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In Response To Anti-diversity Memo, YouTube CEO Says Sexism in Tech is 'Pervasive' (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader writes: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki has responded to the Google anti-diversity memo, writing in a column for Fortune that the questioning of women's abilities is "pervasive" in tech and that the memo is "yet another discouraging signal to young women who aspire to study computer science." Wojcicki opens by saying her daughter asked her, "Is it true that there are biological reasons why there are fewer women in tech and leadership?" Wojcicki says no, it's not true, but the question has still plagued her throughout her career. "I've had meetings with external leaders where they primarily addressed the more junior male colleagues. I've had my comments frequently interrupted and my ideas ignored until they were rephrased by men. No matter how often this all happened, it still hurt," she wrote. In the meanwhile, The Guardian reported on Wednesday that more than 60 current and former Google women employees are considering suing Google on the grounds of sexism and a pay gap.
is calling it an "anti diversity" memo... .thats not what it was in the slightest.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
White males are fucking hated for existing.
As I read the memo, it acknowledge that sexism was an issue. Even in the first paragraph.
I think not rationally responding to someone's point is becoming rampant in tech.
Reality is a slackware box running on a 386 tucked away in god's sock drawer.
So the fact that women dominate nursing, teaching and other critically important jobs that rely on caring and empathy along with intelligence and logic surprises no one and is not sexist but the fact that males tend to dominate a purely math and logic driven field is somehow sexist? Someone please help me understand how to be a good open minded liberal when faced with this reality!
And now he can sue ./ too
She was ignored and talked over until she became the CEO, what a sad story. :(
Does YouTube, a Google(tm) company, NOT have the same standards as Google(tm) an Alphabet(tm) company?
Google is in REAL trouble here and they're circling the wagons.
women who want their voices heard should be in "corporate IT" instead of "high tech". Lots of women crank out boring-but-necessary code all day, then move up to become team leads and higher, or DBAs, etc. (I've not seen any female SysAdmins, though.)
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
"Virtue signaling at its peak in SV ivory tower."
You know why she isn't respected? Because she is whiny!
As a man I know I have been beat down a zillion times at work. And I've dished it out as well.
If she can't take the way men treat her then so be it. Because guess what, that's exactly how men treat other men. So in effect she has proven she is the weaker sex. And quite frankly I am not gonna be pussified down to her level of whiny.
I've had my comments frequently interrupted and my ideas ignored until they were rephrased by
While this may be sexism at work and there certainly is sexism in the field, pretty much everyone experiences having their thoughts interrupted and ignored until rephrased by someone else, with someone else getting the credit for those thoughts.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Ask Susan where her "Leading Men" channel is.
After 27 years working in IT, one thing I know from experience is that women and IT donâ(TM)t work, if you wanna call that sexism these days I donâ(TM)t give a fuck, I know facts when Iâ(TM)ve experienced them over a number of decades...
Men with fragile egos that can't handle the idea that women may be better than them at [ fill-in-the-blank ]
There is one word that succinctly describes men/boys like this: douche.
Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
Projecting much?
"I've had my comments frequently interrupted and my ideas ignored until they were rephrased by men. No matter how often this all happened, it still hurt" - She said
Well so have I.
I have had my comments frequently interrupted by a woman in meetings, and ideas ignored until she came back the next week with an epiphany after pissing me off all week with dumb questions as if she didn't understand. She did understand, she was being a snake.
I have no sympathy for women in the work place. You all are just as capable as the men, and sometimes even more capable.
And yes there are biological reasons, we think differently. Telling your daughter that you don't is equivalent to some PC bullshit. Now in addition to growing up wondering why all men are crazy, shes also going to hate them too. And why? Because you had to shield her from words you did not agree with or maybe you do agree with and are one of those "but you shouldn't say it out loud" kinds of people.
TLDR: Women do just fine in the work place when it comes to things like regurgitating ideas and stealing credit for ideas they don't come up with, they do it just as good as the men do. Try again, and this time do better.
I think a lot of us have wondered, how will the next generation of innovators possibly upset titans like Google? They have unthinkable amounts of money and resources, along with an impressive portfolio of talent, patents and subsidiaries. The answer is that they will voluntarily commit suicide by eroding all trust in their brand, and driving off their most productive people in favor of shit-stirrers, and stifling the creativity and independence of employees who might be able to invent the next big thing -- or avoid the next big disaster.
Good work, Google. Thanks for clearing the way for the next batch.
You know what's disheartening? Being told that the only reason anyone is going to hire you is because of what's between your legs.
These "diversity programs" teach us that women can't code and that in order to "solve" that, we're going to not hire qualified men and instead hire unqualified women.
That's HORRIBLE for morale. Nothing makes women feel less valued than being told that their value isn't their skill, it's their gender.
The whole "diversity" thing is bullshit and needs to be killed. It doesn't solve anything and in fact makes things worse.
skill gaps. If someone has better skills - in negotiating, coding, working, etc. and can do something that someone else can't - then they often get compensated for that.
The fact that Women don't often negotiate well doesn't mean that there's a pay gap due to sexism - merely do to a difference in skill set.
But they gotta whine - it's easier than actually refining the skills.
Women should not be discouraged from studying CS, Engineering, Math any science. If they are being discouraged, it is their own damn fault. The next time they think they have been discriminated against, they need to turn around and look at the males that are being discriminated against right behind them.
The males aren't being discriminated against by women. They are being discriminated against by MEN!
Life is unfair folks. WAKE UP, Suck it up, and step up to the plate again. You might strike out. If you whine about how the pitchers were unfair, we know you aren't up to the task. Guess what, they are unfair for all of us. Is your ego hurt? Join the club.
I am not afraid of women who are better than me. They are resources to learn from. I am afraid of the masses of folks who can't quite grasp the definition of value.
God: "I don't leave footprints!"
... why there are less women in tech. Why is this surprising?
Women have evolved to be caretakers and nurturers. They tend to enjoy those types of fields more than solving technical problems. They tend to go into the healthcare and social welfare fields 4.5x more than men, and education 2x as much as men.
Does this mean they CAN'T be interested in tech, or that they CAN'T solve technical problems? No, however saying there is absolutely no biological reason why there are less women in IT than men is like saying there's absolutely no biological reason why there are less women in construction than men. They simply don't want to do it as much.
The guy brings up good scientific evidence and cites his sources.
The point the guy made is actually summed up like this. Statistics show that hiring based on quotas don't produce diversity or results. Stop focusing on hiring people just because of their sex, ethnicity, or age. Instead, statistics show that hiring people based on their accomplishments or skills, increases diversity and creates an inspiring work place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
We do not want EQUALITY, we want EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Know the difference.
I was with right up to "it hurt." And then you disproved your own point by whining about your feelings.
She says her feelings were hurt due to her experiences...
coincidentally this vaguely reminds me of a someone who once wrote up a memo about how men and woman can react differently due to biological differences.
I cant quite remember where or who said it, oh well, I'm sure someone can google it for me.
The female CEO of a tech company complains females are excluded........ did the previous female CEO also believe she had been shut out due to her gender?
Why is it so hard to admit there is rampant sexism in tech? It's been true for at least 20 years, probably longer. It was definitely true during my time in the industry.
Just start by admitting there's a problem.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Most people don't remember this, but 11 years ago in 2006 the GNOME project tried to put an end to sexism in the tech industry.
Yet this submission suggests it's a problem that's still present.
So I need to ask, did the GNOME project's outreach program from a decade ago fail? If it did fail, why did it fail? Why wasn't the GNOME project able to put an end to sexism?
Google management is now actively white washing the news never addressing what was in the memo and spreading pure BS, people have to read themselves the memo and compare what Google management is saying, things don't add up at all.
The entire point of the memo was that quotas are an ineffective/counterproductive way to increase diversity, and that there are better and more equitable ways to obtain a diverse workforce.
The fact that so many men line up to express outrage and hysteria over every single Slashdot story like this is the best proof that there is a serious need for more women in tech jobs.
You are welcome on my lawn.
How did her daughter get access to an internal Google Memo?
http://quillette.com/2017/08/0...
Wojcicki opens by saying her daughter asked her, "Is it true that there are biological reasons why there are fewer women in tech and leadership?" Wojcicki says no, it's not true, but the question has still plagued her throughout her career.
Or she's just wrong. Choosing not to believe in something doesn't make it go away.
I'm sure there are plenty of parents telling their children that climate change isn't real, but that isn't going to stop global temperatures from increasing.
And really it comes down to about the same thing. There are some people who have built their world view around a belief that isn't true, and even when presented with large amounts of evidence to suggest otherwise they will continue to dismiss it. I've found that there are very few people who are scientifically minded and rational and even if they did accept the reality of both climate change and sex-based biological differences, there're just as likely to be off the reservation in some other area like the link between vaccination and autism, GMO food, or even something as laughable as the age of the earth.
I don't think anyone's really immune and humans have some terrible cognitive inclinations that make us unwilling to let go of view points once we've latched on to them. I was recently at a family reunion and watched some of my relatives get into an argument over some idiotic event in the past for almost five hours. Even after someone got annoyed enough to dig up an old photo on Facebook to prove their point, the other person still wouldn't admit they were wrong and started inventing all kinds of fanciful reasons to explain away the photo. It was kind of surreal, but I've done the same plenty of times myself. I think there should be a class in school about being wrong about whatever and learning to accept new data that challenges our original assumptions.
Everyone in ''Tech'' must work sans clothing. This will cure all problems.
If you think that's bad, you should see how pervasive ableism is. Oh wait, nobody cares about that. Nevermind
When she was 3-4 she started playing minecraft.
When she was 6, we assembled her first PC.
When she was 9, we upgraded her video card.
She's 11 now. She understands underlying components, she understands basic TCP/IP networking. She understands partitions, how to install an OS. She knows what to not click, and how to keep her computer free of crap. At 11, she's got an equal understanding of tech from when I started at 20. Yet she doesn't want to do it. She wants to be an artist. She thinks all babies are super cute. People call her "Mini-me" because she looks like me, and is good with computers like me. There's nothing wrong with saying, "She's biologically predisposed to not go into an engineering role"
She never played with dolls or barbies. Always computers, her choice. Yet she does not want to go into an engineering role like her mom and dad. (Actually, her mom moved onto management years ago)
The cult of Equality of Outcome for STEM occupations and various high paying jobs, irrespective of ability, interest, desire to work, or other factors, is a noxious beast. Just like the cult of Identity Politics Victimhood
We're getting wise to you though. Each time you push a regressive campaign against science, or discriminate against merit in favor of identity, we see evidence. When you push Feelz not Realz speech codes and protest again truth, we see machinations.
Please, keep it up.
So, in the previous threads on this one, quite a few people were saying things like, "A number of scientists have come out and said, 'No, he's right about the things in his letter'", or words to that effect.
So... Who are these scientists?
Anyone have some names? And fields of science for those names?
I like you, Stuart. You're not like everyone else, here, at Slashdot.
I'm still waiting for somebody from either side of this nonsense to clearly explain what exactly penises and vaginas have to do with programming computers.
The computer hardware doesn't care if you have a penis or a vagina.
The programming language(s) being used don't care if you have a penis or a vagina.
The libraries and frameworks being used don't care if you have a penis or a vagina.
In most corporate environments, it's likely that one's penis or one's vagina is hidden under several layers of clothing while engaging in computer programming. (I know some Rubyists like to type with their penises, but we don't find them in corporate environments.)
So what exactly do penises and vaginas have to do with computer programming?
I've worked at many large and small companies, both as employee and contractor... a lot of my technical co-workers have been women (yes, a lot). I didn't really see instances of sexism against my female co-workers nor did they mention any...
What I have concluded is that there is a problem with sexism in tech - but it's pretty much isolated to California, and perhaps New York.
If you think abut it this is only natural, as the more left leaning a group is, the more I have see inherent sexism settle in to the group. It's a sad but inevitable result of not treating people the same, but partitioning them by sex/race/gender for special treatment - good or bad.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If she's had meetings where she has be partially ignored, then SHE FAILED to lead.
If she's had meetings where one or more of her subordinates has had to rephrase what she said, then SHE FAILED to communicate effectively.
If she's allowed herself to be frequently interrupted, then SHE FAILED to fix the problem before it to be a problem.
If she's been "hurt" by her own failures, then I'd call that just desserts.
Four seconds later...
Weak dude. No wonder your mind cannot handle advanced concepts like "biological differences are different".
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Weren't you the ones, not long ago, who were advocating your God Given Right to refuse to serve or to hire gays, or any other person your objected to for moral or religious reasons ?
But when Google decides to fire someone that doesn't adhere to their philosophy you get all butthurt and climb up the walls ?
Tell me, dear conservatives, how is that any different from the right that you demanded to run your business whichever way you like, according to your morality/religion/philosophy/values ?
Many of my ideas are also ignored until they are rephrased by (other) men. Of course, that could also mean that I didn't make a very persuasive argument. Or it could be the fact that a second person is also stating the idea now gives it momentum. In the rush to claim victimhood, sometimes the obvious innocent explanation gets ignored.
NHA
If you read the memo and still think that it is sexist, you just proven that you have no clue what statistics is and you should not work in hard science industry.
In the sense of "not complying when told". As long as you give people like this a lever like that, you'll have very poor results.
I think there are probably some very good and legitimate criticisms that can be made of this memo. I am not even necessarily opposed to this engineer being fired.
But why lie about the contents of the memo? I am very sympathetic to the idea that diversity is a good thing (as apparently the author of the memo was as well), but I am completely turned off by the fact that the strategy utilized by "the other side" (not the other side from me... yet) is to lie about what's in it.
It is not anti-diversity. Maybe it's wrong. But it being wrong doesn't make it automatically anti-diversity. Redistributing this falsehood is intellectually dishonest.
I don't want to be on a side that's wrong. I also don't want to be on a side that's dishonest.
What if there are biological reasons, for less womans in tech???? I do not know, but imagine that is the reason? Now what? Why does this option gets discarded to start with?
Many men are not suitable for a career in tech either. The requirement for an education and background in the field acts as a selection bias effect, which applies (or at least should apply) equally to both men and women. At that point, generalized opinions about the suitability of women in the field tech should be tossed, since logically those can't be applied to the selected group.
-Bob-
Man-hating post-modernists are doing their level best to destroy any business or entity that doesn't elevate women to the point of female supremacy and doesn't toe the line. Any entity that even questions their claims, or doesn't kow-tow to their claims. They despise any attempt to curb their sadly growing power and their institutionalization of blatant, open sexism. This group tells blatant lies and relies on round tables of repeated misinformation through media outlets to spread their insidious philosophy.
Sexism is pervasive and we need to halt it now.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
So fucking what. I've had that happen to me, even after more than 5 years at some jobs, and more than 9 years at others. What she needs to understand is people, because she obviously doesn't.
So, she's good at 'tech'. Well, my mom isn't, my ex-wife isn't, my girlfriend isn't her two daughters aren't. So what? I know at least an equal or greater numbe of men that aren't good at tech either.
On the other hand, I've known quite a few women, each with multiple PhDs. and guess what, they are especially good at tech.
And you'd know, wouldn't you, seeing as how it's ALWAYS one of you gaslighting asshole managers or a fucker in a CxO position who is DOING the sexual harassment!
Google proclaims a 'World of Equals*.' (*Where We are just a little bit MORE equal than everyone else.) sic Animal Farm.
This is just another level of corporate and political control over-layed by big business run amok with political ambition.
Google, above most other corporates, hates their slave-customers and in order to justified their continued model they must "rise above" with some form of imperious self-righteous ideology for in-house operations and the world according to them.
Disagree - you're a racist, sexist, fascist pig.
Notice, there is no "debate" here from the limousine liberal alt-left, just more demagoguery and fire.
Nice to see YOU are sexist.
Shaming men about their biology.
What?
You expect MEN to SHAVE because you think 'neckbeards' are icky?
Guess what? 'neckbeards' are NATURAL.
How DARE you SHAME people because of the sex they were born as, or have chosen to identify as!!!!
What a pathetic, insecure little prejudiced sexist you are!
Your lack of 'neckbeard' is obviously a huge source of your insecurities. I think you have been rejected for companionship in the past because of your lack of 'neckbeard'
Gota' love bigley hypocrisy!!!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/shaming-women-into-shaving-their-legs-is-sexist-and-stupid/
etc........
You need to pick a less obvious mouthpiece. Nice try, though, Google.
is not the same thing as Damore being responsible for sexism or writing a sexist screed. He's being punished for the collective sins of the industry.
Ask Susan where her "Leading Men" channel is on YouTube.
Google leadership really, really wants more people to choose tech as a career. The under representation of women in tech makes them a big juicy target. So they are doing everything they can to socially-engineer women to want to go into tech.
When someone points out that there are perfectly valid, biological reasons why many women might not want to do this, that undermines the whole effort. The last thing they want is for an on-the-fence young woman to start thinking it is "ok" to stick to professions that are more popular among women because she, too, is wired to dislike a career in tech. On the contrary, they would absolutely love it if they could make women feel ashamed of themselves for not throwing themselves into tech (of course, they can't have that, so they are focusing on the "it's great for women and all women naturally love it and are great at it" message).
Don't get caught up in the "sexism" smoke and mirrors. That has nothing to do with the memo, nor the firing. It's all about the social engineering, which cannot abide the harsh light of truth.
You cannot ‘solve’ a problem that is only identifiable through statistics (there are more male programmers than female) or anecdotes (my career was held back by sexist men in management). If hard facts can be documented of bias in hiring practices, or in how promotions are made, or how supervisors do their jobs, then you can identify problems that can be fixed. I believe this sort of thing is being done all over the US by companies that want to be gender-neutral, or at least don’t want to leave themselves open to clearly-supported lawsuits.
The only ‘solution’ to a statistics-defined problem is the solution-du-jour of quotas. If the population has X% of some identifiable sub-population (female, black, smokers, whatever), then the company will have X% of people of that sub-population in every job. This is not a solution, this is a hack on a major scale. It solves nothing, and arguably makes everything worse.
There is absolutely no place for sexism of any kind, male-on-female or female-on-male, in our society. However, sexism is not fixed by quotas.
When she was 9, we upgraded her video card.
Let me guess: EVE Online.
I've had my comments frequently interrupted and my ideas ignored until they were rephrased by men
We ALL have to deal with that, even men. People steal your ideas and run with them; people that don't like you will reject your idea while accepting the exact same idea from somebody else. That's how things have always been, and ascribing purely sexist motives to these actions is entirely bogus. Are men sexist against men? If not, then why the hell do we have to deal with it?
..when you try to correct a bias with preferential treatment to less proficient candidates - it backfires by making the disparity look like inferiority (it's not, women are as smart as men, it's just the inevitable reaction you will get).
I agree that some things can and should be done to encourage women who would otherwise not bother with tech and to make sure work environments are more welcoming considering the predominantly male workforce... however when it comes to hiring, promotion, reward it should be as meritocratical as possible, any sexism (either way) will only do bad, and preferential treatment is sexism.
My experience in tech - specifically, science - is that sexism *is* pervasive ... and almost exclusively perpetrated by feminists.
The problem is that MEN are pushing out or making the environment hostile for any divergent thought. With men it is always "do what I say, or you are fired" with women, and gay men it's more typically "let's find a way to make this work"
It is not women's fault that men are assholes by default.
Oh? Is that why a number of women I know do the SAME fucking thing?!?!
People in general are assholes and look for any advantage they can get. Then once they get it, abuse it to the hilt. Everyone? No. But in general? Hell yes. It's why you should always be skeptical of both sides of any issue.
Hey now, let's limit our sexist stereotypes to positive stereotypes about women or negative stereotypes about men.
Pointing out that women are humans as are men is not constructive to this discussion.
Why can't we have more diversity?
Not only did a single woman calculate the reentry for Grissom she HAD TO DISCOVER THE NEEDED MATH.
I would like to see you stream a Stock KSP session where you recreate Grissoms flight with only RSS installed as mods.
(i think you have 20 square miles to land in)
Oh and do the calcs by hand on paper with only a simple calculator
"The fact that somebody disagrees with me even after I already said it hurt my feelings when they disagree with me" is proof that she's right? In a way, I can't really say I blame you - this approach has been very successful for the left for at least 50 years now. I really feel like this incident is somehow different, though - that the tide is shifting and you're losing the tight grip you've had over western society for at least the entirety of my lifetime, if not longer.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
He's biologically superior to women so he'll easily find another job, right?
It's the point.
Glance we could drag homosexuality into this discussion. I was beginning to think we would not include every minority group. Are men in wheelchairs OK for you?
Please tell me this is sarcasm?
I'm sure you could find boys that played with trucks and diggers that never came to work in construction or pit mining. Are they biologically predisposed to not working in those fields?
*BRAIN EXPLODES*
(I'm secretly hoping NK provokes Trump and the world ends. Our species doesn't deserve to exist. Or I'm at least hoping aliens exists and they don't put up with this shit and just wipe us out).
Might as well just all go live in the forest and go full Mad Max ffs.
I read the paper.
The damage done by this paper, was not done by the author of said paper. It's been done by those that have been cherry picking partial (or full) sentences and fragments of his stream of thought.
The things people *SAY* he said in his paper are pretty bad.
It pisses me off that those people are not the ones paying for the words that they're stuffing the internet full of.
Bottom line. The average person is not willing to read 10 pages before they start judging based on other *loud* commentary.
This TL;DR society of ours is what's toxic.
If you're a straight, white male then it should be apparent that these people want you dead and gone. The first step is to force you out of your job by actively hiring anyone else and creating a culture where you're not allowed to advocate for yourselves. What will you do about it?
Why did you study history and literature at Harvard? Why not computer science? Did you try and were thwarted by sexist students and professors? Or did you just pursue your interest?
Shameful to publish a political article lying to your own offspring.
Anybody want a peanut?
Women: *Report and complain, over the course of decades, about discrimination in the workplace*
Some dude: "Ermagherd, women are biologically inferior, and unsuited to work in certain fields, that's all."
Women: O_O
So, women.... Is it Grrrrl Power or victimhood? Pick one; you can't have both. Choose carefully
I find your response barbaric, you must be a cave-MAN.
If this is true, she should wash it once in a while, and stop wiping back to forward
Yes, misandrist sexism is pervasive in tech. Thank you for recognizing th.... oh, wait, you're one of them.
Are you saying that men are different than women?
Whenever there is an anti-populist bigotry story like this one, Slashdot gets beseiged by a 50 Cent Army posting misandrist, racist, and/or classist vitriol.
Which PR firm(s) hired these shills? Who is paying for it? There are hundreds of ordinary people out there who know the answer. The ruling class can accomplish nothing without hiring plebs to do the actual work. Let us pray that heaven will bless one of those workers with the courage to be a whistleblower.
It's downright patriarchal.
So an engineer has different opinion than the groupthink. He gets death treats and gets fired for it.
Jeez, its like I've heard of this somewhere before...
Fascism: ... allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent.
*noun: an authoritarian system
!@#$#@*&$*#@ Google and all the other fascist bastards in sillicon valley.
You can suck my dick bitch.
The current ruling clique is losing control of the narrative. The semi-official capitalist media no longer hold a monopoly on mass communication. Already the educated working class (including tech workers) has stopped believing meant of the more obvious lies in the official narrative.
By all appearances the ruling clique are scared. They were instrumental in the establishment of today's police surveillance state dystopia. Those who've studied history may note that police states have an amusing habit of turning and devouring their creators.
Thus the desperate need to maintain control of public discourse. Thus the hysterical, foaming at the mouth rage when debate strays from the established narrative.
For instance, whenever a woman is hired, the first thing a company does is assume that every man is a woman-beating misogynist and act accordingly. As soon as they have done this, they run to the papers and say "We hired a WOMAN! She is a WOMAN! With a REAL VAGINA and OVARIES! Did I mention she's a WOMAN? She's a WOMAN! In fact she is the thir- er... FIRST WOMAN to be on this team! Nevermind the fact this team was formed yesterday! WOMAN!"
So, I am male. Yay for me.
I am part of a statistic that rapes, murderers etc etc. Though I have not raped or murdered anyone at least so far. I do not want to. But, with the sentiment feminists are spreading I just as well could as I am part of the group with the highest score in this statistic.
Also, I am part of the group that has achieved the the most things in history with notable exceptions on giving birth and caring for others on a personal level.
I am different from all the other people in the statistics. More, generally, from women then men. But I am different from all of them.
Statistics do not make individuals, individuals make statistics.
Stop taking offence if statistics are not true for you. They are not a guide for your future. They say almost nothing about YOU. Just a tool for us to use.
Most people are not stars at what they do. Most are good enough. Potential star may not want to do the work it takes to be a star, others are the other way around.
Everyone is an individual, everyone struggles some how.
If you want to take on issues larger then your own life, fight climate change. Not illusions of strife because of this or that.
I think that 90% of White Male Google employees are utter retard üntermenschen that should be euthanized. No need to boost their ranks with token Negros Faggots and Bitches.
The leftist loons and PC crap is too funny. You guys are hilarious.
Susan, guess what your YouTube algorithms" suggestions for my teenage kids are: STEM tutorials and TED talks for my son, make up tutorials and fashion channels for my daughter. Did the thought never occurred to you and you colleagues at Google that Google algorithms themselves may in fact be a major factor in breeding the gender gap? I know, advertisement returns and customer satisfaction may drop, but it may be wothwhile considering switching off personalization. Stefan
And I've had the same thing where commments are ignored u till rephrased by a person with higher standing
It's not sexism it's hierarchy
I don't understand why we keep striving to get further and further away from a meritocracy
My money is on she made up the question. It's a made-up scenario to support whatever she has to say. There is a lot of made-up anecdotes on both sides of the isle, where people just invent a scenario they believe plausible because they don't have the time or patience to wait to see it happen. Unfortunately, their mind is so skewed in favor of whatever it is they're defending, those scenarios end up as obvious ruses and would never play it that way in reality.
"I ordered a coffee with raw sugar today. The male barista ignored my request and put plain sugar instead, BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN. I confronted him about this and he become belligerent and told me I should stay in the kitchen and make my own coffee however I like it. My blood was boiling. I asked for the manager who was also a man and he looked down on me and said it's no big deal I should just drink it, etc etc"
She should have checked her facts and given a truer answer, rather than lie because her feefees were hurt.
Bleeding religious fanatics.
For those of you reading and posting to /. on your mobile phone, you can thank Hedy Lamarr. She's was smart, a woman, an artist, and smoking hot (hey, gotta keep the man-card current).
Wow, that's a hell of a way to raise a child!. Or at least she has no PROOF of her statement that 'no it is not true'. If she has such strong proof where the fuck is it? Which just demonstrates what is 'wrong' with parents brought up with 'equality = same' having children. Rather than explain that the question is open to debate, that women & men have different qualities but that no SINGLE individual should be held back by being in one group or another she just decided to lie. Nice.
To have more women in technology careers you need more women to graduate college with tech degrees. Attacking companies is the wrong target - the work needs to be done in the education system, all the way down to grade school, so more females pursue high tech careers. Trying to get an even gender balance when the candidate pool is not even close in terms of numbers is inevitably just sexism in reverse.
It is basic statistics and science, and it is unescapable. Law can present equal opportunity, but if you enforce equal outcome it will require denying opportunities to males based on their gender. http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/wa...