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East Coast Broadband Fastest In USA

Death Metal Maniac writes "The study, which was conducted by affordable-broadband advocacy group Speed Matters, found that the nine states with the fastest median download connections are all located on the East Coast. Rhode Island (6.8Mbps) and Delaware (6.7Mbps) have the fastest, and nearly triple the national median download speed of 2.3Mbps. Rounding out the Top 5 states are New Jersey (5.8Mbps), Virginia (5Mbps) and Massachusetts (4.6Mbps)."

363 comments

  1. geh by snarfies · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's nice.

    Meanwhile, as of last week, we STILL cannot buy FIOS in Philadelphia. No matter how much I want to give Verizon my money, they just won't take it.

    1. Re:geh by mathgeek13 · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Hah. They've at least laid the lines to my house, it's just that some people (aka parents) refuse to upgrade. That will have at least some effect on speeds, since people can't be forced to get faster connections.

    2. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Meanwhile, as of last week, we STILL cannot buy FIOS in Philadelphia. No matter how much I want to give Verizon my money, they just won't take it.

      That's because FIOS requires major infrastructure upgrades on the part of Verizon. But they are working on it. It just may be a while till they get to your neighborhood.

    3. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I laid down a couple fat lines last night. High quality shit -- I was partying all night.

    4. Re:geh by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Up here in NH (One of the many states nobody cares about, apparently), I got a flyer from my new local provider called Fairpoint.

      There was a big controversy over fairpoint buying out NH, Vermont, and Maine, because fairpoint clearly didn't have the resources to roll out fiber optics, and verizon had "plans" to, (apparently not).

      Anyway, I got a flyer from them announcing faster-than-ever 7.1 mbps downloads. Of course, in Boston, Comcast offers 16 mbps, but hey, this was still a nice move from my current verizon dsl at 3 mbps.

      So I called them up and asked how to get started. They did some checking on things, and told me it wasn't available in my area. I was confused. Did they not have my address when they sent me the flyer? I begged them to take money from me, I just want some speed, please! But alas, We live in the USA. In internet terms, we're third world.

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    5. Re:geh by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      I'm a half mile from a Verizon fiber line, problem is it's in Delaware and I'm in Maryland. I think my only choice is to talk a neighbor in DE into getting the fiber hookup and running my own last (half-)mile of fiber or wireless through trees. In any case, it would seem I'm looking at a couple grand just to be able to hook into it. :(

      While I have yet to try talking to Verizon about it, I seriously doubt I could convince them to take my money for any solution other than the neighbor idea.

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    6. Re:geh by Cheeko · · Score: 1

      Its not just Philly.

      Boston was supposedly the first metro area they rolled out FiOS, and while almost every suburb has it around here their urban penetration has been exactly ZERO. I've been contacting Verizon repeatedly over the last year so I can dump first RCN and now Comcast (god I want to get rid of Comcast /shudder), but they keep saying, we'll roll out in your area soon. Its been over 2 years.

      I think the basic issue is that in the suburbs its easy to run the fiber based on the income generated. In the city where they'll need to do underground work, and possibly dig up sidewalks/streets its much more cost prohibitive compared to the customers it will get them.

      That being said, the cable services have been getting far far worse in terms of signal quality and thats not even taking into account things like "traffic shaping".

    7. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, that's what happens when you live in your parents' basement.

    8. Re:geh by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I get about 6 mbps down here in New Orleans...Cox cable.

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    9. Re:geh by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      I'm just south of you in Baltimore and I LOFF my FIOS. I also love Comcast begging me to take them back claiming 1Mbps faster than fios, and telling them "Sure, as soon as you give me a signed statement promising not to throttle my torrent traffic or anything else."

    10. Re:geh by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So I called them up and asked how to get started. They did some checking on things, and told me it wasn't available in my area. I was confused. Did they not have my address when they sent me the flyer?

      Yeah. Frustrating. I've been having fliers delivered to my doorstep for *years* now, and yet they're not even remotely in my area. It's not just a situation where the neighbors down the street can get FiOS, but I'm just barely on the other side of the line-- no. You can't get FiOS in my zip code. You can't even get it in my neighboring zipcodes.

    11. Re:geh by LaughingCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the city where they'll need to do underground work, and possibly dig up sidewalks/streets its much more cost prohibitive compared to the customers it will get them.

      You're right! Many palms to be greased. Unions. Pols. "Neighborhood activists". It is ungodly expensive to do anything in Boston (see Big Dig). Probably this is true of any large American city. And they wonder why those with the means move to the suburbs.

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    12. Re:geh by yuna49 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Boston was supposedly the first metro area they rolled out FiOS, and while almost every suburb has it around here their urban penetration has been exactly ZERO.

      While Slashdotters are often more interested in FiOS internet service, it's cable television services which call the shots. To offer cable in a locality, Verizon must first obtain a license from the city or town. As of now, the City of Boston has not granted them a license. Looking at the City's website, I don't see any evidence that Verizon has applied for a license either.

      Maybe you should call them to see where the licensing procedure stands?

    13. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well we're also third world in most other things, including health care...

    14. Re:geh by pixelite · · Score: 1

      i live in las vegas, we get 10 Mbps...cox cable also. it aint cheep though.

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    15. Re:geh by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      In Rhode Island I have a Cox connection too, 20/2, for $50/mo.

      I often see 2.3MB/s downloads and 250KB/s uploads. I with the upload was faster, but that's the limit of DOCSIS2 so there's nothing that can be done about that until FIOS is available or Cox upgrades their system to DOCSIS3.

      I mean, FIOS is fast and all from what the numbers say, but I don't look forward to being a Verizon customer..

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    16. Re:geh by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Comcast is not a bad ISP. My friend has had it for some time (Seekonk, MA) and while it's not as fast as my Cox cable connection, Comcast has always been extremely resistant to blocking any network ports for their subscribers.

      Even when Code Red was the big thing (and when most ISP's started blocking incoming ports for their subscribers) Comcast wrote a script to check for the vulnerability themselves, and would only block 80 on those subscribers with unpatched IIS. Once you fixed your IIS server, you could call them, and they'd run the check and then unblock the port. That went way above and beyond what any other ISP did for their subscribers.

      He still has 80, 443, 21, 53, 23, 25 open, while Cox requires that you spend twice as much on their business service for the same service.

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    17. Re:geh by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 1

      We can get 14Mbps in Florida with Brighthouse, and it's only $10 more a month than the normal 7Mbps. Pretty decent.

    18. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I am exiled in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and I have 8 mbps down/768 kbps up cable Internet. And it is readily available around here.
      So, I don't see a problem, besides greed, for US ISPs to deploy faster broadband networks. If the Brazilians did that here in Brazil, baby-Bells should be able to do the same back in the USA...

    19. Re:geh by ParanoiaBOTS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's nice.

      Meanwhile, as of last week, we STILL cannot buy FIOS in Philadelphia. No matter how much I want to give Verizon my money, they just won't take it.

      Where I live, I have only 1 option for internet. It is microwave broadcast. It is (supposedly) a 7Mb connect,the only thing is that after 1 gig of download they throttle you, then after 2 gig they throttle you again. I tried downloading a distro of Linux and it took me 7 days.

    20. Re:geh by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      And here on the west coast (Western Washington), FIOS doesn't even exist. Hell, we can't even get dry-loop DSL.

      That's ok, though, Verizon. Just because we have Amazon, Microsoft, Nintendo of America, uncountable .coms-- I'm sure nobody in this area works in the tech field and really cares about connection speeds. Go ahead and finish up installing in rural Texas and just get around to us when you feel ready, k?

    21. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not port blocking that I'm that interested in. It's the forging RST packets that pisses me off. Any ISP that injects RST packets into a communication fraudlently can't be called "not a bad ISP". That's like an airline stopping a non-stop flight from New York to LA in Cleveland and stranding all of the passengers there because someone in the back farted a little too loudly. You certainly wouldn't call them "not a bad airline", regardless of how many non-stop flights they had that stopped in Cleveland and stranded their passengers there.

    22. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's because of franchise issues. It's a mess, really. Verizon really wants you to have FIOS service, but there are various roadblocks beyond infrastructure.

    23. Re:geh by MrMarket · · Score: 1

      That's nice.

      Meanwhile, as of last week, we STILL cannot buy FIOS in Philadelphia. No matter how much I want to give Verizon my money, they just won't take it.

      Isn't Comcast's headquarters in Philly? Hate to break it to you, but you'll never get FIOS in Comcast's back yard.

    24. Re:geh by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      9 Mbps is available here in Oklahoma City.

      You'd think somewhere in this country
      DOCSIS 3.0 would be deployed already...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docsis#Speed_Table

      Several countries have much faster net access,
      such as most of Finland, Norway, Japan.

      A few very small pilot areas here in the US
      have fiber to the curb.

      It is ALWAYS only rich neighborhoods.

      I do not know of a single fiber to the curb
      deployment in the US in a poor area, if you
      do plz let me know via reply.

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    25. Re:geh by noewun · · Score: 1

      I think the basic issue is that in the suburbs its easy to run the fiber based on the income generated. In the city where they'll need to do underground work, and possibly dig up sidewalks/streets its much more cost prohibitive compared to the customers it will get them.

      Dunno about that. NYC has FiOS all over the place. I don't have it, though, as I refuse to give Verizon any moreo of my money (they're my local phone company).

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    26. Re:geh by DikSeaCup · · Score: 1

      I don't know what alternatives you have for access there (IE, who you're currently using), but here in Tampa it's basically Verizon FIOS and Bright House. While there may be something to say for FIOS's network speed, Bright House wasn't too bad when I used it, and their current HD TV line up and general cable service have some strong points over Verizon's. Enough to where I'm tempted to switch back, at least until Verizon's HD channels start matching up with Bright House's.

    27. Re:geh by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Details here mention Cox rolling it out in Arizona,
      but it is here as well with Cox.

      http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/cox-arizona-has-increased-speeds/story.aspx?guid={252044FA-B424-46B0-83A1-9848D796CF12}

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    28. Re:geh by Cheeko · · Score: 3, Informative

      Comcast has been horrific for me. Their customer service is terrible, their software for their DVRs is awful (even their own techs say it), and they engage in all sorts of shady underhanded stuff like forging reset packets, throttling high usage customers (who are within the bandwidth limits they ALREADY paid for).

      Overall they've just been a terrible company to have to deal with.

    29. Re:geh by noewun · · Score: 1

      Crap, I forgot: Verizon also seems to be promising more than they can deliver. I worked with a guy who ordered FiOS. It took Verizon six trips to his place to get it connected, and he only got half the advertised speed.

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    30. Re:geh by Cheeko · · Score: 1

      Ah I probably should have clarified. I'm in Somerville, but as far as I know they have yet to roll out FiOS in Somerville, Cambridge, Boston, or any of the urban areas immediately surrounding Boston. However most or all of the suburbs around Boston have it. Friends in Marlborough, Framingham, etc tell me its solved most or all of the issues they've had with traditional cable ISPs.

    31. Re:geh by Cheeko · · Score: 1

      Maybe its a density issue then. I mean any utility that goes into NYC is going to be underground, but running fiber to one building might net them multiple customers.

      A lot of the Boston/Somerville/Cambridge area is dense, but the buildings themselves tend not to be overly populated. (Lots of triple deckers close together, though there are apt buildings as well).

      What parts of NYC have verizon? Manhattan, Brooklyn? I know good portions of Jersey and CT are covered.

    32. Re:geh by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I mean, FIOS is fast and all from what the numbers say, but I don't look forward to being a Verizon customer.

      Yes, it's painful to navigate their phone tree to get anything done. I wanted to increase the speed (i.e., pay them more money), and it took nearly two days of tranfers to get to the right person to talk to.

      On the other hand, it took less than 3 days to get that higher speed enabled, and I have had so few problems with the service itself (almost no downtime, no speed limits, etc.) that it's worth the occasional hassle.

      One other thing I like about Verizon FIOS is that the price they quote is what you pay. I'm on a $139.99/month plan (15/15 with 5 static IPs) and that is exactly what my bill is each month. No tax, no franchise fee, no "network access fee", etc. Of course, the cell phone side of Verizon can't do their bills like this because "it's a goverment-imposed rule" (not).

    33. Re:geh by GT500Shlby · · Score: 1

      I have Verizon FiOS in my area and I live in a suburb of Philly. 15Mbps down.

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    34. Re:geh by nabsltd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While Slashdotters are often more interested in FiOS internet service, it's cable television services which call the shots. To offer cable in a locality, Verizon must first obtain a license from the city or town.

      This is only for TV service. I had FIOS internet for nearly two years before my county approved Verizon as a cable TV provider.

    35. Re:geh by SkyDude · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe a major part of the problem with Fios in bigger cities is the fiber itself. Last year, Corning announced development of a bendable fiber, which will help the installation in multi-family homes. Not having ever had any experience as a fiber installer, I don't know if this is BS or not, but it seems Verizon is now making plans to penetrate the bigger cities.

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    36. Re:geh by Lally+Singh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the order of $4k per customer.

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    37. Re:geh by Ultra64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bad Analogy Guy, is that you?

    38. Re:geh by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 1

      New Jersey only has fast broadband because Level3 loves the state.

    39. Re:geh by Ascoo · · Score: 1

      Looks like Manhattan isn't well covered. I know my apartment complex down in the NOHO/SOHO region isn't covered yet.

      According to:
      http://www.dslreports.com/gmaps/fios

      It seems as if brooklyn and queens are better covered.

    40. Re:geh by rcharbon · · Score: 1

      In many Massachusetts towns, Verizion is supplying FiOS phone and internet, but not TV due to the town's contract with the cable company. Just because they can't put Verizon TV in Boston doesn't mean that they can't put in internet.

    41. Re:geh by djtachyon · · Score: 1

      Why is everybody all about FIOS? I have Cablevision in North New Jersey and get 26MBit/4.85MBit (30/5) with Cablevision Optimum Online Boost. That also comes with free webspace, free domain, and opened port 80 and 25. Thats for about $55/month. Apparently they are testing 50mbit/50mbit as well. FIOS can't touch that without prices skyrocketing.

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    42. Re:geh by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      Isn't Western Washington a non-Verizon area? Isn't it primarily served by Qwest?

    43. Re:geh by Ucklak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cox

      Arkansas
      $45 for 9mbps
      $60 for 12mbps
      http://www.cox.com/gocox/HighSpeedInternet/

      Arizona
      $45 for 12mbps
      $60 for 20
      http://www.cox.com/arizona/hsi.asp

      Santa Barbara
      $50 for 5mbps
      $65 for 12mbps
      http://www.cox.com/santabarbara/highspeedinternet/packages.asp

      Idaho
      $42 to $56 for
      7 mbps to 12 mbps
      http://www.cox.com/idaho/highspeedinternet/pricing.asp

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    44. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got it here in Dover, DE but coverage is spotty.I have the 15/2 at my house and its great. My best friend across town has is also but my aunt who lives about 6 houses down on the street behind his can't get it yet.

    45. Re:geh by gallwapa · · Score: 1

      FiOS is in Redmond last I checked. Other areas around Greater Seattle area.

      Still no where near Tacoma area though.

    46. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Need to move out to the suburbs - here in Eastern Montgomery County FIOS has been around for well over a year.

    47. Re:geh by daoine_sidhe · · Score: 1

      There were actually quite a few issues with the Fairpoint takeover beyond the broadband. One major, screaming example: EIGHT outages in the 911 system in the largest metro area in Maine (Portland metro area) since the takeover.

      Anyone who has had dealings with Fairpoint (at least in maine) was dead-set against this deal going through. Up until very recently the fastest broadband DSL available in Fairpoint serviced areas (pre-Verizon takeover at least) was 3Mb at around ~$60/month.

    48. Re:geh by RobBebop · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've worked on embedded systems projects that have used fiber internally as a communications buffer. If a short piece is bent, it breaks and needs to be replaced. And fiber costs more than the normal stuff used for passing messages back and forth... so the bend-and-break (or stretch-and-break) factor is real.

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    49. Re:geh by noewun · · Score: 1

      I'm in the West Village and get offered FiOS at least once a week.

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    50. Re:geh by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Oh, well, I'm in Snohomish, and I get no FIOS and no dry-loop DSL. Whenever I ask them about it, they say "not yet." Dry-loop has been "not yet" for something like 6 years now... fuckers. (I think one of the problems is that we were one of the earliest areas to get DSL and they've never bothered to upgrade their equipment. Just guessing.)

      It's almost enough to make me want to pay for Comcast. They're blood-sucking parasites who hate all customers, but at least they sell stand-alone Internet service for less than Verizon's local phone + DSL.

    51. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that. Not to brag, but here in Sweden, only cellphone-based and the most cheap-o subscriptions(That'd be my parents' $10/month way out in the bush) are slower than, say 4-8 Mb/s.

      Personally I live in Stockholm and have a 100 Mb/s fiber(bredbandsbolaget).
      Next year I've heard they will upgrade it to 1 Gb/s! To top some up'n comin competitor.

      Not that it matters, really, since my firewall is actually the bottleneck.
      I think 100 is already ridiculously fast.
      Especially since I once owned a 1200 baud modem.

      Good times though. Technically speaking.

    52. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I begged them to take money from me, I just want some speed

      Dude, you need to slow down. Take a break. I will re-up this evening, call me after 8.

    53. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called Comcast, use it.

    54. Re:geh by c00rdb · · Score: 1

      That's not true, we recently had it installed in the University City area. I'm wondering where you're located that you can't get FIOS.

    55. Re:geh by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      This is only for TV service. I had FIOS internet for nearly two years before my county approved Verizon as a cable TV provider.

      We did too (Waltham MA) but given how hard they push their 3-fer package, I imagine that's where all the profit is.

    56. Re:geh by ZipprHead · · Score: 1

      Philadelphia is a very old city, it's got a huge corrupt bureaucratic government and a mess of old infrastructure. The cost of ripping up all those streets to lay fiber for fios is so cost prohibitive that I don't see it happening for 20 years less a miracle comes from Michael Nutter.

    57. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot get FIOS in Philadelphia because this is the headquarters for Comcast.

      Philadelphia is an economically strapped city with a patronage machine that goes back over 100 years. Do you honestly think Philadelphia City Hall would do ANYTHING to make Comcast mad at them when it's the only megalarge company in the city?

    58. Re:geh by paganizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Paris, TN; outside "city" limits:

      Beasley Wireless
      $40 for 384k down, 128k up (except during daylight hours, when you are lucky to get any connection at all)

      AT&T
      $23 for single channel ISDN (64k), $40 / mo. line charges. (128k ISDN unavailable)

      Various
      $23 for 33.6k (on a good day) dial-up

      Must be nice to not be limited by the above choices.

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    59. Re:geh by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not, but I'd bet their projected return-on-investment for Boston doesn't justify pulling fiber until they can sell TV. Here in Newton, they just hung it on the poles as I'm sure they did in most suburban or ex-urban builds. I'm not up to date on the rules governing these services, but I suspect they can't cherry-pick neighborhoods within the City to rewire either. (Even if they could, that certainly wouldn't make for good politics when they later apply to the City for a CATV license.) If so, that makes Boston and similar cities an all-or-nothing proposition.

      The whole strategy for FiOS rollouts seems to me to be based on cherry-picking areas with sufficient income levels, and relatively easy builds, to expect good returns.

    60. Re:geh by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Either that, or it might have something to do with comcast's headquarters being located in Philly...

    61. Re:geh by BgJonson79 · · Score: 1

      But as soon as we get infrastructure, our "neighbors" from the south will move in. Is that something we really want? :-)

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    62. Re:geh by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Comcast just started blocking port 25 in all directions for me. I'm looking for a new ISP just because of that. They want you to use 587, which basically means that there are no mail servers on the Internet which can connect to your machine. I talked to their tech support, and they're just as incompetent as ever. I used to be happy with the service, but ever since we got our DVR and it won't record Top Gear, I'm over it.

    63. Re:geh by tencats · · Score: 1

      Metro Denver, Colorado

      I now have 7Mbps but I can upgrade to 12 or 20.

    64. Re:geh by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      At least you're in a position to eventually get FiOS. Rocester, NY is sandwiched between FiOS serviced Buffalo and Syracuse and we will *never* get it because of our local telco.

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    65. Re:geh by narooze · · Score: 1

      Sweden
      150 SEK (~$24) for 10Mb/s (up and down)
      320 SEK (~$50) for 100Mb/s (up and down)

    66. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they need a cable license to offer IPTV. It's not the same thing as cable and shouldn't be regulated as such.

    67. Re:geh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      One other thing I like about Verizon FIOS is that the price they quote is what you pay. I'm on a $139.99/month plan (15/15 with 5 static IPs) and that is exactly what my bill is each month.

      I'm making a mental note of that. I'd love to encourage businesses to be up-front about pricing. I understand the whole concept of sticker shock, but I'm on a budget.

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    68. Re:geh by leadfoot · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you are still at 7Mbps? Cox second-tier when I signed up last year was 7Mbps/512Kbps. When I went to check a couple of weeks ago to see how much the top tier cost, I saw they had bumped up the top tier to 20Mbps/2Mbps and the second tier was 12Mbps/1Mbps. So I went to broadbandreports.com and did a speed check, and sure enough, I was bringing down just over 12Mbps and up just over 1Mbps. Give it a try if you are on Cox high speed.

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    69. Re:geh by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah. Seems this report isn't based on what's available, it's based on what people actually have. So therefore, in the northeast, where people tend to be more well off, on average, that people would have faster internet connections, on average. You can probably get 10 mbps plus in any major city in the United States.

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    70. Re:geh by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Where I live it's Verizon. I just tried Qwest's locater, and it says it doesn't serve my address. Just Verizon and Comcast (and possibly Clearwire, but I play online videogames.)

    71. Re:geh by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, I don't see a problem, besides greed, for US ISPs to deploy faster broadband networks. If the Brazilians did that here in Brazil, baby-Bells should be able to do the same back in the USA...

      The problem isn't greed. The problem is that most city governments sell exclusive franchises to ISPs, giving the ISP a local monopoly in exchange for providing access to everybody in town. Since no other ISPs can offer internet service in that market, there's no need to spend money upgrading or lowering prices to compete. They upgrade when (if) the franchise says they have to upgrade.

    72. Re:geh by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this is the case in your neck of the USA, but here in California, the telecoms split up the state into territories. Some are covered by Verizon, others by AT&T, etc. Apparently the general rule (which they, for some reason, keep hidden from prospective customers, not to mention the locations of the damned boundaries) is that each company does not invade a competitor's territory.

      As an example, I can't get FIOS, no matter how much I beg the local Verizon office, because I'm in an AT&T territory. So it's U-Verse, cable, or wireless broadband for me, which is an exercise in deciding which pile of puke to eat.

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    73. Re:geh by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Verizon didn't send the flyers, an ad agency did. All Verizon supplied them with was a list of cities they're deploying FIOS in, and zip codes don't necessarily indicate where they're going to lay fiber. So the ad agency tossed out a carpet-bombing's worth of fliers on the cities in question.

      You would have a false advertising case, but all Verizon will say is, "Hey, we are building FIOS in your city."

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      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    74. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah thats why foreign nationals come to the US for the best care. Now if you're talking about the whole HMO thing, yeah it's pretty fucked up. But to say it's third world, you are drinking some Michael Moore koolaid. We have the best doctors, the best medicine (shit we research and develop them here). So fuck off with your anti-Americanism. It doesn't impress the ladies anymore.

    75. Re:geh by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know. Even if that's the case, I would wonder if Verizon intentionally had an ad agency do that, but maintained a level of plausible deniability.

      They've changed their setup now, but it used to be that when you checked for FIOS availability, and FIOS was not available, it wouldn't tell you that. Instead, it would say, in great big letters, "Congratulations, Verizon Broadband is available in your area." And then it would point you towards their DSL services as though you were checking for that. I always thought it seemed intentionally misleading, like a classic case of the bait and switch.

    76. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >it's just that some people (aka parents) refuse to upgrade.

      Why not offer to pay for it yourself?

    77. Re:geh by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      Anyway, I got a flyer from them announcing faster-than-ever 7.1 mbps downloads. Of course, in Boston, Comcast offers 16 mbps, but hey, this was still a nice move from my current verizon dsl at 3 mbps.

      Sorry to disappoint, but that is a "burst" speed. I get 1.7 MB/s sustained on my "16 mbps" Boston Comcast service. And that falls to around 700 KB/s during "peak" hours. The first one or two megs is quite fast though which makes fetching my email lightning fast--just what I need!

      For a while my downloads would start out rather fast, then immediately drop to 1.00 MB/s (seriously, two decimals...), but they swore up and down that they weren't throttling my connection. Then, mysteriously, right around the time the FCC held public hearings here to discuss Comcast's "bandwidth management policies" my download speeds start to hover between 700 KB/s and 2 MB/s.

      I guess I can't really complain though because I was paying just as much for a far slower connection in Los Angeles... Wait, I can complain, and I just did.

      --
      Actually, I wrote my thesis on life experience.
    78. Re:geh by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Getting 20mbps/2mbps in Tempe, AZ.. (17/1.7 tested by speakeasy) really nice and fast... but, alas up in Prescott Valley, lucky to get 5mbps/500kbps connection via cable.. dsl gets to 7mbps/892kbps though, where available. I still want FIOS damnit.

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      Michael J. Ryan - tracker1.info
    79. Re:geh by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Japan
      $30 to $50 for
      100 mbps

      I live in Osaka, so it's relevant. As an expat, I really long for the day that the US telecoms stop making excuses and start upgrading their networks. They HAVE the money. Geography is not an excuse (after all, they could just do the big cities, but they don't).

      --
      "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
    80. Re:geh by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I don't know if the TV is a super-profitable part of that. It's the only one that really requires some work on their part (STB distribution, dealing with incredibly varying TV setups, DVR problems, etc.), has constantly increasing costs (bandwidth costs are going down, but TV programming costs are going up), and is generally heavily regulated.

      But, I'm sure the phone part is nearly all profit, and with fewer people relying on their ISP to provide them e-mail, etc., that's got to be pretty much a cash cow.

    81. Re:geh by Artuir · · Score: 1

      Be thankful they're even coming to your city. They won't ever come to the entire state of Tennessee so I'm SOL. The best we've got right now is Charter's 16/2mbps service - and they do a shitload of traffic shaping with everything so you're never getting the rated amount.

    82. Re:geh by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Move to Australia. I'm fighting tooth and nail with both Internode and Telstra to upgrade the local exchange (I'm in one of the state capitols) so I can do better than 31.2k dialup.

      I am 10 minutes from the CBD.

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    83. Re:geh by Erie+Ed · · Score: 1

      I'm going to take a wild guess that your military stationed in japan? If not sorry, anyways Germany is the same way with of course the few exceptions. Overall the german network is terrible I live in a city with a population around 110k+ people and the highest i've heard of anyone having is 10Mbps down. Of course i live on base and we get rapped by TKS (Deutsche Telekom) because they are the only provider who has cables running to our base. I pay 99 euro/month for 3Mbps/512Kbps (given the exchange rate atm that is around $150/month). So yeah I guess what i'm america still has a long way to go but it could be worse.

    84. Re:geh by ceabaird · · Score: 1

      Yep. $50 for FTTH - although RATED for 100 Mbps, we actually usually get only 70 Mbps. Although, for $5000/month you can get 1000 Mbps gigabit service

    85. Re:geh by ceabaird · · Score: 1

      Check this out: Super flexible fiber optic. I've personally seen fiber optic cable as flexible as a shoe string - a a matter of fact, it connects my ONU to the fiber backbone...

    86. Re:geh by klorand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Romania (Eastern Europe!), Cluj-Napoca
      ~15$ for 8mbps! :^D

    87. Re:geh by Diag · · Score: 1

      Which CBD?

      I live about 2 KMs from Melbourne CBD, but I only get about 5,000 Kbps on ADSL2+, because I'm over 3 KMs from my exchange :/ My friend who lives in the outer, outer suburbs of Melbourne gets 8,000 Kbps on ADSL (not 2+), but he is almost next door to his exchange.

      I am an Internode customer and am very happy with their service, but have you checked if any other ISPs have hardware in your local exchange? This site is useful : http://adsl2exchanges.com.au/

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    88. Re:geh by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Nope, just civilian. The Osaka/Kansai area is remarkable for being completely base-free.

      I used to live in Germany so I know what you mean about Deutsche Telekom; they sock it to everybody.

      --
      "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
    89. Re:geh by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      I don't live in Boston, I live in NH. No Comcast up here.

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    90. Re:geh by the_greywolf · · Score: 1

      While Slashdotters are often more interested in FiOS internet service, it's cable television services which call the shots. To offer cable in a locality, Verizon must first obtain a license from the city or town.

      I guess, then, that Twin Falls, Idaho won't be getting Verizon FiOS, ever. I was rather surprised to find out that my hometown (thank God I've long since left), has an ordinance on the books that establishes an enforced monopoly on cable services: Only one cable company is allowed to operate within the city. Period.

      Perhaps Verizon shouldn't bundle their cable service?

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      LET FORTRAN DIE!
    91. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A friend of mine worked at verizon she gave me there internal phone list, they don't use the menu tree either they all hate it. sorry its all run together, format is xxx-xxx-xxxx EAST Contact Numbers HRS/Operation Internal / Agent Number Phone number for customers Advanced Product Support Center (APSC) 866-332-0692 866-332-0692 Analog Repair (Mid Atlantic) 24/7 800-275-2355 800-275-2355 Analog Repair (New England) 24/7 800-980-9999 Option 4 800-980-9999 Option 4 Analog Repair (New York) 24/7 212-890-6611 212-890-6611 Billing (SPANISH) 8a-8p CST 888 814-0041 CAT Team 800 340-6221 DSL Customer Retention Team 7a-5p M-F CST 866-268-4630, opt. 4,1,1 800-567-6789 say "Cancel DSL Service" Dial-up Billing 24/7 866-268-4630, option 2 800-567-6789 say "Dialup Billing" DSL Billing East (CST) 8a-9p M-F (9-6 Sa) 866-268-4630, option 2,2,1 800-567-6789 say "DSL Billing" DSL Billing WEST (CST) 8a-9p M-F (9-6 Sa) 866-268-4630, option 2,2,1 800-567-6789 say "DSL Billing" DSL Business Technical Support (BCOE Team) 24/7 888-649-9500 888-649-9500 DSL Sales 7AM - 11PM M-F 866-268-4630, option 3,1 800-567-6789 say "DSL Order" DSL Tech Support (SPANISH) 9AM - 6PM EST 888-814-0041 DSL Technical Support 24/7 866-268-4630, option 1, 1 800-567-6789say"DSL Technical Support" DSL Business Billing 8AM - 9PM M-F 888-649-9500 Option 2 888-649-9500 Option 2 DSL Business Sales 888-649-9500 Option 3 888-649-9500 Option 3 DSL Business Retention 888-649-9500 Option 4 888-649-9500 Option 4 E-Care 866-504-2363 Encore Support 800-688-2880 ISDN (Main Number) 800-204-7332 ISDN Customer Care 757-852-1673 Option 4 800-204-7332 ISDN Line Support (CRSC) 8AM - 10 PM 800-378-2002 ISDN Sales 8a-5p M-F CST 757-852-1673 Option 2 800-204-7332 ISDN Technical Support 8a-5p M-F CST 800-204-7332 800-204-7332 Linksys (Tech to Tech) 6AM - 8PM 888-333-0244 PIN: 83725 - Consumer 83700 - Business 800-814-0165 Logitech (PC Camera) Technical Support: 24/7 800-889-0062 800-889-0062 Macintosh Team 24/7 866-268-4630, option 1, 1, 1, 2 800-567-6789 "DSL Technical Support" / then say "Macintosh" Manual registrations - Dial-up 8 AM - 8 PM 866-268-4630 opt. 2, 2, 1 800-567-6789 "Dial Up Billing" MCO East ticket status & test assist 24/7 1-866-618-7026 MCO/Remote Terminal (RT) Service Bureau 866-686-7278 Media Relations 703-974-3428 703-974-3428 MSN SubGroup 24/7 866 765-1654 PCC (Order Status) 8AM - 7PM M-F 888-267-0937 Opt 2 Select East Phone Company (cust. area code)-890-1550 TeleProducts 8AM - 6PM M - F 866-268-4630, option 5 800-567-6789 say "Teleproducts" Verizon Avenue 866-892-8368 Opt. 1, 1 866-892-8368 Opt. 1, 1 Verizon Online Dial-up support 866-268-4630, option 1, 2 800-567-6789 "help with dialup service" Verizon Online Business Tech Support 877-483-8213 Verizon Rewards 7AM-Midnight 800-427-2602 Verizon WiFi 866-765-1656 800-567-6789 say "Verizon Wi-fi" Web Hosting (VOL BUSINESS Web Hosting ONLY Interland) 800-963-8809 800-963-8809 Westell 8a-5p M-F CST 877-275-7797 630-375-4500 Verizon Wireless (cellular service) 800-922-0204 (611 from cell phone) WEST Contact Numbers HRS/Operation Internal / Agent Number Phone number for customers Advanced Product Support Center (APSC) 866-332-0692 866-332-0692 Ameritech ISDN Repair 24/7 888-727-8368 Analog Repair 24/7 800-483-1632 800-483-1000 Analog Repair (Mid Atlantic) 24/7 800-275-2355 800-275-2355 Analog Repair (New England) 24/7 800-980-9999 800-980-9999 BBN/Genuity Frame Relay 24/7 800-632-7638 Billing (SPANISH) 888 814-0041 888 814-0041 Cable Modem 24/7 800-483-8433 800-483-8433 Cable Modem Support (California) P.O.C. for GTE Worldwind customers 24/7 888-307-2424 x2 DSL Customer Retention Team (formerly Retention Team) 866-765-1660 Opt 4 800-567-6789 DCAT (DSL Customer Advocacy Team) 888-246-1292 Dial-up Billing 24/7 866-765-1660 Opt 2 800-567-6789 say "Dialup Billing" Dial-up Sales 6:30a-10:30p M-Sa CST 800-363-8483 800-363-8483 DSL Billing (CST) 866-765-1660 Opt 2,2,1 800-567-6789 DSL Billing (Business) 7AM - 10PM M-F 888-649-9500 Option 2 888-649-9500 Option 2 DSL Bill

    92. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cox cox cox cox cox. What is it about Cox that everyone loves so much?

      It's like a bucket of cox in here!

    93. Re:geh by Kelar · · Score: 1

      That's nice.

      Meanwhile, as of last week, we STILL cannot buy FIOS in Philadelphia. No matter how much I want to give Verizon my money, they just won't take it.

      Unfortunately we live in Comcast Country. Verizon is slowly building out Philadelphia though, you can always check up on the FTTP construction locations monthly at http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/pa/. It looks like a lot of center city is getting it.

    94. Re:geh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you live in an underground utility area? IE no telephone poles?

      Costs go way up as well as time needed to roll out in underground developments. In fact i'm down in mass now doing dig safe work for Fios. Takes awhile to mark out the underground utilities for entire street lengths. Wich a single hit line can negate any profits by companys.

      next you have the company to trench out the street and put in conduit. Then you have to wait for verizon to push the fiber threw the conduit, set up any new boxes in the peds and hand holes. Then you need to order the service. Then i'll come out, mark out your service lines, and someone will bury a fiber line from the handhole/ped. Now you get to pay verizon 100$ a month :p

      Fairpoint isn't doing any of this, tho i notice they have it coming off of telephone poles fairly frequently.

    95. Re:geh by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Adelaide. Thanks for the URL

      Note: Internode provide me with excellent service. I run a hosting farm at their co-lo site in the Adelaide Bank. They're just screwing me around on my home gear.

      --
      Me failed English...
      FreeBSD over Linux. If my comments seem odd, this may explain...
    96. Re:geh by aliquis · · Score: 1

      For a couple few lucky choosen ones in that case. Most people can not get that.

      (Feel free to prove me wrong ..)

  2. Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone have comparable statistics for Europe and the relevant parts of Asia?

    1. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Here in the middle of Canada I have a 10 Mbit connection which does indeed max out. Only CA$39/month.

    2. Re:Rest of the world by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 4, Informative

      In french urban areas, the standard ADSL is 24Mb/s ATM (8 to 18Mb/s real TCP BW) for 29 to 39E/Mo (with unlimited phone and taxes included), but in a few major cities, 100Mb/s cable is being deployed and sold for the same price.

    3. Re:Rest of the world by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      6MB here (Alberta, CA) for what you are paying, 10MB would be about $80 a month, but that doesnt mean anything as im in a fairly populous city, in Edmonton and Calgary you can get 25MB lines...however basically within walking distance (15KM) they barely have dial-up (28.8), as a random estimate I would probably say that the average speed for Alberta as a whole would be about 1MB... BC, which has integrated DSL more so, is probably averaging 3MB... with highs (excluding business lines 100MBit+) up to 25MB and lows of 28.8/36.6/56 dial-up...

    4. Re:Rest of the world by Valtor · · Score: 1

      Here in Canada (Quebec) using videotron. I have 7 Mbps down and 820 Kbps up for 40$/month. I could get 50 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up for 80$/month. Not bad eh ! ;-)

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    5. Re:Rest of the world by Noryungi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have an 8Mbps/1Mbps ADSL connection to the Internet here in Paris.

      My friends make fun of me. Most have got 18Mbps to 100Mpbs connections. At least one of my friends has got multiple connections.

      --
      The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
    6. Re:Rest of the world by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Unless they're using DOCSIS3, which I doubt, then the maximum a cable modem can do is 45MBit downstream.

      The 1Mbit up is what kills you. Don't ever pay $80/mo for that garbage.

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    7. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Germany, town of 5000 residents

      DSL 16 MBit/s down, 1 MBit/s up, 35 euros (currently about 52$) (includes phone calls to national landlines and unlimited internet traffic)
      on bad phone lines it's slower, but these are 30% of all lines in this town (my home town)

      town nearby, same size

      Cable TV, 32 MBit/s down, 2,5 MBit/s up, 45 euros (includes phone calls to national landlines and unlimited internet traffic)
      cable tv is not as easily available as in the US.

      Cologne (rolling out); Hamburg, Munich (testing)

      fiber optics, as good as 100 MBit/s down, 10MBit/s up starting, starting from 35 euros per month

    8. Re:Rest of the world by Valtor · · Score: 1

      Unless they're using DOCSIS3, which I doubt, then the maximum a cable modem can do is 45MBit downstream.

      The 1Mbit up is what kills you. Don't ever pay $80/mo for that garbage.

      You are right, it is in fact DOCSIS3. It looks like they will offer 100Mbps in the future.

      Canadian cable provider Videotron announced last February that the company would be offering 100Mbps cable broadband service using Cisco's pre-DOCSIS 3.0

      source

      I would indeed not pay 80$ for the current deal :)

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    9. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you are getting revenge for the decade or so of way overpriced phone service.

    10. Re:Rest of the world by Rumagent · · Score: 1

      I pay about 60 USD for a 20 Mbps connection in Denmark - phone included.

    11. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you folks across the pond have a smaller total area to network, whereas we've got hundreds of miles that have to be criss-crossed when the networks are setup. The middle of our country isn't too widely settled due to farming, and other issues/decisions. This impacts the overall performance and distance our networks span. (as a whole nation that is)

      Not only that much of the infrastructure in the US is old, in places that are hard to upgrade (read:costly, but not impossible) and are run by what more or less is a monopolistic cartel run by 2 major companies (Comcast & Verizon). I don't care who you talk to, those two companies are the largest companies that consumers deal with when it comes to the internet. ATT may still be large and Qwest may own some lines, but when it comes to consumers and where their bills go to, they go to Comcast and Verizon who in most locations usually have a monopoly (read: only/better choice).

      While it is not a right to have fast internet, it certainly is something we should push for here in the US and at reasonable cost to the consumer. While prices have gone down for T1s, it seems the cable company loves to push the prices up for their services every year.

      Also, I believe that most of other countries' internet connections are run by a monopoly no? I know that at least in Japan's cell phone market this is somewhat true. They pay thru the nose for their cell plans and don't have the same options we have here in the states. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    12. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stockholm, Sweden.
      100Mbps, 225 Swedish kronor per month.
      While I don't want to compare against the USD (since it's fluctuating rather wildly atm), 225 SEK will get me roughly four Big Mac meals.

    13. Re:Rest of the world by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I have an 8Mbps/1Mbps ADSL connection to the Internet here in Paris.

      My friends make fun of me.

      Wow, how can I get friends as cool as that?

    14. Re:Rest of the world by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      In Ontario (Canada), using Rogers, you can get 6 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up for $60-70 a month. Seriously, we suck. I get 3 Mbps service for $20 instead, because I don't like to be gouged by the evil empire known as Rogers.

    15. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. The French have Pwned us. Although, in this case, I think we need a new word, something with a little more oomph.

      Hmm...

      PWNZORED? CatastroPwned? Thermonuclear Pwnage?

      My coiner has broke.

    16. Re:Rest of the world by encoderer · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that's in Metric. Convert it to Imperial and France = USA.

      Trust me, I know. Last time I was in France I bragged about my 9cm cock. Women wouldn't touch me!

    17. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, how can I get friends as cool as that?

      Maintain a /. journal with comments enabled.

    18. Re:Rest of the world by Earered · · Score: 1

      We still get overpricing on mobile phone (the 3 major providers seems to be in illegal agreement over pricing, hence 10 cents by sent SMS).

      Presure seems to come from unlimited 3G (once one dare to use VoIP on mobile phone, we'll probably have unlimited mobile phone/mobile internet/mobile TV/mobile VOD on 3G plus 100Mb/s (up and down) when wired for 30 or 45â per month), though, while the majority of the population will be covered (France has a tad higher population per square kilometer than the US, so it's economicaly more feasible), rural area won't be that lucky (though wimax might help here).

    19. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Teksavvy instead.

    20. Re:Rest of the world by billcopc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya that's what irks me about all uplinks... 1mbit would have been plenty in the 90's, but this is the age of P2P and VPN and telework. It's real f'ing annoying to have to wait 2 hours just to transfer a big document between my home and office PCs.

      If only I could run an ethernet cable to the local exchange down the street :P How hard could it possibly be ?

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    21. Re:Rest of the world by jabithew · · Score: 1

      More or less the same here in London, at £18 a month, unlimited and unshaped. (www.bethere.co.uk)

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    22. Re:Rest of the world by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      Hong Kong

      1Gbps ~ 215 USD per month
      200Mbps ~ 90 USD per month
      100Mbps ~ 35 USD per month

      (USD prices are converted from the quoted Hong Kong dollar amount rounded to the nearest 5 dollar)

    23. Re:Rest of the world by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yes but those are Canadian dollars.

      I do have to fine you. That will be a thousand dollars Canadian, or 10 American dollars if you prefer.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    24. Re:Rest of the world by topham · · Score: 1

      I can get 25Mbps for that kind of price! (Shaw / Manitoba).

      Rogers is evil.

    25. Re:Rest of the world by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      Pwnergy.
      Pwnergetic.
      Pwnagement.
      Senior Pwnagement.
      General Pwnager.
      Pwnaging Director.
      Pwnership.
      Empwnerment.
      High pwnage-added services.
      Bleeding edge pwnonology.
      Where do you want to pwn today?
      To pwn the world's information.
      Pwn different.

    26. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I could do without the unlimited taxes.

    27. Re:Rest of the world by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Does anyone have comparable statistics for Europe and the relevant parts of Asia?

      I live in Finland, in the countryside (20km from a town, the nearest city of more than 100,000 people is about 300km away). We get a fiber "triple-play" with 20Mbps down, 2Mbps up, IP TV, and IP Telephone for euro55 per month. For an extra euro20, the data access can be upgraded to 100Mbps down, 10Mbps up.

      --
      Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
    28. Re:Rest of the world by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      It's the same in Sweden, 24 Mbps is the usual max downstream for ADSL for about 350 SEK (35 EUR) (though lower speeds are available, obiously), and some places have 100 Mbps fiber (including to my apartment, 100/100 for about 30 EUR)

    29. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, who needs the gold standard when you have the Big Mac standard?

    30. Re:Rest of the world by CharlieHedlin · · Score: 1

      I pay exactly 60 USD for 22 mbps in Texas. The US isn't being left behind, my inlaws just don't care to spend more than 20 USD and drive the median down.

      No phone though, but that would open the bill up to ridiculous taxes in addition of the standard 8% sales tax.

    31. Re:Rest of the world by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      I do, hence the $20 for 3Mbps DSL. I'm quite happy with it - I can't download huge files in an instant, but it suffices for surfing, and for $20 I can't really lose.

      Proudly Rogers-free for 1.5 years and counting :)

    32. Re:Rest of the world by shani · · Score: 1

      In the Netherlands it is €15 a month for 20 MB down and 1.5 MB up via DSL. At least in theory: I am currently getting about 12 MB down and 1 MB up.

      Cable Internet access is quite expensive. Hey, it's a monopoly.

      They have fiber to the home, but it is not in my neighborhood yet. This €25 a month for 10 MB, €30 a month for 20 MB, and €50 for 50 MB. These are symmetric - quite nice if you want to upload photos (for example).

      You can also get wireless Internet from a mobile phone provider. This is €45 a month for 1.5 MB download that works everywhere in the country (I don't know about upload speed).

    33. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >It's real f'ing annoying to have to wait 2 hours just to transfer a big document between my home and office PCs.

      1. If it's a Word doc, or any Office-created file, compress it on the near side before transfer. The small aggravation in doing so will more than pay for itself in time savings from the transfer, since Office files tend to be highly compressible.

      You could even automate it :)

      2. If you're transfering it via Windows networking (or Samba, etc.) over a VPN, consider using FTP to avoid the SMB protocol overhead. Yes, this means you'd have to set up an FTP server on your office PC(s) (only one, really, if you do it right), but FileZilla Server is free for Windows PCs.

      3. Finally, why transfer them at all? Set up VNC, etc., and work on the file natively from home - the only things that go across the wire then are the video buffer contents (generally sent as deltas once the initial transfer is done), mouse movements/clicks and keystrokes.

      HTH. HAND.

    34. Re:Rest of the world by wimg · · Score: 1

      Belgium :
      - Cable : 20Mbps down / 1Mbps up
      - ADSL2+ : 24Mbps down / 3Mbps up
      - VDSL2 : 17Mbps down / 400Kbps up

      All limited ofcourse, because the networks could handle a lot more, but the 2 incumbant providers refuse to open the network further.

      We also have WiMax, but it's slow and unstable according to a few users I know... and P2P is prohibited on WiMax...

    35. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      15 countries have faster rates then the USA; the link is below.

      In Japan they have had 100 MB up and downstream (yes that is 100 MB / 100 MB) for over 3 years now. OH yes, they pay $22 per month for 100 MB / 100 MB.

      We could have had it here if the government would have done here in the USA what Japan did to NTT. I am not normally for government intervention, however when businesses refuse to invest in their infrastructure and the consumer has NO OTHER OPTIONS, then I am all for government intervening. Nothing else will work.

      LOL, they took down the Washington Post article, July 29, 2008 by Blaine Harden; someone must not have liked that they were advertising that Comcast, Time Warner and other USA ISPs suck... Yo

      Check this link out:
      http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0711/

      Congress failed Americans by not passing the 1996 telecommunications law. That was the USA's equivalent of what Japan got in June 2003.

      The next big battle: Net Neutrality; check the wording carefully, chances are if Comcast and Time Warner are for it, it is anti consumer....read, understand and let your politicians know how you feel.

    36. Re:Rest of the world by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Didn't help, as I've hacking since I was in diapers. I already do what I can to maximize the limited bandwidth, what I'm saying is there is a distinct need for greater bandwidth, and I know first-hand that it could be easily achieved, were it not for silly old-world business practices that are effectively stalling technological progress. I'm basically pissed off that the world is being shackled to the past over a bunch of made-up numbers on a balance sheet.

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  3. Only 6.8Mbps? by adnonsense · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live on the East Coast (of Japan) and have a 100Mbps-rated optical fibre connection. Though the fastest I've got out of it is a piddling 87Mbps.

    Muahaha.

    1. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the UK, broadband speeds are typically in the 8-24Mb/s range. I first visited the USA around a decade ago, and Internet speeds I saw advertised back then were much faster than anything I could get back home (where ISDN at 128Kb/s was the fastest and was incredibly expensive).

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    2. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Informative

      They do say median. Some areas, like rural sections, probably bring that down. And yes, there are a bunch of those areas on the east coast (though not as much as the mid-west).

      Here in NJ (east coast US) we have Verizon Fiber as an option. I'm personally on a 20Mbit connection and I think they go up to 50Mbit for consumer-level. There might be faster offerings for consumers but 20 is fast enough for me.

    3. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by fiordhraoi · · Score: 1

      Japan, Delaware and Rhode Island (where I live, incidentally) share something in common: they have a relatively dense population over a relatively small area. That makes building an infrastructure a more reasonable task. I did an internship at a company called OSHEAN, which handled a lot of higher education/internet2 stuff a few years ago. They had bought up some dark fiber and were hooking most of the state universities to it. The organizational difficulty between intra-state stuff and inter-state stuff once once things started moving out of the state and up into Massachusetts was dramatic.

    4. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by whtmarker · · Score: 4, Informative

      I live on the East Coast (of Japan) and have a 100Mbps-rated optical fibre connection. Though the fastest I've got out of it is a piddling 87Mbps.

      Muahaha.

      We are talking median speed. If you and your 5 neighbors have speeds of 1,1,2,3 and 87 your median speed is 2Mbps.

    5. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

      I think I speak for all of the US when I say that I hate you. :-p Seriously though, that's about 1 hr 20 minutes full throttle on my DSL which is the fastest 2 way connection in my area (1.5 /384 or I could get 3m/56k cable and tie up a phoneline). Pretty sad considering I'm in a fairly populous area. PA sucks for broadband unless you live next to a Verizon building.

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    6. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by nbvb · · Score: 1

      True enough ... I live in Cablevision territory (NJ also), and have a 30mbps downstream/5mbps upstream plan for $44.90/month. Can't beat that with a stick.

    7. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by adnonsense · · Score: 1

      Well until recently I had a 1Mbps DSL which was plenty enough for my needs, but moving to a new place I found it had residential optical fiber, which costs about the same (not sure of the exact details, the first 5 months are free, but I think it works out to about US$40 a month). And if it's any consolation, trans-Pacific connections aren't exactly fast (300Kb / sec on average) so it's not like I'm maxing out the tube all the time.

    8. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Dave+Tucker+Online · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What do you do with that bandwidth? I have 15Mbps and can't seem to make use of it. Every once in a while I download an ISO or something, and it is helpful then. But I just don't do it often enough to care if it takes 1 minute or 5.

    9. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by adnonsense · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good question, I've only had it a week, and my router only does 54Mbps anyway... I can get good quality streaming video (probably not MPAA approved) from South Korea though, and there is lots of streaming content (TV, VOD) available for an extra fee (kind of like cable in reverse).

    10. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Lucky SOBs.

      I live in Los Angeles, and I get 768Kb. Cable would be about 4Mb.

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    11. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'm not really sure why this was warranting front page space. It's sort of one of those newsflash: people in the developed world have easy access to phones sort of posts.

      Of course the east coast is going to have faster service than most of the rest of the country. There's a much higher population density in New England in particular, as well as much more money than most of the rest of the country.

      It would be shocking if that weren't the case.

      Around here, when I try to enter my address into Verizon's service locater, it doesn't even put the address in the right portion of the city. Like I'm going to trust a corporation that hasn't even managed to master the art of maps to give me broadband of any quality.

    12. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by vally_manea · · Score: 1

      That's nothing, I live in Eastern Europe(the communist kind) and the lowest option for broadband here is 10Mbps and is dirt cheap as well...

    13. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by arcade · · Score: 1

      With that kind of bandwidth you can start using the internet as your local network. It means you can put your nice little server in a nice colo, and use that from home. Or from your friends house - and not notice it very much that it isn't local.

      Or you can have your server at home, and when at your friends place, you just mount your homedir from your home-box straight into the filesystem of your friends box - and play, say the divx that's located in your homedir on your home-box. On his computer.

      Or, say that you are a graphics person and work from home. You're pulling up the 200MB .raw-format picture from your works server. You'd rather have it pull up as if you were working from your workplace - and not be less efficient when at home. .. and so forth

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    14. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about seeding hentai torrents?

    15. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8 to 24mb/s range? What country are you talking about? Vast majority of Britain can get UPTO 8mb/s as it's all IPStream from BT Wholesale, LLU providers CAN provide ADSL2 but to the best of my knowledge there are only 2 providers in the UK currently offering this, and they advertise speeds of up to 20mb/s in order to avoid complaints to the ASA. Britain's telecommunications infrastructure is a mess, my phone line is 6km long and 2km of that is aluminium because some bright spark decided that it would be cheaper to maintain than copper. As such the top speed I regularly get on broadband is 1.2mb/s and I count myself very lucky to get that as 3 doors down they can't get broadband at all. A recent survey of broadband speeds (forget the BBC article but fairly sure any idiot with Google could find it if they really wanted to) showed that very few people were getting the advertised speeds of 8mb/s. As such sorry but your post is complete and utter tosh.

    16. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Trashman · · Score: 1

      Fiber is not an option everywhere in NJ (please be more precise.) Here in West Fort Lee (Time Warner land,) Verizon will happily sell me (High Speed DSL) but Fios has been "coming soon" for over 3 years. Meanwhile, most of the towns West of me have it.

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    17. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by fan+of+lem · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I am in Hong Kong and have a 30Mbps DSL subscription. Using the Speakeasy speed test site, I was able to get an average of about 5Mbps download and 1Mbps upload speed. This is testing against US sites (LA, SF, Chicago, NY, Dallas).

    18. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Unless they have a fiber optic connection or DOCSIS3 (doubtful) then the maximum upstream is 2Mbit, not 5.

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    19. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Yes - behind New Jersey, Rhode Island is the second most densely populated state in the country.

      But it also has basically ONE ISP serving the state - Cox Communications. DSL is available to only a very small number of communities, and while Verizon is supposedly rolling out FIOS, they started with a town far from the main city areas and haven't expanded the service at all.

      So, because most people can only choose Cox, and their "normal" speed is 5Mbit, it makes sense that RI would rank high. There's no cheapo cheap cheap DSL available everywhere with only 1Mbit service.

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    20. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Cormacus · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity . . . what do you DO with that kind of pipe?

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    21. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Two words: streaming media. For many of us, the Internet is our substitute for cable TV. Now, for me, my 1Mbps is perfectly adequate for the network TV, Hulu, and Netflix streams I watch. But if you want high-definition content, you need more bandwidth.

      Also, I'm guessing you don't share your connection. Neither do I, but I used to, and there were issues with my hogging the bandwidth. (Note: wget's default options are not suitable for big downloads on shared DSL connections.) If you have, say, 4 people surfing YouTube, downloading torrents, watching TV reruns, and snagging the odd uberfile from work, you need a lot more bandwidth. Maybe not as much as you have, but enough to strain any service that's available where I live.

    22. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

      And until recently I was running 56k at about blazing 5kbs downloads pretty consistently. And 300kb is about 3x of what I pull down at, so no, it isn't really :-p. On a positive note I've heard FIOS is 2 blocks down, but who knows how many years it will take for it to make it to my house. I guess this is the curse of living in a country with low average population density.

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    23. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      Download porn.

    24. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also live in a country that is no larger than the state of California.

    25. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Jay+L · · Score: 1

      We are talking median speed. If you and your 5 neighbors have speeds of 1,1,2,3 and 87 your median speed is 2Mbps.

      Thus my brilliant scheme: I will increase my median speed, by paying for my neighbors to get faster connections!

      Muahaha! Muahahaha! Mua... ::ahem:: muh...

    26. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Two great points in this subthread... first, I may have to turn in my nerd badge, because I don't even know what speed I've got, all I know is that, with five computers, two tivos, and Wii all accessing my connection, it's fast enough to make me happy.

      Second, many of these countries are really unfair comparisons; most European countries are the size of a single U.S. state. The comparison with Canada is lot more fair, IMO.

      The question, in my opinion, isn't how fast, but if enough "average" people are getting the speed they need. I think we need to stop whining about "only" getting 1 or 2Mb/s when some people still have no option but dial-up or expensive and laggy satellite.

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    27. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by clone53421 · · Score: 1
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    28. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6Km is pretty close to the viable limit for ADSL so the speed you are getting is quite reasonable.
      Also, be thankful that the phone line is made from an Aluminum alloy. Given the high price of copper and the huge amounts that is being stolen these days, you can count yourself lucky.
      The East coast Railway line had literally 100's of meters f cable stolen recently. The thieves are starting to target BT Phone lines as well.
      I agree that the Infrastructure needs lots of upgrading. This is happening in other countries where the phone company is still state owned. Here in blighty, the ROCI on putting fiber from the exchange to to the street distribution cabinets is not a pretty sight. Its no wonder that BT are loathe to roll it out over the whole country.
      And Cable? That pile of steaming dog poo called Virgin Media throttle my neighbors connection down to 1.2-1.5 Mbits from 10:00am to around 23:00 every day.
      That is clearly not a service that lives up to the advertising hype. As of 16:00BST today, it was 740Kbits/sec.

    29. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      No no - with that kind of speed you don't download porn - you SERVER porn!

    30. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by nbvb · · Score: 1

      Incorrect.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS

      DOCSIS Upstream is 27mbps.

      I just ran a Speedtest at www.speedtest.net if you don't believe me: http://www.speedtest.net/result/313675847.png

    31. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the heart of Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale) and I can _barely_ get DSL @ 1.5M/384K bps for $57/mo (Sonic.net). That, or give more money to Comcast (no thanks).

      Jos

    32. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      But it also has basically ONE ISP serving the state - Cox Communications

      Which is referred to by the locals as Suck My Cox Communications.

    33. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over here in Holland right now I have 24 Mbit DSL. That is considered relatively mainstream widely available. Major tv cable companies provide the same speed.

      The tvcable companies are expected to announce 60 Mbit prescriptions in Q3 2008 and 100+ Mbit in 2009, while local governments are creating fibre optic networks all across the country also providing 100+ Mbits. /giggle

      Now I can finally IRC/MSN in realtime!

    34. Re:Only 6.8Mbps? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Im gonna strangle you now.

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  4. cromulescent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    elboe smork

  5. flawed test by spectrokid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This test is the same like those websites where you can test your download speed. They are all flawed in that they don't take your subscription into account. If you have somebody who subscribed for a cheapass 512/512 ADSL, he pulls the average down. Those tests should be limited to those who pay for "all you can get". Otherwise it tells more about a states economical position then about their internet access.

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    1. Re:flawed test by Respawner · · Score: 1

      in that case, let's only count people who can afford 1GBps leased lines

    2. Re:flawed test by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are all flawed in that they don't take your subscription into account.

      It depends who's using the list. If I'm designing web pages, I want to know what people in my target demographic HAVE, not what they can get. If it's a penis size competition, then I question the study's usefulness. Besides, we have the Olympics for that - and China has the biggest gold dick. Though the US has true melting pot of total dicks.

      Interestingly, all of these states are densely populated. From Wikipedia:
      Rhode Island ranked 2
      Delaware ranked 6
      New Jersey ranked 1
      Virginia ranked 14
      Massachusetts ranked 3

      The only think close to an outlier there is Virginia, which is still densely populated over near Washington - which would actually be number 1 if it were a state.

      I guess if I lived in number 4 Connecticut or number 5 Maryland, I'd want to know what was up!

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    3. Re:flawed test by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My comcast connection just did 15.5 Mbit/s on the speedmatters test but it's just the result of comcast's traffic shaping policy. For a sustained transfer, the speed would be half that.

    4. Re:flawed test by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      Those tests should be limited to those who pay for "all you can get". Otherwise it tells more about a states economical position then about their internet access.

      Isn't that kind of the point? Access should be measured by what's affordable, not the super-expensive $2000/month fiber optic connection you COULD get if you could afford it. This isn't a race or a competition, it's a comparison of where broadband speeds are the highest. That's going to include economic conditions.

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    5. Re:flawed test by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Those tests should be limited to those who pay for "all you can get".

      Can you point me to a broadband provider that has an "all you can get" plan? Everywhere I look, the plans are based on some sort of limited max upload/download speed. While some of those are pretty high, there is no "all you can get" plan that I can find.

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    6. Re:flawed test by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Those tests should be limited to those who pay for "all you can get".

      But you can't get "all you can get" anywhere in the US that I know of.

      (Yeah, some ISPs do advertise "unlimited" plans. They lie a lot.)

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    7. Re:flawed test by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I had an 'all you can get' plan with Cox for a few weeks, but then one day someone came to my door wanting to see why my modem was uncapped.

      It is totally possible to accidentally upload the exact payload necessary to lift my 3 meg limit to my cable modem.

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    8. Re:flawed test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not traffic shaping, that's "Powerboost". They are giving you 2-3x your subscribed speed for the first 15 seconds of download.

    9. Re:flawed test by qoncept · · Score: 1

      If "cheapass" 512/512 (which I'd call SDSL, but that's beside the point) is $25 a month and 5mbit is $150, can you blame that guy for bringing down the average? Or is that maybe part of the point of these tests? Or, in my case, 256k SDSL is $75, but I went hardcore and got our small town telephone coop's top of the line 768k for $90 a month (plus $15 for a phone line I wouldn't otherwise have). So I'm doing my part to bring the average up(/down less).

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    10. Re:flawed test by dontPanik · · Score: 1

      I guess if I lived in number 4 Connecticut or number 5 Maryland, I'd want to know what was up!

      I'm going out on a limb here, but my theory is that Maryland isn't as economically well off as the states that did make the list.

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    11. Re:flawed test by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Nah - at least per capita, MD is one of the richest states in the Union. Same with Connecticut.

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    12. Re:flawed test by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      I didn't say *what* shape :)

    13. Re:flawed test by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 1

      I sort of agree, but even as-is I believe you can make the other conclusion as well (that US broadband speeds are severely lagging other countries' speeds).

      If the median speed in Japan is 100Mbps, that means that the average person in Japan can afford 100Mbps broadband access. That either means that the average person in Japan is wealthier than the average person in the US to be able to afford such speeds (possible or even likely), but I can't imagine they are *that* much wealthier. The other thing it could tell us is that the average person in Japan can afford to pay for such speeds because they are cheap enough for the average person. I think this is just as likely as the first conclusion, maybe even moreso.

    14. Re:flawed test by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Well, it IS traffic shaping, but I understand what you're telling him: He's not LOSING anything by their system, he's actually GAINing a big boost for the first few moments.

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    15. Re:flawed test by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      The closest I can get is a Cox cablemodem with a 20/2 for $60/mo. It's not bad. 20Mbit is as much as I need (for awhile) and the 2Mbit is as fast as DOCSIS2 can do.

      Cox doesn't throttle or limit you in any way (at least in Rhode Island.) I sometimes download many, many gigabytes (sometimes over 100) in a month and never had a problem.

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    16. Re:flawed test by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      No, Maryland is VERY well off financially.

      We just elect assholes as our leaders.

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    17. Re:flawed test by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      All you can get is probably commercial fiber. I think this is a fair test. Ignoring economics leads to unrepresentative samples. For instance I have a 1.5mbps via AT&T for 28 dollars in Chicago. Thats the fastest speed i can get for DSL because of my distance from the CO. The next step up for me is Comcast cable which is 4mbps for 60 something dollars. I'm not paying that much for just 4mbps. I'd consider it for a 10 or 15 meg line. I dont see the value in paying so much more for downloads that are only slightly faster than 2x my current speed.

      Now if you wanted to see broadband peentration in Chicago, would you rather know that I and all my neighbors are on AT&T because of prices or that we could all move up to a 4 or 6 meg line, but choose not to. Heck, we could probably pool our money and split some fiber if we really wanted.

    18. Re:flawed test by Nutria · · Score: 1

      They are giving you 2-3x your subscribed speed for the first 15 seconds of download.

      So that's what that means...

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    19. Re:flawed test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am in MD, I have a 24 Mbit FiOS connection and am quite happy with it.

    20. Re:flawed test by Life+Liberty+Freedom · · Score: 1
      The 1.5M RR lite (but not RR Lite 768) plan works well for me. Mostly e-mail, browse news, some online videos and flash games. Everyonce in a while I'll download a linux distro and it will be slow, but I don't do it often.

      Std Road Runner rates w/o tv coverage for my area.

      768k 24.95
      1.5M 29.95
      5M 49.95
      8M 59.95

      The 1.5 plan is going up $5 next month, so I'm undecided now if I want to pay $35 for 1.5M or spend another 15 a month for faster.

    21. Re:flawed test by jabithew · · Score: 1

      But this way is far more sensible as it automatically weights it for cost and affordability (hell, if you had the cash you could pay for fibre from you to your isp, but that's not exactly a reasonable demand to answer a test).

      Besides, those who are on "cheapass" connections won't be as interested in answering this survey anyway.

      I think it's more interesting and relevant to see what real people are experiencing as a service from their ISP as opposed to some theoretical maximum.

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    22. Re:flawed test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course Washington would be number 1 if it were a state, since the city covers the entire District of Colombia. That doesn't mean Washington is particularly dense as urban areas go. Every other state has some rural areas to bring the population density down.

    23. Re:flawed test by jc42 · · Score: 1

      This test is the same like those websites where you can test your download speed. They are all flawed in that they don't take your subscription into account.

      They're also flawed if they test only the speed from your ISPs servers. Thus, our current service (RCN) is 5MB/s down and 0.7MB/s up. We have a home web server (which we both use for testing work stuff). If we're communicating with a colleague's site with the same service, the speed is a max of 0.7MB/s in both directions, and usually less. The ISP would of course list us as having 5MB/s service. But in each transfer, one is "up" and one is "down", and your actual speed is the minimum of those two speeds (or less).

      OTOH, I guess an "up" limit that low pretty has a little bit of a protective effect against slashdotting. Folks give up pretty fast when they get nothing at all from your site.

      (And we could get faster "down" speed from Verizon's FIOS, but the last I checked, they forbid any kind of server, so we couldn't use our home machines for web testing like we do. When I've asked the constant stream of Verizon sales folks about this, they have no idea what I'm talking about, or even what a "web server" or "email server" might be. Those who know those terms don't understand what HIPAA stands for or why one of us can't legally store work-related files on Verizon's servers. ;-)

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    24. Re:flawed test by fermion · · Score: 1
      With respect to Virginia, it might have more to do with who lives there rather than how densely they live. One might think that there is quite a bit bandwidth going into AOL and that makes it easy to offer elsewhere. There is also a question of the kind of bandwidth Arlington has as compared to the rest of the state.

      Using either criteria, it is a mystery why Delaware is not on the list.

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    25. Re:flawed test by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine how well my hosting company would do with a few of those unlimibytes. Mmm... Unlimited disk and bandwidth? That'd be "all you can get" per my definition. From the home? Wow... If I could get unlimited broadband I would need unlimited disk too. I'd have me a local cache of Wikipedia.

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    26. Re:flawed test by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      If you RTFA you'll see that they are reporting MEDIAN bitrates. The people on the extremes have less influence over this number than the MEAN bitrate.

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    27. Re:flawed test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Connecticut's not that bad but the report uses median speed and not mean. As an earlier posters says: If your samples are 768k, 1.5M, and 20M, The speeds of my mom's DSL, my sister's DSL, and my cable connection then the median is 1.5Mbps. Obviously that's a flawed sample but using the mean rather than the median guarantees that their number is more reflective of ADSL which is capped at 3.5Mbps than cable. Cable internet speeds in CT run from 6.0~30 Mbps with at least two providers running uncorked DOCSIS 2.0 networks - e.g. a 30Mbps top speed. Comcast is running uncorked cable in New Haven County for no extra charge. Cablevision is running uncorked DOCSIS 2.0 for a $15.00 surcharge under the "Boost service".

      If click through the article to the actual test you find that it was sponsored by the Communications Workers of America. This is the union for the lineman that are running cable for your local phone company. Methinks that their campaign is more about job security than the best interests of John Q. Public. Thus they benefit from under reporting the network speed.

      The question shouldn't be what's the average internet speed in America. It should be what internet speeds are available to Americans as a function of population density and monthly cost.

    28. Re:flawed test by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I could get unlimited broadband I would need unlimited disk too. I'd have me a local cache of Wikipedia.

      Heh. Actually, those are starting to appear, though probably not with all of wikipedia. It seems that one of the things the OLPC gang is doing is providing local caches of good-sized chunks of wikipedia, whatever their "field consultants" (local teachers) feel might be of interest to their kids and is available in the local language. Someone mentioned a 350MB Spanish subset, compressed to about 100MB. Of course, it would typically be installed on the local central server, to make it quickly available to all the kids. It seems that specialized single-language caches like that are now quite practical, even in the major languages with lots of wikipedia articles. And my immediate thought was that some of the local adults might well like to have a somewhat larger wikipedia cache, including most of the technical stuff in their language.

      Of course, one of the challenges the OLPC project has is finding good translators for their core UI stuff, as well as for their extracts from wikipedia. Do you know anyone fluent in Quechua or Aymara who might like to volunteer?

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    29. Re:flawed test by jackspenn · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we should just rate Internet bandwidth by Megabits per dollar instead of Megabits per second to see what parts of the country are best for highspeed. I have been suggesting the same for cars rating them on miles per dollar versus miles per gallon. I have a friend with a modified plug-in that costs $7000 more then my same car in gas, he will say he gets infinity miles per gallon, when in truth they need to use miles per dollar with (total miles driven) / ($7000 + total cost of electric used in charging car) compared to the same model in standard gas engine using (total miles driven) / (Cost spent on gas) to see where the break even and savings come in. If you have to fix items unique to one type like say oil pan on standard car or batteries on electric, those should be added into the price. In fact to be fair every cost should be added into the total cost. OK so I went on a tangent, but I am not an intentional troll, more of an accidental one.

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    30. Re:flawed test by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm American. I don't have any cultured friends who speak more than French and/or Spanish. Hell, I'm an American. I aint got no culture. ;)

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    31. Re:flawed test by shermo · · Score: 1

      Eh? I've always noticed this when downloading things, but thought it was my imagination.

      Is there a way to harness this? Trick your ISP into thinking you're downloading a new thing and always get that first 15 seconds higher speed.

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    32. Re:flawed test by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to comment on that with this link: Maryland is again the richest state in the nation

  6. Hmm... by sesshomaru · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know who I thank for that? Hank Scorpio!

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  7. Competition by thesaint05 · · Score: 1

    In Northern VA, Cox just upped my speed from 5 Mbps down/2 Mbps up to 10/2, and increased cost by about $2/month. This of course is to stave off the FIOS menace which also upped their speeds and rates by a similar amount. Nevermind that I don't have access to FIOS, they still did it for everybody else that does.

    Might the higher speeds on the East Coast be because our cities are closer together allowing for more lines, thereby allowing for more competition? From Richmond to Boston are several large and major cities (Richmond, DC, Baltimore, Wilmington, Philly, Newark, NYC and Boston) in comparatively close proximity.

    1. Re:Competition by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It's mostly due to competition. Cherry picking the population centers is how you get the most customers per mile of cable. That's why you can get high speeds in cities (and new 'burbs), but the rural towns just 100 to 200 miles out are still on dialup. The more they try and consolidate on pop centers, the higher the speeds go. Sometimes it's just the threat of competition that ups speeds. Where I am, Comcast doubled everybody's speed when Verizon was considering wiring for FIOS. Then Verizon decided to skip us. Not that it mattered. Comcast had about a 85% uptime on the service I had, and their lowest tier (3.0/768) was four times the price of Verizons basic DSL (768/128). I need always on more than I need expensive, fast-except-during-peak-times internet so I'm still with Verizon.

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    2. Re:Competition by yuna49 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it has more to do with which carriers are dominant in different regions.

      Verizon is the successor to two of the regional operating companies spun off after the 1984 AT&T divestiture, Bell Atlantic, which covered the mid-Atlantic region, and NYNEX, which merged New England Telephone and New York Telephone. That means the east coast (north of Virginia) has much more FiOS penetration than the rest of the US.

      Comcast also has a large presence in the northeast. Regardless of your opinion of their policies, Comcast has offered cable internet service for many years now.

      So I suspect the higher speeds on the east coast have more to do with which providers serve these areas than anything else.

      The cited study, by the Communication Workers of America, is based on tests taken by people who visited their web site the chance to measure their speeds. Well, I don't know about you, but I've never visited the CWA site, but I bet a lot of CWA members do, and I bet most of them have pretty high-speed connections. Studies like this with self-selected respondents have only minimal "external validity" since the results aren't based on random sampling methods. ("External validity" concerns whether the results of a study can be generalized to some larger universe of interest. In the case of the CWA study, they cannot.)

    3. Re:Competition by KGIII · · Score: 1

      85% uptime? That's like 54 days out of the year that you couldn't access the internet. In very rural Maine where we have giant snow storms, trees falling on lines constantly, crazy men with backhoes, and drunk drivers constantly ramming the roads I'm guessing I get somewhere close to the 99% uptime range. Probably closer to 99.99% really.

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    4. Re:Competition by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I don't surf at home too much; maybe 10-12 evenings/days a month. It was not uncommon to have an outage every month, and often I'd have two, or at least an extended one which covered two sessions. For me, that's 15% down. Sure, it may have been up for 700 out of the 720 hours a month, but uptime for me is measured by the amount I get to use it when I want to use it. I had outages as long as 10 days waiting for service to troubleshoot a problem. Adelphia (which has become Comcast) really was amazingly poor.

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  8. Duh by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    East Coast. Rhode Island (6.8Mbps) and Delaware (6.7Mbps) have the fastest, and nearly triple the national median download speed of 2.3Mbps. Rounding out the Top 5 states are New Jersey (5.8Mbps), Virginia (5Mbps) and Massachusetts (4.6Mbps).

    The states with the slowest median download speeds primarily are located in the Midwestern or Western regions of the United States, including Idaho (1.3Mbps), Wyoming (1.3Mbps), Montana (1.3Mbps) and North Dakota (1.2Mbps); Alaska had the slowest download speed (0.8Mbps). I


    Is anyone surprised that small, densely populated states have higher download speeds than large, sparsely populated ones? It's the same argument that comes up every time worldwide broadband speeds are discussed: small and dense = easier to wire.

    -Grey

    1. Re:Duh by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

      I was surprised to see Virgina on the list for just that reason. Sure there are some densely urban places in Virgina, but there's a lot of rural area there, too.

      But I agree that this reads like another report by "Captain Obvious"

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    2. Re:Duh by nine-times · · Score: 1

      small and dense = easier to wire.

      Apparently there's an optimum smallness and density. Verizon seems to be putting FiOS into the suburbs surrounding major cities faster than into the major cities themselves.

    3. Re:Duh by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because major cities have poor people in them who can't afford FiOS, whereas suburbs are comparatively rich.

    4. Re:Duh by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Might it also be at least partly due to the expectation that the people living in suburbs of a major city probably have a larger disposable income than the people living in the crowded urban core?

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    5. Re:Duh by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      That is partly because it is a lot more expensive to run cable of any kind where almost everything is paved over (streets, sidewalks, buildings, parking lots) versus an area where all you have to do is dig a trench, put your cable/conduit in, fill the trench back up.
      Ok, yeah there are places where you have to dig up part of the street in the suburbs, but not for the whole length of cable you are putting in.

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    6. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be insightful if recent studies weren't showing that large, densely populated cities are seeing an influx of rich people. All of the poor people are moving to the suburbs or out of the area altogether.

    7. Re:Duh by chill · · Score: 1

      Median is the key word.

      I lived for a couple years in Wardner, ID, population 420. The entire Silver Valley only had a population of about 4,500 or so. We're 40+ miles from the nearest "city", with some big mountains in the way. And most of the Valley population had cable modems with 6 Mbps down, 768 Kbps up. Middle of nowhere Idaho and podunk towns of 200 - 1,500 had good cable modem access.

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    8. Re:Duh by TerminalOldFart · · Score: 1

      There's a simple answer to why western, sparsely populated states have slow Internet speeds. The ISP's haven't upgraded their infrastructure. Last I checked, we're still all using protected twisted pair wiring (That's barbed wire to you lucky folks who use lectricity for lights instead of powering that fence to keep our critters in.)

    9. Re:Duh by coryking · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps it just costs 10x more per mile to deploy any kind of utility/road/anything in a city. You've got to deal with permiting, zoning, mitigation, anti-development hippies, NIMN's (not in my neighborhood), parked cars to tow, drunk bums passed out on your construction site, utility relocation, you name it and you have to pay for it.

      It is easy to do anything in the suburbs. No zoning, less red-tape, less density, less 100 year old wood stave pipes, whatever.

      Poverty has nothing to do with it. If anything, there are probably more affluent 20-something condo owners living in a city who would jump all over FiOS then there are suburban house dwellers.

    10. Re:Duh by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Northern Virginia drives it, I'm sure. We're pretty densely populated and well connected up here. Real Virginia is like going to a different country.

    11. Re:Duh by westlake · · Score: 1
      Verizon seems to be putting FiOS into the suburbs surrounding major cities faster than into the major cities themselves.
      .

      You need to remember as well that an eastern city can have an underground infrastructure that dates back to 1845 - or earlier. You never know what you are going to find when you start digging. It is always going to be a slower, more complex, and more dangerous job then trenching a cable in the suburbs.

    12. Re:Duh by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I get that. My understanding is that it's also harder to get the whole thing approved in someplace like NYC. My point is just that, due to practical issues, they aren't deploying first in the most densely populated areas.

    13. Re:Duh by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      I've driven to visit my sister a few times, which is basically NYC to Atlanta. I take 95 South until it splits into 95/85, and then 85 to Atlanta. I usually end up timing it so that I get on 85 sometime between 1-3AM. While I'm in that part of Virginia, I get to a point where I stop believing that other people exist. The first time I made the trip I was instructed to get gas somewhere near Richmond as it would be a while before I had another chance.

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    14. Re:Duh by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

      My grandmother lived in Norfolk, and a lot of aunts and uncles in Virgina Beach. I used to drive up from Ft. Bragg in N.C when I was stationed there and a lot (most) of the drive was by way of rural areas. Which made me wonder...

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  9. Small States by whtmarker · · Score: 1

    Look, all of the states with fast median download connections are small states. Its way easier to wire up a small state especially if their demographics have most people living in urban areas.

    Imagine trying to provide optimum connections to an entire state like Alaska or Texas. The more rural areas you have the more the median download speed for that state will take a hit (because its cheaper to throw in high speed to an urban area than 1000 small towns).

  10. check this out: by amnezick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Romania UPC gives 20mbps for ~30$/mo ... and it is considered a developing country.

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    1. Re:check this out: by ActionDesignStudios · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well, it's too bad that if the planet Earth had an asshole -- it would be Romania. I wouldn't move there if you gave me 1gbps for $30/mo.

    2. Re:check this out: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, apparently they're still using monospaced fonts there.

  11. 6.6 Mbps average? Is that broadband? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprising data. Broadband has apparently never got to the US?

    What about EU countries where 10/20Mbps ADSL2 (peak, not average) are the norm, and where 95% of the territory is covered

    What about fiber providers, again in EU, who easily surpass the 20Mbps?

    Seen the amount os sp*m and heavy flash websites are often tailored to America's final users, I wonder what will happen to the world when american broadband average speeds will surpass the 6Mbps.

    1. Re:6.6 Mbps average? Is that broadband? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I live in Tax^H^H^HMassachusetts (USA) and get approximately 19/3.5 (19mbps down, 3.5mbps up) courtesy of Comcast (according to speedtest.net).

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  12. I want to break free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live: 1 Mbit (divided asymmetrically into up- and downstream)
    I am really looking forward to moving away from home to the town of my university. (Which, btw, has more than 200 inhabitants.)

  13. Fastest? What? by dauthur · · Score: 1

    Eh, I know for a fact that no matter where I go in Massachusetts, standard cable or DSL is still abysmally slow. I'm not about to pay the price for "premium" service though, which is still actually slower than one can get in just Greenwich, Connecticut.

  14. so far behind by sam_paris · · Score: 4, Informative

    Two years ago, when I lived in Paris, I got 20Mbit. Now I live in New York and get more like 4Mbit.

    Yep, the world's richest country is years behind in technology infrastructure..

    1. Re:so far behind by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the population density, idiot! It's easier for France to have better broadband because the people are all close together! Japan is even faster because everyone in Japan lives in Tokyo which has a really big population density! You can't compare Paris to somewhere sparsely populated like New York!

      No, wait...

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    2. Re:so far behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are so wrong

      You should be able to surf these links smoothly even on a lousy 4Mbit
      http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/maps/world-top-ten-richest-countries-map.jpg
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    3. Re:so far behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's unfair.

      New York City is a ROTTEN example.

      I once worked in a dot com in a VERY old building. We had DSL, and SHOULD have gotten a very fast connection (this was for our servers AND employees, mind you) but it would randomly slow down to a halt. It was eventually discovered that the wiring within our offices was brand new, and the wiring to the building itself was brand new, BUT...

      The wiring within the building was eighty years old and absolutely worthless! It shorted out all the time! It had to be ripped and replaced!

      Now, we couldn't just do that because the landlord didn't give a shit and wasn't interested.

      And we couldn't run a line down the outside of the building because again, the landlord wasn't having any of it and there were zoning issues.

      Eventually, the situation was resolved but it took a LOT of bitching on our part and a threat to break the lease.

      Now, this is just an example. Remember that New York City is 500 years old, and doesn't invest in its infrastructure as it should. It is also much denser and more crowded than Paris.

      Most of the infrastructure is under the streets, and you can't block 'em off to work on it. Also it costs an ENORMOUS amount of money to fix anything down there. You've got to block off the street, rip it up, make sure you don't break anything or blow yourself up by cutting a natural gas line...

      The "City that never sleeps" is basically fucked. It needs major updates, but can't actually DO them.

      Did you know there are still water pipes down there made of WOOD? Literally, carved out of a tree, like telephone poles with holes in 'em! And clay? My brother in law works for Con Ed, you should HEAR some of the stuff he's told me... Like the utility tunnel whose walls were moving, and when he shined his light on them, millions of cockroaches and rats took off down the tunnel... Literally MILLIONS. Like a living carpet.

      UGH UGH UGH. I'm so glad I don't live there anymore. No offense...

      I think it's a pretty unique situation.

    4. Re:so far behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that New York is not just the city... it is also a very large state. About an hour north of the city I get about 15MB for roughly $30 a month.

    5. Re:so far behind by Aquitaine · · Score: 1

      I live in NYC and have 30Mbits down and 15 up with Optimum Online's 'boost' business class service (+ 5 static IPs) for $70/mo.

      Unfortunately, Time Warner still has most of NYC, and at least a year ago they didn't have anything comparable.

    6. Re:so far behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris

      - Density 24,948/km (2006[1])

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

      - Density 27,147/sq mi (10,482/km)

      Paris is thousands of years old and almost certainly has its fair share of run down buildings. Obviously New York has issues when it comes to providing broadband but population density and age shouldn't be the major ones.

    7. Re:so far behind by Candid88 · · Score: 1

      I hate when companies use the USA's low overall population density as an excuse for low internet speeds. The same goes for our pitiful public transport infastructure etc.

      The USA might have a lower overall population density than Europe or Japan due to our deserts and national parks, but if you only count metropolitan areas, the densities are all pretty similar. Plus here we don't have to worry about problems like delays and expense due to uncovering archeological ruins.

      Yet still they use this petty excuse again and again. "Oh I'm sorry the infastructure isn't as good as other countries despite being 2x the cost, it's got nothing todo with the lack of regulation we lobbied for allowing us to use our monopoly to rip everyone off, it's due to low population density, honest!"

  15. We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by GiovanniZero · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The study obviously wasn't that thorough. We have Fiber in utah that gives you 50 Mbps UP and down for $80/mo. It's a helluva lot cheaper and better than Verizon fios.

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    1. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by iguana · · Score: 1

      Can I come live with you?

      Here in Boise, ID, I can get 20Mbps down via Qwest but it's a piddly 896kbps up. That's *kilo*bits per second. And it costs US$100/mo (before taxes, fees, and the CEO's boat payments).

      Every time my downstream speed goes up, my upstream speed goes down. Went from a 3Mbps/1.5Mbps DSL to 8Mbps/1Mbps cable. Now it's 20Mbps and 896kbps. WTF?

    2. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's basically a configuration decision. Upstream does matter, but for most people they're noticing the downstream more than the upstream.

      My connection here is 1.5mbps up and 768kbps down, and I'm fine with that. Most of the issues I've had with speed on the net were related to my antiquated computer or the particular server rather than my actual connection. It's pretty uncommon for the bottle neck to be my bandwidth, if it's not the first two it's the number of connections in use.

      They definitely could bump up the upstream to be higher, but if I understand this correctly, that bandwidth would come out of the downstream bandwidth. 896kbps is enough for most people.

    3. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by ProlificLurker · · Score: 1

      The study obviously wasn't that thorough. We have Fiber in utah that gives you 50 Mbps UP and down for $80/mo. It's a helluva lot cheaper and better than Verizon fios.

      How many of your wives can torrent at the same time?

    4. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean to say that /.ers can marry in Utah?

    5. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by GiovanniZero · · Score: 1

      Zero, wives aren't allowed to use computers duh!

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    6. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree. Even without counting the fiber here in Utah, you can still get above 6.8mbps through Comcast in many areas. I know this because I get 8 - 10mbps on average for $60/mo. Several family members and friends have the fiber though, which blows this "study" out of the water.

    7. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by ProlificLurker · · Score: 1

      Zero, wives aren't allowed to use computers duh!

      Than you had best get off of it before your husband catches you!

    8. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind cutting a length of fiber and sending it to me? I'm paying just under $50 for 10/1 in Oklahoma.

    9. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by TheGreatWaz00 · · Score: 1

      I live in SE Iowa and we have fiber to the home with 100 Mbps up and down for $65 (includes $15 for mandatory telephone service).

    10. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **Check's post anonymously**

      Where about's in utah?

    11. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by roscolaw · · Score: 0

      *begins looking for jobs in Utah* ;-)

    12. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by GiovanniZero · · Score: 1

      http://www.utopianet.org/ In between SLC and Provo mostly but even provo now has a 50Mbit option through broadweave it's just more expensive.

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    13. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? I've got 32 Mbps in California.

      The study was median speed, not "what some clown on slashdot can get."

    14. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by westlake · · Score: 1
      We have Fiber in utah that gives you 50 Mbps UP and down for $80/mo.
      .

      The question is - where in Utah and who can afford it?
      If it is available only along the narrow high tech corridor of the Silicon Slopes that leaves a lot of people out of the picture.

    15. Re:We have 50 Mbps fiber in Utah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also a helluva lot more expensive than the 100 Mbps up/down you can get for $15 in Japan.

  16. I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by shdowhawk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So far it seems that the fastest AND most affordable internet (combo) here in the states is available in the Cincinnati area (that I've personally seen). It's got 3 major cities within about 1.5 hours, one of the busiest airports in the mid-west (I'm still EST time zone), a few major train rails and highways 70,71 and 75 all very near by. This makes it a prime location for major companies, except that there aren't THAT many (proctor and gamble is here for example).

    I mention this because there aren't too many nerdy types like me out here.. except that they set up the broadband out here to handle major *potential* commercial needs.

    So here I sit paying $50 a month for "20 meg download" (which is literally about 2.4-2.5 megabytes per second at maxed connection). That's the upgraded package. Normally it's $40 for "10 meg download"... but 10$ more for double the connection? Easy choice for me! What is interesting is that my speeds actually can hit that through usenet / bittorrents.

    Just curious, do these speeds at that low of a price exist anywhere else out there for that cheap? I've not yet heard of that elsewhere. I use Insight Broadband. Note: Internet speeds are great, but the commercials and customer service / "pay-by-internet" really really suck.

    1. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live about 70 miles south of Cincinatti and I get about 4MB/s on Time Warner (though we also pay through the nose for it). Before we upgraded twice we had a ~$40 package where we got 1MB/s.

      Insight is terrible. Time Warner is better, but it's still terrible. Unfortunately unless you've got the big dollars to spend on your own trunk line, you're pretty much screwed. The telecom companies gouge us like it's Christmas year round, and we get absolutely nothing for it.

    2. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man I miss Insight... In my market they were just bought out by Comcast... Shudder

    3. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by r1ckt3r · · Score: 1

      I live in Louisville and am also serviced by Insight. I can confirm that the 20mbit service is quite good and I regularly reach that speed on bittorrent. Other than their sometimes dodgy customer service, I've always been quite happy with them.

    4. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by TheGreatWaz00 · · Score: 1

      Fairfield, IA. 100Mbps (up and down) $65/month. And that includes a phone line. They are still installing throughout the town. I would guestimate they have about 50% up and going at them moment. Got my house installed a couple months ago.

    5. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by radish · · Score: 1

      I used to get similar speeds & prices (actually was bumped up to 30mbps at one point) from Cablevision in NJ. Then I moved and am now in a Comcast area - same price, half the speed.

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    6. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by GraffitiKnight · · Score: 1

      I pay around $50 (it might be $55-$60, can't remember) for 20/5 FIOS. I've hit 2.8 megabytes per second on Usenet downloading. For $10-$15 more I can have 20/20, and for $80 more a month I can get 50/20.

    7. Re:I'm curious if anyone beats the Cincinnati Area by Praeluceo · · Score: 1

      Well, We have 20 Mbit symmetrical FiOS. So for $70/mo I can upload files at a full 20 megabits per second, although lately the best I've seen is an upload of 4.5Mbit, so I might be giving Verizon a call if it doesn't pick up sometime soon here. I'm in the process of setting up a server, and nothing in my ToS states that I can't run one, so we'll see about that. Still, not a bad deal really, especially compared to comcast's "We run fibre too" pathetic 5 mbit/768kbit connections they offer around here. Hillsboro, Oregon by the way.

  17. population density and total land area by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Three of the top five are among the smallest states in the Union by total land area. They are mostly densely populated, too.

    Virginia has the extra bonus that it has suburbs of Washington, D.C. and several government installations. The Pentagon is actually not in D.C. (although its postal address says it is), but is in Arlington. The FBI and CIA are headquartered in the state. One of the largest USMC bases is there, along with the DEA and FBI training centers. There's a Federal Reserve Bank. Qimonda has a DRAM fab there, and Genworth Financial is headquartered in the state. Of course it has all kinds of telecom infrastructure.

  18. 6/10th of a mile... by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    I hope the counts includes all the places that the cable and fiber providers that provide 0 Mbps. When we are only stones throw away, all in Maryland.

    IMHO the zeros should be factored in with a large weighting. I would be happy with 1.4 Mbps (t1 speeds) and a low latency.

  19. Duh. by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Al Gore was born in Washington D.C. so obviously the internet is fastest on the east coast. The packets don't have to travel as far to reach him.

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    1. Re:Duh. by San-LC · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good thing I use 802.11gore to connect without wires. Otherwise, I don't know how I would get Internet in New Orleans.

  20. Population Density? by ramk13 · · Score: 1

    It's a lot easier to connect everyone to a network when they aren't spread out as much as they are in many western states.

  21. So it's not just ESPN by Clov · · Score: 1

    Further evidence of the media's East-Coast Bias.

  22. Obviously... by Quixote · · Score: 4, Funny

    RI can be covered by a handful of WiFi APs , so that's no surprise.... ;-)

  23. You think that's bad? by hellfire · · Score: 1

    I live in a condo in one of the suburbs of Philadelphia where FiOS was specifically being rolled out to originally. I STILL cannot get FiOS even though people in the development across the street and in the development behind me can!

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  24. Re:New Jersey by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only thing wrong with NJ is the taxes, cost of property, and the state gov.

    Beyond that it's a nice place to live. Everyone always thinks all of NJ is inner-city Newark because that's all the see from the Parkway and Turnpike because of trees and sound dividers, or when they land at Newark International Airport, or look at us across the river.

    When it fact it's a nice place with plenty of trees and forests.

    Some people I know were talking about how they drove to NJ for the first time from out west. They were flabbergasted when they realized they'd been driving in NJ for over an hour and had stopped at a few places in NJ. They said they never saw that portion of NJ on the TV.

  25. Didn't RTFA but... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    Ok I didn't RTFA but doesn't it only really matter for what municipality you live in, and not the state/region average? In that scenario, my service far outpaces every one listed in the summary, at somewhere around 15Mbps for $25/month.

  26. VA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    80% of southwestern VA is restricted to Dial-up still. I dont understand up it can be on the top 5

    1. Re:VA by dmnic · · Score: 1

      and what percentage of Virginias population is in the metropolitan areas of NoVA, Richmond/Tri Cities and the Tidewater?

  27. Oblig Matrix... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What good is a phone call...if youâ(TM)re unable to speak?

    I'm glad someone has 6.8 Mbs...just hope they don't actually use it. DPI, caps, throttling....these speeds only apply if you use them for services the telco wants you to use them on.

    Millions in gov't subsidies and right-of-ways thru your property and all I got was this lousy duopoly.

    1. Re:Oblig Matrix... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Millions? Try BILLIONS. In 1996 Congress gave telcos across the country a total of $200 billion to implement 45mbps bidirectional fiber across the country by 2000. That's $2000 per household for which you get exactly dick.

      No congressional hearings have been held. No one is going to jail for this fraud.

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  28. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I get about 756k in Miami for $10 a month. I could go faster I guess, but why bother? When I went from 2400 baud to 44k baud, that was really cool. When I went from 44k baud to cable modem, that was really cool. Any incremental increase after that is eh.

    1. Re:hmmm by v1k · · Score: 1

      756k to 15mbps is pretty cool too.

  29. Sample by wilsonjd · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Speed Matters, which is a project of the Communication Workers of America, conducted the study between May 2007 and May 2008 by asking users visiting its Web site to test out their connection speed to check how quickly they could download and upload data. In total, nearly 230,000 connections in the United States were tested.

    a survey of visitors to their website. Gee, that sounds like a scientifically valid sample.

  30. 12mb for $25 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm paying $25 for 12mbps in Tennessee.

    1. Re:12mb for $25 by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Where at? I'm in the Memphis area, and I'm forking over $60/month for Comcast cable internet. Verizon isn't here and BellSouth's DSL offerings weren't very attractive the last time I checked. Isn't it great having so many choices?

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  31. GREED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Want to know why we have slow broadband? GREED! Telco's have figured out we will all open our wallets at a certain speed and are trying to milk us for every penny without upgrading their infrastructure. Why don't you have 100mb fibre at your house? Because the Telco's want to spend that $60+ per month on ferrying around their CEO in a chartered jet rather than to provide the service your paying for. Its rather comical that the Cable companies and telco's are screaming about bandwidth when we have the most developed backbone network in the world. All of those high speed foreign connections are running into a smaller backbone than we have here in the USA yet the providers scaremonger that with HDTV the internet is going to melt down. Perhaps their profit centers might but the current backbone is more than capable.

    I work at a large backbone internet provider and we have a vast untapped amount of dark fibre. Most of the bandwidth issues that you hear about from ISP's are artificially created. It's not because the bandwidth is not available its because the higher ups want to pressure their network engineers to squeeze every penny out of that connection.

    Its about time people stood up and called shenanagans on the lies that ISP's spreading on the technical difficulties of dialing up better speeds. The only thing stopping them from providing you the speeds you pay for is GREED!

  32. of course by jacquesm · · Score: 1, Funny

    East coast bandwidth should be fastest in the USA, I'd be surprised if it was fastest in Guatemala.

  33. You forgot telecom headquarters ... by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    NoVa used to be the home of PSInet, WorldCom, AOL, CAIS, XO, Ardent, UUNet, ... there's a whole lot of connectivity in the Reston / Ashburn / Dulles corridor heading out 7, as there's still a massive number of tech companies out there. And it's also the current home of 3 of the 5 peering points of MAE-East.

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  34. What competition by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is that competition you are talking about? For last three years, I do not have any choice other than comcast for "high speed internet". And this is central NJ - probably the largest urban sprawl in the whole freaking world.

  35. Canada beats the States?! by Hierophant7 · · Score: 1

    Canada's fastest ISP is Montreal's Videotron with 25Mbps. At my parents' place in Burlington, Ontario, they have 10Mbps, but could go to 16 if they wanted it. I've just moved to Toronto... I think we have Bell Sympatico, which is 6, and I consider that slow.

  36. midwest has fast speeds too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Indiana (Insight Communications) you get 10Mbit access for like $45, which is pretty nice. You can also pay $10 more to get 20mbit.

  37. Well... DUH! by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Of course they do. The east is the leading edge of the continent as the earth spins eastward, the northeast even more so - so the electrons are moving the fastest as the earth spins in that direction. Rhode island of course beat the larger Maine NH and MA because it's so tiny the electrons don't have to go so far. And I know what's next - then why didn't tiny CT fare as well? Aha! It's much hillier than RI! Delaware? Small and flat. See? By the time they get from the northeast to the rest of the country, they build up friction in the tubes and slow down. They paid for this research? The average member of congress could have explained it exactly this way.

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    1. Re:Well... DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but no matter how fast your theoretical ISP claims are--everyone feels the pull of the west-coast, when they wake up and get online.

      Formerly being from the east-coast, I recall trying to get bandwidth-affected work done before lunchtime (EST), which was about when PST workers got to work.

      Other east-coasts still feel this pull? Do you plan any work around it?

  38. What are the cable cos thinking? by ProlificLurker · · Score: 1

    I just got Fios in my neighborhood, but the area is still mainly served by Road Runner. And I just don't understand how the cable companies are going to compete with this. I have the 50/20 service, which allows me to download a 700MB mov... er... linux distro in about 20 minutes. Seeding overnight I often wake up with a 35 - 50 share ratio. No bandwidth caps. No throttling. Just straight uncluttered tubes. Contrast with my buddy who lives 2 blocks away and is stuck on Road Runner Turbo (claiming 16Mbps lol). He is LUCKY to get 2Mbps. Most of the time his actual speeds are measured in Kbps. And oh do they throttle so don't even THINK about doing anything other than browsing. Yes, I pay twice as much as he does ($95/month), but I am getting 100+ times the internet connection. More importantly, I want something, there is a market for it, it's not cheap, but somebody is providing that service and I'm happy to pay. So why haven't companies like Comcast and Time Warner caught on to this? What's wrong with having grandma internet connections for the grandmas, man pipes for manly men and charge accordingly? Am I missing something here?

  39. Re:New Jersey by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

    When it fact it's a nice place with plenty of trees and forests.

    I worked in Princeton for 8 months, commuting through Newark airport every weekend.

    Driving south on 95, I saw the worst of NJ. But once you get past Linden and Elizabeth, it's an entirely different state.

    If NJ could cede Newark/Jersey City to NYC, and Camden/Trenton to Philadelphia (along with the corrupt state government), it would be a nice place.

  40. TWC-San Antonio by AjStone · · Score: 1

    RoadRunner in San Antonio, Texas just bumped their premium "RoadRunner Turbo" customers to 22Mbps down while remaining at 1Mbps up. $69/monthly. Not a bad deal to me, especially with their very high reliability and uptime. DSL and other providers are still lagging at 2-5Mbps locally.

    1. Re:TWC-San Antonio by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 1

      Same here in northern New Hampshire. I had a 5Mbps connection a couple of months ago, purchased the Turbo and went to 10Mbps. Within the last couple of weeks it jumped to 15Mbps an then very recently to around 30Mpbs. Still 1Mbps up but not really an issue now.

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  41. Hellz Yeah! by sweatyboatman · · Score: 1

    In your face, California!

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  42. Getting around FIOS Limitations by smartin · · Score: 1

    I have FIOS TV and phone but have yet to jump from Comcast to FIOS internet due to the fact that Verizon blocks ports 80 and 25. I run my own web and mail servers for personal (not commercial) use and don't want to give them up.

    Does anyone know of any ways around these limitations (besides paying extra to verizon).

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    1. Re:Getting around FIOS Limitations by sssssss27 · · Score: 1

      I have a dynamic ip address and port 80 is being used by another device on my network. I just used no-ip to automatically forward me to another port that I set. I think I had to moodify some configuratins for Apache but it's pretty simple. You can also just append the port number to the web address.

    2. Re:Getting around FIOS Limitations by jweller · · Score: 3, Informative

      call fios, get them to turn on the ethernet jack at the ONT, and run your own router instead of the piece of crap actiontec router they give you. then just do port redirects. also check out noip.com

  43. Sure, just go further east by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    28Mbps, all you can get for €29.90

    That also includes TV, unlimited international phone calls, and so on.

  44. anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    germanfag says: we have more than twice that speed, n00bs

  45. "High speed" by mrbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I live 5 minutes away from MAE-East so you'd think internet access would cost less here, but I'm paying $60 per month for 15/2. I'd be willing to bet that the recent surge in advertised speeds has more to do with marketing than capacity.

    At some point a few years ago ISPs realized that most web services don't have the bandwidth on their end to serve lots of users with 15 megabit connections, so they'd never actually have to provide all that bandwidth. They decided they were going to use speed purely as a marketing gimmick and started selling "15 megabit" connections with no capacity to back them up. That's why they hate BitTorrent so much -- it forces them to deliver the product they advertise (what an insane concept!). They oversell bandwidth by a factor of 100 and then turn around and label people who actually use the capacity they pay for as "bandwidth hogs". It's pitiful.

    1. Re:"High speed" by baggins2001 · · Score: 1

      I live in Dallas area and am paying $60 per month for 3/200K. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

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    2. Re:"High speed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I live in Dallas area and am paying $60 per month for 3/200K

      You're getting ripped off. There's no way I'd ever pay that much money for 0.015K.

  46. Re:New Jersey by Skye16 · · Score: 1

    No no no no!

    NJ should take Philadelphia, not the other way around! We don't want it!

  47. East coast faster before Noon only ! by sjf · · Score: 1

    What time of day did they measure it ?
    The East Coast wakes up 3 hours before the West Coast. We have the internet pretty much to ourselves until noon...

  48. Jersey? by Baavgai · · Score: 3, Funny

    I live in Jersey. If the level of service here is considered to be in the Top 5, the rest of you lot are screwed.

    1. Re:Jersey? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Jersey resident here, and I get the 20Mbit plan (5Mbit up) from Verizon. And we weren't even one of the early ones to get it. Prior to that we were on DSL because we hate the cable company.

      I guess it depends on where you live. I imagine rural Jersey has fewer options.

    2. Re:Jersey? by baggins2001 · · Score: 1

      Not really, we're not living in New Jersey.

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  49. Why doesn't the US get fast broadband? Simple. by glindsey · · Score: 1

    The powers in the music, movie, and television industries want to keep our transfer speeds as low as possible. Otherwise, every single one of us will turn into horrible, filthy media pirates.

    There are no technical reasons whatsoever. It is entirely fabricated by cartels who want to control the United States populace, and these same cartels either own or are in collusion with the ISPs.

  50. Not Fast. by nitefallz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in rural (think Amish) PA we have 15 megabits from the local cable provider. Not sure how long it will last though as Comcast is trying to push into the area and take over.

  51. How does your state stane? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    Here is the list. I was going to just post it, but Google's HTML cache won't copy/paste easily and its source is full of DIVs, which slashdot won't let you use in a comment.

    If you want the PDF, it's linked from the linked HTML version.

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  52. Try Earthlink/Covad by r3b00tm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From New York City, inside the "speed zone"

    I was paying $50 for 3Mb DSL, which only negotiated at 1.7Mb on my router. The only other mainstream alternative was TimeWarner, who doesn't sell naked cable (i.e. you need their "extended basic" service for $45 before you can get Internet service), so I thought I was screwed.

    However I was able to get Earthlink 8Mb for $75 with unlimited long distance and various other stuff.

    I was worried the low speed negotiation that hampered Verizon would continue when I switched to Earthlink, but I get 750Kb downloads consistently, so that wasn't the case.

    I have Earthlink's DNS crap and the slight double click on the phone when I first pick up, but other than that, the service has been stellar.

    The difference for me was the response on some sites like Youtube and the ability to stream radio stations without interruption.

    Let's face it broadband in the US is going to be intermittently crappy for our lifetime. It's in the hands of companies who don't give a hoot about anything but their own short term goals.

    Any solution wherever you are will only temporarily solve the problem.

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  53. Population Density by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, all of these states are densely populated.

    Exactly! If you google a space photo of the night-time side of the US, you will see that the east coast is populated much more densely than the west. Companies get more per infrastructure investment in densely populated areas. There's more potential customers per box or node.

    http://dmsp.ngdc.noaa.gov/images/usa_small.gif
       

  54. Please, don't rub it in by PPH · · Score: 1

    Out here on the West Coast, my local telco (GTE) was bought out by Verizon years ago. They proceeded to:

    1. Discontinue GTE's DSL service.
    2. Raise rates.
    3. Take the cash and invest it in East Coast operations and wireless.
    4. ?????
    5. Profit!

    I live within spitting distance of Microsoft's campus and ... still no DSL. Oddly enough, I have a rental property out in the boondocks (also Verizon territory). When the power company began developing broadband, Verizon immediately plowed in FiOS. So my peasant tenant has broadband, but not me.

    It appears that broadband goes in as a response to competition, not based on serving the customer.

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  55. Re:New Jersey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shhhhh.... Don't tell everyone! We're crowded enough as it is.

    -AC
    Deep in the swamps of South Jersey

  56. You mean gangsta rap lies?!? by philspear · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't understand this at all. Tupac said "Let's show these fools how we do it on the west side, cause you and I know it's the best side." All this talk about west coast is the best coast, now you're trying to tell me east side is better? That doesn't even rhyme! How do you expect me to believe you?

    1. Re:You mean gangsta rap lies?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yo, east side is better
      Your PC loads letter
      If you wife wants to f*ck another man, you just let her
      We've got hundred megabit
      Your boot doesn't fit
      The only fiber west coast folks has got is in their sh*t
      This is east representin'
      Come on over, we're rentin'
      To bandwith immigration
      From all over the nation
      Bring your wife and your dog and your HP workstation, yeah!

  57. retarded statistics by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    its like the article on slashdot awhile back comparing high speed in the far east to the usa: pointless

    what you are really comparing is population densities

    notice something interesting about the states listed? they are all small, compact, and densely populated

    new york state, for example, is sparsely populated, mostly, but i'll bet you speeds in the city and on long island are as high as anywhere else

    so new york state isn't listed, or california, but that doesn't mean a damn thing, because all you are doing is taking note that these states have large areas that are low in population density, and therefore broadband penetration

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  58. San Jose "Capital of Silicon Valley" by aegl · · Score: 1
    San Jose likes to promote itself as the capital of Silicon Valley ... so you'd think there would be some good internet options here (I live in downtown San Jose).

    Nope ... well not for me anyway.

    My choices are:

    1) AT&T DSL ... with an alleged speed of "up to 3Mbps" that actually maxes out at 2.4Mbps. The 6Mbps "Elite" option from AT&T is "not available in my area".

    2) Comcast ... which might go faster, but I'd have to average the speed down for all the days when it was 0Mbps (based on anecdotal evidence from friends who have Comcast and have complained about downtime).

  59. Re:analogy by leuk_he · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, bad analogy guy is on the no fly list. They won't tell him he is on the list or what he has done wrong.

    THey do tell him he can use the slower car to drive to an other state.

  60. Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all I have is 512 Kb ADSL you insensitive clods!

  61. where'd they get this? by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my particular area in Wisconsin with almost 100,000 people we almost all have Road Runner which is 8 megabits and we also actually get that speed in reality. Florida is also really big into Road Runner and they usually get speed increases first. I guess the northern Wisconsin dialup rural people went and ruined the average but I don't think we should count them lol.

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  62. Downloads... not that important. by repetty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After you get up to a couple megabits a second of download speed, who cares?

    What I would REALLY appreciate is some upload speed. I understand why the situation is the way that it is ("All your base are belong to us.") but I'd love to be able to do really high quality voice conferencing.

    Also, I notice that no one here is complaining about quality, per se. That's good and it's a pretty big difference from attitudes ten years ago.

    --Richard

    1. Re:Downloads... not that important. by larppaxyz · · Score: 1

      Maybe thats why i'm using 100M/10M connection. It's not cheap (43 euros / month), but allows you to seed also. I live in Finland btw.

    2. Re:Downloads... not that important. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      I care.

      my cable bursts to 30Mbps on speed tests and sometimes bursts to 12Mbps in actual downloads.

      my upload is regularly 1.5Mbps. When the great florida blackout happened, we didn't lose power and I was able to achieve 100Mbps with the line.

      Yeah it's comcrap, but it's over fiber and that's why its fast.

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  63. No Broadband for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live 70 miles from Washington DC and less than 40 miles from Baltimore, MD and I only have dialup, no broadband access (except satellite).

  64. What's the Point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the midwest I think my service is around 5MB through the cable (shared) with 7 and up available.

    But websites come up super quick, Youtube plays and other websites are very responsive. In other words, the internet for the masses works just fine. After a certain point, diminishing returns negates any further investment. There is currently no compelling reason to shell out for more (unless you are downloading a ton of videos).

  65. Ummmm....duh? by sneakyimp · · Score: 1

    Given the higher population found in east coast states, this is hardly surprising. It's easier to build out quality broadband profitably if you don't have to run cable across some huge empty state like Alaska.

  66. Comcast *says* I have 10MB/s by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    But they wont let me actually use it :)

    All kidding aside, when its actually up and running ( goes down 10x a day ) i might get 1MB/s.

    Never had a lick of trouble for nearly 10 years with the provider they bought out.

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  67. 15-30M by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

    I have, on occasion, gotten my connection up to 15M-30M. This is in Spokane, WA where you wouldn't expect those kinds of speeds.. my guess is, Comcast is testing higher speeds here..

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    1. Re:15-30M by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I get my connection from a small city-run cable company on the San Francisco Peninsula. They have a pretty low guaranteed bandwidth, but what I actually get is really good. I can sustain downloads of over 10 megabits/sec at pretty much any time of the day, as long as the FTP site will give me that much.

  68. I'll tell you what you do by tknd · · Score: 1
    • Get rid of your land line and replace it with something like VOIP.
    • Get rid of your "cable tv" or "satellite tv" service and replace it with something like video on demand (via internet) or streaming video.
    • Get rid of most of your personal storage and sign up for something like amazon S3 to store your data (encrypted of course)
    • Don't bother saving copies of data like buying dvd disks or that p0rn collection of yours, it's easier to just re-download it.
    • Apps that use the internet can now actually operate fast and be developed without speed limitations in mind.

    Net result: your assets for storing data are now useless (good) because the internet can store everything for you. The internet can also provide the data not only at a reasonable speed that is "good enough". Finally, you can access your data and services anywhere the internet is available (which we can almost consider "everywhere" as long as you stay within developed parts of the world).

  69. The geek is not their market by westlake · · Score: 1
    these speeds only apply if you use them for services the telco wants you to use them on.
    .

    The telco is selling residential service to a mass consumer market. The geek who sucks up bandwidth like free beer from the keg doesn't help their bottom line.

  70. That's fast, but... by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

    We have Fiber in utah that gives you 50 Mbps UP and down for $80/mo.

    unfortunately, there is nothing the mormons are allowed to download that can take advantage of it.

  71. Re:New Jersey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, most years, the hockey team is pretty good.

    That is pretty much the list of redeeming qualities of New Jersey. Actually before Byrne was governor, it was a pretty cool place to live, especially South Jersey. Now it has completely gone to hell.

  72. Here in Spain 20mbits is the norm. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    I'm currently on 20mbits down/1mbit up, and it's regarded as "normal" if you live in the city.

    I could get 25mbits download if I could be bothered to switch ISP.

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    1. Re:Here in Spain 20mbits is the norm. by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can get that from a good cable company in the city. I had one cable company for a while that was offering 30Mb down and 5Mb up, which was pretty good. But Verizon is advertising FIOS services up to 50Mb down and 20Mb up. God only knows whether they deliver on that, but I'd kill to get 20Mb upstream for under $100/month.

    2. Re:Here in Spain 20mbits is the norm. by samkass · · Score: 1

      I can vouch that FiOS's 20/5 service really does deliver that speed almost all the time. Occasionally it dips a little bit (not sure why), but generally I can download a couple gigs in 15 minutes or so and upload my site way, way faster than with Comcast.

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  73. Rhode Island by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    Indeed, I get a 20/5 package from Cox and it works fairly well. I run my three types of VoIP over it including Vonage, Skype and MagicJack with great results.

    But I want what they have in Japan. Not only do they get more bandwidth, they pay less for it.

  74. Woooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha. I live in NJ.

  75. Just Like Dial-Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need higher speeds so the cable links won't seem like dial-up. All those third-party ad connections and interconnections can really slow down the experience.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  76. Wealth matters... by mccabem · · Score: 1

    Sorta sorry for hot-linking someone else's gaphic, but this GDP-density graphic does indicate the same trends the study found as indicated on the graphic on Page 1 of Speedmatters.org's report. Seems logical to me that it would given how the FCC is oriented these days. The same way "party line" phone systems disappeared last from "economically less advanced areas" so will slow internet access. It almost always takes government intervention for services like this to be rolled out to non-rich zones of the country.

    Thoughts?

    -Matt

    1. Re:Wealth matters... by mccabem · · Score: 1

      Sorta sorry again for replying to self, but after the fact found a great link on the history of party line telephone. Enjoy!

      -Matt

  77. 1Mbps? In Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > We are talking median speed. If you and your 5 neighbors have speeds of 1,1,2,3 and 87 your median speed is 2Mbps.

    I don't think many people have less than 10 Mbps connections in Japan from what I hear.

  78. We in the US are pityfully slow for internet. by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

    I have several co-worker that are here from Japan and they have an average network speed of 55mb/s and feel like I have Yugo on a Autobahn.
    It is a pity that our nation doesn't have the guts to revamp the network infrastructure and update our network to industrial world (or better) network speeds.

  79. you think 5mbps is slow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in ohio and I'm still on 768k dsl from at&t.

    hell, I had dialup until 2006.

  80. azeroth by proc_tarry · · Score: 1

    All the more reason to use Azeroth (US East) on battle.net.

    Sorry, I've been playing lots of DotA lately.

  81. This is rediculous number game by baggins2001 · · Score: 1

    They keep reporting these numbers of 2 to 3 mbps download speed as median.
    How can you have a speed of 6 and then have a median of 2.3.
    Everybody knows that the telco's are going to report that the average is now 2.3. They are going to say that they are providing adequate service. See the average is 2.3, these people are just whiny babys, don't pay attentions to them, they get all jealous because someone has faster.
    Hey, I have 2.5, sometimes. A lot of the times it just goes out. But hey, that's my problem, I have to take off of work and show them a line that may or may not be working at the time. So if they show up and test the line and it is working then they just leave.
    And there is no competition in my area, none.

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  82. Re:New Jersey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (along with the corrupt state government)

    I think you're overlooking the history of significant corruption at the county level as well :)

    Actually, if the NJ state government (and some of the county and larger municipal governments) were either stupid or corrupt, I could find it easier to forgive. It's the fact that they're both that just sets my teeth on edge. The governor in this state just has too much power - they're the only state official elected in the executive branch. No election for state attorney general, lieutenant governor, treasurer (that would make a big difference), secretary of state, etc.

  83. Apparently size does matter by jackspenn · · Score: 1

    With Road Island and Delaware coming in first and second respectively, I think it is obvious that size (and/or density) does matter.

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  84. Re:Only 100Mbps? by daffy951 · · Score: 1

    I live in Sweden and have a 1000Mbps-rated optical fibre connection. Though the fastest I've got out of it is a piddling 900Mbps. Muahaha.

  85. Re:Only 100Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm compelled to believe that you must be exaggerating.

  86. Richest Country by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Yep, the world's richest country is years behind in technology infrastructure..

    Net worth or capital on hand?

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  87. Median by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The study obviously wasn't that thorough. We have Fiber in utah that gives you 50 Mbps UP and down for $80/mo. It's a helluva lot cheaper and better than Verizon fios.

    They're talking median. u-238 here has been desperately trying to get Utopia in his town for a few years, after Comcast nailed him to the wall over downloads (which his rrdtool graphs refute).

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  88. It used to be worse... MUCH worse! by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    OMG. 12 years ago, we sat in an office building in Vienna, VA waiting for our 128K ISDN to be installed. While were totally disgusted by it, it was better than the cable company's dial-up/cable hybrid 'solution'.

    Bell Atlantic (now Verizon), the supposed "Heart of Communication" didn't even sell Internet services through ISDN to small businesses back then so we had to go third party. And yet...

    RIGHT DOWN THE BLOCK was the almighty Mae East. We'd eat lunch, staring forlornly at the Unattainable and wonder how long it would take for the fiber to eventually arrive.

    Inevitably, plots would form consisting of technical and/or social engineering stunts; like trying to convince someone over there to leave an 802.11b wireless open for us, etc.

    Good times, good times... ;)

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  89. Download speeds by Bwild56 · · Score: 1

    Here in rural Western Washington, I get 4.5 Mbps downstream from S.F., 3.3 Mbps from D.C., and 2.8 Mbps from Chicago using Speakeasy's bandwidth tester.

  90. you call that broadband? 100mbps is broadband. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, is that the "technological advanced USA"?

    6 mbps was broadband last millenium (at least in the rest of the world).

    Current state of affairs outside the third world country west of the atlantic:

    Europe: Broadband = VHDSL (56Mbps), common small band = ADSL 2-6 mbps (rural) to 18 mbps (urban), wireless broadband: 5-7 mbps.

    Asean: wired Broadband = 100mbps, some urban areas are deploying gigabit already, wireless broadband = 7 mbps, wired
    small band: virtually nonexistant

    The only contintent that may not have better infrastructure (bandwidth for the masses)
    than the US is africa.

    AC

  91. Meh. I can't even get DSL by Control-Z · · Score: 1

    I'm on the right coast and Verizon won't give me DSL and Comcast won't give me cable. All I have is EVDO.

  92. Re:1Mbps? In Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends - I get 8 Mbps in my house for free - avg 7 Mbps (I know that's not median - but avg of what I get). I did suffer with 1.5 Mbps for awhile, but I also get 7 Mbps via my wireless emobile service - while commuting on the train, bitches!

  93. Re:Only 100Mbps? by daffy951 · · Score: 1

    Actually no, I'm not. The fibre goes into the basement, and from there I have 1000Mbit cat5e to the whole house. Download speed vary very much depending on the hosting server though, and I often don't get more than ~50Mbit from public servers with load. Many servers seem to cap the download speed too, since it sometimes is rock stable at for example 30Mbit no matter what I do (If I open up more sessions to different sites the 30Mbit speed does not fall, so it's not my end of the line which is choking). The fastest speed I get is from company servers in northern europe, especially Sweden, Finland, Norway and Germany.