45 Days is to short to change behavior that has been practiced for several years. Did the service compete in content, quality and platform compatibility like pirated content? Did it integrate with home user media servers like PLEX?
These pirates have setups that they have spent time and money on over years. The service must render useless for them to change there behavior.
Highly flawed test designed, probably flawed by design.
The money lost argument has been proven false so many times now that it should be common knowledge. Pirates do not have Billions of USD to spend every year on media and if you found a way to stop them they would just do something else with there time. Perhaps even something productive.
Well, in this scenario where talking about Google breaking the internet. They with the help of the ISPs did it unintentionally this time.
But if Google decided to orchestrate an attack on the internet, they could bring it to its knees in so may ways.
Simply disabling all there local caches would overload most transit lines in the world. That would make everything suck. It they turned them into a zombie network, everything would break until they where disabled.
The internet of the past is gone, it is no longer a mesh of thousands of ISPs and millions of sites. Now it is 70-90% 5-10 big players with there own infrastructure where 2-3 rival or exceed the biggest transit networks. The only upside is that it is in these entities own interest to keep this working optimally. Unlike some telcos that limit there users experiences.
Very well known and it is fixed. But not in the manner stated.
The receivers just happen to trust Google to much and did not apply normal filters and checks. It is more like they did not enable the firewall because they could not be bothered to set up the necessary rules.
That is why there is no fix. BGP is not broken, imperfect for sure. But it does not need to be replaced, the tweaks that are added almost always work with the internal usage side. Like inside an ISP where it is used for all kinds of information distribution.
Authority is given by every individual peer, by contract and implementation.
They are all autonomous from each other like nations.
There is no one table being sent, there is a bunch on routes in one or more updates. This can be added to the routing database on the receiving side IF THEY CHOOSE. They should have had filters and safe guards like a max amount of prefixes accepted over this peer. I would say that Google is taking the high road but the receiving ISPs are really to blame. They did not protect there customers appropriator. I know that this sounds as news to the general public and most of geekdom, if you are not working this field you will simply not understand how it works.
This is not new, even if done by a bug or a fat finger or red eye. The severity and scale is unusual. This is all an artifact of the decentralized internet. That and misplaced trust in the awesomeness of Google inc.
I am part of a statistic that rapes, murderers etc etc. Though I have not raped or murdered anyone at least so far. I do not want to. But, with the sentiment feminists are spreading I just as well could as I am part of the group with the highest score in this statistic.
Also, I am part of the group that has achieved the the most things in history with notable exceptions on giving birth and caring for others on a personal level.
I am different from all the other people in the statistics. More, generally, from women then men. But I am different from all of them.
Statistics do not make individuals, individuals make statistics.
Stop taking offence if statistics are not true for you. They are not a guide for your future. They say almost nothing about YOU. Just a tool for us to use.
Most people are not stars at what they do. Most are good enough. Potential star may not want to do the work it takes to be a star, others are the other way around.
Everyone is an individual, everyone struggles some how.
If you want to take on issues larger then your own life, fight climate change. Not illusions of strife because of this or that.
Well, the particle is a sibling to the Proton and Neutron and not fundamental (as far as we know) like the quarks and leptons (electrons are leptons).
They do not go into detail but I guess this would be a Top Top Charm combo to get the ++ charge with 2 heavy and one light quark. Also, there is no statement on the lifetime of the particle. Probably that means that the particle exists for such a short time that it is useless for anything but fundamental science.
"Preem has long pursued committed and systematic environmental efforts. Compared with the average refinery in Western Europe, our refineries emit:
17 percent less carbon dioxide 72 percent less nitrogen oxides 94 percent less sulfur oxides"
Perhaps hype but probably mostly true.
If you are choosing where to produce something you must produce, and sadly we still must, then Sweden is a great place. We do it the best we can, and as you say. Still make a ton of money. BUT we are also willing to give that money up for the environment.
Indeed there are layers and many variables. This is a commitment to a future goal to be revised every four years. Those revisions will address issues as you point out.
As electric cars surpass ICE the demand for that oil will decrease for instance. Exporting "green" electricity is a way to offset other nations CO2. ETC
Sure, we are not 100% green now. But the nation and people of Sweden are committed to the environment. To a fault possibly.
9/11 on this subject? When it is finally relevant?
Now, I am not an alarmist or back the "war on terror" ie "license to do what ever". But this is actually a solution that does not kill people.
Regarding implementation. First of, this system would first replace the two pilots rule. After millions of hours of training and testing it would move to cargo flights. THEN to passenger flights.
Yeah, over here there is no way for a business to write a clause in a contract that overrules the law of the land (involving a private citizen, corps have lawyers so they can sign away most things). I think that could even void the entire contract.
Buuut I'm not living in the land of the free so what do I know.
But you guys gave them the experience to use it by manufacturing every component over there.
Then the Chinese realize they need there own network and they don't want NSA bits. When the Chinese decide to do something they do it like you guys built space rockets in the old days. Billions where spent with a guaranteed enormous market in China and the rest of the world as a bonus.
During which Cisco walk in AT&T leash and make equipment that fit basically only the US market. They maintain there stunningly silly pricing and rebate policy. There internal systems are horrendous and exist only to maintain the archaic rebate policy.
Your saleperson at Cisco is more like a lawyer you have to work there system then a salesperson.
But, much of the stuff is rock solid, I have personally had one device running in public IP space for over 10 years without a reload. That is 10 years + of actual uptime.
It is fixed in practice, but BGP being an open standard does not demand this in it self. Most (all?) major ISP use filters to make this impossible. And even if an attack is successful they would be going through the complete transit traffic of that ISP in realtime. So, that is not something a desktop PC can do.
You need a working transit network that is connected to ISPs that do not filter with whom you have active BGP sessions. Not just a PC on the internet. Then you need the equipment to filter this information to scam people in realtime. This assumes the Bitcoin attack is effective with traffic one way as the BGP attack will only affect the traffic going A to B and not B to A.
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Could such a layer of metallic nitrogen act as a lubricant between the core and inner mantel, helping us maintain the dynamo effect?
Chernobyl and Fukushima didn't use the best efforts or technology. Sadly for everyone.
45 Days is to short to change behavior that has been practiced for several years.
Did the service compete in content, quality and platform compatibility like pirated content?
Did it integrate with home user media servers like PLEX?
These pirates have setups that they have spent time and money on over years.
The service must render useless for them to change there behavior.
Highly flawed test designed, probably flawed by design.
The money lost argument has been proven false so many times now that it should be common knowledge. Pirates do not have Billions of USD to spend every year on media and if you found a way to stop them they would just do something else with there time. Perhaps even something productive.
Make them under contract like most other nations that buy them.
Learn to fly low...
Who many version is there of the bible again?
Well, in this scenario where talking about Google breaking the internet.
They with the help of the ISPs did it unintentionally this time.
But if Google decided to orchestrate an attack on the internet, they could bring it to its knees in so may ways.
Simply disabling all there local caches would overload most transit lines in the world. That would make everything suck.
It they turned them into a zombie network, everything would break until they where disabled.
The internet of the past is gone, it is no longer a mesh of thousands of ISPs and millions of sites. Now it is 70-90% 5-10 big players with there own infrastructure where 2-3 rival or exceed the biggest transit networks. The only upside is that it is in these entities own interest to keep this working optimally. Unlike some telcos that limit there users experiences.
Very well known and it is fixed. But not in the manner stated.
The receivers just happen to trust Google to much and did not apply normal filters and checks. It is more like they did not enable the firewall because they could not be bothered to set up the necessary rules.
That is why there is no fix. BGP is not broken, imperfect for sure. But it does not need to be replaced, the tweaks that are added almost always work with the internal usage side. Like inside an ISP where it is used for all kinds of information distribution.
Don't blame BGP for what people do wrong.
Yeah, that does not work when the routing is not the problem.
Authority is given by every individual peer, by contract and implementation.
They are all autonomous from each other like nations.
There is no one table being sent, there is a bunch on routes in one or more updates. This can be added to the routing database on the receiving side IF THEY CHOOSE. They should have had filters and safe guards like a max amount of prefixes accepted over this peer.
I would say that Google is taking the high road but the receiving ISPs are really to blame. They did not protect there customers appropriator.
I know that this sounds as news to the general public and most of geekdom, if you are not working this field you will simply not understand how it works.
This is not new, even if done by a bug or a fat finger or red eye. The severity and scale is unusual.
This is all an artifact of the decentralized internet. That and misplaced trust in the awesomeness of Google inc.
Apply your filters people!
So, I am male. Yay for me.
I am part of a statistic that rapes, murderers etc etc. Though I have not raped or murdered anyone at least so far. I do not want to. But, with the sentiment feminists are spreading I just as well could as I am part of the group with the highest score in this statistic.
Also, I am part of the group that has achieved the the most things in history with notable exceptions on giving birth and caring for others on a personal level.
I am different from all the other people in the statistics. More, generally, from women then men. But I am different from all of them.
Statistics do not make individuals, individuals make statistics.
Stop taking offence if statistics are not true for you. They are not a guide for your future. They say almost nothing about YOU. Just a tool for us to use.
Most people are not stars at what they do. Most are good enough. Potential star may not want to do the work it takes to be a star, others are the other way around.
Everyone is an individual, everyone struggles some how.
If you want to take on issues larger then your own life, fight climate change. Not illusions of strife because of this or that.
Okay, but if we do, can name it Skippy?
Well, the particle is a sibling to the Proton and Neutron and not fundamental (as far as we know) like the quarks and leptons (electrons are leptons).
They do not go into detail but I guess this would be a Top Top Charm combo to get the ++ charge with 2 heavy and one light quark.
Also, there is no statement on the lifetime of the particle. Probably that means that the particle exists for such a short time that it is useless for anything but fundamental science.
No funny name for it yet? I will name it Skippy!
Time to build a major pumped hydro battery then.
We do it better then anyone else though.
"Preem has long pursued committed and systematic environmental efforts. Compared with the average refinery in Western Europe, our refineries emit:
17 percent less carbon dioxide
72 percent less nitrogen oxides
94 percent less sulfur oxides"
Perhaps hype but probably mostly true.
If you are choosing where to produce something you must produce, and sadly we still must, then Sweden is a great place. We do it the best we can, and as you say. Still make a ton of money. BUT we are also willing to give that money up for the environment.
Even if you count it twice it is a reduction in CO2. We will not stop there though.
Indeed there are layers and many variables. This is a commitment to a future goal to be revised every four years. Those revisions will address issues as you point out.
As electric cars surpass ICE the demand for that oil will decrease for instance.
Exporting "green" electricity is a way to offset other nations CO2.
ETC
Sure, we are not 100% green now. But the nation and people of Sweden are committed to the environment. To a fault possibly.
9/11 on this subject?
When it is finally relevant?
Now, I am not an alarmist or back the "war on terror" ie "license to do what ever". But this is actually a solution that does not kill people.
Regarding implementation.
First of, this system would first replace the two pilots rule.
After millions of hours of training and testing it would move to cargo flights.
THEN to passenger flights.
It must be self contained.
Yeah, over here there is no way for a business to write a clause in a contract that overrules the law of the land (involving a private citizen, corps have lawyers so they can sign away most things). I think that could even void the entire contract.
Buuut I'm not living in the land of the free so what do I know.
Scientology business model.
Well yeah, they did steal alot of stuff sure.
But you guys gave them the experience to use it by manufacturing every component over there.
Then the Chinese realize they need there own network and they don't want NSA bits.
When the Chinese decide to do something they do it like you guys built space rockets in the old days.
Billions where spent with a guaranteed enormous market in China and the rest of the world as a bonus.
During which Cisco walk in AT&T leash and make equipment that fit basically only the US market. They maintain there stunningly silly pricing and rebate policy.
There internal systems are horrendous and exist only to maintain the archaic rebate policy.
Your saleperson at Cisco is more like a lawyer you have to work there system then a salesperson.
But, much of the stuff is rock solid, I have personally had one device running in public IP space for over 10 years without a reload. That is 10 years + of actual uptime.
True, but that is not what BGP does.
If the routers are hacked, no protocol can protect you.
That would require both routers to be hacked though.
It is fixed in practice, but BGP being an open standard does not demand this in it self. Most (all?) major ISP use filters to make this impossible. And even if an attack is successful they would be going through the complete transit traffic of that ISP in realtime. So, that is not something a desktop PC can do.
You need a working transit network that is connected to ISPs that do not filter with whom you have active BGP sessions. Not just a PC on the internet. Then you need the equipment to filter this information to scam people in realtime. This assumes the Bitcoin attack is effective with traffic one way as the BGP attack will only affect the traffic going A to B and not B to A.
Basically this is hyperbole.
WHAT YEAR IS IT!?!
Seriously, what is going on?
Because they don't have a national wide network.