Actually,according to the page you gave a link to this patch shouldn't be in volatile,since,and I quote "volatile - for updates to quickly outdated software such as spam filtering and virus scanning". Since I doubt that they are changing timezones weekly then it shouldn't be in there. It says "quickly", not "weekly". And quickly largely means "before the next stable release", IIRC this is the second update of tzdata within the lifetime of etch and etch isn't really that old yet (for a debian release). IMHO it fits perfectly within volatile.
BTW, adding 1 line to your/etc/apt/sources.list seems a fairly simple way to get the patch, so what *is* the problem here? Don't want to understand how your OS deals with certain things, then don't use Debian.
Apple has every right to protect what they've sold.
No, they don't. They sold it, you know, thats when something changes from one owner to another. It's supposed to be *your* iPhone. That's a pretty basic concept and it's scary to see how people are losing sight of those things when you show them some shiny gadget. There is al lot of that stuff out there, like "Never mind the DRM, look shiny new Aero interface!" or "Never mind your privacy, look shiny new web 2.0 website!".
I'm note sure how they will go about selling iPhone here, but selling a sim-locked phone to go with a GSM contract is illegal here in the Netherlands anyhow. Simlocks are only allowed for perpaid phones, and even then the provider is required to provide an reasonable unlocking service after one year.
You are however bound to the contract with the GSM provider, so you can take the phone and use it anyway you want, but you will pay the monthly fees for the contract you signed up to. These contracts are generally for a one or two year period, I fully expect two year contracts to go with the iPhone.
This does mean however that by paying the price of the iPhone and 24 times the monthly fee will get you an iPhone which is free of restrictions yet fully legal. I can't see Apple messing with firmware updates on those phone, I can see them getting imported into the US...
"In other words, whenever your palm gets sweaty, you're stressed. And I'm supposed tu buy an expensive device to tell me that?"
Yes, you're a gamer, you sole existence depends on buying overpriced pointless hardware. You ego depends in the price of your 'rig', so expensive is good.
Go, buy it, it will work even better when combined with a killer nic. You do have one of those do you?
Besides, there is has Pod and a lower case i in it's name. How can it not be totally cool?
You've got a GMail account, I could call you al lot of things, but paranoid is not on the that list. No one with a GMail account can be called paranoid. Period.
More Linux drivers sure would be a nice side effect, but the most important part is the fact that a choice is presented to Joe Sixpack who doesn't have a clue there are other operating systems besides windows. It would educate them about the choices and the associated costs.
Just show something like:
No OS: $0,-
Windows: $200,-
Ubuntu: $10,-
BeOS: $50,-
OS/2: $50,-
It's a huge difference from the current 'Windows included' situation, one people find out they might actually save money by picking an other OS the will consider it. I'm fairly certain Be Inc would still exist today if BeOS was offered alongside windows on every PC sold in Europe. That may not have brought them 80% marketshare, but it would have brought them a fair position to compete.
"The second someone downloads a copy of the binary or buys a piece of the hardware without the GPL included (and the source available), the company broke the law."
No change to correct it, shoot 'm at sight. And by the way, the moment some posts a wireless driver to a mailinglinst and messes the licenses, sue them. Mail to a public mailinglist is a publication, and is archived all over the place. No "we will correct it" or "it wan't in the main tree" excuses.
Are you really sure that's how you want the game to be played? I'm a bit afraid parts of the GPL community are becoming a very trigger happy angry mob. It's not going to do anyone any good.
"The lawsuit is just away of getting Monsoon's attention, since they seemed inclined to try to blow the whole thing off. Some people/companies are like that."
Can anyone point me to some evidence Moonson was actually going to blow the whole thing off? I'm not claiming there weren't, they surely didn't give it top priority, but I'd like to see something more then just alligations.
"But it's clear that relying on upstream is not enough."
But relying on $ISP is good enough?
Here's a nice one, say I redistribute a GPL'd product, just the original thing compiled to a binary. Say the original project (and its sourcecode) is host on SourceForge. And you're saying I can create my own SF project and have SF host it for me, but I can't link to the original project on the same server? That's just briliant.
I'd be more than mad if I lost my money because of this man's inept journalism. I'd be hiring a lawyer.
You sir, must be american.
I mean, Daniel Lyons screwed up big time. If I were his boss he'd be fired for suck a cock up. But anyone investing in a company that's running a huge legal battle should either accept the risk or do their own research. Anyone losing out on an investment which was based on the opinion of single journalist is just plain stupid and got what he deserved.
1 seconds of google usage brought me a list of 670 voip provider in the USA. There are plenty (if not most) of Voip providers which are cheaper then skype. There is also is a far wider variety of hard and software which can be used with SIP, you can even set up your own PBX if you like.
There really is no good reason to use a totally closed Voip protocol over SIP. There are a whole lot of reasons not to promote closed communication protocols. I don't even care if you choose to use closed source software, but for crying out loud, use a standard, open and portable protocol for you Voip communication.
Why Skype? You're buying an opensource phone, you want choice when it comes to who delivers you calls to you, yet you choose to use a closed source VOIP provider?
Seems kind of strange to me. I can understand what you want, I want functionality like that, but I want it useing standard open SIP. Otherwise your just trading one lock-in for the other.
Or c) They have been asked to look for a different job, perferably somewere like the bahamas. At least somewere where they won't be able to properly inform anybody about what is/was going on at SCO. Sometimes it's a 'good' thing when certain knowledge and experience leaves the company...
Sure, but it's a sad day when the OpenBSD en Linux dev can't get to sort this out in a civilised way. E.g. without the yelling and without the lawyers.
Besides, Theo seems to be screeming a lot, but it is not his code we are talking about here. He is not just rude towards the Linux community, that's fairly normal. He also hijacks somebody else's copyright issue and basically deprives them of a chance to sort this out in a decent manner. I'd be very pissed if somebody would go and solve my problem in such a manner.
The best part is that Theo starts shouting about lawsuits, because he values comunity spirit so much, or something like that. The moment he started talking about lawsuits he completely lost a my respect. Not that he has anything to so about anyway, he is no party at all in this whole mess, yet he makes a hell of a lot of noise.
From now on I will refer to OpenBSD as BSDIAA. This attitude reminds me far more of *IAA then it does seem to relate to Open.
Now, don't get me wrong, as far as I can see there is indeed an issue to be sorted out with this driver, and there is reason to complain about certain things. But being right does not exclude someone from being a asshole. Theo might be partly right, he sure is a total asshole. And it's not even his code which is involved...
What does Apache have to do with Stalmans point? Ever checked the license on that one? And even more so, ever read the NetBSD license? Here's a hint, they are both neither GPLv2 nor GPLv3.
And where will GNU/Hurd be in 15 years? That's the question to answer, because that is where Stallman is.
You may not consider freedom important, but Stallman does.
Right, damn those closed software terrorist!
Get of the soapbox and back down to earth please. Freedom is important. But closed source software is *not* a limitation of your personal freedom. Rhetoric like that devaluates freedom, don't go there.
Now if anything, freedom means anybody is free to release his sourcecode under a license chooses to use. To me it seems that is not the *freedom* Stallman is after, however Linux seems to fully respect that freedom. Don't get me wrong, GPLv3 etc has its place, but there is no need to be religious about it, a software license is not going to change the world. If anything, vote with your feet and go develop for Hurd.
Nope, the headline should be:
"French discover secret US sattelites, but will not disclose the information, unlike the US does."
It's even in the summary: "While they don't plan to release the information publicly, they do intend to use it as leverage to get the US to suppress reporting of sensitive French satellites in their published ephemeris."
And I was thinking reading the article was difficult for some. Apparently just reading the summary is to hard for some people here. Yeah, i'm looking at you kdawson...
And it's fricking bizar there is so much bullshit modded insightfull here. NTP works best with consistent latency, the chances of getting consistent latency are generally bigger with server which are close to you, but the current NTP implementations are not trying magically locate a close server. They will use the servers they happen to get. You will have to edit your ntp.conf to use.pool.ntp.org to get at least servers in your own country. Better yet, get an ISP which provides a decent set of ntp servers and use these.
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BTW, adding 1 line to your
No, they don't. They sold it, you know, thats when something changes from one owner to another. It's supposed to be *your* iPhone. That's a pretty basic concept and it's scary to see how people are losing sight of those things when you show them some shiny gadget. There is al lot of that stuff out there, like "Never mind the DRM, look shiny new Aero interface!" or "Never mind your privacy, look shiny new web 2.0 website!".
I'm note sure how they will go about selling iPhone here, but selling a sim-locked phone to go with a GSM contract is illegal here in the Netherlands anyhow. Simlocks are only allowed for perpaid phones, and even then the provider is required to provide an reasonable unlocking service after one year.
You are however bound to the contract with the GSM provider, so you can take the phone and use it anyway you want, but you will pay the monthly fees for the contract you signed up to. These contracts are generally for a one or two year period, I fully expect two year contracts to go with the iPhone.
This does mean however that by paying the price of the iPhone and 24 times the monthly fee will get you an iPhone which is free of restrictions yet fully legal. I can't see Apple messing with firmware updates on those phone, I can see them getting imported into the US...
"If you can't code without hand-holding tools like automatic garbage collection, perhaps you belong in a different profession!"
Sure. But if you fail to understand and use these tools were apropriate you belong in a different profession as well.
"In other words, whenever your palm gets sweaty, you're stressed. And I'm supposed tu buy an expensive device to tell me that?"
Yes, you're a gamer, you sole existence depends on buying overpriced pointless hardware. You ego depends in the price of your 'rig', so expensive is good.
Go, buy it, it will work even better when combined with a killer nic. You do have one of those do you?
Besides, there is has Pod and a lower case i in it's name. How can it not be totally cool?
You've got a GMail account, I could call you al lot of things, but paranoid is not on the that list. No one with a GMail account can be called paranoid. Period.
More Linux drivers sure would be a nice side effect, but the most important part is the fact that a choice is presented to Joe Sixpack who doesn't have a clue there are other operating systems besides windows. It would educate them about the choices and the associated costs.
Just show something like:
No OS: $0,-
Windows: $200,-
Ubuntu: $10,-
BeOS: $50,-
OS/2: $50,-
It's a huge difference from the current 'Windows included' situation, one people find out they might actually save money by picking an other OS the will consider it. I'm fairly certain Be Inc would still exist today if BeOS was offered alongside windows on every PC sold in Europe. That may not have brought them 80% marketshare, but it would have brought them a fair position to compete.
"The second someone downloads a copy of the binary or buys a piece of the hardware without the GPL included (and the source available), the company broke the law."
No change to correct it, shoot 'm at sight. And by the way, the moment some posts a wireless driver to a mailinglinst and messes the licenses, sue them. Mail to a public mailinglist is a publication, and is archived all over the place. No "we will correct it" or "it wan't in the main tree" excuses.
Are you really sure that's how you want the game to be played? I'm a bit afraid parts of the GPL community are becoming a very trigger happy angry mob. It's not going to do anyone any good.
"The lawsuit is just away of getting Monsoon's attention, since they seemed inclined to try to blow the whole thing off. Some people/companies are like that."
Can anyone point me to some evidence Moonson was actually going to blow the whole thing off? I'm not claiming there weren't, they surely didn't give it top priority, but I'd like to see something more then just alligations.
"But it's clear that relying on upstream is not enough."
But relying on $ISP is good enough?
Here's a nice one, say I redistribute a GPL'd product, just the original thing compiled to a binary. Say the original project (and its sourcecode) is host on SourceForge. And you're saying I can create my own SF project and have SF host it for me, but I can't link to the original project on the same server? That's just briliant.
I'd be more than mad if I lost my money because of this man's inept journalism. I'd be hiring a lawyer.
You sir, must be american.
I mean, Daniel Lyons screwed up big time. If I were his boss he'd be fired for suck a cock up. But anyone investing in a company that's running a huge legal battle should either accept the risk or do their own research. Anyone losing out on an investment which was based on the opinion of single journalist is just plain stupid and got what he deserved.
Thats to be seen, you may just end up getting the lowest UID ever. That's not bad, -2147483648 is a cool uid too.
1 seconds of google usage brought me a list of 670 voip provider in the USA. There are plenty (if not most) of Voip providers which are cheaper then skype. There is also is a far wider variety of hard and software which can be used with SIP, you can even set up your own PBX if you like.
There really is no good reason to use a totally closed Voip protocol over SIP. There are a whole lot of reasons not to promote closed communication protocols. I don't even care if you choose to use closed source software, but for crying out loud, use a standard, open and portable protocol for you Voip communication.
Why Skype? You're buying an opensource phone, you want choice when it comes to who delivers you calls to you, yet you choose to use a closed source VOIP provider?
Seems kind of strange to me. I can understand what you want, I want functionality like that, but I want it useing standard open SIP. Otherwise your just trading one lock-in for the other.
Or c) They have been asked to look for a different job, perferably somewere like the bahamas. At least somewere where they won't be able to properly inform anybody about what is/was going on at SCO. Sometimes it's a 'good' thing when certain knowledge and experience leaves the company...
"Also, many, many programmers have a clear disdain..."
Looks like it's mutual...
Really, on a topic like this we need a +1 Flamebait moderation.
Sure, but it's a sad day when the OpenBSD en Linux dev can't get to sort this out in a civilised way. E.g. without the yelling and without the lawyers.
Besides, Theo seems to be screeming a lot, but it is not his code we are talking about here. He is not just rude towards the Linux community, that's fairly normal. He also hijacks somebody else's copyright issue and basically deprives them of a chance to sort this out in a decent manner. I'd be very pissed if somebody would go and solve my problem in such a manner.
The best part is that Theo starts shouting about lawsuits, because he values comunity spirit so much, or something like that. The moment he started talking about lawsuits he completely lost a my respect. Not that he has anything to so about anyway, he is no party at all in this whole mess, yet he makes a hell of a lot of noise.
From now on I will refer to OpenBSD as BSDIAA. This attitude reminds me far more of *IAA then it does seem to relate to Open.
Now, don't get me wrong, as far as I can see there is indeed an issue to be sorted out with this driver, and there is reason to complain about certain things. But being right does not exclude someone from being a asshole. Theo might be partly right, he sure is a total asshole. And it's not even his code which is involved...
Using an exe when seems to be the wrong tool for this job. An axe whould be far better suited to achieve 'goodbye-microsoft'.
What does Apache have to do with Stalmans point? Ever checked the license on that one? And even more so, ever read the NetBSD license? Here's a hint, they are both neither GPLv2 nor GPLv3.
And where will GNU/Hurd be in 15 years? That's the question to answer, because that is where Stallman is.
I didn't and I still regret it.
You may not consider freedom important, but Stallman does.
Right, damn those closed software terrorist!
Get of the soapbox and back down to earth please. Freedom is important. But closed source software is *not* a limitation of your personal freedom. Rhetoric like that devaluates freedom, don't go there.
Now if anything, freedom means anybody is free to release his sourcecode under a license chooses to use. To me it seems that is not the *freedom* Stallman is after, however Linux seems to fully respect that freedom. Don't get me wrong, GPLv3 etc has its place, but there is no need to be religious about it, a software license is not going to change the world. If anything, vote with your feet and go develop for Hurd.
Nope, the headline should be:
"French discover secret US sattelites, but will not disclose the information, unlike the US does."
It's even in the summary: "While they don't plan to release the information publicly, they do intend to use it as leverage to get the US to suppress reporting of sensitive French satellites in their published ephemeris."
And I was thinking reading the article was difficult for some. Apparently just reading the summary is to hard for some people here. Yeah, i'm looking at you kdawson...
And it's fricking bizar there is so much bullshit modded insightfull here. NTP works best with consistent latency, the chances of getting consistent latency are generally bigger with server which are close to you, but the current NTP implementations are not trying magically locate a close server. They will use the servers they happen to get. You will have to edit your ntp.conf to use .pool.ntp.org to get at least servers in your own country. Better yet, get an ISP which provides a decent set of ntp servers and use these.