smoothly, and backstory fans are going to finally have some closure. There are obviously flaws, but none are so glaring or frustrating as to be worth more than a passing mention. Even the checkpoint thing, which I'm sure I have run into far more often than the average player, never stopped me from grinning at the chance to melee some more Brutes into submission.

In essence: Bungie has succeeded marvelously at bringing this trilogy to a close. The game's tight story is complete-able in Normal mode in about ten hours, and that feels just about right. At the end of the game you're left wanting more, but not feeling gypped. Folks who have been holding their breath for this since 2004 can relax; the only thing left to do now is play and have a good time. Halo 3 is fun. Any game - regardless of platform, generation, or genre - where you can finish up and immediately want to start playing again ... it's hard to call that anything but a success.

373 comments

  1. Online Co-op not a factor? by 666999 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The lack of online co-op doesn't seem as though it's a big deal any more, as we're not hearing much about it.

    I'm looking forward to checking it out at a friend's house, as I haven't bought any of the new consoles yet. If it's as good as expected, it could be the kicker that gets me to buy a 360. Online still isn't an option for those of us on dial-up (too slow) or satellite (Hughes, too much lag/loss), but the single-player looks like it will be a blast.

    The Ars Techinca review strictly deals with the single-player component, for those who are looking for another viewpoint (from another tech site that's not solely focused on gaming).

    1. Re:Online Co-op not a factor? by ivano · · Score: 1

      Isn't there 4 player co-op?

    2. Re:Online Co-op not a factor? by 666999 · · Score: 1

      Isn't there 4 player co-op?


      Only LAN, from what I've read. It's possible online will be added in an update. However, it's not made completely clear by any of the reviews I've read so far, so any definitive info would be appreciated.

      All the previews claimed it would be 4-player co-op online, then changed their story a few days later and claimed it would only be offline. None of the reviews I've read have cleared things up.
    3. Re:Online Co-op not a factor? by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The official word is as such:
      - Up to 2 players can play splitscreen on the same box.
      - Up to 4 players can play over Xbox Live or System Link (LAN)
      - The above can be combined in any way (e.g. 2 people on one box + 2 players over Xbox Live)

    4. Re:Online Co-op not a factor? by 666999 · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the clarification.

  2. I'm ... by corifornia2 · · Score: 0

    fap fap fapping.

    1. Re:I'm ... by Criterion · · Score: 1

      What does an Entropia Universe Fast Aid Pack (fap) have to do with any of this?

      http://www.entropedia.info/Chart.aspx?chart=FAP

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    2. Re:I'm ... by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      I may be missing something, but what exactly is the big deal about this?
      Having never played any of the Halo games, I don't know why this is getting so much attention.
      Is there something special about this game that makes it anything other than "just another FPS"?
      Is there something innovative about it that isn't immediately obvious? Or is it just the next Halo game with better graphics?
      I really don't see why people are saying this is going to be such a system seller.
      What sets this apart from something like Bioshock or Gears of War?

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    3. Re:I'm ... by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      "Hope this helps and now it is time for fanboys to roast my karma."

      And indeed they did.

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    4. Re:I'm ... by dabraun · · Score: 1

      Gears was a system seller (not like Halo will be but still significant) - Bioshock not so much. While I think Bioshock is a better game than either Halo 3 or Gears, because it's single player it doesn't have the same sort of network effect the others do. Sure, you see your friends playing it - but you don't have your friends harassing you to get it so that they can play it with you. That, and the fact that Bioshock is artsy (i.e. it's a freaking work of art), means that it has a smaller audience that's really going to 'get it'. The gameplay is great - but Bioshock's story makes it more - and if you haven't, for example, been exposed to Ayn Rand, you aren't all that likely to get it.

    5. Re:I'm ... by Criterion · · Score: 1

      "Having never played any of the Halo games"

      Well I see what your problem is right there.

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    6. Re:I'm ... by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is that there doesn't seem to be anything about the game that sets it apart from any other FPS game. It's just the one with a guy with a gold faceplate on his helmet.

      I still haven't seen nor heard anything about the game that makes me really want to play it, much less go out and buy the console to play it on.
      There just doesn't seem to be anything distinctive about it. I don't see how this is going to be a 'system seller'...

      I think their marketing division is doing a better job of getting me interested in gold-covered helmets than playing their game.

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    7. Re:I'm ... by Criterion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, fair enough. I must admit that when I knew nothing about it, I had no interest as well. I saw nothing but a somewhat nondescript lead character (lesson learned to not judge a book by it's cover). Not to mention I had already sworn that I would never buy an Xbox just because it was made by MS (heaven forbid anyone would think I'm a MS fan.. far from it). Then came the fateful day, when I was visiting a friend who was at the time, basically bedridden with a severe illness, who had gotten it to occupy his time and mind. Well, all I can say is, within 10 minutes of watching him play I was hypnotized. The music, gameplay and story taken together seemed to add up to much more than the sum of it's parts. It's just darn fun to play, has a wonderful control scheme, logical and intuitive. You can play with 3 of your friends all at the same time with 1 console, 1 copy of the game and 1 tv. The soundtrack is amazing, has won awards, and even now is my normal listening fare on a regular basis.

      It's late, and the best analogy I can come up with might be something to the effect of why should I be interested in Disneyworld when all I see is some mouse looking character with big ears. Yeah, it's bad, but relevant in a twisted, late night sorta way.

      To sum it up, gameplay, story, music, polish, fun and challenging. It's all there.

      My advice, find somebody who has Halo. That really shouldn't be too hard, honestly. Have a run at the level "Halo" or "Attack on the Control Room" (you'll want to use easy or normal difficulty your first time, you will get frustrated at higher difficulties or later levels until you know them like the back of your hand.. and set your thumbstick inverts and such to what feels normal to you). If you don't enjoy it, then the series is just not for you.

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  3. Read between the lines by martin_henry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year. That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?
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    1. Re:Read between the lines by svendsen · · Score: 4, Informative

      well not sure on this...but didn't halo 3 break all pre-order records? Do you think any other game on any other system this year will match its sales? For the entire gaming industry this is the big one for this year (whether you hate/love it).

    2. Re:Read between the lines by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the only such viewpoint would be "Halo 3 is the biggest game of the year." Only that would produce the statement that "Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year."

    3. Re:Read between the lines by duppyconqueror · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm holding out for DDK3D (Dance Dance Karnov 3D).

    4. Re:Read between the lines by soleblaze · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Halo 3 is the first system seller for this new generation of consoles. There hasn't really been any other games released on any of them that would make a lot of people go 'wow, I gotta drop $250-$600 just to play that!'

    5. Re:Read between the lines by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Ya I can agree with that. Maybe GoW, BioShock, and even Oblivion moved some units but ya nothing like Halo 3 will. When MGS4 comes out we will see a spike in Ps3 sales too.

    6. Re:Read between the lines by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      I say if a new Tetris or Minesweeper came out it would smoke them all :)

    7. Re:Read between the lines by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could look at it that way. But even as a non-XBox, non-Halo fan, I can see why they would call it that. There are the preorders for one, and then the merchandising. I was at Target a couple weeks ago and the had stacks upon stacks of these Halo preorder cards you coul buy. I've never seen anything like that. Nor have I seen anywhere near the level of merchandising (tie-ins at 7-11?) for any other game.

      So, while I don't give half a shit about Halo, clearly somebody does, for some odd reason. And it's huge.

    8. Re:Read between the lines by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I guess if you're using preorders to define significance, you've found one such viewpoint. To me, the statement "it's like the other two, only a lot moreso" sums it up really well. I don't even know that I consider the same game, re-heated and with extra spices and baked cheese on top, its own entity.

    9. Re:Read between the lines by archen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably not that far off though. PS3 sales have lagged. PS2 is considered dated. The Wii has outsold all other consoles (and will probably continue to widen the gap), however; people who game on the Wii are a lot more diversified in their gaming tastes and there will probably be no single game on the Wii that almost all Wii owners will buy. In contrast Xbox360 owners are mostly the "gamer" demographic that games like Halo tend to target. So looking at Xbox360 sales being alright, and most Xbox360 owners being the sort who will buy Halo, this is probably the biggest console game this year.

      Of course the reality is that World of Warcraft is still the biggest game of the year...

    10. Re:Read between the lines by Trillan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Also worth noting: Halo 3 has not lived up to Halo 2's preorders.

    11. Re:Read between the lines by edwdig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're forgetting that the Wii is selling largely because of Wii Sports. It's not selling it to the kind of person who buys a system because of Halo, but it certainly is selling a LOT of systems. Probably more than Halo will.

    12. Re:Read between the lines by LarsWestergren · · Score: 0, Troll

      >>From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year.
      >That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?


      Exactly... and even there it is debatable. For XBox360 owners with taste, the biggest games of the year are Bioshock or Mass Effect. PC DEVELOPERS! COME BACK TO US! ALL IS FORGIVEN! *sobs*

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    13. Re:Read between the lines by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      I was going to mention Metroid, but I think you're right. I think most who are Metroid fans probably already bought a Wii.

    14. Re:Read between the lines by raitchison · · Score: 1

      IMO MGS4 will have about the same impact on console sales as Bioshock. In order to see a PS3 console seller like Halo 3 you will need to wait for GT5.

    15. Re:Read between the lines by jppatton1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, you'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. . . .

    16. Re:Read between the lines by AVIDJockey · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that the Wii is selling largely because of Wii Sports. It's not selling it to the kind of person who buys a system because of Halo, but it certainly is selling a LOT of systems. Probably more than Halo will.

      Mod parent up. This is a very true.

      Whether you believe the controllers are revolutionary or not, there's not doubt that bundling the system with something as accessible and interactive as Wii Sports made all of the difference. I don't think I would have dropped loot on a Wii if it had been bundled with Metroid or some Mario title (I would have just picked up a 360 at the time).

    17. Re:Read between the lines by vimh42 · · Score: 1

      "That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?"

      Or just the view of people caught up in the hype. Their excessive marketing for the game annoys me.

      To me, bigger games have come out this year and there may yet be a few on the horizon. My next 360 game purchase won't be Halo3. Maybe when it hits the bargain bin. Maybe they will have a demo and I can give it a try to see if that would change my mind.

    18. Re:Read between the lines by ady1 · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was thinking. In fact not even them. The xbox360 owners I know, have bought bioshock but no one is that interested in buying Halo3. Why is it on Slashdot exactly?

    19. Re:Read between the lines by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 1

      That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?

      Yeah, I think the millions of people playing Burning Crusade (which came out this year) might just out do this game.

    20. Re:Read between the lines by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?"

      Well, as a fanboy of another console, I probably could turn my head and pretend that Halo doesn't have a number of people salivating over it. That'd make me willfully ignorant, though.

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    21. Re:Read between the lines by spir0 · · Score: 1

      no, from the point of view of the Halo fanboy. I am a 360 owner, but I'm saving my money for Sega Rally.

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    22. Re:Read between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the Horde

      Jim

    23. Re:Read between the lines by voxel · · Score: 1

      Correct. It does not count you Atari 2600 gamers. For the rest of the world, it's the most pre-ordered game ever, and will most likely be the most in sales.

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    24. Re:Read between the lines by Klickoris · · Score: 0

      I hear you. I think over a dozen people in my grade have pre-ordered Halo 3 (no small feat either, especially when you consider that my school has less than a hundred kids in my grade.) and I simply refuse to get hyped about it. They all talk about how it's going to be 'GOTY', and when I ask them why, the answer is more often than not '.....because it's Halo'. I might get it for Christmas, but probably not. Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed will be out by then. I'd much rather push my paychecks toward those two than Halo.

    25. Re:Read between the lines by antic · · Score: 1

      Swear I read somewhere that Halo 3 pre-orders had topped those of Halo 2.

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    26. Re:Read between the lines by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 1

      I think most who are Metroid fans probably already bought a Wii.


      Except for the masses of us who have never seen a Wii in the wild, of course.
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    27. Re:Read between the lines by yanos · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't that the fault of the marketing department? They know how to increase hype, and they probably got a ultra wide budget to do so.

    28. Re:Read between the lines by antic · · Score: 1

      Quick spot of anecdotal evidence - I spent $750 on my 360 pretty much just to play Gears of War. A friend of mine is buying a 360 today to get Halo 3.

      And I'd say that Wii Sports (as pointed out by others) would be selling a tonne of Wii consoles.

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    29. Re:Read between the lines by dabraun · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't that the fault of the marketing department?


      Since when is being incredibly successful at what you were tasked with doing described with the word "fault"? Unless you're saying that they wasted their money and that they aren't going to make it back in sales and brand visibility. I find that, umm, extremely unlikely.
    30. Re:Read between the lines by timeOday · · Score: 1

      That would be the point of view of Xbox 360 owners only, correct?
      Not if Halo 3 causes a surge in XBox 360 sales. My guess is it will.
    31. Re:Read between the lines by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      Also worth noting: Halo 3 has not lived up to Halo 2's preorders. If you define "lived up to" as "equal or greater than," then Halo 3 has at least barely lived up to Halo 2's preorders (if you believe Microsoft). From a Market Intelligence Center article (also covered in other publications):
      • MSFT Microsoft announced today the launch of its new "Halo 3" game, which goes on sale at midnight Monday. The company announced it had received more than 1.5 million pre-orders for the game and expects to "shatter entertainment sales records."
      As we all know, Halo 2 had 1.5 million pre-orders.
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    32. Re:Read between the lines by Criterion · · Score: 1

      No, I think pretty much that's the point of view of anyone that doesn't have their eyes closed, hands over their ears saying "La la la la.. I don't see or hear anything.. la la la la...".

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    33. Re:Read between the lines by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1


      Re:Read between the lines
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      Heh, Halo fanboys are really touchy it seems... :)

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    34. Re:Read between the lines by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      OMG Karnov!!!

      Big half-naked Russian circusmen from hell!

      OMG Ponies!

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    35. Re:Read between the lines by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      H3 is obviously no small feat. But let's just wait until pre-orders open up for Smash Bros Brawl. Melee sold ALMOST as many units as Halo 2 on a system that had slightly less of a userbase. Let's face it, the Smash series has grown a HUGE following since Melee, and it's now on the dominant system of its generation. I think it'll probably be safe to say that Brawl will outsell Halo 3 by a quite a few units. Not by the end of the year, obviously, but in final sales.

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    36. Re:Read between the lines by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Point taken... although I wouldn't put it past Brawl to outsell Halo 3. Nothing else on the Wii will, of course, but the Smash series practically tied the Halo series in its last outing, and the series has grown its following considerably since then. Don't count it out just quite yet.

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    37. Re:Read between the lines by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      I smell bullshit. I don't have a 360, I've never owned an XBox, and I've hardly ever played Halo, but even I know when something's huge. Was Bioshock one of the best recieved games on the decade? No question. Was it bought with a furvor, by many, that can only be described as religiously induced? Without a doubt. Will it have any chance in even coming close to Halo 3's sales or hype? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

      Remember, a title doesn't have to be good or well-loved to be popular. And I'm not saying that Halo 3 isn't. But I'll tell ya, if I had a 360, I'd probably buy Halo, and I don't even really care about the game. Marketing is JUST THAT POWERFUL (as an advertiser, I can attest to that). You're friends, as strange as it feels to say this, are in the vast minority there. It's not uncommon for small pockets of people to not follow the trend of the time, but don't let that fool you into thinking that that's the whole. The fact is, Halo 3 is going to make Bioshock look like an utter failior in comparison.

      This comes from a person who's favorite game is Ico, and who's favorite TV show was Twin Peaks... two incredible works that are deemed money-making desasters in their respective genres.

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    38. Re:Read between the lines by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 1

      That would be pretty awesome. But yeah, I can't imagine Halo 3 having huge sales after all the existing fanbase picks it up. Sure they'll still trickle in. But everyone who would buy an XB360 for it already has or will soon. So MS will see a spike in sales, and then it will quickly return to the status quo.

    39. Re:Read between the lines by ady1 · · Score: 1
      Why are you defending Halo then if you haven't played it and don't even know how stupid it is? Another Microsoft Shill writing long stories to defend crappy MS product.
      So what if you like some unknown game or TV show, does it makes your opinion more credible?

      The fact is, Halo 3 is going to make Bioshock look like an utter failior in comparison. So just because you think automatically makes it a fact? How much do you get per post from Redmond?
    40. Re:Read between the lines by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0, Troll

      That's just a marketing department trying to drum up hype and get people to bye a failing game console. They even paid G4 to run their goofy "Live Halo 3 Countdown." Everyone who has told me they want to buy Halo 3 has also told me Microsoft has their Xbox 360 in for repairs. *snicker*

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    41. Re:Read between the lines by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      I think friggin' Brain Age in Japan or one of the Pokemon games holds the title of #1 in preorders, as usual. These "hardcore" titles are becoming a thing of the past...and playing consoles with little analog joysticks just makes me laugh.

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    42. Re:Read between the lines by LuckyPossum · · Score: 1

      Worth noting that the installed base of the 360 currently is nowhere near that of the X-Box at the release of Halo 2. The original X-box had been out for a year longer than the 360 has now.

    43. Re:Read between the lines by necrozen · · Score: 1

      SSBB will smoke Halo 3. Despite the rampant, smashed in your face M$-engineered hype of H3, no one really seems to care - at least not around here. I mean, a few folks I know who have xbox 360's mentioned in passing that they were thinking about getting it, but then you look at the fact that - just the other night 15 of us went bowling and the dominant topic of the nigh'ts discussion was our speculation of how awesome SSBB is going to be. A complete stranger even got into the conversation. It's not engineered hype, but rather, honest excitement and it's pretty widespread. SSBB will definately outsell H3, and will do so with hardly any money burnt on commercializing the game - it'll be sold on excitement and word of mouth.

    44. Re:Read between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is a great nintendo fan tactic. "the highest selling game of all time is the wii pack-in! its ratio to system sales is 1 to 1!!!"

  4. Halo 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our alien killing overlords... ?

  5. Damn shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will sell thousands of 360s? That will be a disappointment to Microsoft.

  6. gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats a racial epithet.

    maybe if you spent less time playing mindlessly violent video games, and instead reading history and sociology books, you would know that.

    1. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's actually an American-coined term. Maybe if you spent less time hiding behind AC, looking for racism where none exists, and instead reading history and sociology books, you would know that. You'd also know that there are very, very few Romas (as they call themselves) in the U.S. So, the possibility that it is based on a racial slur is not only unlikely but as of yet still unproven.

      But, hey, welcome to the 21st century where context means nothing as long as someone can be offended by a combination of letters.

      "There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words, in and of themselves. They're only words. It's the context that counts. It's the user. It's the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about 'bad words' and 'bad language.' Bullsh*t! It's the context that makes them good or bad." -- George Carlin

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    2. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by ianare · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bullsh*t! You self-censured yourself when saying that words are neutral and innocent, therefore you must not believe what you say !

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    3. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kills me is that the retard says he's not a gypsy himself, so he doesn't even have any irons in the fire. I bet he doesn't even KNOW any gypsies (I do, personally, and THEY use the term "gypped" themselves).

      How funny:

      It's none of his business;

      he has no reason to be offended;

      still, he CHOOSES to be offended;

      and he CHOOSES to jump all over someone because they said a naughty thing in his highly questionable opinion.

      Basically this is somebody making himself feel good by ranting on a stranger.

      The guy's so far up his own butt he'll probably end up a singularity. I hope it doesn't migrate to Earth's core and doom us all...

    4. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you let yourself loosen up and played some games you wouldn't be such a 1930's history nazi.

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    5. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

      :) Touché. I hope that no one gets offended by my using the French word for "touch" -- sexual harassment and all of that...

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    6. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Unproven but highly likely as others have pointed out. They can't find any other lead on it's origin. As well "gypsied" was also used as a term for being cheated at one time. Seems a bit too similar to completely disavow the connection.

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    7. Re:gypped? what is this 1939 berlin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually an American-coined term. Maybe if you spent less time hiding behind AC, looking for racism where none exists, and instead reading history and sociology books, you would know that.

      But, hey, welcome to the 21st century where context means nothing as long as someone can be offended by a combination of letters.

      Shit, king-panic didn't accuse anyone of being a racist. He merely tried to inform the ignorant of the racist origins of the word "gypped." If you didn't know "nigger" was a racist word, wouldn't you want someone to let you know?

      Stop being such an over-sensitive girly-man. ;-)

  7. Second opinion. by peterpi · · Score: 4, Funny

    UK Resistance has another review here

  8. Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur. Might as well just say jewed or chinked or niggered. Your doing the same thing. Associating an ethnic group with a negative stereo type. Maybe you should just say "not feeling ripped off" or "feeling they got their moneys worth". I am not of that ethnic group but I find it offensive when someone says "jewed" or calls me "slanty eyed".

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    1. Re:Gypped by fishdan · · Score: 1

      I appreciate you informing me of this in a non-preachy way so that I was able to actually read and digest. I had never realized the etymology of gypped (which I had always spelled 'Jipped'). I will try to amend my vocabulary.

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    2. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see that you have not been niggardly with your opinions.

    3. Re:Gypped by giorgiofr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe he should say what he feels like saying and you should grow a thicker skin.

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    4. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gyp is nowhere near the in the same league as jewed (are chinked or niggered even words?). Although it is likely that it has its origins from the word gypsy, the fact that it originated in the U.S (which has no anti-gypsy bias to speak of) means that it was never meant as a slur. Heck, "Indian Summer" is far more of a slur than gyp is (as Indian being used to mean false). So get over yourself.

    5. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Romani, I have only one thing to say: Bengesko niamso

    6. Re:Gypped by milatchi · · Score: 0

      "how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur."
      "Maybe you should just say "not feeling ripped off""
      I wonder if you are aware that 'ripped off' is a cultural slur, and I find myself deeply offended by your lack of tact. As for Gypsies, I'm willing to bet that you sir have never had your house painted by a Gypsy, and had it rain the next day and wash all the paint away. Also I was not aware Gypsies were a race.

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    7. Re:Gypped by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, how about you quit being a crybaby. Growing up, I was always taught "words can never hurt me." Perhaps you should stop letting words have such power over you, and move on with your life. Honkey and cracker could be equally as offensive to me as a white person, but I never give a shit when anyone uses them.

    8. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Gyp is nowhere near the in the same league as jewed (are chinked or niggered even words?). Although it is likely that it has its origins from the word gypsy, the fact that it originated in the U.S (which has no anti-gypsy bias to speak of) means that it was never meant as a slur. Heck, "Indian Summer" is far more of a slur than gyp is (as Indian being used to mean false). So get over yourself.

      The Entomology of that is also questionable. It may have come into common usage in the US but it still refers back to Gypsies/Roma. Do some digging.

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    9. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet many pikeys play up to a stereotype and would consider the term a compliment, a badge of honor. Statistically gypsies are more likely to take you in a business deal and black youths are more likely to mug you. Political correctness has done nothing to change this and is therefore a lie that's just as offensive as the stereotypes it seeks to defeat.

      So how about not being gypped by the PC brigade?

    10. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found myself in college taking a senior-level Anthropology course to fulfill some requirement or other, and ending up doing a long research paper on the Gypsy culture.

      Without fail, every single scholarly resource I found for research said something along these lines:
      Gypsies have been unfairly maligned as being treacherous, thieving, dishonest, etc...
      Then the source would go on to give copious quantities of evidence about Gypsies embodying these traits.

      Not a troll, just sharing what I found...

    11. Re:Gypped by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the comment, I was aware of this one, but all too many of my friends take slurs for granted without even meaning harm. For instance, I worked in web development a while back and I always pronounced W.A.P. as wop, which is apparently a slur against Italians.

      On the one hand, its really offensive to the party who you're unintentionally insulting, but on the other if you're truly ignorant of its meaning it means there are people born and raised without racism, etc.. and I'd say thats a healthy ignorance.

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    12. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Wow, how about you quit being a crybaby. Growing up, I was always taught "words can never hurt me." Perhaps you should stop letting words have such power over you, and move on with your life. Honkey and cracker could be equally as offensive to me as a white person, but I never give a shit when anyone uses them.

      I am personally enraged when someone uses an Asian racial slur around me. Words are part of culture and they can hurt you. Why was my great great grandfather not allowed to bring his family over from china or get payed a decent wage for taking the dangerous jobs building the Canadian railway? because there was a tight cultural connection between Chink,Chinese and china men with Sub human in the minds of the people of Canada. The whole PC thing is to help break this up. If kids aren't taught "jewed", "chink", "nigger" etc.. it helps prevent them from making such associations. As a non white guy I was harassed with racial slurs most my life and often it would come with violence. So really you don't know what it feels like until you are the only Asian kid in a class of 30 white kids. It's even worse if you're poor and their affluent.

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    13. Re:Gypped by camperdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the first I've heard of "gypped" being an ethnic slur. Who is it an ethnic slur against, and more to the point, who cares what it's origins are? It currently means "ripped off".

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    14. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny. Last I checked "Gypsy" was not a race... Nor is "jew"... I, being a Native American (redundant, isn't it???), am particularly sensitive to racism and intolerance, and prejudice. While I do not tolerate intolerance myself (funny...), I believe what you are referring is "prejudice"

    15. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of healthy ignorance, I always thought it was Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a tiger by the toe until I saw the thing about the southwest flight attendant offending someone when using the rhyme to select a seat.

    16. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the clarification, friend!
      This reviewer nearly niggered us readers with his carelessly non-PC language.

    17. Re:Gypped by thegnu · · Score: 1

      The Entomology of that is also questionable. It may have come into common usage in the US but it still refers back to Gypsies/Roma. Do some digging.

      Plus, we're a nation of immigrants. You forgot to mention that. And micks hate the gypsies. Luckily, there aren't really that many micks in the US. Fucking micks. :D

      (I'm somewhat mick myself, btw)
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    18. Re:Gypped by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      I've known about the 'gyp' controversy for quite a while, and after reading about it more and more, I'd have to say that it is not a racial slur in and of itself.

      here is one source that tries to show multiple (and distinct) etymologies: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm

      I can't cite more source, because they came from dead-tree books on word origins.

      IMO, this word is akin to other words such as 'niggardly,' a word with a very distinct etymology and meaning from the offensive word that it resembles.
      I would never use 'niggardly' in normal conversation, since most people don't know what it means and would react to the perceived meaning of it, but to declare it off-limits just because of some racial nonsense would be disingenuous.

      If ever 'gyp' was used with racial connotations, that is no longer the case, especially here in the U.S. The only people who even think to associate 'gyp' with 'gypsy' are the self-righteous ones who make a huge deal out of it.

      my two cents.
      -b

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    19. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " The Entomology of that is also questionable. It may have come into common usage in the US but it still refers back to Gypsies/Roma. Do some digging." *Entomology* I do not think that word means what you think it means... probably just a bug in the submittal process... try etymology

    20. Re:Gypped by Looshi · · Score: 1

      Right. I believe that once it becomes part of the common language it doesn't matter. The racial connotations just aren't there anymore. Etymology is just that, history. I've used the word all my life, and like the others, never made the connection to it being a slur.

    21. Re:Gypped by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      It's even worse if you're poor and their affluent.

      Not necessarily. Quite often the other way around. Ask the German Jews circa the 1930's or the Chinese living in Indonesia.

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    22. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am personally enraged when someone uses an Asian racial slur around me. "

      I am personally enraged when people try to limit my freedom of speech in any form, including racial slurs. They are horrendous, but that is no excuse to violate my 1st amendment rights.

      "Words are part of culture and they can hurt you. "

      This is always the first thing those attempting to limit my speech try, and your attempt is no different and no less wrong than all the others before you. You can allow words to hurt you, there is a vast difference.

      "Why was my great great grandfather not allowed to bring his family over from china or get payed a decent wage for taking the dangerous jobs building the Canadian railway?"

      Because those were the conditions he accepted when he came here. I know, I know, personal responsibility has lost its cool, but there it is, get over it. He chose to accept the terms.

      "The whole PC thing is to help break this up"

      No, the whole "PC thing" is to teach us that certain words and thoughts are harmful. The end result being, things that cause harm are dangerous, and dangerous things can be outlawed. You're allowing your thoughts to be censored (indirectly) by buying into this "PC thing". Good job there.

      "As a non white guy I was harassed..."

      Funny, as a non-popular guy I was harassed. Why is it you think that your harassment is any different or worse? And what on earth makes you think that your "hurt" is a good enough reason to override the 1st amendment?

    23. Re:Gypped by beavioso · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is an ethnic slur to Gypsies. I am not that informed on the subject, but it probably refers to the nomadic people of Eastern Europe, and the term basically labels them all as cheats.

    24. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      I am personally enraged when people try to limit my freedom of speech in any form, including racial slurs. They are horrendous, but that is no excuse to violate my 1st amendment rights.

      Did I say you couldn't say that? I said you shouldn't say that. There is a very important distinction. You should be limited by law in your ability to shout fire in a crowded place. You should be limited by your own personal sense of bad-taste not to call your black neighbor "nigger". Your first amendment right is not to be censored by your government. Last time I looked I am not your government. It says you may express any opinion and the Government shall not seek to pass laws limiting this. It doesn't say that other groups can't frown upon certain language and object to you using it. As I said in another post. Say what ever you want, but you are responsible for the consequences of those actions. Freedom of speech is not freedom form consequences of that speech. If you call me a chink you will have to deal with a very irate Asian guy. I will stop short of violence but I will react negatively to you.

      This is always the first thing those attempting to limit my speech try, and your attempt is no different and no less wrong than all the others before you. You can allow words to hurt you, there is a vast difference.

      Limit speech and consequences of speech are two separate issues. If I murder everyone who calls Macdonald's "fifthy mcnasties" then I am limiting free speech. If I give you a cold shoulder or object to you calling me a chink thats just a consequence of your actions. Words are very powerful things. The assumptions they cannot hurt you is extremely naive. They are weighted with cultural and emotional attachments. The only ones truly unhurt by any words are sociopaths.

      No, the whole "PC thing" is to teach us that certain words and thoughts are harmful. The end result being, things that cause harm are dangerous, and dangerous things can be outlawed. You're allowing your thoughts to be censored (indirectly) by buying into this "PC thing". Good job there.

      rights have responsibilities. Do as you will but you have no logical or moral grounds to object if other behave negatively towards you. The whole PC thing is not entirely out to get free speech. It's a critical reaction to some speech and unfortunately sometimes it resorts to censorship. But the idea itself doesn't have to be that way.

      Funny, as a non-popular guy I was harassed. Why is it you think that your harassment is any different or worse? And what on earth makes you think that your "hurt" is a good enough reason to override the 1st amendment?

      again first amendment means nothing like you think it means. You were harrassed. Was that right? no? so how does that justify me being harassed on racial grounds? non sequitur.

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    25. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he should say what he feels like saying

      And the parent post had an equal right to disagree and complain about the usage of the word 'gyped'.

      If the parent poster was offended and kept his mouth shut, they wouldn't develop a 'thicker skin'. You get a thicker skin by standing up for your beliefs, not by remaining quiet.

    26. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once it becomes part of the common language it doesn't matter. The racial connotations just aren't there anymore. Etymology is just that, history. I've used the word all my life, and like the others, never made the connection to it being a slur.

      Please don't confuse your ignorance for an ill-conceived notion of linguistic purity. Your argument doesn't even make sense. If you accept that etymology is history, aren't you bound to recognize that history? That is, unless you take up the position that words are "just so" and not weighed down by usage both past and present. Make me wonder what other choice phrases you consider fair game for the modern English speaker.

      But feel free to continue to pepper your verbal exchanges with 'gypped' even after knowing now its origin. It provides a handy reference to how others should gauge your remarks.

    27. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked in TV for so long, I've always seen that word (and spelled it 'jipped') from a television point of view...JIP being an acronym for Join In Progress (due to the length of the 2007 Daytona 500, we now join Stargate, already in progress). Having to deal with JIPs when you work in master control, you feel like you're getting ripped off, so you end up with a similar meaning without any thought to the other origin.

    28. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, my copy of the Oxford English Dictionary lists "gyp" as 19th century, origin unknown. Gyp may be derived from gypsy, it's certainly plausible, but it's not a fact.

    29. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you knew your European history, it should be pretty easy to figure out what 'gypped' means. It is an Ethnic slur against 'Gypsies', which usually refers to the Romani people of Europe.

      Europeans like to blame Gypsies for theft, petty crimes, pickpocketing, getting ripped-off, etc. It's largely bias, but the words have traveled here to America as well.

      It's largely bias, and an good example of racism in Europe. The Romani have been in Europe for hundreds of years, but are still considered outsiders by many Europeans. In many Eastern European countries, Romani are the only significant ethnic minority, and are usually much poorer then the ethic majority--- and it's not surprising that they get an unfair share of the blame.

    30. Re:Gypped by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am personally enraged when someone uses an Asian racial slur around me. Words are part of culture and they can hurt you.

      No, they don't hurt. YOU get yourself upset. You choose it. You can choose to not let it affect you.

      Why was my great great grandfather not allowed to bring his family over from china or get payed a decent wage for taking the dangerous jobs building the Canadian railway? because there was a tight cultural connection between Chink,Chinese and china men with Sub human in the minds of the people of Canada. The whole PC thing is to help break this up. If kids aren't taught "jewed", "chink", "nigger" etc.. it helps prevent them from making such associations. As a non white guy I was harassed with racial slurs most my life and often it would come with violence. So really you don't know what it feels like until you are the only Asian kid in a class of 30 white kids. It's even worse if you're poor and their affluent.

      Bullshit. People will come up with different words. You're not going to stop racism by banning derogatory terms. PC is nothing be censorship and pretending to fix problems instead of actually fixing them.

      And believe me, you don't need to be Asian to be called names. I was in a school that was all white, and I was called names for other things. I didn't hurt me, I didn't let it define me. I suggest you do the same.

    31. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Did I say you couldn't say that? I said you shouldn't say that."

      There is no practical difference.

      "Limit speech and consequences of speech are two separate issues."

      If the consequences are legal in nature, then yes you are limiting speech.

      "It says you may express any opinion and the Government shall not seek to pass laws limiting this."

      But it has, and they're called hate crime laws, and people like you talking about "shoulds" are responsible. So, you can try to argue that absent laws from the government we're simply discussing what would be considered polite behavior, but the presence of those laws means that your argument is false.

      "so how does that justify me being harassed on racial grounds? non sequitur."

      I agree, so why did you include it? Your point has nothing to do with mine.

      "again first amendment means nothing like you think it means. "

      Well, one of us is defending hateful, vile speech and the other is trying to find backdoor arguments to limit it.

      So forgive me if I think your opinion of what the 1st amendment leans is useless, but perhaps if you weren't arguing for censorship, I'd change my mind.

      But you are, so I won't. Get back to me if you ever bother reading the 1st amendment instead of pretending you have like you did in this post.

    32. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur.

      Words evolve. If nobody associates gypped with a particular group then there is no slur, unlike your other examples. In fact, I'd guess that not only do people not associate gypped with gypsies, most people don't even know what gypsy means.

    33. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      No, they don't hurt. YOU get yourself upset. You choose it. You can choose to not let it affect you.

      Emotions are often part of your circuitry. You may choose to ignore your wife/husband cheating on you but that isn't the default reaction for most of humanity. Someone might call me a geek. That is derogatory as well but I am proud of that title. It's less weighted then "chink" and Geeks have reclaimed the word.Words carry emotional weight. The absence of a emotional reaction to heavily weighted words like racial slurs is actually a sign of sociopathy. I assure you I am likely not a sociopath.

      Bullshit. People will come up with different words. You're not going to stop racism by banning derogatory terms. PC is nothing be censorship and pretending to fix problems instead of actually fixing them.

      And believe me, you don't need to be Asian to be called names. I was in a school that was all white, and I was called names for other things. I didn't hurt me, I didn't let it define me. I suggest you do the same.


      who said ban them. I only outlined the link and stated why PC had some legitimate motivations. PC is an extension of the idea that language influence thought processes. The language you use taints the thoughts you have. There is some empirical data for this. I am uncertain of how strong the correlation is. I do not believe in banning speech. I do not believe you can are absolved from all responsibility of your speech however. So while you may call someone a nigger. You are more then within your rights as a human being. You must deal with the emotional reaction you will invoke in everyone who hears you and if you did so in a public forum, you may have to deal with hostility from a certain community.

      It invokes such a reaction in minorities because it highlights your powerlessness. It taunts us by saying "look, due to how you were born you are worth less then me." You may have moved past that but it doesn't make it a non-issue. I can't help being asian. I may be able to stop being a geek/nerd/emo/goth/airhead/jock/drama geek/burn out/loser/punk but I can;t stop being asian.

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    34. Re:Gypped by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

      "Gyp is nowhere near the in the same league as jewed (are chinked or niggered even words?). "

      Agreed.
      "Gypped" is more akin to "Welched", as in "He welched on paying off our bet". For some reason or another, the Welsh gained a rep among the English for not paying off debts, and thus the verb "welch" came into being. But the thing is, today 99.999% of people that use "welch" or "gypped" have no idea that it originally referred to a particular ethnic group (which is why "gypped" is spelled "jipped" a lot of the time). As such, it's nowhere in the same league as "Jewed", etc, where the ethnicity in question is clear, and therefore the bigotry is also clear.

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    35. Re:Gypped by plague3106 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Emotions are often part of your circuitry. You may choose to ignore your wife/husband cheating on you but that isn't the default reaction for most of humanity. Someone might call me a geek. That is derogatory as well but I am proud of that title. It's less weighted then "chink" and Geeks have reclaimed the word.Words carry emotional weight. The absence of a emotional reaction to heavily weighted words like racial slurs is actually a sign of sociopathy. I assure you I am likely not a sociopath.

      What, are you a physchologist now? No, then STFU with your sociopathy crap. Geek used to be an insult; the fact that you now take pride in it proves my point. You CHOOSE to let a word offend you or not. Just like you can choose the reaction to your significant other cheating on you.

      who said ban them. I only outlined the link and stated why PC had some legitimate motivations. PC is an extension of the idea that language influence thought processes. The language you use taints the thoughts you have. There is some empirical data for this. I am uncertain of how strong the correlation is. I do not believe in banning speech. I do not believe you can are absolved from all responsibility of your speech however. So while you may call someone a nigger. You are more then within your rights as a human being. You must deal with the emotional reaction you will invoke in everyone who hears you and if you did so in a public forum, you may have to deal with hostility from a certain community.

      Um, in case you've been under a rock, PC IS all about banning "offensive" content. Games, movies, books, WORDS. To say its not is an outright lie.

      The science you're quoting doesn't support your theory. It doesn't show that certain words can actually hurt you.

      It invokes such a reaction in minorities because it highlights your powerlessness. It taunts us by saying "look, due to how you were born you are worth less then me." You may have moved past that but it doesn't make it a non-issue. I can't help being asian. I may be able to stop being a geek/nerd/emo/goth/airhead/jock/drama geek/burn out/loser/punk but I can;t stop being asian.

      It invokes those and upsets you because you let it. You can easily choose not too. I couldn't choose to be short either. If you let words upset you that much, you surely have a self image problem... but its your problem, and you need to deal with it. You must think there is some truth behind the taunts, because otherwise it wouldn't bother you to hear them. People can call me stupid, I don't care, because I know I'm not.

      They are words, get over it already.

    36. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1


      What, are you a physchologist now? No, then STFU with your sociopathy crap. Geek used to be an insult; the fact that you now take pride in it proves my point. You CHOOSE to let a word offend you or not. Just like you can choose the reaction to your significant other cheating on you


      Need I be? need you be a Civil liberties lawyer to make a comment on free speech?

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    37. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the great thing about slang is that it's different in every single country. gyp isn't a racial slur in my country.

    38. Re:Gypped by realthing02 · · Score: 1

      Black youths are statistically more likely to mug you? Maybe black youths are arrested more often than white youths, but that doesn't exactly imply that black youths are more likely to mug you.

      What if you live in a state with very few black people? does your argument still hold water?

    39. Re:Gypped by realthing02 · · Score: 1

      So the British shouldn't call a cigarette a fag?

    40. Re:Gypped by tricorn · · Score: 1

      I've always been amusedat people who use "butt naked", not realizingthat it is a corruption of a racial slur on Native Americans, "buck naked".

    41. Re:Gypped by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

      shame on you Homer. Or maybe it is not the same thing.
      http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/poitier/135/jip.wav

      And shame on me for remembering Simpsons episodes I saw 10 years ago or something like that.... and then for googleing for a clip.

    42. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it means that Americans shouldn't call a gay man a 'fag'.

      You reversed the example.

      The word 'fag' began as one thing, and was then derogatorily assigned to mean 'gay men' later.

      The words 'gypped' probably always meant gypsy, and was probably always derogatory. It never meant anything else.

    43. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish you had mentioned which racial group, because I seriously have no idea.

    44. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The term gypped is predominantly British slang. The "Gypsies" we have here in Britain are mostly not actually Roma, they're a collection of people who choose the itinerant lifestyle, rather than being of Roma descent. Given that the lifestyle includes copious amounts of theft, vandalism, squatting, littering and practically any other crime you can think to name, I don't see a problem with using Gypped as a derogatory word.

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    45. Re:Gypped by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Need I be? need you be a Civil liberties lawyer to make a comment on free speech?

      The law does not create rights, you have them as a human. You can arrive at them, rather simply, through logic, or based on western religious theory (possibly eastern, I'm not sure).

      Attributing one specific behavior as sociopath, yes, to do that you'll need to be a physchologist. Especially going by your over-simplified definition; not letting a word you were taught to be upset at, not upset you. I seriously doubt that comes anywhere close to being able to torture someone and not feel the slightest bit of empathy for that person. That's what sociopaths do (and you can pick that up from a REAL physchologist by watching the show Most Evil).

    46. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      The law does not create rights, you have them as a human. You can arrive at them, rather simply, through logic, or based on western religious theory (possibly eastern, I'm not sure).

      Attributing one specific behavior as sociopath, yes, to do that you'll need to be a physchologist. Especially going by your over-simplified definition; not letting a word you were taught to be upset at, not upset you. I seriously doubt that comes anywhere close to being able to torture someone and not feel the slightest bit of empathy for that person. That's what sociopaths do (and you can pick that up from a REAL physchologist by watching the show Most Evil).


      Rights aren't universal. Many make logical sense. But ultimately law itself is a artificial construct. If your lucky then the people with the means to create violence were idealists and the laws where you live are progressive and logical. If your not they can be very arcane and extremely unfair. The point of law is to arbitrate what is fair without having to be omniscient. For instance many people refer to the first amendment. As written it's a prohibition against the state limiting speech and thought through legislation. Meaning My critic of people using Racial slurs and racial slurs ought not be banned through legislation and I'll agree on both counts. The spirit behind it was to ensure all of the separate tribes of folk that made up America would be allowed to go about their business in peace. That if one group attained power, it ought not disadvantage the others by outlawing their beliefs, practices, and ideologies. It doesn't say that we should remove emotional weightings of various words. Nor does it say that we should consider "nigger" "chink" "gook" "kike" "mic" "wop" etc.. acceptable part of everyday language. You may resent that others look down on you for using those words but none of us have enacted government legislation to ban such language. I would not support it. So Zonk used "gypped" I mentioned it was a slur. I stated I would prefer more neutral language. This is free speech.

      Psychology. I've taken up to 3xx level courses on abnormal psyche. Sociopaths aren't necessarily the torture animals kind. They have difficulty with aspects of social norms. Thus it gets lumped in with psychopaths in the designation for "antisocial Personality disorders" covering a whole spectrum of anti-social behaviors and symptoms. One of the side effects of one of the symptoms is the inability to respond to emotionally weighted words like "murder", "bitch", "fuck", "cunt", "chink", "nigger" etc.. This is one of a set of possible symptoms. Indeed in the extreme a person with a severe Anti-social disorder could slowly skin a woman alive while she screams then get dressed and go to church like nothign happened. In milder forms they issues with right and wrong and impulse control. Some just have issues with their inability to think of anyone but themselves. They are often also emotionally immature. They can also be aggressive. A combinations of some of these symptoms would flag someone as having a anti-social personality disorder (sociopath/psychopath).

      The point it, by default most of humanity will respond to just words. Remember the pen is mightier then the sword because ideas can have real effects on society and people and words are merely symbols for ideas. So If someone gave you the finger while your drove for a large swath of humanity they will feel some anger. More if they felt they didn't deserve it. But thats just a gesture. The words "IRS audit" has a healthy negative effect due to the weighting of those words. Even if you have nothign to hide. "You are a fucking moron" has an effect. Depending on who is saying it. Random strangers like me to you it means nothing. Your boss, your father, your teacher, your wife, or your kids. Now it carries emotional weight. So I may ignore someone who doesn't know me like you. I cannot ignore my peers nor authority figures to the same extent. If it's habitual eventually it has more then an emotional response. Some ha

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    47. Re:Gypped by sqrt(2) · · Score: 1

      I always agreed with this way of thinking. You choose how your own emotions are manifested. When I was taking German in high school I found it interesting how you construct a sentence similar to, "That makes me mad.", literally you say I anger myself over/about that. I just thought it was cool that they sort of had personal responsibility built into their language. Although they have a habit of using passive voice (the house IS BEING built, mistakes WERE made, etc) to describe things they do so that probably makes up for it.

      Censorship is always more offensive than what you're trying to censor. Always.

      Words, ideas, thoughts, are inherently amoral; they are merely as powerful or as useful as the meaning we attach to them.

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    48. Re:Gypped by dabraun · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur. Might as well just say jewed or chinked or niggered. Your doing the same thing. Associating an ethnic group with a negative stereo type. Maybe you should just say "not feeling ripped off" or "feeling they got their moneys worth". I am not of that ethnic group but I find it offensive when someone says "jewed" or calls me "slanty eyed".


      While I get this (and myself became aware this was a slur only a few years ago after having heard the term since childhood) but ... just how many gypsies are there today? "roving wanderes"? Do they still exist? We get to use slurs against cultures which haven't existed for a long time - oh, say, cavemen in certain TV commercials, right?
    49. Re:Gypped by gv250 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur.
      just how many gypsies are there today?


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

      It seems that "Gypsy," itself, is a racial slur. The largest "Gypsy" ethnic group are the Romani, of whom there are about 15,000,000.
    50. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      While I get this (and myself became aware this was a slur only a few years ago after having heard the term since childhood) but ... just how many gypsies are there today? "roving wanderes"? Do they still exist? We get to use slurs against cultures which haven't existed for a long time - oh, say, cavemen in certain TV commercials, right?

      Look up the Romani. They are a medium sized eastern European minority. Somewhere around 15 million total.

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    51. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      PS. Take that 15 mil with a grain of salt. It's form wikipedia. They are a existing minority. The word gypsy is slowly turning into a archaic word as they seemed to have tried to use a different word for themselves. It's not universal as the population is heterogeneous and nomadic. Some like gypsies. some like Romani. But there is a lot of hate for them all over europe. They were one of the major ethnic groups the Nazi's decided didn't have a right to live.

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    52. Re:Gypped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    53. Re:Gypped by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Fine, now everybody has complained, everybody is happy after exercising their right to free speech. Notice however how HE is trying to censor people while I am trying to nurture free expression.

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    54. Re:Gypped by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      The Entomology of that is also questionable. It may have come into common usage in the US but it still refers back to Gypsies/Roma. Do some digging.

      Entomology is the study of insects. You mean etymology, the study of the origin of words. You're obviously not the first person to mix the two up, as Wikipedia has links on each page to the other one.

    55. Re:Gypped by cttforsale · · Score: 1

      Isnèt being a Gypsy (sp) more of a lifestyle choice

    56. Re:Gypped by Ohmaar · · Score: 1

      Lesson learned: Before writing a review on 21st century gaming technology, be sure to check your slang. You don't want to risk offending someone who may or may not be aware that your phrase could have been offensive to some particularly vague group of people, because there might be a .00001% chance that someone read about someone who was once related to a guy who though he heard his great grandfather call somebody something that made them think that it might have been derogatory. But even then, it might just be some BS that someone conjured in some Ecstasy-induced fit of creative imagination, and by golly you certainly don't want to offend THEM!

    57. Re:Gypped by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      just how many gypsies are there today? "roving wanderes"? Do they still exist?
      Yes, they certainly do exist today in Europe, where they face large amounts of general ignorant racist prejudice (see other slashdot postings in this thread for examples). They were also one of the ethnic groups targeted by the Nazis. I doubt people would be so free with their stupid stereotypical remarks if we were talking about Jewish or black people.
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    58. Re:Gypped by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Isnèt being a Gypsy (sp) more of a lifestyle choice

      It was one ethnicity that the word referred to. Irish travelers were similar but of a separate ethnic stock and have a different name. The topic is veyr heated. Many want it to be just a lifestyle choice so that they can ban it. But it is a word associated with a ethnic group.

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    59. Re:Gypped by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Notice however how HE is trying to censor people while I am trying to nurture free expression. Mighty white of you.
    60. Re:Gypped by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      BZZT does not compute. Try again?

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    61. Re:Gypped by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I'm using "white" here as a racially charged pun:

      Dictionary reference:"13. Slang. decent, honorable, or dependable: That's very white of you."

      But punny jokes aside: I find the idea that you have the high ground ridiculous. Somebody complains about what somebody else said. You label that censorship, and complain that they shouldn't say that. Isn't the hypocrisy obvious?

      This charge of "censorship" is too much. When the government forbids you from saying something that is censorship at its worst. Just expressing an opinion about what somebody else says is not censorship. "you shouldn't say that" vs "you can't say that by law".

    62. Re:Gypped by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Gypsy isn't a racial term though, gypsies can be either Romany or Irish. So to be gypped isn't a negatype stereotype on an ethnic group, but a culture of outlaw travellers.

    63. Re:Gypped by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Gypies are not necessarily Romani. Many gypsies are Irish, and have nothing in common with Romani gypsies. And they are blamed for theft, petty-crimes and being ripped-off, because that is generally how they earn their living. If you want confirmation, just ask anyone who's lived near a gypsy camp.

    64. Re:Gypped by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Yeah the charge of censorship was too much; of course he wasn't censoring anyone, however his attitude is the same one that will condone censorship when it does happen - think hate speech laws. The reason I have high ground is simply that he is a whiny sad excuse for a human being, quick to call for censorship of stuff he does not like. And finally, I don't understand why you called me decent and honorable while at the same time attacking my idea - but it's early in the morning and I'm still confused.

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    65. Re:Gypped by Raenex · · Score: 1

      however his attitude is the same one that will condone censorship when it does happen - think hate speech laws. Nice straw man you built up there. He's pointing out that a remark may be unintentionally racist, and probably best avoided, not calling for censorship or promoting hate speech laws. Whether the particular word "gyp" warrants his remark is debatable, but I find nothing wrong about the basic premise. I've seen similar debates over other words, like people who shorten Japanese as "Jap" without being aware of it's history.

      The reason I have high ground is simply that he is a whiny sad excuse for a human being, quick to call for censorship of stuff he does not like. And there you are knocking down that straw man, again charging him with censorship after you just said "the charge of censorship was too much".

      And finally, I don't understand why you called me decent and honorable while at the same time attacking my idea I was being facetious.
    66. Re:Gypped by tricorn · · Score: 1

      We had a system with a welcome page that normally said "xx users on the system"; for holidays itwas spruced up abit, e.g. on Halloween it would say "45goblins" or whatever. We got complaints about "xx spooks", as a racial slur. Spies are so sensitive!

    67. Re:Gypped by Larry_The_Canary · · Score: 1

      Where do you think the British usage of the word 'Gypsies' came from in the first place? Basically what you're saying that a group of delinquints have been given a name that historically is used to refer to another group of people who aren't necessarily delinquint themselves but are commonly blamed for dinlinquint activity based solely on their heritage. How is this not racism, and how is racism not a problem?

    68. Re:Gypped by mink · · Score: 1

      Sounds like we need real-time Google Maps tracking of Mick Jagger, just to be sure.

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  9. Weird trilogy pattern developing by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone else notice a weird pattern with Doom 1, 2, 3... Quake 1, 2, 3... and Halo 1, 2, 3? The third one is the one that has the features the other 2 really should have, and yet all three basically peter out when the next new crazy fps comes out. How long will Halo 3 hang on until the next fps title eclipses it (but with way crappier features, like from Quake 3 -> Halo 1)? Just a thought.

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    1. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by nicolastheadept · · Score: 1

      Half-Life 3: Hell Yeah!

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    2. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The third one is the one that has the features the other 2 really should have

      Sequel Improves On Predecessor: Video at 11!

      How long will Halo 3 hang on until the next fps title eclipses it (but with way crappier features, like from Quake 3 -> Halo 1)? Just a thought.

      You know both Doom and Quake franchises are still around? Not to mention Half-Life that came before Halo, and... oh forget it.

      I don't even get how Q3A and Halo 1 are comparable. One is a game that focuses on singleplay, with a smattering of multiplay maps based around vehicle combat. The other is a multiplay-only game with a focus on frenetic close-quarters fighting...

    3. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by e03179 · · Score: 1

      Beat the Halo 3 campaign on Legendary and you'll see that Bungie has something else up their sleeves.

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    4. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by RonnyJ · · Score: 1

      Not sure your pattern works for the Quake series. Quake 3 was a huge change from the first two, being completely multiplayer-oriented.

      I don't think the Quake series has 'petered out' either, in my view Quake 4 was the game that Doom 3 should have been.

    5. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by admdrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      HL3? Pretty sure that'll be released shortly after Half Life 2: Episode 5, SP2, Director's-cut, Headcrab-edition.

    6. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by chumpboy · · Score: 1

      If you are narrowing the scope of your discussion to the 360 console, I'd say Halo 3 will last quite a while.

      As a Halo 2 fan and regular player, it never ceased to amaze me how many other players there were online - even last night. With all of the other "Halo-killers" release on the 360 in the last year (think Gears of War, etc.), Halo 2 STILL continues to have huge replay value with the tens of thousands of people who play each day.

      It would be foolish to think that Halo 3 would be any different.

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    7. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by morari · · Score: 1

      Funny, I thought Prey was the game that both should have been...

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    8. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Except there's a Quake 4, which makes it not really a trilogy.

    9. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Mr. Adams, is that you?

    10. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      Just a guess but maybe a game engine has only so many good years ahead of it before it is obsolete?

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    11. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      I don't really agree, most games seem to get worse after the 3rd incarnation.

      Doom 1 and 2 were definitely some of my favourite FPS games of all time. Doom 3 wasn't nearly as fun or classic as the original two. The Quake series was also one of my favourites growing up. Quake 1 was probably the best, followed by Quake 2 and 3. Quake 1 and 2 had amazing single and multiplayer while Quake 3 only focused on multiplayer. So I wouldn't say that Quake 3 had features that the first two lacked, if anything it was the opposite. Anyway, I think the original doom 1-2 and quake 1-3 were the best while they tended to get worse over the years (doom 3 and quake 4 were a major letdown).

      I don't know if you played the original Descent series, but Descent 1 and 2 were truely amazing games. Descent 3 was also pretty good, but then they decided to make Descent Freespace and while it was fun, it wasn't nearly as good as the originals. So not all games get better with new versions, often they get worse. I used to play the original 2D Duke Nukem 1 and 2 on my first PC. Later on I got Duke Nukem 3D and it was definitely a big improvement over the previous 2D versions. But then what happened? Duke Nukem went down hill after DN 3D and now Duke Nukem Forever is the laughing stock of the internet.

      Elder Scrolls was another great series. Most people I know that played Morrowind think it was way better than Oblivion. Oblivion was much better in the graphics department, but Morrowind killed it in many other areas. Again, a game that gets worse over time. Another such game is Shadowrun, I absolutely loved the SNES version. Then Microsoft got the rights and the latest Shadowrun incarnation is truely an insult. The latest Shadowrun is a frigging multiplayer FPS, it's doesn't even resemble the original cyberpunk game.

      It's not all bad though. One game that I can think of that has gotten better over the years is Unreal Tournament. I was never a big fan of the original UT, but slowly over the years, UT has gotten better and better. UT2003 was really good and UT2004 was simply amazing. Hopefully UT2007 (now UT3) continues that upward trend and isn't worse than UT2004. You never know though... Sometimes games get better, sometimes they get worse. From my experiences, more games seem to get worse lately as the developer focuses on graphical improvements instead of focusing on what made the previous games great (the gameplay!).

    12. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by dabraun · · Score: 1

      Just a guess but maybe a game engine has only so many good years ahead of it before it is obsolete?


      While I agree that there's nothing weird about having three games or so in a series and then having new series become more popular (duh?!?) - it's not really the engine - Doom 3 for example was not based on the same engine as Doom 1 and 2 ... ditto for Return to Wolfenstein and others ...
    13. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by British · · Score: 1

      While not a FPS, you can add Carmageddon to the trilogy peter-out list. The best way to kill a game series is to have a completely different developer do it, ruining it in the process. Carmageddon 2 was incredibly fun, and while the graphics in TDR were better, it was ruined with mandatory missions(probably to compensate the rather bland game premise). No more 5X combos as the engine didn't seem fast enough to detect it.

      Carmageddon is a franchise I wish Rockstar would buy out, and remake with the GTA engine for some mindless derby crash 'em up fun. The controversial nature would be no problem to Rockstar.

    14. Re:Weird trilogy pattern developing by necro2607 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have been saying this for years - it seems that the third game in the series always seems to be "how the original should have been to begin with". Case in point, Marathon Infinity, also by Bungie Software. Another example would be BioShock actually, being a supposed spiritual successor to System Shock 2 and probably the closest we'll ever get to a "System Shock 3". Or take a look at Myst. First there was the original, then Riven, then Myst 3 which finally featured a moveable viewpoint and other features that really made the game feel more full and immersive.

  10. Too bad the update screwed many others by dindi · · Score: 0

    Oh well ... I for one do not care about halo, but having the rainy season on us with comlete darkness at 6 makes me spend more time playing on live.

    Now that said, I know that they recently updated consoles, and I suspect that it had to do something with the new big release...

    Sad thing is: since then people have lag issues, connection issues all over the place..

    All MS support says is: restart your modem and your router, and call support (2 hours waiting according to many).

    No, I am not middle aged and my life is not video games, but I like to play multiplayer stuff RS and GRAW mostly.

    1. Re:Too bad the update screwed many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The update added support for the SceneIt controllers, and that's it. No fixes at all, no upgrades, just added support for a controller.

    2. Re:Too bad the update screwed many others by dindi · · Score: 1

      OK, probably it is then a coincidence. Also MS never updates anything without letting you know.

      If you go to forums, you can see that things stopped working for many people after they updated.

      Whether the update added support to a controller or not, it did some mess on some consoles it seems, as people have problems.

      Not really with the connection, but e.g you cannot search player games only ranked, and other weird stuff.

  11. There is Online CO-OP by Foo2rama · · Score: 3, Informative

    Umm....Online co-op is in Halo III. It was on then off then back on. This review says up to 4 players on co-op can play campaign at one time. I am greatly looking forward to this, as split screen even on 56 inch plasma is like kissing your sister.

    Of course I could be wrong but this is from Bungie. click me!

    or for the lazy.

    So you were probably wondering why we didn't want to commit to two player co-op online over Xbox Live. We certainly got plenty of mail asking, no, demanding that we make it happen. Of course we were working on it, but we were also working on something better. Not two player co-op. Not three-player co-op, but up to four player co-op. Online. On Xbox Live, or sure, System Link if you prefer. That is correct - up to four player co-op in Campaign mode on Xbox Live or System Link.

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    1. Re:There is Online CO-OP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Operative words being "working on".

    2. Re:There is Online CO-OP by PixelScuba · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am greatly looking forward to this, as split screen even on 56 inch plasma is like kissing your sister

      Hot?

    3. Re:There is Online CO-OP by Foo2rama · · Score: 1

      I can see that... the point was split screen blows goats, even on a massive screen split screen is still way to restrictive.

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    4. Re:There is Online CO-OP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you need a bigger TV...or eyeglasses...

      ...and neighborhood friends...


      I refuse to buy ANY game without local co-op. The first bomberman for the 360 screwed the crap out of me (though it was my own damn fault I didn't even look at the box before I bought it...) Since when does "multiplayer" omit multiple LOCAL players? My favorite console is still the N64 for that very reason.

  12. paid Microsoft shill reviews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Notice how Slashdot only reviews the worst PS3 games (Lair) and doesn't even bother reviewing the top PS3 titles (STILL no Heavenly Sword review). Meanwhile Slashdot gushes over the latest Xbox games, posting reviews before the game is even officially released.

    Was there an exchange of money for this review?

    1. Re:paid Microsoft shill reviews? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps he's still working on completing Heavenly Sword.

    2. Re:paid Microsoft shill reviews? by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      I don't get why Halo is a big deal on Slashdot. I think it's the most overrated series ever. To me, it seems that if it were originally a PC FPS, it would be considered completely mediocre. The only thing I see that makes it popular is that it's a decent FPS on a console.

      Are there really that many Halo fanboys on Slashdot? I would imagine there would be many PC gamers here that would be aware of much better FPSs than Halo.

    3. Re:paid Microsoft shill reviews? by Criterion · · Score: 1

      Guess your mind is not open to the notion that maybe many Halo fans are also PC gamers, either past or present? It seems that your admitted bias will not allow you to believe that people are aware of other choices when in fact we are likely completely aware of them, we simply choose differently than you (yes, the rhetorical we, as I know I'm not alone). You think it's overrated, I think it's close to perfect. We agree to disagree, just don't whine about it. No need for negativity, go play a game that makes *you* happy, and don't worry about us. I, for one, am in no need of your version of enlightenment. Been there, done that. I am self aware and not a sheep.

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  13. video gamers have their own version of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its why they play games in the first place. to escape the awful reality where they are responsible for the consequences of their actions and words. sort of like why i rant online lol.

    anyways, i predict 10 seconds until someone counter 'argues' that it should be OK to say jewed, n***, etc, because political correctness is evil blah blah blah.

    it is the same argument they will have if you point out that murdering prostitutes and stealing their money is not the best thing for our culture to be involved in simulating.

    1. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its why they play games in the first place. to escape the awful reality where they are responsible for the consequences of their actions and words. sort of like why i rant online lol.

      anyways, i predict 10 seconds until someone counter 'argues' that it should be OK to say jewed, n***, etc, because political correctness is evil blah blah blah.

      it is the same argument they will have if you point out that murdering prostitutes and stealing their money is not the best thing for our culture to be involved in simulating.


      Perhaps I need to clarify. I wasn't saying the game mentions "Gypped" but instead the review closes with a paragraph that contains "gypped". A lot of people aren't aware thats a racial slur and I wanted to bring it to people attentions. I'm all for free speech. Say it how ever you like. But be aware it does offend some people. I know some paragons of the PC movement who say "gypped" all the time because they weren't aware it's a racial slur. I wanted to let people know.

      I prefer if people made their points without racial slurs but I also believe in people being able to say what ever they want. But the right to do so comes with the responsibility for what they say.

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    2. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny, you have no problem with a game that simulates killing. Just make you you speak nicely when doing it though.

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    3. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Funny, you have no problem with a game that simulates killing. Just make you you speak nicely when doing it though.

      I say "God I wish my boss wasn't such a tightwad, he gyped me out of a raise". Consequence: This links Cheap/theft with Gypsies.

      I kill a Covenant Brute. consequence: A whole bunch of transistors change voltage levels in my 360.

      I'm fairly certain both aren't that severe int he grand scheme of things but the first has more real world effects then the second.

      PS. I don't' have a 360, I wont' be buying the game. Need I be abstinent before marriage to critique female circumcision? Similar logic applies with your statement.

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    4. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "This links Cheap/theft with Gypsies."

      What part of not giving you a raise is theft?

      Or is your association of theft to "gyp" in your head, and as such you're projecting your own racist ideas?

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    5. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Pike · · Score: 1

      if hardly anyone is aware of its origin or its possible interpretation as a racial slur, is it still a racial slur in practice? explain.

    6. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I kill a Covenant Brute. consequence: A whole bunch of transistors change voltage levels in my 360."

      Ok, and saying "gypped" moves a bunch of air molecules. I think it is safe to say that except for activists like yourself no one thinks of gypsies when they hear that word outside of Eastern Europe.

    7. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if hardly anyone is aware of its origin or its possible interpretation as a racial slur, is it still a racial slur in practice? explain.

      the etymology has no confirmed alternative origin. Event he closest plausible alternative is actually a term that also derived from gypsies. It's as highly likely it back links to gypsies as it is that jewed back links to Jews. Read up on it. It's not common knowledge but that doesn't it make it true. Saying "god That car salesmen just jewed my wife" does no damage if everyone in the room is not offended by that jewed. Does it make it okay?

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    8. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What part of not giving you a raise is theft?
      He doesn't say that. The fact is that part of the racial discrimination against gypsies has to do with theft. Look it up. Books good. Wikipedia works, I'm sure.

      So, using "gypped" is a reference to gypsy theft, like it or not. Same way that if you say some guy jewed you out of a deal, you're evoking stinginess, greediness, etc. The meaning of the word itself counts as content in the sentence, if you're wondering. Nigger-rigging is a reference to black people being lazy.

      You're just trolling anyway. (sorry to all the real trolls out there)

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    9. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      if hardly anyone is aware of its origin or its possible interpretation as a racial slur, is it still a racial slur in practice? explain.
      Yes. You're not a gypsy. Some people are gypsies. The racial problems with many gypsies are very recent, and world-wide. If you're posting on a public international forum, then be more careful than when you're sitting around with your friends.

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    10. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "He doesn't say that."

      Yes he does.

      With that in mind, I have no desire to respond to the "argument" of an individual who makes provably inaccurate statements like you did there.

      Argue with someone who will put up with your tactics, liars infuriate me and I have no desire to tolerate you as a result.

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    11. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Cocoronixx · · Score: 1
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gyp says:

      Note that this term may have derived from the word "gypsy", although no direct evidence exists.

      Maybe you should be the one looking it up, hmm?
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    12. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "the etymology has no confirmed origin."

      I fixed that to make it accurate.

      And you didn't answer his question, you pontificated on an unrelated point.

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    13. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      "He doesn't say that."

      Yes he does.

      He says it links "gypsy" to "cheap/theft."
      1. not the same as "gypsy"="theft"
      2. he does not create the theft assumption, it already exists. This is the same as my friend hating that big fat stupid black comedian who just did the KFC commercial. It's not because my friend's mind is dirty, it's because he is bothered by the social implications of using a Fried Chicken Loving Negro to sell your fried chicken.

      With that in mind, I have no desire to respond to the "argument" of an individual who makes provably inaccurate statements like you did there.

      You won't argue with people when you can provide proof against their argument? Wow, what a winner.
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    14. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know it's a racial slur when you say it, it's not a racial slur. Stupid fucking nigger.

    15. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1
      Wiktionary, eh?
      http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gyp

      "to cheat, swindle," 1889, Amer.Eng., probably short for Gypsy.

      http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic4766.html
      A discussion, I'm not quoting anything.
      http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/634.html

      The "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997) has a second theory in addition to the "gypsy" one. "GYP - According to the popular etymology, to 'gyp,' 'to cheat,' derives from the name of the much maligned gypsies, who got their name because 16th-century Englishmen erroneously assumed they hailed from Egypt. ....
      Then there's the "Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, Volume 1, A-G" by J.E. Lighter, Random House, New York, 1994: GYP or GIP v. 1.a. to cheat; defraud; charge exorbitantly - sometimes considered offensive to the Roma (Gypsies). Now colloq. b. to disappoint. 2. to steal, filch.

      There's some disagreement. But shoving wiktionary in my face is hardly a winning tactic. I suppose you've never heard people say they got "gypsied" out of something, used instead of "gypped." Lucky you. Regardless of the etymological root, it is undeniably linked to gypsies.

      The point of this whole goddamn thing is that if you write an article, you want might want to avoid speech that could be considered an ethnic slur.

      Consider the reviewer ending the article, "The only problem I had with this game was a scratch I put on the disc--however, a little toothpaste and nigger-rigging got everything underway!" More offensive than a gypsy reference, due to our social climate, but the reviewer still may want to consider his language. The original poster didn't get on anybody's ass about anything. Why are people so fucking pissed off about this?
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    16. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "He says it links "gypsy" to "cheap/theft.""

      Exactly, thank you for admitting I was correct.

      "2. he does not create the theft assumption, it already exists. "

      Really? Not for me. Now what?

      "You won't argue with people when you can provide proof against their argument?"

      No, I won't argue with people who claim to know what others are thinking in direct opposition to what they type, because you can't possibly pretend to know what he meant, and what he actually typed makes you a liar. As your own post proves, right there at the top.

      Besides, you proved me right with your statement earlier.

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    17. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Cocoronixx · · Score: 1

      There's some disagreement. But shoving wiktionary in my face is hardly a winning tactic. I suppose you've never heard people say they got "gypsied" out of something, used instead of "gypped." Lucky you. Regardless of the etymological root, it is undeniably linked to gypsies.


      Apparently a definition that says "probably short for Gypsy" as well as a quote of a forum post that quotes only one of at least 2 definitions of the term from a Random House publication counts as undeniable proof.

      I'm not pissed, just thought it was funny that one of the bases of your argument included that a Wiki entry would back you up, and upon googling for "wiki gypped" I was returned a page that took a shit on your argument instead.
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    18. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      You're the one that stated that something he said was plucking some bullshit out the air, which is not true, and just because you lack the appropriate cultural background to appreciate what he said doesn't mean what he said is invalid. It doesn't mean you're stupid, either. Or a liar. You could, however, get a better background in language. And if you have one already, maybe you should kill yourself, because you wasted your time.

      Red herring.
      Straw man.
      False comparison.
      Poisoning the well.
      Thanks, it's been great.

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    19. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      Apparently a definition that says "probably short for Gypsy" as well as a quote of a forum post that quotes only one of at least 2 definitions of the term from a Random House publication counts as undeniable proof.

      I'm not saying there's undeniable proof. I'm saying that there is an undeniable association between the words "gypped" and "gypsy"

      Etymology sometimes experiences unexplainable mutations. To quote the dictionary guy:
      "Lexicographer's business is solely to collect, arrange, and define the words that usage presents to his hands. He has no right to proscribe words; he is to present them as they are."
      --Noah Webster, lexicographer (1758-1843)

      And in light of that, I think it's foolish to deny the linguistic and social association that exists here.

      I'm not pissed, just thought it was funny that one of the bases of your argument included that a Wiki entry would back you up, and upon googling for "wiki gypped" I was returned a page that took a shit on your argument instead.

      I thought that was funny, too. While we're splitting hairs here, I was talking wikipedia, which we all know is infallible, not wiktionary, which we all know is a big lie machine created by our zionist jew overlords to enslave us. But in seriousness, we know a wiki reference is not a golden anything. I said "even wikipedia" as a way of saying that even the lazy man's reference bible would provide you with an ethnic background on the gypsies. I was referring to an encyclopedia, and you came back with a dictionary.

      So boo. At least you're making reasoned arguments and you seem to have a sense of humour, which is more than can be said for a couple of people around here.
      Cheers.
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    20. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by pi_rules · · Score: 1

      Nigger-rigging is a reference to black people being lazy.
      The proper phrase is afro-engineered.
    21. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Cocoronixx · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll say that there is a definite phonetic connection between gypped & gypsy, but further than that I'm not convinced. FWIW, your on my 'exclusive' friends list now, be excited!

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    22. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by eggz128 · · Score: 1
      Honestly, if you're going to get deeply offended by a word that appears on the internet, where you're willing to concede the original author may not have even realised the significance and/or potential offensiveness of said word to a small subset of the worlds population as a whole --I'm sorry to say the internet is not for you. It would be better if you went off and found something to do that would be less likely to upset you. Maybe play a little chess.

      This is from someone who has (to the best of his knowledge) never used the word "gypped" in any sort of conversation (though understood it to mean "cheated out of"), probably never would use the word, and is now even less likely to use it (now knowing its origins).

      If you're posting on a public international forum, then be more careful than when you're sitting around with your friends.


      Indeed, I imagine from a Japanese perspective (where I understand their language has many different levels of politeness), that statement was probably very informal (blunt), and also probably quite offensive to someone you don't know personally. Which I suppose leaves us at "When in unknown company, say nothing", but that would make conversation a little dull.
    23. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What part of not giving you a raise is theft? If pirating a song I would never have paid for is theft then clearly not giving me a raise is also theft.
    24. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap dude. You're an idiot. Or 12. Or both.

    25. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      Honestly, if you're going to get deeply offended by a word that appears on the internet, where you're willing to concede the original author may not have even realised the significance and/or potential offensiveness of said word to a small subset of the worlds population as a whole --I'm sorry to say the internet is not for you.

      Who's deeply offended? The conversation seems to be about the relative offensiveness of 'gypped,' which I think the consensus is that it's definitely less offensive than jewing and the n-word, but surely more offensive than a tasty cake.

      People can, however, point out the relative offensiveness of something without having to themselves experience violent inner turmoil. Whenever someone uses the n-word in an inappropriate manner in my presence, I bring it up if I feel it's worth it. For example, I think calling Senator Larry Craig a faggot-basher is inoffensive, because the linguistic construct implies his disdain for homosexuals. Others (my ex, for one) find this inappropriate. I tend to keep these word selections to myself.

      Which I suppose leaves us at "When in unknown company, say nothing", but that would make conversation a little dull.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/r/reductio.htm
      First, I think the Japanese have a mode of conduct suitable to perusing the tubes. Second, I didn't say that. Third, if you're not with us, you're a donkey's cousin. Similarly, if I think people would do service to other people by being judicious about their choice of words, I must be the kind of person suddenly overtaken by the desire to dance cheerfully about in full Nazi regalia.

      I think that a good rule of thumb is that if you could be reasonably concerned that what you are going to say might offend someone if you said it in a room full of 50 random people, consider whether it's worth it to say. Then say it, or not, and deal with people's comments.
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    26. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I say "God I wish my boss wasn't such a tightwad, he gyped me out of a raise". Consequence: This links Cheap/theft with Gypsies.

      Only if people realize that "gyp" is short for "gypsy". And since most don't, the slur has no power, and becomes just another word.

      Frankly, I would argue it is *you* that is the problem. By getting offended, you are essentially imbuing the word with power it didn't previously have. Oh well, I'm sure you can get offended enough for the rest of us, while we find better things to do.

      By the way, I'd recommend watching the season 4 episode of Southpark entitled "Chef Goes Nanners"... it might be enlightening.

    27. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Only if people realize that "gyp" is short for "gypsy". And since most don't, the slur has no power, and becomes just another word.

      Frankly, I would argue it is *you* that is the problem. By getting offended, you are essentially imbuing the word with power it didn't previously have. Oh well, I'm sure you can get offended enough for the rest of us, while we find better things to do.

      By the way, I'd recommend watching the season 4 episode of Southpark entitled "Chef Goes Nanners"... it might be enlightening.


      The power of a slur is it makes certain people feel smaller. Fighting it by doing nothing just lets people get away with that. The whole idea is a slur denigrates someone for something they have no control over. I can brush off random internet people calling me stuff but if it's in real life and if it's your peers, school mates, boss, teacher, friends. Thats different. In my days at school if someone called me a chink either someone would tell a teacher and they'd get in trouble or there'd be a scuffle. Back in my older cousins day or my uncles day the only alternative would be a scuffle because if they told someone they'd be told back "suck it up chinamen."

      Letting it go is not the way to stand up for your rights or to prevent this form of social violence. Making it a issues is how you stand up for yourself. SO what did I do, I put my neck out to stand up for a disadvantaged minority whom I don't know. Look back in this thread. I never let anyone get to me but I tried to stand up for the little guys because not each one is as able to fight. History hasn't shown "letting it go" to be a very good strategy.

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    28. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      You know what? You're a hyper-sensitive idiot. If you can't understand why there's a clear difference between deliberately using a slur to attack someone, and innocently using a word while ignorant of the fact that it's etymological roots are based in racism, then there's no possible way I can reason with you. Clearly, you see racism, bigotry, and hate everywhere, even where there is none. Frankly, I feel kind of sad for you... your world must be a pretty horrible place.

    29. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 1

      You know what? You're a hyper-sensitive idiot. If you can't understand why there's a clear difference between deliberately using a slur to attack someone, and innocently using a word while ignorant of the fact that it's etymological roots are based in racism, then there's no possible way I can reason with you. Clearly, you see racism, bigotry, and hate everywhere, even where there is none. Frankly, I feel kind of sad for you... your world must be a pretty horrible place.

      You get this from my objection to certain words being used?

      It's similar to sexual harassment. You may not mean to offend your female co-workers by making lewd jokes or putting up porn, but they needn't have to tell you to stop. My GF loves porn. Enjoys watching it etc.. but it should be up to her where and when she views it.

      Casual use of slurs is one of the more callous forms of racism. It's a systemic form. It means that the associations of a stereo type and ethnicity is so ingrained that the word is now synonymous. Now, If I were jewish and people casually used Jewed as a verb it does in fact belittle me in the same way as if it was deliberate. You associate my ethnicity with a negative stereo type. what is the difference between openly attacking someone and casually attacking someone?

      Are you a minority? Can you honestly tell me there is no racism? There is significant racism within my own community. In North America it's been mitigated by a lot of idealism regarding equality but it didn't come about because people let things go. Racism isn't' gone but it's laying low only because individuals like myself react to it.

      I am exercising my right to free speech. I criticize a person for using a word. I have never said he should be forcefully prevented form using that word but I have merely stated the link and the reasoning for my objection. Perhaps you should investigate why you react to my reasoning with such vitriol.

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    30. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by thegnu · · Score: 1

      FWIW, your on my 'exclusive' friends list now, be excited!

      A-WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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    31. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It means that the associations of a stereo type and ethnicity is so ingrained that the word is now synonymous.

      Wrong, simply because the link between the term "to gyp" and the ethnic group "gypsy" is by-and-large broken, except for the hyper-sensitive few, such as yourself. IOW, the words can't be synonymous because the vast majority of people aren't even aware they're connected. Go on, walk down the street and ask random people if a) they think the term "gypped" is racist, and b) what race or ethnic group they associate the term with. I'd be *shocked* if more than a small minority even know of the connection you're railing against.

      Meanwhile, have you ever wondered why the word "hysterical" and "hysterectomy" seem to have the same root? Are you aware of the etymology of the term "hysterical"? Here, let me provide it for you:

      "1615, from L. hystericus "of the womb," from Gk. hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus. Hysterics is 1727; hysteria, abstract noun, formed 1801."

      link

      So, by your own standards, the term "hysterical" is, in fact, sexist, and we should avoid it's use, and abuse and deride those who do use it, correct? And yet, we don't. Nor does anyone associate a sexist connotation with the word. And why? Because the sexist roots of the word are lost to time. Similarly, the racist roots of the word "gypped" (assuming there are any... others have proposed alternate explanations for it's genesis) would probably have vanished by now, if it weren't for the rabid few who can't seem to let it go.

      So just let it the fuck go! I have *never once* heard someone use the term "gypped" in a negative way, intending to demean gypsies. Hell, I'll bet dollars to donuts you haven't either. But, hey, god forbid you should step down from that moral high horse you're perched so precariously upon.

    32. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by king-manic · · Score: 1


      Wrong, simply because the link between the term "to gyp" and the ethnic group "gypsy" is by-and-large broken, except for the hyper-sensitive few, such as yourself. IOW, the words can't be synonymous because the vast majority of people aren't even aware they're connected. Go on, walk down the street and ask random people if a) they think the term "gypped" is racist, and b) what race or ethnic group they associate the term with. I'd be *shocked* if more than a small minority even know of the connection you're railing against.


      Racism isn't about the majority it's about the minority. It's not if G dubya has an issue with the word "chink" it's if Asians have a problem with that word. In North America the odds of meeting a Romani is slim. why? Because the US enacted laws to prevent the immigration of gypsies/Romani. Canada has a small population. So while you may have a almost 0% chance of offending someone by using gypped, here in Canada it's a non 0 percentage. In many parts of Europe the associating between the word and the race is much stronger. Do they feel bad about it? I had a acquaintance once who was part Romani. He was annoyed at the connection with his ethnicity and being a thief. So to you the link is dead. sample size: 1, objective meaning: hard to say. To him it's a racial slur. So does it mean it's okay so long as no one of that race is around?

      As well hysterical was originally coined because Hippocrates thought the uterus was actually wandering around within a womans body. The word has fallen out of professional psychiatric use. So in fact that profession did take steps to avoid a somewhat loaded word.

      In the end I'm not asking anyone to be aware of the history of each word they use. I merely point out the history of a word and the implied meaning and I let it up to the speaker to decide what to do. If in light of this information you continue to use the word it paints you in a certain way. Thats the nature of free speech. Say it however you like but deal with the consequences. If you didn't know who can fault you. Now you do know, continued use of the word may paint you as a racist, it is a consequence of your decision.

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    33. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Raenex · · Score: 1

      This whole argument is a tar baby.

    34. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "gyp" means gypsy?

      So what the hell did I mean the other week when I said "ah... my shoulder's giving me gyp."

      My shoulder... is giving me... a gypsy?

      Be honest man, you're not honestly offended by the term "gypped" - you just found out the origin of the phrase and wanted to show off!

    35. Re:video gamers have their own version of reality by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "Holy crap dude. You're an idiot. Or 12. Or both."

      All of the above, and right too.

      So what does that say about you and the other loser who got manhandled by a 12 year old idiot?

      By the way, nice of you to man up and put your name to that post. It's exactly what I'd expect from you after I crushed your stupid points about this and proved you're a liar.

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  14. That might be because... by Sibko · · Score: 1

    Heh, Online Co-op's been in the game since at least July 31st, according to this article: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/1611238 The reason no one is saying anything about co-op not being there, is because it IS there.

  15. How does it compare to PC shooters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the BF or UT series. I remember briefly playing Halo 1 and not being very impressed after all the hype I heard. It seemed inferior to any of the PC shooters I had seen.

    Would Halo 3 be good enough to get an Xbox for? Do people play this with a controller? Mouse/Keyboard seems like it would whip any controller-based interface.

    1. Re:How does it compare to PC shooters? by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      If you have a decent PC, you already own the best FPS platform with the best FPSes, so I would completely ignore Halo. In fact, I do completely ignore Halo.

      In console terms, it's a decent shooter (but Gears of War is much better, IMO), but in PC terms, it's sooooooooo five years ago.

      Just get Team Fortress 2 and forget Halo. :)

    2. Re:How does it compare to PC shooters? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      I keep wondering this too, and people with PC gaming "experience" all say different things.

      Sometimes it gets compared to Half Life, then they say Halo's story is unoriginal and the environments repeat. So what part of Half Life are they comparing it to?

      Other times it's the "online play" that makes the game. Ugh. Finding a game to join may be easier on a console, but it's next to impossible to find a mature group of people to play with (maybe because it's easier to play online than "hard" PC FPS's). That, and I don't know how into online PC FPS you are, but mods are what make most of the good games great.

      I don't think you're missing anything. If you're going to get a next gen console for a single game, look at the ones in a genre consoles really are better at. Racing, fighting, or maybe a FPS with a unique online experience.

  16. From a certain perspective.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year.

    Yeah, the drooling console moron point of view. Sometimes I dispair over humanity.

  17. Re:Hey Zonk by Swordopolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that if he really was a "MicroBitch", he would have given the game better than a 4/5.

    But then again, everybody else is giving better than 4/5 (Metacritic rating stands at 96 currently).

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  18. Unreal Tournament by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No online play?!?!?!

    Sure HALO is getting the typical hype that Micro$oft's money can buy, but come on no online play in this day and age would be a joke!

    My money is on the next Unreal Tournament!

    1. Re:Unreal Tournament by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me UT has always had more heart and soul. Besides with the price of hardware coming way down and the kick booty multi-core/cpu systems and awesome vid cards who really needs to buy a single use console today?

      I'm going to save my money and wait for now. Once UT3 comes out I will pop for a new multi-core PC w/ a kick butt vid card and jacked up with lots of memory. And when I am not gaming I can use it for programming, work, etc, etc.

  19. I "us"ed them down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If most people aren't aware that it is a racial slur, then it is not much of a racial slur.

    Thanks for the PC update though.

  20. Selling by Tom · · Score: 1, Troll

    Will it make the fans happy, and deservedly sell thousands of Xbox 360s? That's the #1 problem I have with it. Somewhere in a marketing department, someone grins at that sentence because he knows what many of us only suspect: That the one and only purpose for Halo 3 is to sell more Xboxes.

    And somewhere deep inside of me, there's a part that has an unspeakable problem with a game existing only for the benefit of a game console, because it feels it ought to be the other way around.
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    1. Re:Selling by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      I suspect that it is both ways actually.

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    2. Re:Selling by ThirdPrize · · Score: 1

      There are all those thousands of people out there who play nothing but Halo on the original Xbox. You need something to make them upgrade. Now they can play nothing but Halo on the 360.

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    3. Re:Selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in the modern gaming era (nes), Console makers have sold had to eat a loss on the consoles themselves. Their profits come in licensing the games. The purpose of the console is to creat a large installed user base for said games.

    4. Re:Selling by geeknado · · Score: 1
      So, I suppose that finishing a story that at least some of the gaming populace finds interesting doesn't play into it? Seriously, I understand your cynicism, but this is a series of games that many people enjoy; that's /why/ it will sell more XBox 360s.

      Moreover, it seems as though your rhetoric could be applied to any exclusive title from any gaming company. Why do yet another Zelda? Because it'll sell Wiis(and did). If Lair was actually, you know, /good/, it'd be doing the same thing for PS3s.

      If Halo 3 were a weak representation in its series smashed out with the hammer of formula, I'd agree with your point, since, at that point, you'd be continuing the story just to sell some consoles. That does not appear to be the case with Halo 3. It seems to extend the concepts that made Halo a success(great multiplayer, an engaging single-or-co-op campaign storyline, etc). It's not innovative by any stretch of the imagination, but to suggest that they're just hammering out a game to 'sell the console' seems unwarrented.

    5. Re:Selling by ravyne · · Score: 1

      The reason there is a Halo 3 is because Halo 2 sold something north of 5 million copies and was the most popular game on Xbox live all the way until Gears of War, even now it continues to fare well. Here's another fun factoid -- the number of matches of Halo 2 played on Xbox live would overflow a 32bit value, or more than about 4.3 million matches.

      Halo 2 came about for the same reason: Halo 1 was incredibly popular.

      Yes, Halo is Microsoft's main "system seller" -- much like Nintendo's Mario, Sega's Sonic, or Sony's... Kratos, most recently, I suppose. But all of these mascot-style characters and franchises survive solely on their own popularity with a rather fickle public, the world of video games is littered with mostly-forgotten and abandoned former or hopeful mascots.

    6. Re:Selling by Tom · · Score: 1

      True, that. Doesn't mean I have to like it. It's the old sell-razors-cheaply-and-cheat-them-on-the-blades business model.

      I don't like it because it collides with other things I consider important. One, it requires lock-in and closed consoles to work. I've got no problem with QA, but I've been playing computer games since most of them were one-man works, and quite a lot of those were great designs. Some of the small-team games of today beat AAA titles for gameplay easily. The indie gaming scene is required, but can't survive on locked-in consoles.

      The other reason is that it distorts prices, plain and simple. It is not a free market with fair prices, because of the proprietary and licensing shit.

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    7. Re:Selling by sjf · · Score: 1

      And, that my friend, was precisely why Microsoft bought a Mac only game developer in the first place: to sell thousands of original XBOXes. It succeeded then. And, guess what ? It was a great game. To apply reductio ad absudum to your argument, the games you favour would be the ones that suck and no-one buys ?

      Me ? I bought a PS1 because I wanted to play Tomb Raider, I bought a PS2 because I wanted to play the the latest incarnation of Tomb Raider, and I bought XBOX because I wanted to play Knights of the Old Republic. When the PS3 has a "must play" game, I expect I'll get that too. While it would be nice if all games appeared on all platforms simultaneously you can't avoid the fact that games ultimately do sell consoles.

      But, since the profit is in the games, not the consoles, why criticize the sale of consoles ?

    8. Re:Selling by dabraun · · Score: 1

      The indie gaming scene is required, but can't survive on locked-in consoles.


      While you are, in large part, right - if one console vendor is working on opening up these doors it's Microsoft. Sure, they're never going to let you make whatever games you want and sell them without paying royalties (that's their business model) - they are allowing random people to develop games within the confines of XNA and are even publishing some of the best of these for sale on XBLA.
    9. Re:Selling by Criterion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is Halo 3 a system seller? HELL yeah it is. Why is it a system seller? Do you think it is all flash and no substance? Do you honestly think that the first 2 were that way (yeah, yeah.. 2 was lacking some substance.. not because of it's content, but because they had to cut it short)? Let me tell you my point of view, as a brand new H3 owner of.. oh.. 3ish hrs now. Halo 3 is drop dead gorgeous, with amazingly fun gameplay and cutscenes that you actually WANT to watch. It is beyond what I could imagine. That it was a labor of love is obvious upon playing it (you naysayers can say what you want, this is not something that comes from people that are "just doing their job"). Halo 3 will finish a storyline which I find very interesting, and give me great pleasure while doing so. Do you not think that there is benefit to the players in a *highly* polished game, with excellent storyline, gameplay, replayability, graphics and sound? Why would you have such a problem with something that brings so much enjoyment to others? Because you feel we're being taken advantage of in some way? While that is a noble take on it, I for one can say with absolute certainty that I can quite look after myself.

      Yes, I love Halo. So sue me. ;)

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    10. Re:Selling by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Go to www.bungie.net - they actually have stats keeping track of those numbers. Them's some pretty big numbers. Already more than 4 million matches of Halo 3 (including Campaign - it keeps track of those too) or something like that.

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  21. Firefly stars by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

    Alan Tudyk's just glad he didn't have to wear a bright-green wet suit the whole time he was working on the project.

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  22. 4 person Co-op on Live works by e03179 · · Score: 1

    FYI: You can co-op the campaign over XBOX Live. 3 friends (from Philly, Washington, and Canada) and I have played through the game thrice already. Online co-op is a big deal and it's working.

    Bungie added a "meta-game" to the campaign. When my friends and I are playing through the campaign, we turn on scoring. This allows us to earn points throughout the campaign. The score is updated for each player on screen. Kill a Wraith. Get +2000 points. Kill a Grunt. Get +125 points. Activate some "skulls" that you've found, then a multiplier will be factored into your score.

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  23. Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's because of the Halo series of games that I will never, ever, buy a Microsoft game console. The game should be released on the PC at the same time as the console. The only reason it isn't is because Microsoft wants to sell more consoles. This is complete bullshit and they might as well be giving the PC gamers the finger. Fuck that. The sad thing is there are some games on the XBox that I really would like to play. They chose this route, and I'm stubborn enough to sacrifice some of my own fun because of it. I wonder how many other people feel the same way?

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    1. Re:Because of Halo by Swordopolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's because of the MGS series of games that I will never, ever, buy a Sony game console. The game should be released on the PC at the same time as the console. The only reason it isn't is because Sony wants to sell more consoles. This is complete bullshit and they might as well be giving the PC gamers the finger. Fuck that. The sad thing is there are some games on the PS2/3 that I really would like to play. They chose this route, and I'm stubborn enough to sacrifice some of my own fun because of it. I wonder how many other people feel the same way?

      This argument can be made for a LOT of games, not just the Halo series. Bawwwwwww a little more and maybe they'll listen.

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    2. Re:Because of Halo by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your argument. You're saying that you would buy an XBox to play some games that only exist on it, but you won't because there exists a game that only runs on the XBox? It makes perfect sense why Halo exists only for the XBox - why would they want to fragment their multiplayer fan base by releasing on multiple platforms. Years ago Bungie determined that Halo was more of a "sport" than a video game, and has been driving development of it since then with the primary focus being towards balancing multiplayer. It's not practical to have multiplayer title be cross-platform, Shadowrun notwithstanding.

      Plus, the ROI for console and console game sales is far greater than PC game sales. Why should Bungie/MS waste time & resources doing joint development, jeopardizing the release date of the 360 title, just for a marginal ROI that would be seen on sales of the PC version? Face it - PC game sales levels don't justify the kinds of budgets that A-list console titles pull down. PC gaming still has a place, but that place is niche gaming, independent gaming, and strategy wargaming.

      Finally, why would you want to buy the PC version? PCs are just a money pit when it comes to keeping a gaming rig current. You can easily spend the cost of a 360 on video cards alone each year just to maintain a machine that will play the latest & greatest FPS titles at maximum fidelity. It's not worth a company's time to produce massively expensive titles for a tiny fraction of the game-playing public.

      -BbT

    3. Re:Because of Halo by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      The original Halo was released for the PC, and Halo 2 was also released for the PC, albeit much later than the Xbox release and as yet another of Microsoft's "See? If you don't upgrade to Vista, you'll never be able to do this" incentives to buck up less-than-stellar sales of its latest grab for control of your desktop.

    4. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you do this with any company that makes any platform exclusive games, or is it that you're only outraged when its microsoft? Do you get as upset when somebody doesn't port a game over to Mac or Linux? This is ridiculous grandstanding on your part.

      Civilization Revolution is only for consoles not for PC. They're giving me the finger!

      Nintendo only makes games for nintendo products and not PC, they're giving me the fucking finger!

      The GTA games come out for PC later than consoles, Rockstar is giving me the finger!

      What the fuck kind of point are you making here other than "M$ bad!"?

    5. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halo was originally a PC only title (and quite a bit different from the Halo you know today from what I heard), until MS bought em out. Your argument has holes big enough for... something big... to go through.

    6. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      horseshit...

      you buy Halo 3 now, you can play Halo 3 for the next 3 years on the same video card...just because the cards get better doesn't mean your game that you bought right now magically needs better hardware. Besides...I've bought new gaming cards every 3 years and never had a problem playing any games. I have no problem with a card that can do 90% of what a game offers...it's only the professional and professional wannabes that buy cards every year. Or people who need to diversify their interests a little more.

    7. Re:Because of Halo by Swordopolis · · Score: 1

      Halo was originally a Mac title.

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    8. Re:Because of Halo by tholomyes · · Score: 1

      I, too, used to be bitter about Halo. It was originally developed for the Mac, way back in the day before Bungie got bought by MS. It took four years from when it was shown at MacWorld (1999) to when it finally was released for OS X (2003), and it didn't even support basic options like co-op play.

      However, you have to remember that MS doesn't really make money on the console itself. It makes the money back on games, and licensing the games. If you really, truly hate them, you can just go buy three or four consoles and no games, just to give them the finger right back!

      Or you could just not worry about it and play some damn games, already.

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    9. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the ROI for World Of Warcraft ~900mill/year and say that again.

      XBOX and PC games use the same API's, Textures, AI, etc. The reason they don't deploy on the PC at the same time as the XBOX is because PC gamers have higher standards. Just compare Crysis and Halo 3 if you want to understand how shitty 360's graphics are by todays standards.

    10. Re:Because of Halo by Swordopolis · · Score: 1

      Comparing apples to oranges here. World of Warcraft is so big, so immersive, and has so many options and controls that it would be futility to try and play it on a console.

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    11. Re:Because of Halo by Presence2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you've only discovered this about MS, many of us discovered this about BUNGIE seven years ago when they flipped off their loyal PC gamer fans.

    12. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      You're saying that you would buy an XBox to play some games that only exist on it, but you won't because there exists a game that only runs on the XBox?
      You fail at reading comprehension.

      It makes perfect sense why Halo exists only for the XBox - why would they want to fragment their multiplayer fan base by releasing on multiple platforms.
      IT DOESN'T EXIST ONLY FOR THE XBOX GENIUS. Furthermore, they are not fragmenting a fanbase who is already fragmented. PC FPS players hate to play FPS games on the consoles because CONSOLES ARE CONTROLS INFERIOR TO PCs.

      Plus, the ROI for console and console game sales is far greater than PC game sales. Why should Bungie/MS waste time & resources doing joint development, jeopardizing the release date of the 360 title, just for a marginal ROI that would be seen on sales of the PC version? Face it - PC game sales levels don't justify the kinds of budgets that A-list console titles pull down. PC gaming still has a place, but that place is niche gaming, independent gaming, and strategy wargaming.


      Fucking airchair economist who has no idea what he's talking about. Bungie has released Halo/2 for PC, they have already developed it cross platform, TWICE already. THERE IS ROI. The ONLY reason they don't release it right now for the PC is because Microsoft is MISTAKEN that they will make any more money by doing so. They are WRONG. Releasing it on the PC right now would sell MORE copies than later. The hype is here now. The game is new NOW. Releasing on the PC a year or more later is the wrong decision. They do not understand the fan base difference between PC FPS players and consoles.

      nally, why would you want to buy the PC version? PCs are just a money pit when it comes to keeping a gaming rig current. You can easily spend the cost of a 360 on video cards alone each year just to maintain a machine that will play the latest & greatest FPS titles at maximum fidelity. It's not worth a company's time to produce massively expensive titles for a tiny fraction of the game-playing public.


      Any good FPS player will tell you that the controls on a PC are superior. The mouse and keyboard player will always beat the equally skilled console player. So why don't Microsoft and Sony release mouse and keyboard controls for their consoles? Because they want to keep the distinction between consoles and PCs. This is stupid. The first company who realizes this and fixes it will immediately increase their sales in the console wars, and the others will be soon to follow. It's time for this now. Time to stop the arbitrary bullshit. It's been too long coming already.

      The only advantage a console gives you in the FPS games arena is that people cannot use aimbots and other hacks. If the consoles were allowed to have mouse and keyboard controls they would be IMMEDIATELY considered better than a PC for FPS gaming simply because of this fact that cheating, and installing cheat programs, on consoles, is much, much more difficult for the average cheater.

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    13. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      If one of the big console makers realized that adding mouse/keyboard support for FPS games would drastically increase FPS games sales on consoles maybe we'd be getting somewhere. I'd buy Halo/whatever for the consoles if they did that. And I promise you many other people would as well.

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    14. Re:Because of Halo by mxmissile · · Score: 1

      Amen... only if I had +10 mod points...

    15. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      I am a pretty calm person. It's not easy to get me riled up. But when someone starts spouting off bullshit about my favorite kind of games, FPS -- games which I have played professionally, games which I have loved since they existed, then I really just can't help it.

      My original post was modded flamebait. I understand that, because I came off with the attitude. Oh well... It's not like anything I said on Slashdot would make a difference anyway ;p

      But hey, at least you agree. I don't feel totally alone now.

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    16. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ONLY reason they don't release it right now for the PC is because Microsoft is MISTAKEN that they will make any more money by doing so. They are WRONG. Thats right, you know much more about running MS than MS. I guess if you were in charge they'd have untold TRILLIONS instead of the untold BILLIONS they have now?

      You are a fucking moron. MS knows what they are doing, and they have people much smarter than you making sure they don't miss out on every extra cent they can get into their pockets. You don't like the way they do business? Fine. But the idea that you know better is laughable.
    17. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      It's not just Microsoft. It's all the console makers. Microsoft happens to be 50% of the ones who make FPS games that I care about. Halo happens to be on a Microsoft console. I feel the same way about Sony.

      They both make the game for both PC and Console. They both release games for the console way, way earlier than the PC. They both have no good reason for it.

      They both piss me off because of it.

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    18. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      You don't know me. You have no idea what I do for a living. You have no place to tell me whether or not I know better, and there is NO PROOF to prove me wrong. I am speculating, yes. But you cannot tell me I am wrong simply because some corporation hasn't done something. Corporations have made mistakes in the past. MANY OF THEM. And many, many times there were people who were standing around going I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO. But wait, they have billions of dollars, they must be smarter than god!

      You are the fucking moron. Keep living believing that Corporate America knows better. Keep yourself in your little shell of a world. Keep letting them pull your puppet strings. You are pathetic. You are an example of why the USA is so fucked up right now, because you can't have a fucking original thought to save your life.

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    19. Re:Because of Halo by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      If there are so many games on the Xbox you'd like to play, then why don't you get an Xbox? Of course Microsoft wants to sell more Xboxes, so they withheld the PC version, in the exact same way they just bought Bungie out straight up to make Halo the "killer app" for the Xbox (as opposed to being a Mac/PC hybrid). It's called business. Unless it makes the game a steamy p.o.s, what's the harm?

    20. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know me. You are a very angry person posting ill-concieved rants on Slashdot. You have the spare time (and apparently the desire) to vehemently respond to every reply, even those made by AC's. Your website currently has no active users. From this information it is fair to say you don't know jack about what it takes to run a multibillion dollar corporation.
    21. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      What has this got to do with my website? It was a weekend project. I could care less if it has one or one million users. My friends use it for storing personal files and off-site linking them to various places. That is the primary purpose it exists. If someone wants to make what they upload public, the website allows that, for free. The rest is irrelevant, especially to this discussion.

      BTW, responding to replies to my posts doesn't take long, and I consider it a necessary part of continuing discussion. People post specific points. If I disgaree I reply with why I disagree. This reply took me all of one minute to type. Wow, that means I must've used a total of 10 (gasp) minutes of my time for this entire thread. I must have so much spare time...

      At least I'm not an AC coming here posting without the balls to login, and making empty statements which they cannot possibly backup. You don't know jack what I know about running a corporation.

      You know, I'm not really angry. I'm frustrated that people can be so dense. Isn't this supposed to be Slashdot? The land where Corporate America is always on trial?

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    22. Re:Because of Halo by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      Nice to see that NERD RAGE and ARBITRARY CAPITALIZATION are still alive and well here on /.

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    23. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you could run a corporation as well as MS is run, then you'd have plenty of better things to do than check for replies from AC's on Slashdot, or whine that you can't use a keyboard and mouse to play a video game.

    24. Re:Because of Halo by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Any good FPS player will tell you that the controls on a PC are superior. The mouse and keyboard player will always beat the equally skilled console player. So why don't Microsoft and Sony release mouse and keyboard controls for their consoles?

      I would correct that somewhat: The best controls for a FPS are a high-resolution pointer in one hand, and an array of accessible buttons in the other. It doesn't have to be a mouse/keyboard combo. The Wii comes close, but I'm not convinced the wiimote is precise and fast enough to completely replace a mouse. However, I think something could be built that's much improved over a keyboard.

      There seems to be some reluctance by console manufacturers to sell keyboard/mouse combos for consoles; maybe they don't want to open that whole can of worms. But some sort of FPS interface controller could be sold, that had the same functionality but was more focused on console gameplay.

    25. Re:Because of Halo by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

      Everybody hates Vista, entire countries are involved in lawsuits with Microsoft, and it is being run well?

      ROFL

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      I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
    26. Re:Because of Halo by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1

      You still haven't answered my question as to why you'd want to buy the XBox to play XBox-only games, but you won't because Halo is XBox only.

      Of course FPS's control better with a mouse than they do with a controller. Who cares? My car has better handling than a motorcycle; it doesn't mean riding a motorcycle is less fun. Everyone on a given platform is using the same controller, so it all evens out. Sure, using a controller is harder at first. You probably don't remember, but using a mouse was hard too - I still have friends that play FPS games on the PC using only keyboard, no mouse, because they believe the control is more "precise".

      Frankly, I'll take a little slop in my controller over aimbots any day. Plus, I find the controller gives a more "realistic" feeling when playing simply because I can't be superhumanly accurate with my aiming like you can with a mouse. I rarely feel panicked when playing an FPS on the PC - it's just too easy. On a console, it's more immersive experience.

      -BbT

    27. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen Bioshock on the 360. Looks pretty damned good to me.

      You're using ONE PC game as justification to say the 360 has shitty graphics? Not only that, you're using a game that isn't even out yet, and will require at least $1000 of PC hardware to run at decent framerates with any of the eyecandy turned on, and comparing it to a system that costs $400.

      Got an agenda? Or are you just a juvenile with insecurity issues?

    28. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just calm down, kid. You're going to have high blood pressure and a heart attack before you're 17.

    29. Re:Because of Halo by dabraun · · Score: 1

      They both make the game for both PC and Console. They both release games for the console way, way earlier than the PC. They both have no good reason for it.


      They have great reasons for it! They sell more copies with higher profit margins ($10 more per copy on average - and that's ignoring special editions) and it's extremely important to each of them that they sell as many consoles as they can. They ship the big games for the console first so that they can have the secondary effect of selling consoles - and so that they can avoid being distracted and/or delaying their release dates by the far less important (in terms of sales) PC version. They'll port to PC later and make some more money - the margins will be good because most of the work was done upfront for the console version. So if by "no good reason" you mean "excellent business justification" then we totally agree :)
    30. Re:Because of Halo by southmc · · Score: 0

      It would have rocked on the Mac, instead of the numbers they have today, it would have likely sold like 4 copies. Of course you realize that when it was planned for the mac it was to be a RTS instead of a FPS. So maybe that dream will still come true with halowars. http://digg.com/gaming_news/Halo_Wars_Trailer

    31. Re:Because of Halo by Criterion · · Score: 1

      And here we go again with the frothing at the mouth rant because somebody is denied their keyboard and mouse. You might look into a bit of anger management before you have an aneurysm.

      I've heard it all before, so don't waste your time trying to convert me. I quite like my controller, and yes, I've played FPS games since Wolf3D, so please don't insult me by assuming I "just don't know any better".. or some such other nonsense.

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    32. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing about Halo 2 for the PC. It won't run on my Vista box, but there is a hack on the net which will make it run on my XP box. Same system, dual boot. All drivers up to date. It just won't run on Vista

    33. Re:Because of Halo by PhantomBlot · · Score: 1

      Of course FPS's control better with a mouse than they do with a controller. Who cares? ... Everyone on a given platform is using the same controller, so it all evens out.
      Frankly, I'll take a little slop in my controller over aimbots any day. Plus, I find the controller gives a more "realistic" feeling when playing simply because I can't be superhumanly accurate with my aiming like you can with a mouse. I rarely feel panicked when playing an FPS on the PC - it's just too easy. On a console, it's more immersive experience.

      Well, to each their own I suppose...but frankly I'm not really following your argument. To me it is equivalent to saying (forgive the painfully lame baseball analogy): "it's okay if everyone has to use a nice glazed ham when batting because everyone else has to use a ham too! Besides, the fact that everyone in the field is using a bra to catch the ball evens it out."

      I recall playing FPS on consoles years ago, and some were pretty good but they did feel rather lacking is depth and substance. Ultimately though, I suspect that console companies do not offer such a controller scheme (or something like the Fang + mouse) simply because it would require the person to be behind some sort of flat surface to be comfortable (read: a desk, table, etc..). To roll that out with a new console would be a negative thing in the eyes of many folks who only know the gamepad controller and find it intimidating. This would probably drive down sales. To introduce it as an optional peripheral would mean that game programmers would not spend a heck of a lot of time coding configurations and full support since it is a niche market as most folks would still be using the controllers as they are "free" (as in they already paid for them when they bought the console).

      So, I get why they don't roll out keypad/mouse support, but ultimately I think that the first company that does will surge ahead in the market. PCs ARE expensive, so such a controller scheme would really tempt may PC gamers, especially with what appears to be a slowing in the PC gaming marking (IMHO). In addition, it opens the doors to, shutter, MMORPGs and other styles of game that demand more complex input mechanisms. Do me, that's probably the biggest thing. While I'm not a WoW fan, I can only imagine the goldmine that awaits for Console 'X' who suddenly has the means to support a port of it.
    34. Re:Because of Halo by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1

      I'm not really following your argument. To me it is equivalent to saying (forgive the painfully lame baseball analogy): "it's okay if everyone has to use a nice glazed ham when batting because everyone else has to use a ham too! Besides, the fact that everyone in the field is using a bra to catch the ball evens it out."


      Maybe we just come from different planets, because your analogy seems to illustrate my point clearly - playing baseball with bras and hams would make perfect sense, if that's what the rules of the game were. Just because something is easier (mouse & keyboard), doesn't mean that's what you should use. I'm sure it would be easier to get home runs if the bat were larger, or more strikeouts if the ball were smaller, but the rules are what they are. Ideally you want to balance the rules of a sport or game such that it is easy enough for novices to muddle about in, but difficult enough such that mastery is not trivial. It's quite possible (although I doubt this was a consideration in the design of console shooters) that the difficulty curve of mouse/keyboard control is such that you don't get a good distribution of skill levels - everyone "masters" it too quickly and you you're left with a group where everyone who's played the game for a month or two is pretty much equal in skill, barring the superstar-savants that play professionally.

      The fact that consoles use a common controller (more or less), not to mention common computing hardware, is what makes them so much more appealing from a competitive standpoint than the PC domain, where someone might have an ultra-high rez display, or mouse with extra features, or cheats. There are sports where the design of the equipment is a big part of the competition (auto racing, for example), but it's not appropriate for a mass-market online game where 95% of the players are going to be using the equipment that came with the system they bought. Introducing an alternative control scheme into a competitive online game like Halo would just complicate things, unless the game chose to segregate players into groups based on the controller they were using.

      -BbT
    35. Re:Because of Halo by PhantomBlot · · Score: 1
      I see your point about hams and bras, but I'm not quite convinced. For example, in real baseball (non-ham version), they still get to use equipment with a variety of attributes...not all exactly the same (well, the ball is always the same). But, that being said, the controller differences (pad vs. mouse/keyboard) are vastly different so it isn't really like comparing different brands of bats...so I can certainly see your position.

      everyone "masters" it too quickly and you you're left with a group where everyone who's played the game for a month or two is pretty much equal in skill ...ah, now this I can't agree with. Uber skilled folks aside, everyone does tend to peak controller wise at about the same level with a keyboard and mouse...but that's a good thing. The difference between sucking and being a master shouldn't be in how well you manage to use the controls (exception being simulators of course), but rather how well you use the game mechanics to your advantage. A couple of examples:
      -- Tactical FPS (Battlefield, CoD, TF2, etc.): Teamwork, stealth, intelligence, situational awareness, etc..
      -- MMORPG (Guild Wars, WoW, Vanguard, etc.): Equipment selection, professions, character builds (attribute levels, spell sets, etc.).
      I would argue that if the ability to use the controller is the key determiner of a poor player versus a good one, then the controller is a big problem since it should be intuitive enough that gaining sufficient skill with it is trivial.

      Now, regarding what you said about competition: I actually was semi-pro (pro league but in a lower ranked team) in Battlefield 2142 and you definitely have a point there. In MOST competitions on the PC, you have no way of being sure that the other team isn't cheating. Sure, there PunkBuster and the like, but they aren't that good and always are behind the curve. Beyond that, the playing field isn't level to begin with since some folks have uber systems while others are working with minimal requirements (if that). Ironically, the latter issue influences the former in that folks who are not cheating often are accused of it merely due to the power (or lack there of) of their rig and how they've got it configured. The truly high-level PC matches are like high-level console tournament matches and take part on tournament systems setup by the tournament administrators...but that's an experience that very few folks ever get.
    36. Re:Because of Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmm, I'm pretty sure that BUNGIE was never did any PC titles, if you were a rabid MAC user then you might have something to complain about...

    37. Re:Because of Halo by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1

      ...ah, now this I can't agree with. Uber skilled folks aside, everyone does tend to peak controller wise at about the same level with a keyboard and mouse...


      I was only putting it forth as a possibility, not really pushing it. But I know from my own experience that I've never felt as confident using the controller as I have with the keyboard/mouse. Our social group contains players that have all been playing Halo for 3 years or more, yet there is clearly a great difference in controller aptitude, as evidenced in low-strategy games like "Slayer". The best player in our group routinely scores 10x the number of kills as the worst player when we play against each other. I rank about 3rd in our group, and I know that my issues all have to do with aiming control. I never felt that was an issue when I was playing games like Team Fortress Classic or Counterstrike on the PC. Of course, when we get really slaughtered online by other players in team games, it's usually due to better teamwork on their part, but frequently it's because they have an uncommonly good player that scores almost all the kills for those teams. This happens frequently enough that I can't include these modest superstars in the ranks of the Uber.

      -BbT
    38. Re:Because of Halo by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      The Xbox 360 does support a keyboard and mouse. USB, of course. Just plug the bastard in and your game should work with it. I think your game itself needs to support it though, a few don't. Don't believe anyone who throws you links to articles about a PS3 game supporting a mouse and keyboard acting as if only the PS3 could possibly do it.

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  24. No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I wonder how many people are aware that 'gypped' is a racial slur."

    Gypsies aren't a race. No, they aren't. NO THEY AREN'T.

    Second, there is no definitive proof that the word "gypped/gipped" originated with gypsies.

    So fuck off with your incorrect, jumping the gun to call others racist PC bullshit.

    Lastly, since gypsies make it a point to defraud non-gypsies (don't bother arguing, I'll bury you under sources that show it as historical fact) I'd be careful calling it racist when it's a point they seem to take great pride in.

    Maybe you're the one who is racist with the assumptions you make?

    1. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gypsies aren't a race. No, they aren't. NO THEY AREN'T. Actually, many Sinti and Roma do have notable distinguishing features, and although other nomadic groups of people are often refered to as gypsies as well, these traditional gypsy tribes will typically fiercely defend their genuineness. Also, classical German ethnic studies do classify gypsies as distinctly separate from ordinary vagabonds and bands of traveling thieves.

      On the other hand it could be argued that the gypsy race is in fact a subgroup of people of slavic origin, and as such you may well have a point when you state that the gook who posted this is not entirely correct in calling this a 'racial slur'.
  25. Any word on production? by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 1

    Is there any word on how many copies they managed to pump out for US release?

    1. Re:Any word on production? by MooseMuffin · · Score: 4, Funny

      My latest figures indicate somewhere between a shitload and a fuckton.

    2. Re:Any word on production? by riffzifnab · · Score: 1

      You and your metric units, your speaking American, use our units too. How many Library of Congresses is a shitload or a fuckton (and was that a "skeezy porn" or a "back woods deliverance" fuckton)? The world needs to know or "they" have already won. (think of the children)

  26. Hmmmm by powerlord · · Score: 1
    After these choice bits:

    I hope you were paying attention at the end of Halo 2, because the folks at Bungie don't waste any time getting new players up to speed.

    and

    If you are a fan of the previous games, the story of Halo 3 is going to satisfy your need to see things wrapped up. What it's not going to do is surprise you. The plot plays out pretty much the way you'd expect, though the writers do make some very mature choices towards the end of the tale that distinguish it a bit from every other hero's journey.


    I have to wonder if this game is for me though.

    Yeah, somehow I must have been living under a rock and not played the first two Halos.

    I know that a game doesn't have to cater to new followers (who may as well be completely in the dark), as well as "The Faithful", but from the perspective of the review, it seems that they aren't even a blip on the radar.
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  27. How terribly unreasonable. by Soulfader · · Score: 1

    Damn them for wanting to maximize profits on their product offerings.

  28. point of view by snarkh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year.

    From a certain point of view a mouse is without a doubt the biggest animal in a forest.

    1. Re:point of view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh puh-leeze.

      From a certain point of view, you look like an idiot.

      Halo 3 IS the biggest game this year. Look at the marketing, merchandising, the community, the pre-order sales. I dare you to name one game released this year that even comes close to Halo 3. [$150 million of pre-orders and climbing last I heard.] Just what, exactly do you want Halo 3 to do before it becomes 'biggest game of the year'? Oh wait, that's right, it doesn't matter to you. You're one of those elitest jerks who have a preconceived notion that not only does Halo suck, but no one likes it. You keep on living in your dream world little mans. I, and about 10 million others, will be enjoying our Halo 3.

    2. Re:point of view by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Um. I believe the grandparent was making fun, not of Halo 3, but of the poorly-written summary.

      (And if you didn't realize the summary was poorly written, and you weren't expecting it to be made fun of, well, you must be new here.)

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  29. Re:Hey Zonk by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Norwegian reviewer gave the game 4/6, and received death threats from fanboys. Probably not serious ones -- everyone knows a console controller doesn't teach you to aim the same way a PC with a mouse does -- but various people in the comment section advised the man to get a bullet proof vest.

    Because of this, I won't dare publishing my review of the holy Qur'an, which I rate at 4 out of 7 (better than the New Testament, but not quite as good as Dostoevsky, Philip K. Dick and Halo 2).

  30. Maybe by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

    Fallout 3?

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  31. You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try telling people to their face that its a racial slur... instead of on the net.. im sure you just wanted to say something.. and you did.. like a child wandering into a grown ups conversation....I am responsible for calling you a Gypsie ass pussy... BTW you got GYPPED...

  32. Video Game Hype? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Do people still play those 'computer game' things? I suppose they have a fancy 3D Ms Pacman or something by now.

    How many quarters does it take to pay a game of this 'halo' thing anyway? If i remember right, it was like a buck to play that videodisk based fantasy game. ( damned if i can remember its name.. )

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    1. Re:Video Game Hype? by DataBroker · · Score: 1

      If i remember right, it was like a buck to play that videodisk based fantasy game. ( damned if i can remember its name.. )

      That would be Dragon's Lair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Lair) Fun to watch, expensive to play back in the day.
    2. Re:Video Game Hype? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      That would be Dragon's Lair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Lair [wikipedia.org]) Fun to watch, expensive to play back in the day.

      Funny, that's kinda how I feel about all videogames today. People really spend $500 on a video card? Pull the other one.

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  33. From a certain point of view by SpeedyDX · · Score: 4, Funny

    From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year. From a certain point of view? That's like saying, "from the vantage point of having my face two inches away from the backside of a fat lady, her ass is the biggest object in the world!"

    Perspective. It's all about perspective.
    1. Re:From a certain point of view by Muhs · · Score: 1

      While I don't agree with his argument, I think it's still pretty damn funny. Someone mod this up funny, I wish I could.

  34. i know black people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and they say the n word, doesnt make it ok for slashdot to do it

  35. Rent the first one and see. by gknoy · · Score: 1

    Somehow I must have been living under a rock and not played the first two Halos... [F]rom the perspective of the review, it seems that [new players] aren't even a blip on the radar.
    While I haven't played Halo 2, I did play (and greatly enjoyed) Halo 1 on PC. If you own an XBox, or a 360, or can borrow/rent one, you might consider renting Halo 1 and playing it through (even on an easier level, which while it has fewer plot-goodies in its cutscenes, has less controller-breaking elements).

    Having never played Marathon, I was completely blown away by how well the story was told. Maybe it was just that it *had* a story, but keep in mind that as a PC gamer I have played Half Life, and Deus Ex. Halo had its rough spots (whether in gameplay or story), but overall was an excellent game. So good, that if it had been released on PC, I'd have bought Halos 2 and 3 in a heartbeat.

    Playing Halo 1 will acquaint you with the major character (the Master Chief), and you'll understand basics about who the Covenant are (jihadistic aliens w/ superior weaponry), who the Flood are (a galaxy-devouring parasite), etc. From there, you can decide whether you want to rent/borrow Halo 2 (or just read the plot synopsis at Wikipedia ;)), and whether you want to play Halo 3.
    1. Re:Rent the first one and see. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Having never played Marathon, I was completely blown away by how well the story was told. Maybe it was just that it *had* a story, but keep in mind that as a PC gamer I have played Half Life, and Deus Ex. Halo had its rough spots (whether in gameplay or story), but overall was an excellent game. So good, that if it had been released on PC, I'd have bought Halos 2 and 3 in a heartbeat. Um, Halo 1 and 2 have BOTH been released on PC. Halo 1 doesn't even require Vista (it was ported by Gearbox way back in the day) while Halo 2 does (DX 10 required). Halo 1 is even available on Mac if you swing that way.
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  36. Ok i'll bite by sam_paris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyway, simply put, if a game isn't good, it doesn't sell well. Halo 3 is big deal for one reason, both Halo and Halo 2 were great games. Halo 2 in particular is renowned for its incredibly well made multiplayer.

    In addition Halo 3 has 2 and 4 player coop, offline and online. Full gameplay recording, both single and multi, which can be played back with slowmo, free camera etc. It also has the inbuilt garrys mod style editor: "Forge". Which can even be used during a multiplayer game.

    As for myself, i've been gaming since I was around 7 years old (1990) and have played pretty much every great FPS there is, including doom, doom 2, quake 1,2,3, half life 1,2, RTCW, Deus Ex, System Shock, Bioshock, The original marathons 1,2, Chronicles of Riddick, Goldeneye and probably a lot more I can't remember.

    I actually much preferred Halo 2 to Half-Life 2. And indeed, so little did I care for Half Life 2's story that I didn't even complete that particular game. With Halo however, I actually care about the characters and want to know what happens. That's why I enjoyed halo and halo 2. Sure the environments repeated a bit and the story isn't totally incredibly original, but what Halo does well is the basic gameplay and "30 seconds of fun" is *surprise* incredibly fun.

    But of course, all those magazines and websites who are rating Halo 3 so well are all wrong. And you mr Internet man are obviously correct.

    1. Re:Ok i'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Whenever someone chimes in with examples of why Halo lives up to it's hype, we get different stories.

      sure the environments repeated a bit and the story isn't totally incredibly original - What? It's always a different excuse.

      I'm going with my gut instincts, Halo is a mediocre PC game.

      Lets get them all straight, what makes Halo stand out?

      Story?
      Multiplayer?
      Single player?
      Online?

      Best thing available on the XBox at the time? *cough*

      Sorry, but incredibly unoriginal story & too many reused environments? Sounds a lot like any other game to me. Thats all Halo is, just another game, and it's WAY over-hyped.
    2. Re:Ok i'll bite by sam_paris · · Score: 1

      Like I said before, if a game sucks, it doesn't become over-hyped. Halo 3 is hyped so much because a lot of people love it. People don't love stuff that sucks. Game Magazines don't give 9/10 and 10/10 for bad games. Go back to your cave, troll :(

    3. Re:Ok i'll bite by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      It gets hyped because Microsoft pays channels like G4 to run "Halo 3 Live Countdown" shows. It's all hype. There are more people playing Wii Sports than the total number of Xbox 360 owners in the world.

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    4. Re:Ok i'll bite by sam_paris · · Score: 1

      No its not "all hype". Check the review scores. Websites like gamespot dont give every game 9.5/10. Check what they gave Bioshock.

  37. I'm racist against Pirates by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    When did gypsies get their own race? Does that mean I can start being racist against Pirates now too?

    1. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by thegnu · · Score: 1

      ethnic. Sorry.

      But yeah, if the pirates are portuguese, by all means.

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    2. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Sweet. So when is "National Talk Like a Gypsy Day"?

    3. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      When did gypsies get their own race? You need to do some reading. Start here.
    4. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean the ETHNIC GROUP that your own link talks about? Sorry, I knew where I was going with my own joke, and it still stands. Gypsy is an ethnicity, not a race.

    5. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by superiority · · Score: 1

      When did gypsies get their own race?
      About 3000 years ago.
    6. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by superiority · · Score: 1
      From here:

      the distinction between the ethnicity and race remains debatable among anthropologists
      A joke that relies on such a dubious distinction is therefore a poor one.
    7. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Yep, and although it remains deabatable, I fall on the side of Gypsies being a band (hehe, pun intended) of culturally similar east europeans...in otherwords, they can be categorized by ethnicity, not race. Although I generally like Wikipedia, could you cite something (even wikipedia if you must) that actually refers to Gypsies as a recognized race?

      Man, this is soooo off topic. You killed my joke. Argghhhhh, matey.

    8. Re:I'm racist against Pirates by drsquare · · Score: 1

      But what about non-Romani gypsies, such as the Irish travellers?

  38. Accurately tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "its no tits" accurately depicts my feelings on the matter.

    1. Re:Accurately tagged by AgentPaper · · Score: 1

      Mod parent funny. Probably the best line I've heard about ANY video game.

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  39. It's almost as if... by darkhitman · · Score: 1

    ...Zonk WANTS to pour more gasoline on the Halo 3 fire.

    I mean, I don't see what he thought reviewing Halo 3 would do. By now, he's got to realize people are going to read the first 3 lines of the summary, misquote him and proceed to flame people who don't agree with them... posting this review will change the opinions of like zero people.

    Anyway, carry on with the flame war, guys.... trust me when I say I REALLY care about how you've played every FPS in existence and Halo 3 is the worst/best one ever. Seriously.

    /popcorn

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    1. Re:It's almost as if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posting this review will change the opinions of like zero people.
       
      "Reviews" are opinions. It's not meant to change anyone's mind about anything.

  40. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Jewelery" has it's roots in the Jewish gold trade in the Middle Ages. By your (stupid) rationale, we should no longer be able to use this word to mean what it means, even though it's in common use and the average person isn't aware of the connection.

    You, sir, are a complete and utter moron.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gypsy Moth offend anyone (pest by many opinions)? How about French Fries (greasy French)? Grammar Nazi's? I'm sure we could come up with plenty of others.

      Jim

    2. Re:Ridiculous by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Jewellery had it's origin in Jewel, which come from the French for plaything. You chump.

  41. yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot: Where it's just as cool to hate Halo 3 as it is to support Apple for screwing people on iAnything. "But it brings nothing new to the table", "There are better products out there"... yup.

  42. Well Jack... by eepok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, Jack Thompson hates it. It must be good. That's all the review I need anymore. Hey eepok, Butt-Darts 4 is coming out tomorrow! What's Jack think? He says it will summon the anti-christ if even one child plays it. What time does Best Buy open?

  43. console shooter experience. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "one of the best console shooter experiences, hands down."

    Oh, the fat man made a funny!

  44. MS not responsible for user idiocy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live is working fine for me with no change in lag or packet loss.

    The update merely added support for wireless controllers for some new game and the one before that added wireless guitar support for guitar hero III.

    Stop whining, the issue is with your internet connection end of story. MS tell you to reboot your router and so forth because the issue is at your end.

    Whilst you can bitch about MS over a lot of things, they have no control over the capabilities of your internet connection so accept that it's that at fault and go bitch at your ISP or go find a new one. Don't try and shift the blame for your refusal of acceptance of the problem on MS though because it just shows you up as the idiot you clearly are.

    1. Re:MS not responsible for user idiocy. by dindi · · Score: 1

      I think people like you (of course anonymous) would find a perfect place at one of these support places.

      Congratulations on your intelligent comment.

      Multiple forums are full of people who have trouble with certain games after the update. I Only play 2 games online, and one totally got useless after the update. Suddenly all the players have a problem with their net,

      Oh, btw being able to list only ranked mathces, and not player matches (while be able to play perfectly). is yes uhmm ... a clear indication of a network ploblem on my end you retarded troll.

  45. Release Halo 1 and 2 with XBox360 GFX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are they going to do this so you can play the whole storyline out in all it's X-Box 360 goodness?

  46. shorter & shorter by tabby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once upon a time there were 20 hour FPS games & in times of yore even longer single player campaigns. Now a 10 hour single player campaign....

    So how long is it going to be before there are no single player FPS's at all? I've never been thrilled by Halo multiplayer, TeamFortress2 looks interesting but I do like my single player, my 'stories' as it were.

    I guess I was fooling myself that Halo3 was going to be anything but a multiplayer game with a campaign tacked on as an after thought.

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    1. Re:shorter & shorter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So how long is it going to be before there are no single player FPS's at all?

      Erm, Counter Strike and Red Orchestra are the first two to come to mind, and UT, which had a token single player to be honest.

    2. Re:shorter & shorter by videomadeflesh · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time there were 20 hour FPS games & in times of yore even longer single player campaigns.
      So, times of yore was 3 weeks ago when Bioshock came out?
    3. Re:shorter & shorter by tabby · · Score: 1

      are you disagreeing with me or agreeing ?

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  47. *VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by reidconti · · Score: 1

    Can someone please answer this question for me? I swear to god, I've cruised game sites for days and googled it every way I know how, and there seems to be no answer on the Internet to this most basic of all questions:

    Does Halo 3 have 4-player split-screen multiplayer?

    I don't understand why this answer cannot be found anywhere. It took me days (as a non-hardcore FPS gamer) to understand that co-op/campaign and multiplayer were different (okay, I get it now, multiplayer is the opposite of co-op). I have found sites that mention how many players you can have via system-link or XBox live for co-op (4) or multiplayer (I think 16). I have even seen sites that tout "split-screen multiplayer" without saying whether this is 2-player split-screen, or 4-player. I have seen screenshots of 2-player split screen, but mostly everyone goes for the eye-candy of full screen screenshots.

    So, does Halo 3 have this feature? It is truly the best thing in the world to play 4-player with your friends in one room, on one tv, while you trash talk. Sure, the screen is a bit small, but 4 games on one 46" 1080p TV is a hell of a lot better than when we were doing this on 25" TVs with only 480 lines of resolution.

    I thank you greatly for your response. Yeah, I've got H3 on preorder, but I'll be buying a couple more controllers if it supports 4-player split screen. I'm sort of afraid I won't even be able to tell once I have my hands on the game, unless I have a 3rd controller turned on to test..

    1. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by MooseMuffin · · Score: 1

      I can't say for sure, but considering they had this in Halo 1 and 2, I would assume its in 3 also.

    2. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes. And Yes. It's right there on their website. Some idiot gamesite started that rumor and for some reason it's stick really hard.

    3. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by Sibko · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't have four-way splitscreen. You can have two way horizontal splitscreen, but that's it. [not sure about two-way vertical] I'm pretty sure it's a technical problem with the HUD not displaying well for the many, many different kinds of TV's out there when you do 4 way splitscreen, but you'd have to ask an engineer at Bungie. I remembered they were asked a question about this in a weekly update, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find it.

    4. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by reidconti · · Score: 1

      This is like a sick joke. Even the reply to my desperate plea for help is just more confusion. I guess I'll find out tomorrow AM :)

    5. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This link was posted upthread a bit:

      http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=thesoundofsack

      It is about online co-op, but see this bit:

      Split-screen co-op is as ever, limited to two players per screen - but they can if they wish join two other friends online or via System Link.

    6. Re:*VERY SIMPLE* Halo 3 multiplayer question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Halo 3 have 4-player split-screen multiplayer?
       
      Yes. Under 'Network Mode' settings, the 'LOCAL' option states "Up to 4 players may play splitscreen".

      It took me days (as a non-hardcore FPS gamer) to understand that co-op/campaign and multiplayer were different (okay, I get it now, multiplayer is the opposite of co-op).
       
      Multiplayer means just what it says: more than one person playing the game. "Co-op" stands for co-operative, usually meaning multiple players play as a team. So co-op is actually a form of multiplayer. "Campaigns" are simply what Halo 3 (among other games) call the story-line based segments. Campaigns get divided into missions, missions into objectives, etc.

  48. Re:Most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by the preorders, it sure sounds like there are millions that disagree with your point of view.

  49. Re:Zonk you filthy faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...middle-aged and my life revolves around games."

    Feeding the trolls and all that, but damn, I though most people on this site (and many other places) would kill to be able to live that life and get paid for it...

    I'm thinking you might be barking up the wrong tree here.

  50. Thanks for the warning by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    I hope you were paying attention at the end of Halo 2, because the folks at Bungie don't waste any time getting new players up to speed.

    Thanks for the warning. :) I have not played the other games since the 360 is my first xbox.
    It seemed like Halo 3 was for people who had played the other two. I wasn't sure about buying it. Now I know that I shouldn't.
    1. Re:Thanks for the warning by dabraun · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the warning. :) I have not played the other games since the 360 is my first xbox.
      It seemed like Halo 3 was for people who had played the other two. I wasn't sure about buying it. Now I know that I shouldn't.


      I didn't play the other two (ditto, 360 my first xbox, wasn't interested enough to play last gen title on it, and, hey! no achievements!!) - but I'm getting Halo 3 - 4-player live co-op (take what gears did right and do it for 4 players instead of two). Every game should let you play the *actual* story with multiple players ... R6 Vegas lets you do it but you miss the cutscenes :(

      That, and Forge is so much fun ...
    2. Re:Thanks for the warning by Pollardito · · Score: 1
      rest assured, he doesn't even bother to wait until the next paragraph to contradict himself:

      That said, once you're in the thick of things you don't need to know a lot about the past two games to enjoy 3's story.
  51. Halo: The Future of Gaming by lowy · · Score: 1
  52. Halo 3 - The future of gaming by FoolsGold · · Score: 1

    These guys have already made a short documentary about what the Halo series has meant for humanity:

    http://www.loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/228/Halo%3A+The+Future+of+Gaming

  53. Careful, Zonk by Funk_dat69 · · Score: 1

    "..I'm reluctant to say more, as I'm not sure what's common knowledge at this point, but blah blah blah..."


    Well, Zonk, since THE GAME ISNT EVEN OUT YET, the amount of 'common knowledge' is pretty damn close to zilch. Not that it matters all that much. I've always found the story to be kind of lacking in the Halo games. All the characters look alike. It's pretty fun mindless shooter, tho.
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  54. Advertisement, pure and simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " From a certain point of view, Halo 3 is without a doubt the biggest game of the year. "

    I don't doubt that, if the point of view is from somebody paid by MS. Fat bank account closes your eyes very effectively and if Halo is the only game you can see, it will be very big, literally blocking your sight.

    "Biggest game of the year" is also an non-founded advertisment as year hasn't ended yet and there are some good games yet to be released around Christmas. We'll see that in January 2008.

  55. I'm irritatingly writing this by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

    I also saw none of the 'texture popping' that I annoyingly associate with last-gen titles.

    You mean that it's annoying that you associate 'texture popping' with last-gen titles?

    You keep using that sentence construction. I don't think it means what you think it means. :-)

  56. Re:Hey Zonk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't they release the game for PCs? I recall that at least Deus Ex had a much better playability on a PC than on an Xbox. There is so much more things you can do with a keyboard and a mouse, no?

  57. so, so wrong by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    if gaming has a blockbuster franchise to match the movie industry's punch, it's the tale of Master Chief

    Give me a break. Just look at the sales numbers, production cost, soundtrack, and acting talent (and just plain GAMEPLAY, in fact!) If gaming "has a blockbuster franchise to match the movie industry's punch", there is NO WAY it's Halo. The real blockbuster has 3 letters, not 4. And they spell GTA.

    1. Re:so, so wrong by Zelos · · Score: 1

      Exactly, Halo 2 is 18th on the list of bestselling console games. On the list of bestselling franchises it's even further down, far below Mario, Pokemon, Sonic or The Sims. Link

  58. I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one am quite disgusted (once again) that microsoft got more free publicity and advertising from every news outlet in the country. Does TV news announce other peoples products? Windows95 can best be described as craptacular. Yet on TV WOW, its the second coming, lets all go out and get ourselves a copy. Thanks TV news people, you have managed yet one more time to bend over.

  59. Re:like comparing Halo 3 to Pokemon by Criterion · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I guess that's why in the interviews I've seen with Asian players the vast majority of them thought it was good, but hard to play, because they like easier, more casual games. Yeah, they're really hardcore over there.

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  60. Re:like comparing Halo 3 to Pokemon by Criterion · · Score: 1

    "Halo 3's target audience is 8-14 year olds"

    Is that what that big "M" thingy on the cover means? Cool.. I wondered about that, one of life's great mysteries. *rolls eyes*

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  61. Re:like comparing Halo 3 to Pokemon by phildawg · · Score: 1

    lol wow a foolish slashdot reader, hard to come by, haha, maybe you should do some reading first before you comment. Research has shown that M games target the 10-14 year old audience because they 'think it's cool' and that is why there is so much flak on gaming in general right now. I don't remember the statistic off hand, but I think an M rated game out sells a teen rated game by about 10 to 1??? So go back to playing your kiddy games, I'll stick to real games like World in Conflict, Bioshock, and the likes.

  62. Re:like comparing Halo 3 to Pokemon by phildawg · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised they even found an asian player in Asia who owned an xbox, lol. Are you sure those aren't Asian American's? They have been pretty dumbed the fook down since they were born in the US.

  63. Scratched discs and NO anti-aliasing? by huidafa · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is going to have a HUGE number of returns on their hands if my experience at the Walmart in Gilroy, California was any indication.

    When I told the customer service rep I wanted the Limited Edition, he said the last couple of customers had already returned theirs, since the discs were all scratched up. (The Limited Edition comes in a metal case.) It turns out that the case has a poor design that causes the disc to easily pop out and start banging around loose. So after I paid, they opened my box up, and found that the discs were scratched up enough that they exchanged it on the spot. We ended up opening three more of them until they found one that was in pristine condition.

    With that kind of defect rate, Microsoft could easily have a huge problem on their hands.

    I'm already starting to see news reports on Google News that this problem is widespread.

    One other thing. I'm a bit disappointed that Halo 3 appears to have no anti-aliasing at all. It's painful to see all those jaggies on an HD display. I suppose most players are using standard def TVs to play, but it still sucks that such a supposedly modern game title is not using AA.

  64. What is happening with local co-op ? by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    I refuse to buy ANY game without local co-op. The first bomberman for the 360 screwed the crap out of me (though it was my own damn fault I didn't even look at the box before I bought it...) Since when does "multiplayer" omit multiple LOCAL players? My favorite console is still the N64 for that very reason.

    I don't know when it started but games are omitting local co-op or multiplayer "in favor" of online modes. Both Crackdown and Motorstorm pissed me off for this reason.

    Since you have a 360, and like Bomberman I highly recommend the Bomberman "Live" version. It's FAR better than ZERO, $10 and supports 8 players online or 4 players local. Also if you are a fan of Local Multiplayer you may want to consider getting a Wii (if you haven't already) since that's where it excels most. As a bonus on the VC you can get the Turbo16 Version of Bomberman '93 that supports 5 people locally (you need at least 1 Gamecube controller in the mix).

  65. Hyped for Halo3, no hyped for the Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although I am a Halo fan, i am more interested and hyped to see the video game industry in general, really stick it to traditional entertainment media forms in the mainstream world.

  66. The unrealities of hype by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Spider-man 3 was also supposed to be the big blockbuster of the year, and Vista was supposed to be the biggest release since Windows 95. Marketing doesn't always match reality.

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  67. Re:Hey Zonk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure it'll be released on PC in 4 years or so (Windows 7 will be required to play it, of course)

  68. I don't understand by SIIHP · · Score: 1

    "Red herring.
    Straw man.
    False comparison.
    Poisoning the well."

    I don't understand why you'd summarize your posts since I've already read them.

    As to what you said, it is both wrong and idiotic. I would expect that from one such as you, based on your pseudo-intellectual attempts to denounce me.

    I guess that's what is to be expected from your kind when you get out debated.

    Like I did to you, and him, and all the other people who think being stupid and lying is a substitute for facta and reason.

    As an aside, I've never seen you post anything worth reading, ever. Nice of you to keep the streak going.

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    1. Re:I don't understand by thegnu · · Score: 1

      As an aside, I've never seen you post anything worth reading, ever. Nice of you to keep the streak going.

      from the man with an even higher rate of unmodded posts than i, a true compliment.

      Really, you seem to just want to insult people and use logical fallacies. Go team!
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    2. Re:I don't understand by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      And you seem to want to be wrong and moronic.

      I suppose if you stopped playing your part I'd have no reason t play mine.

      Go away!

      "from the man with an even higher rate of unmodded posts than i, a true compliment"

      Evidence in black and white that you're an imbecile. You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think that moderation has anything at all to do with post content.

      So again, thanks for confirming you're an idiot, I knew it but now it's in print forever.

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    3. Re:I don't understand by thegnu · · Score: 1

      Don't start a dissertation with a conjunction. Use more than one sentence per paragraph. 't' is not a word. I think you mean 'proof,' not 'evidence.' I think that moderation has something to do with post content, and while not the end-all, it provides some evidence for the cogency of your statements. Slashdot is hardly print, and it's hardly forever. Insults without any additional content just make the insulter look stupid.

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  69. Re:like comparing Halo 3 to Pokemon by Criterion · · Score: 1

    No, this was a clip from I believe Japan.. wherever it is that they are having some gaming convention currently.

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  70. Games too short these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's sad to see games so short these days. It fits well into the short-attention span generation spawned from the Generation X-ers. The Generation X-ers, my generation are a true disappointment.
    I don't see games like Unreal anymore (not Tournament). That game, Quake, Dark Forces all had long play times. None of this done in 10 hours rubbish. Come on X-ers I know YOU make games. Don't just pander to your kids. Make long games like Descent-Freespace and Freespace 2, Homeworld, games with long play value. Maybe then you'd get some credibility back with your peers. And teach your kids the quality of patience. Or I may just have to smack some of them around for being rude and disrespectful to your peers.

    Thank god I was not easily bored when I was little, unlike today's kids. BUt it's not all your fault kids, you just have parents who are more wrapped in their jobs than in you.

  71. 'Flame' Me; i'll probably never look back on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Halo sucks sweaty ginger balls, come on. 'Roast me', Enlarge your e-ego.

  72. Halo 3 Review in Short by HD+Bru · · Score: 1

    All About Halo 3 Over all review Halo 3 is an awesome game and well worth the R599 you pay for it (SA only). Everything about it is almost flawless. The A.I is very good although the characters friendly or not have a very "lone wolf" type mind set. Even in groups they will not work together to take you or your co-op partner down and think of nothing if their frag blows you away. But still as a whole it works well and makes game play challenging rather than just a plain shoot em up. Graphics are amazing and I have yet to see models merging into each other, the xbox does have problems from time to time where models will appear flat n mono tonal but it quickly recovers. One downfall which lies not in the game but the machine itself is that without an HDMI cable and TV or projector (Recommended) it looks crap, everything is down converted and squashed which makes it rely hard to change settings as the txt is very small soft and fuzzy cramped and soft, makes it hard to pot enemy's from a distance too. Obviously projected image is worse down converted.. This problem occurs for all xbox 360 games going through composite cables. Don't use composite on a projector rather just a very big TV. The game play is very different compared to the first two games. Everything's faster, faster weapons faster punches faster vehicles faster run speed faster everything, which is a big relief. It makes for a more enjoyable faster more exciting Halo 3 experience. Game content was vastly updated there's a load of new stuff in the game to a point where it's a bit much, none of its consistent, there's a lot of guns/vehicles you only get to try a few times through out the entire game and some weapons make others pointless.. a lot of the old weapons that were abundant are now rare n replaced by bazooka weapons(big guns) however everything seems a lot more possible in the game when in fact its harder to do, for instance taking down a scarab. A lot of the time you get given tasks to do but not the means to do it like say a flying vehicle to get somewhere would be nice and fun, unfortunately they don't supply one. Yes it makes it more challenging but not as fun or exciting and very frustrating when the check point is a while back. Check points... check points have triggers attached to them which to be honest is old now, a lot of the time you'll miss them because you didn't kill that one grunt hiding in the waterfall. So that added to the badly designed difficulty which is realistic weapon damage in an unrealistic game where you are ment to be all powerful makes you switch off. That is if you're playing heroic or legendary. The one thing where I thought Bungie would have corrected by now is the vehicle to Spartan damage ratio. Basically if your warthogs tire gets shot you take some damage, this makes getting into a vehicle suicide at times. One other thing is the new achievements the xbox 360 has, in Halo 3 most of them can only be completed during online play which is very annoying seems you just bought the most expensive game yet and you cant even unlock all its content. So most of the above can be avoided if you put in the right settings and buy the right stuff. That is a HD TV, HDMI cable and internet. Also put the game difficulty on normal or lower. For more on halo 3 and others (coming soon) Visit www.CineHD.biz/Halo_3.asp