I live in Oklahoma, and the above poster is underestimating the shittiness of Oklahoma roads.
I'd say at least 3 or 4 more shitty's were needed.
LOL
And yes, they really are that bad, ppl have tried to sue the local government over damage done to their cars.
Some potholes are so big they have blown out tires, and the driver lost control on the wet road and KILLED ppl or themselves because they hit a tree or oncoming car.
So just with that section we could make 2/3rds the world's needs. With another 10% we could do it all minus the obvious insane transmission lines and loses.
The point is thou, it would be more than enough for the US for Electricity alone, could likely get by on 10% of those regions just for Electricity.
As I posted in the other post on Solar, the Sahara is 3.5 million square miles of Solar Power.
North Africa & Middle East are sitting on a Solar "gold mine".
Just the Sahara is 10 times the size of the 3 US Deserts.
I mean if you were to build a CSP Solar reflector system in the 3.5 million square miles of the Sahara Desert it would barely power a few Earths, how lame is that.
SEGs gets about 350 Mega Watts out of 2.5 Sq. Miles.
If you did not want to engineer the sail cloth for high storm winds then you would need to add in some release method to let it just blow past once the wind exceeded a certain threshold.
So it would do its job in low winds, and just get out of the way in high winds.
One thing that is done with excess power here in the US is pump water to a high resevoir, and it can later be run thru the turbines to generate hydro power as needed.
It is done during the fall/winter/spring at night at Hoover dam.
Lower demand due to less Air Conditioning usage.
The power from the Windmills could pump water to water tanks on tall hills or even mountains.
The extra pressure could be used for power generation, and then down pressured sent on to homes.
Here in the US in the mountains some ppl due that for Micro Hydro.
Axials are at 90% per the article, and Multi-stage Recips are even higher if done right.
Store the over production in large air tanks with safety valves of course, and give the grid what it can take at the time.
Also the car Company Tata that is making an air car found out that releasing the compressed air makes it very cold, and you could use that for a chilled water system to provide air conditioning in the summer or even cooling for freezer units.
This is very true, the corporate types call it market saturation.
You only need so many plumbers, electricians, etc etc etc.
At some tipping point it just drives wages down as the larger supply competes for smaller demand.
Production lines world wide will continue to be made more robotic, and scaled down on workers, Wal-mart should be renamed China-mart.
The population keeps going up, Less jobs, but more ppl.
Ppl who have a house and kids cannot venture out boldy and start a company unless they have a product that some other company will not jump on and leverage them out of business.
Some get bought, but most just get beat into submission by the big Corporates who don't always play fair.
As bad as things are, they are poised to get a lot worse.
They made buying generic drugs illegal here, they made going to Canada for your drugs illegal.
Protect the corporate profits, not the citizens.
Saw an old man boarding a bus on TV saying he was a criminal and grinning. They go as a busloads to Canada to get their 'illegal' Meds so they don't die because they are poor.
It is pathetic.
We have billion dollar bail outs of banks, and ppl are thrown out of their homes.
Why no bail out for the home owners ? Protecting Cash Inc. again.
I'd say a job that requires a Security Clearance, or the person needs to speak very clear English. That doesn't equal many jobs for the average person though.
Everything else is fair game for being offshored, outsourced, near sourced, Alphabet VISA'd, or worked by border jumpers.
Things like the L1 Visa have 'unlimited' caps on them, and H1-B has been raised to huge levels per year.
Once the VISA workers live here, they get a guest VISA for Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, etc etc etc.
The person with the guest VISA never goes home and you meet him at the local fast food place serving you food, or quickie mart selling you your gas, etc etc etc.
This game is going to continue until they can reduce wages on any and all jobs to the point the Corporate Whores are happy with their level of profits.
In case you have not noticed they always want more...
You do the math...
The race for the Bottom is on ! Who is the winner ?
Not the Sled Dog....and that is the working class.
Holbrooke called this years ago, he said russians planned to instigate this thru sabotage and covert ops.
It took all this time for the georgians to final snap.
The russians had troops massed on the border for over a week before it all started cranking up.
This is like those kids that were throwing things at the tiger in the zoo and it jumped the fence and killed one, but left other non-antagonists alone.
60 miles of single mode is to get Tier 1 access "onto" the rez.
Via ATM, Asynchronous Transfer Mode, SONET would be too high.
Once the Tier-1 access has been extended to the central portion of the Rez they already have the wired infrastructure hooked up to the centralized satellite system they have been using.
Aerial fiber is easier than buried fiber, but is susceptible to outages due to ice storms, etc etc.
Buried is risky if the population of fiber seeking backhoe is high.
If a cable TV company can do it, the tribe can contract someone to do it in a matter of a few weeks.
I promise you they are paying a butt load for that satellite and I bet the latency for real time apps sucks.
If 10% of the tribe signed up at dial up prices, ie. $20/mo. they could $48,000 a month approx. coming in and it would cover the cost of the OC-3.
They could block p2p, newsgroups, and IRC to save lots of bandwidth.
Wouldn't it be necessary to run cable to each of these homes and businesses and schools?
No, Wireless is doable.
If third world countries with no Indian casinos can do cellular as their primary communications, then the tribes can do it too if they contract it out but monitor it like a hawk for corruption.
It is 60 miles to the nearest town with net access.
So I will venture that town has fiber.
Fiber can be run close to 200 miles without a line amp.
A cpl of Asynchronous Xfer Mode cards for each end are a few hundred bucks, and some older refurb Cisco gear and your good to go.
An OC-3 in the town 60 miles away from the local carrier will cost less than $10,000/mo. and give them 155 Mbps that they can hookup to a Squid Box to use as caching mechanism to save on xmitting the same data twice to two different hosts.
Local cable TV companies ran their fiber in aerial protected cabling with a strength enhancing strand down the center.
When you consider how much aerial fiber the cable companies ran in major cities, I'd say it is easily doable.
The Navajo should contract it out.
For 2.25 billion I dare say they could do their own Coop ISP like some other ppl have done around the US.
Slashdot Mirror
Maybe it does...
http://www.onelook.com/?w=literally&ls=a
I live in Oklahoma, and the above poster is underestimating
the shittiness of Oklahoma roads.
I'd say at least 3 or 4 more shitty's were needed.
LOL
And yes, they really are that bad, ppl have tried to sue
the local government over damage done to their cars.
Some potholes are so big they have blown out tires,
and the driver lost control on the wet road and KILLED
ppl or themselves because they hit a tree or oncoming car.
It is "THAT" bad.
In my other posts I mention the pumped storage that others
have mentioned as well.
Hoover damn does it certain times of year mostly at night.
Also the new idea for using highly efficient multi stage
air compressors to store it in large air tanks with safety
valves of course.
The posts are here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=914143&cid=24773927
and here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=914143&cid=24773991
Yeah the projected cost for the Iraq War is 3+ trillion.
I can't even imagine how far you could expand the SEGs
system on 3 trillion dollars.
It would generate enough profit at that point to pay for
massive expansions every year.
Oh well...The Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big GMO Food ppl got
other plans for you and I.
Some areas get too much rain/overcast, its best to build
solar power where the land will not grow food, and little
to nothing lives there animal wise.
In other words, the harsher deserts.
Great basin is 200,000 sq. miles, not all of it usable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Basin_Desert
Mojave Desert is 22,000 sq. miles, not all of it usable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_desert
Sonora Desert is 120,000 sq. miles, not all of it usable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonora_desert
Total for just those 3 = 340,000 sq. miles roughly.
Use 20% for about 68,000 sq. miles, use SEGs array as a guideline
and you get 140 Megawatts per sq. mile.
In other words about 9.5 Tera Watts.
The entire Earth uses about 15 Tera Watts constant on average
of all forms of power including oil, gas, wind, solar,
nuclear etc etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_resources_and_consumption
So just with that section we could make 2/3rds the world's
needs. With another 10% we could do it all minus the
obvious insane transmission lines and loses.
The point is thou, it would be more than enough for the US
for Electricity alone, could likely get by on 10% of those
regions just for Electricity.
As I posted in the other post on Solar, the Sahara is
3.5 million square miles of Solar Power.
North Africa & Middle East are sitting on a Solar "gold mine".
Just the Sahara is 10 times the size of the 3 US Deserts.
SEGs does not require pricey photovoltaic cells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEGS
Yeah Solar sucks, look at how little power hits the Earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#Energy_from_the_Sun
I mean if you were to build a CSP Solar reflector system in the
3.5 million square miles of the Sahara Desert it would barely
power a few Earths, how lame is that.
SEGs gets about 350 Mega Watts out of 2.5 Sq. Miles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Energy_Generating_Systems
Boooooo Solar..... .......
Or not.....
Power transmission losses for the Entire US/UK power grid
in 1995/1998 averaged a little over 7%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission#Losses
The nerds are in the house...and have been for years.
One idea I had for places that had slow wind, but constant wind
was a "Wind Focus".
Basically something like sail cloth that acts like a Venturi
nozzle and takes wind from a large area and focus it onto
a smaller area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect
If you did not want to engineer the sail cloth for high
storm winds then you would need to add in some release
method to let it just blow past once the wind exceeded
a certain threshold.
So it would do its job in low winds, and just get out of the
way in high winds.
Counter weights might do the trick ;)
One thing that is done with excess power here in the US is pump
water to a high resevoir, and it can later be run thru the
turbines to generate hydro power as needed.
It is done during the fall/winter/spring at night at Hoover dam.
Lower demand due to less Air Conditioning usage.
The power from the Windmills could pump water to water tanks
on tall hills or even mountains.
The extra pressure could be used for power generation, and then
down pressured sent on to homes.
Here in the US in the mountains some ppl due that for Micro Hydro.
I thought of another way to store the power from the wind too,
you could run air compressors and store compressed air, and
then run them backwards.
Some compressors are pretty efficient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_compressor#Axial-flow_compressors
Axials are at 90% per the article, and Multi-stage Recips
are even higher if done right.
Store the over production in large air tanks with safety valves
of course, and give the grid what it can take at the time.
Also the car Company Tata that is making an air car found out
that releasing the compressed air makes it very cold, and you
could use that for a chilled water system to provide air
conditioning in the summer or even cooling for freezer units.
Details here mention Cox rolling it out in Arizona,
but it is here as well with Cox.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/cox-arizona-has-increased-speeds/story.aspx?guid={252044FA-B424-46B0-83A1-9848D796CF12}
9 Mbps is available here in Oklahoma City.
You'd think somewhere in this country
DOCSIS 3.0 would be deployed already...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docsis#Speed_Table
Several countries have much faster net access,
such as most of Finland, Norway, Japan.
A few very small pilot areas here in the US
have fiber to the curb.
It is ALWAYS only rich neighborhoods.
I do not know of a single fiber to the curb
deployment in the US in a poor area, if you
do plz let me know via reply.
This is very true, the corporate types call it market saturation.
You only need so many plumbers, electricians, etc etc etc.
At some tipping point it just drives wages down
as the larger supply competes for smaller demand.
Production lines world wide will continue to be made more robotic,
and scaled down on workers, Wal-mart should be renamed China-mart.
The population keeps going up, Less jobs, but more ppl.
Ppl who have a house and kids cannot venture out boldy and
start a company unless they have a product that some other
company will not jump on and leverage them out of business.
Some get bought, but most just get beat into submission
by the big Corporates who don't always play fair.
As bad as things are, they are poised to get a lot worse.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4563171.ece
The war with Iran/Russia is coming, and we race head long like
a bunch of nationalistic monkeys who think its a sport event.
It will not be as cheap as Iraq was at 3+ trillion dollars
on projected cost, sooooo cccchhheeeeaaaappppp.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
That is some real Mc Lovin right there.
Hold onto your hat Dorothy we are in for a bumpy ride in Oz.
The russians have an opinion on how this is going to go too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Yamantaw
They don't carry bombs on those old bombers:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/kh-101.htm
They carry KH-555's, upgraded stealth cruise missiles with
200 - 500 kilo-ton warheads.
They have made visits to Cuba to check the Infrastructure,
and have plans for a back up base with Chavez.
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/3929
Your listening to corporate Propaganda again.
The H1-b workers ALONE have exceeded your tiny 500k number.
Do some research before you post.
The Alphabet list of VISA's are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_visas#Select_List_of_the_Various_Types_of_Visas
Sell your Corporate Whore Bull$hit somewhere else.
The truth is the truth, no amount of bull$hit is going
to cover it up.
Anything that we can do here, they can do there.
And most often for less.
They made buying generic drugs illegal here, they made
going to Canada for your drugs illegal.
Protect the corporate profits, not the citizens.
Saw an old man boarding a bus on TV saying he was a criminal
and grinning. They go as a busloads to Canada to get
their 'illegal' Meds so they don't die because they are poor.
It is pathetic.
We have billion dollar bail outs of banks, and ppl are thrown
out of their homes.
Why no bail out for the home owners ? Protecting Cash Inc. again.
I'd say a job that requires a Security Clearance, or the
person needs to speak very clear English. That doesn't
equal many jobs for the average person though.
Everything else is fair game for being offshored, outsourced,
near sourced, Alphabet VISA'd, or worked by border jumpers.
Things like the L1 Visa have 'unlimited' caps on them, and
H1-B has been raised to huge levels per year.
Once the VISA workers live here, they get a guest VISA
for Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, etc etc etc.
The person with the guest VISA never goes home and you meet
him at the local fast food place serving you food, or quickie
mart selling you your gas, etc etc etc.
This game is going to continue until they can reduce wages
on any and all jobs to the point the Corporate Whores are
happy with their level of profits.
In case you have not noticed they always want more...
You do the math...
The race for the Bottom is on ! Who is the winner ?
Not the Sled Dog ....and that is the working class.
Holbrooke called this years ago, he said russians planned to
instigate this thru sabotage and covert ops.
It took all this time for the georgians to final snap.
The russians had troops massed on the border for over a week before
it all started cranking up.
This is like those kids that were throwing things at the tiger
in the zoo and it jumped the fence and killed one, but left other
non-antagonists alone.
Additionally, the 60 mile run is just to cable up the
wired Infrastructure that is already in place connected
to the satellite system.
60 miles of single mode is to get Tier 1 access "onto" the rez.
Via ATM, Asynchronous Transfer Mode, SONET would be too high.
Once the Tier-1 access has been extended to the central portion
of the Rez they already have the wired infrastructure hooked
up to the centralized satellite system they have been using.
Aerial fiber is easier than buried fiber, but is susceptible
to outages due to ice storms, etc etc.
Buried is risky if the population of fiber seeking backhoe is high.
If a cable TV company can do it, the tribe can contract someone to
do it in a matter of a few weeks.
I promise you they are paying a butt load for that satellite
and I bet the latency for real time apps sucks.
If 10% of the tribe signed up at dial up prices, ie. $20/mo.
they could $48,000 a month approx. coming in and it would
cover the cost of the OC-3.
They could block p2p, newsgroups, and IRC to save lots of bandwidth.
Wouldn't it be necessary to run cable to each of these homes and businesses and schools?
No, Wireless is doable.
If third world countries with no Indian casinos can do
cellular as their primary communications, then the tribes
can do it too if they contract it out but monitor it
like a hawk for corruption.
1. Read your own .sig
Read your obituary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Don't forget China ...
http://www.wired.com/science/space/news/2006/12/72276
For some reason my mind swapped price of T-3 and OC-3.
Correction the OC-3 costs around $40,000/mo.
It is 60 miles to the nearest town with net access.
So I will venture that town has fiber.
Fiber can be run close to 200 miles without a line amp.
A cpl of Asynchronous Xfer Mode cards for each end are a
few hundred bucks, and some older refurb Cisco gear and
your good to go.
An OC-3 in the town 60 miles away from the local
carrier will cost less than $10,000/mo. and give them
155 Mbps that they can hookup to a Squid Box to
use as caching mechanism to save on xmitting the
same data twice to two different hosts.
Local cable TV companies ran their fiber in aerial protected
cabling with a strength enhancing strand down the center.
When you consider how much aerial fiber the cable companies
ran in major cities, I'd say it is easily doable.
The Navajo should contract it out.
For 2.25 billion I dare say they could do their own Coop ISP
like some other ppl have done around the US.
http://www.coop.net/
And when they run it run multi-strand in case one fiber pair
has issues at some point in the future.
In fact I bet as a PR stunt Cisco would come out and profile
the whole setup for them.
Just my two cents...
Where's the +1 (Conspiracy)?
It's right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Lantern_(software)
It uses common OS vulnerabilities, apparently they didn't get patched.
Also mentioned some of the Anti-virus vendors removed this
from the databases so it could remain in the system.
Also look up Echelon and Carnivore.
Also another tasty bit is right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
Enjoy !
Sieg Heil !