so even assuming the 100% efficiency, efficiency gains alone cannot make solar economical.
Add the long term cost of the Iraq war, and the future war in Iran onto the cost of your petro power.
It is not so cheap anymore.
If the long term projected trillions of dollars went to a Solar Thermal array like the SEGS system we could power the earth with 10% of the Sahara Desert 3 times over replacing all forms of power including oil, coal, nuclear, wind, hydro.
In 2005 total world energy usage was 15 Tera Watts, the 10% section of the Sahara converted to 40% efficient solar thermal would be 50 Terawatts.
It woule take up 350,000 sq miles though, and would be a monster to manage, realistically spread the systems through the deserts of the world so that the sun never goes down on the grid at some place in the world.
As the temperature increases, different forms of conversion become practical. Up to 600ÂC, steam turbines, standard technology, have an efficiency up to 41%. Above this, gas turbines can be more efficient. Higher temperatures are problematic because different materials and techniques are needed. One proposal for very high temperatures is to use liquid fluoride salts operating above 1100ÂC, using multi-stage turbine systems to achieve 60% thermal efficiencies. [27]
Large sections of the Sonora and Mojave have low or near zero life there, and could be used to scale up what the SEGS system is already doing.
10 % of it is 350,000 sq miles and would be 25 times as powerful as the one above for about 50 Terawatts or over 3 times all power used on earth of all forms in 2005.
If they are waiting for Iran to do it, they may have a bit of a wait as they just recently fired up the next gen centrifuges.
Once Iran has one bomb I doubt they will use it because they want it for leverage, as only countries with the bomb like Pakistan get shown any respect.
North Korea is an exception because that war never really ended it is just a cease fire, and the rhetoric out of that country is about as bad as out of Iran, sometimes worse.
If I was gonna fret I'd be more worried about who made the assassination attempt on Putin, and that the bear bombers are back on their flights just like they were during the Cold War.
The change to all that is they don't carry bombs anymore, they carry Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missiles with stealth tech taken from the F117 shot down over Serbian.
I could not agree with this more, and I say that in all honesty. However, you have to admit, America has largely benefited from people _not_ doing this.
You'd get very different results if you interviewed nearly 1,000 laid off IT professionals. It is really no surprise that people who already have a steady job in the field are under the impression that there are plenty of jobs to be had.
I thought this was/., don't you fools know jack about statistics?
There are:
Optimists Pessimists and Realists
The Optimist thinks that because his life is good or most ppl he can see in short range have a good life, then all is well.
The Pessimist thinks that life is bad because most ppl he knows or his own life is bad, then all is not well.
The Realist looks at unbiased unmanipulated statistics, and verifies the results with other realists.
As a realist and IT worker of over 20 yrs I can say that millions of imported workers has made it harder to get run of the mill IT job.
Specialized cutting edge new technologies where immediate results are required are still doing pretty well.
But the cookie cutter coding jobs on older languages are sliding into oblivion at companies that do outsourcing.
Some companies do not do outsourcing, but they are few.
You may or may not know this, but the people who get H1B Visas are humans too. With families, feelings, etc. And as far as I know, they are no less worthy of a job than you are.
I guarantee you if I came to your country and the politicians started favoring me over you and your family due to bribes paid to them you'd be upset.
I also say that if you truly are a citizen of your own country you would stay there and work to make conditions better there instead of running away from it.
The grass is often greener elsewhere, but not all 6.5 billion ppl are going to be able to find jobs in one location.
In my country the pursuit of happiness is a RIGHT, and if millions of imported workers come in and take all the jobs and wages drop to where I lose my house because I can't make the payments you better believe I am not happy.
This Visa shell game is corporations realizing it is cheaper to bribe a congress critter than to pay the employees.
I hope my kids come nowhere near IT. The difficulties caused by the dot-com-bust in conjunction with excess H1B's at the same time left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a coworker get replaced by an H1B, and it was one of the saddest work-related moments of my life.
Yeah I worked at Crisco *cough* I mean Cisco and about 6 months before the bubble burst the vast majority of new hires were visa holders. I got canned 6 months after the bubble burst, and most of the Visa holders kept their jobs.
Most were NOT H1-b though, apparently through some handy loopholes they have setup a HUGE list of Alphabet Visas, and what follows is an abridged list of them.
So as for not wanting your kids in IT, it doesn't really matter cause what the corrupt congress wants is to be able to bring in any type of labor to replace you at any type of job for any wage.
The bottom line is, if someone somewhere can do the job for less they have passed legislation to get ppl into the country to work for fast food wages, and some Visas like the L1 have >>> NO LIMIT
yes, NO LIMIT, that is right.
All the US company has to do is rent a tiny piece of ugly space in the foreign country and they as a multinational can flood the US market with cheap labor like Tata.
Scam De Jour, Scam of the Day.
Deja Moo, You have heard this Shit before.
The Congressman have taken the corporate cash, and sold us down the river.... AGAIN.
It is business as usual, the working class get screwed because the corporate scum have figured out it is cheaper to bribe with political donations than to pay the workers.
You must not work in the IT industry. You don't get promoted up the ranks, you get hired at another company for higher wages.
This is dead on.
The HR ppl have been told not to counter offer at most companies, because they believe that new job fear, and being on probation at another company will keep the sheep inline.
Apparently with 86% considering moving on up, they are wrong.
Imagine HR being wrong about something as hard and as fast as they work, the blinding speed, and diligence, *gag* *puke*
Ok, couldn't stomach my own bullshit there.
Yeah I can see HR thinking one thing and reality being another.
And I, as a possible representative of the ppl you think just need to die. It might be you that has a post apocalyptic date with fate foretold by the man 28 years ago that paid $50,000 cash to say 6 billion ppl need to die.
When his group of cabal minded folks check you out, you can shout "what a great idea !" and I might agree with you from my underground shelter in the midwest.
You can't lump the Spanish and their smallpox blankets in with us English, who just shot your stupid asses when you dropped by for an impromptu raid. Do your homework.
Excerpt for the link you obviously didn't read:
The British may have used smallpox as a biological warfare agent during the French and Indian Wars (1754â"63), against France and its Native American allies (see more information at Siege of Fort Pitt).
Afraid it was Brits, so like g'day mate.
Also, I never said the Native Americans did not try to defend their home viciously.
I am pretty sure you would to.
As for superior technology, that is the Might makes Right argument.
If you want to go down that road, Hitler was ok for trying to destroy the UK ?
I think not.
There are a lot of ppl who try to justify the colonial expansion period of Europe, but it made bitter enemies of most of the world.
The brits bragging about how the sun never sets on the british empire made them quite hated.
I am totally amazed the Chinese have waited this long to pay you back for what you did in Hong Kong, but be sure the day of reckoning will arrive at some point.
If none of your ancestors were involved then good for you.
Also what your ancestors did does not make you guilty.
The American Indian is finally enjoying some success here lately and the tribes can provide health care now outside of government assistance due to the casinos.
As for me being racist ???
I thought I simply provided links and stated the facts.
The ppl that came and killed my ancestors as far as I know were 100% white, and I am pretty sure the ppl giving the orders were too.
I am not saying the Native Americans were kind and perfect, but simply explained the reference, and the perspective.
The problem is the Warlords horde it and dole it out for loyalty to their cause.
Shipping goods is not the issue, china is now the master of that.
The smart way to do this would be with no Distribution at all, ie. save the fuel costs and have the growing facilities locally instead of just one location.
My post explains that the food can be grown densely in a small area on non arable land, and thus most countries around the world could do it as well.
They just choose to be corrupt and kill their own ppl.
To me, these measly "over 240.000" people don't really matter. Many of them probably didn't deserve to live anyway, others might just have contributed to the solution for the over-population of our earth.
Among these people could have been the next great scientist, or someone that could have contributed to the world in a significant manner.
If all the ppl in the world were put in Texas, everyone would get roughly 1,152 sq feet.
So to me the over population hysteria is just a myth.
Food growth with vertical hydroponics could took the place of large land plots and actually be cheaper once the engineering is fine tuned.
125 million lbs on 256 acres, ie. less than.5 sq miles in one yr.
10,000 sq miles would be 2.5 trillion lbs. and that is just 100 miles by 100 miles.
This is with just conventional hydroponics, not Vertical Growth High Density which yields 20 times standard soil yields.
If half the area of the farmers in the US that are PAID to grow nothing did this it would feed the world MANY times over.
It needs to be done diversely around the world in areas that are considered non arable, because hydroponics works on land that is not even good for farming once you get a decent water supply and some type of nutrients.
One natural loop method is fish in the water, and insects for their food, and the insects as food for each other as well.
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so even assuming the 100% efficiency, efficiency gains alone cannot make solar economical.
Add the long term cost of the Iraq war, and the future
war in Iran onto the cost of your petro power.
It is not so cheap anymore.
If the long term projected trillions of dollars went to a
Solar Thermal array like the SEGS system we could
power the earth with 10% of the Sahara Desert
3 times over replacing all forms of power including
oil, coal, nuclear, wind, hydro.
In 2005 total world energy usage was 15 Tera Watts,
the 10% section of the Sahara converted to 40% efficient
solar thermal would be 50 Terawatts.
It woule take up 350,000 sq miles though, and would be
a monster to manage, realistically spread the systems
through the deserts of the world so that the sun never
goes down on the grid at some place in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEGS
You can make your own hydrogen with various methods.
Wikipedia will tell you how.
Electrolysis of water is the most straight forward method.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production#Electrolysis
The pond scum method will most likely be the cheapest at
some point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hydrogen_production_(Algae)
Super heated oil storage is being used now.
Super heated molten salt is being developed now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_battery
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/scale/pubs/SOL-05-1048_1.pdf
A hybrid of ORNL plans and the prior link could be the
super solution to night energy storage.
Especially if you could use something like a giant empty salt mine.
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine
The SEGS is the largest at 354 MW, but larger ones are soon
to come online as other posters have mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEGS
Total Solar Thermal for just 10% of the Sahara is over
3 times all power used on Earth in 2005 at 40% Efficiency.
So for those who disdain Solar thermal, it could make
all the hydrogen for fuel cells for earth easily.
Setting up the system and managing it will be a Herculean
task thou.
Some ppl own stocks in companies that would be hurt by
a solar revolution.
So you cannot expect ppl to embrace a technology that
will impact their wallets.
The US is gearing up on Wind, and Solar, but not at the
pace it should.
The afore mentioned oil and gas folks are the likely reason.
We won't run out of natural gas for electricity any time
real soon, but the day is coming.
At the price of a nuclear plant, I'd rather see Solar Thermal
go in out in the middle of desert in the more lifeless sections.
I understand some sections of the desert have cities, and
some life, but large sections ie. 10% possibly more are
largely lifeless.
PV is about 15-20% efficient.
Thermal is currently 40% in some units,
and a prototype achieved 60%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal#High-temperature_collectors
Excerpt:
As the temperature increases, different forms of conversion become practical. Up to 600ÂC, steam turbines, standard technology, have an efficiency up to 41%. Above this, gas turbines can be more efficient. Higher temperatures are problematic because different materials and techniques are needed. One proposal for very high temperatures is to use liquid fluoride salts operating above 1100ÂC, using multi-stage turbine systems to achieve 60% thermal efficiencies. [27]
Large sections of the Sonora and Mojave have low or near
zero life there, and could be used to scale up what the SEGS
system is already doing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEGS
640 acres per sq mile, thus about 2.5 sq. miles so far
for 350 MWatts.
The Mojave at 22,000 sq miles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Desert
The Sonora at 120,000 sq miles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonora_desert
At 10% ie. 14,000 sq miles, you'd get 5,600 times the power.
Roughly 1.9 Tera Watts.
All the worlds energy resources of all types combined for
over 150 countries, oil, coal , nuclear, hydro was
just 15 Tera Watts for 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_resources_and_consumption
So Thermal Solar is a bit more promising than you might think.
What could be done with the Sahara alone is staggering.
It could power all of Europe and Africa with power left over.
3.5 million sq miles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_desert
10 % of it is 350,000 sq miles and would be 25 times as powerful
as the one above for about 50 Terawatts or over 3 times all
power used on earth of all forms in 2005.
If they are waiting for Iran to do it, they may have a
bit of a wait as they just recently fired up the next gen
centrifuges.
Once Iran has one bomb I doubt they will use it because
they want it for leverage, as only countries with the
bomb like Pakistan get shown any respect.
North Korea is an exception because that war never really
ended it is just a cease fire, and the rhetoric out of
that country is about as bad as out of Iran, sometimes worse.
If I was gonna fret I'd be more worried about who made
the assassination attempt on Putin, and that the bear bombers
are back on their flights just like they were during the
Cold War.
The change to all that is they don't carry bombs anymore,
they carry Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missiles with stealth tech
taken from the F117 shot down over Serbian.
The KH-55/555 is the name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-55
The missile has the TERCOM guidance system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercom
Meaning it can be giving terrain paths to take that make
it very hard to even see on its approach, let alone track
with RADAR.
I cannot find a link for it, but the missile also has a
hostile avoidance system meaning essentially it can duck.
With China angling the oil in Darfur and elsewhere, and
the US angling most of the rest Russia is feeling left out.
Add that and the assassination attempt on Putin, and you got
an angry man with 5,000km range stealth nuclear cruise missile.
Worry about him, not the monkey in charge in Iran.
I could not agree with this more, and I say that in all honesty. However, you have to admit, America has largely benefited from people _not_ doing this.
I wholeheartedly agree.
LOL,
Only on slashdot can links to wikipedia get modded Flamebait, haha.
You'd get very different results if you interviewed nearly 1,000 laid off IT professionals. It is really no surprise that people who already have a steady job in the field are under the impression that there are plenty of jobs to be had.
/., don't you fools know jack about statistics?
I thought this was
There are:
Optimists
Pessimists
and Realists
The Optimist thinks that because his life is good or most
ppl he can see in short range have a good life, then all is well.
The Pessimist thinks that life is bad because most ppl he
knows or his own life is bad, then all is not well.
The Realist looks at unbiased unmanipulated statistics,
and verifies the results with other realists.
As a realist and IT worker of over 20 yrs I can say that
millions of imported workers has made it harder to get
run of the mill IT job.
Specialized cutting edge new technologies where immediate
results are required are still doing pretty well.
But the cookie cutter coding jobs on older languages are
sliding into oblivion at companies that do outsourcing.
Some companies do not do outsourcing, but they are few.
You may or may not know this, but the people who get H1B Visas are humans too. With families, feelings, etc. And as far as I know, they are no less worthy of a job than you are.
I guarantee you if I came to your country and the politicians
started favoring me over you and your family due to bribes
paid to them you'd be upset.
I also say that if you truly are a citizen of your own country
you would stay there and work to make conditions better there
instead of running away from it.
The grass is often greener elsewhere, but not all 6.5 billion
ppl are going to be able to find jobs in one location.
In my country the pursuit of happiness is a RIGHT, and
if millions of imported workers come in and take all
the jobs and wages drop to where I lose my house because
I can't make the payments you better believe I am not happy.
This Visa shell game is corporations realizing it is cheaper
to bribe a congress critter than to pay the employees.
I hope my kids come nowhere near IT. The difficulties caused by the dot-com-bust in conjunction with excess H1B's at the same time left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a coworker get replaced by an H1B, and it was one of the saddest work-related moments of my life.
.... AGAIN.
Yeah I worked at Crisco *cough* I mean Cisco and about 6 months
before the bubble burst the vast majority of new hires were
visa holders. I got canned 6 months after the bubble burst,
and most of the Visa holders kept their jobs.
Most were NOT H1-b though, apparently through some handy loopholes
they have setup a HUGE list of Alphabet Visas, and what follows
is an abridged list of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_visas#Select_List_of_the_Various_Types_of_Visas
So as for not wanting your kids in IT, it doesn't really matter
cause what the corrupt congress wants is to be able to bring
in any type of labor to replace you at any type of job for
any wage.
The bottom line is, if someone somewhere can do the job for
less they have passed legislation to get ppl into the country
to work for fast food wages, and some Visas like the L1 have
>>> NO LIMIT
yes, NO LIMIT, that is right.
All the US company has to do is rent a tiny piece of ugly
space in the foreign country and they as a multinational
can flood the US market with cheap labor like Tata.
Scam De Jour, Scam of the Day.
Deja Moo, You have heard this Shit before.
The Congressman have taken the corporate cash, and sold us
down the river
It is business as usual, the working class get screwed
because the corporate scum have figured out it is cheaper
to bribe with political donations than to pay the workers.
Visa reform is needed NOW.
You must not work in the IT industry. You don't get promoted up the ranks, you get hired at another company for higher wages.
This is dead on.
The HR ppl have been told not to counter offer at most companies,
because they believe that new job fear, and being on probation
at another company will keep the sheep inline.
Apparently with 86% considering moving on up, they are wrong.
Imagine HR being wrong about something as hard and as fast as
they work, the blinding speed, and diligence, *gag* *puke*
Ok, couldn't stomach my own bullshit there.
Yeah I can see HR thinking one thing and reality being another.
Welllllllllllllll...
H1-B is not bringing in enough ppl to worry you.
So let's make a new work visa to bring in more workers
when the H1-B's fill up, we will call it the L-1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-1_visa
Also because of pesky limits on H1-B's, lets make sure
L1's HAVE NO LIMIT.
http://www.immihelp.com/visas/l1/faq.html
(see Q & A #6)
Just in case ppl figure out the shell game we will also create
dozens of other alphabet letter visas too !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_visas#Select_List_of_the_Various_Types_of_Visas
The United States Congress, destroying the middle class
the best they can with vigor !
Yeah, like I said if your family wasn't part of it, then
you have no reason to be angry.
And I sure as hell know you were not part of it.
They called us the savages, we called them the whites or worse, lol.
And like I said, as far as I know:
The ppl that came and killed my ancestors as far as I know
were 100% white, and I am pretty sure the ppl giving the
orders were too.
If you can point any other color that instigated it,
I'd be more than happy to bestow the dishonor on them as well.
I do not see why you take it personally.
Black ppl call themselves Black, are you ashamed of being white ?
No one needs to be ashamed of their color, just their actions.
And from what you said your family did nothing wrong.
So its all good in the neighborhood.
convincing me that my fatalist view of the world is incorrect?
I don't think I can convince the stubborn and post humanist
to be something they are not.
But with freedom of speech I can voice my opinion, just as they did.
every one of us would be better off if the other half would just die.
Again, your opinion agrees with the Georgia guidestones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
And I, as a possible representative of the ppl you think just
need to die. It might be you that has a post apocalyptic date
with fate foretold by the man 28 years ago that paid $50,000 cash
to say 6 billion ppl need to die.
When his group of cabal minded folks check you out, you
can shout "what a great idea !" and I might agree with you
from my underground shelter in the midwest.
Adios~
It was before my time, and I didn't "throw it" in your face.
You read it and took offense.
You can take or leave whatever you want from any words,
and freedom of speech is a right.
Not all ppl will say something you agree with.
As soon as you realize that, you can start to
comprehend what the founding fathers meant.
I don't have a problem with Europeans coming to America,
it started off with trade, and fairly amenable terms.
Some ppl on "both" sides turned it into a blood bath.
I will say that once it reached the treaty stage though,
the natives were lied to time and time again.
Try to keep your emotions at bay when you read the post,
and you will get the point of my statements.
I wrote it sarcastically, not hatefully.
We go in and liberate Iraq, but Burma can rot,
Darfur can rot, Rwanda can rot, etc etc etc.
The motives for Iraq are the NO BID contract for Halliburton
and as I know ppl that work for them, I know 100% it is true.
Hahahhahaa,
You can't lump the Spanish and their smallpox blankets in with us English, who just shot your stupid asses when you dropped by for an impromptu raid. Do your homework.
Excerpt for the link you obviously didn't read:
The British may have used smallpox as a biological warfare agent during the French and Indian Wars (1754â"63), against France and its Native American allies (see more information at Siege of Fort Pitt).
Afraid it was Brits, so like g'day mate.
Also, I never said the Native Americans did not try to defend
their home viciously.
I am pretty sure you would to.
As for superior technology, that is the Might makes Right argument.
If you want to go down that road, Hitler was ok for trying to
destroy the UK ?
I think not.
There are a lot of ppl who try to justify the colonial expansion
period of Europe, but it made bitter enemies of most of the world.
The brits bragging about how the sun never sets on the british
empire made them quite hated.
I am totally amazed the Chinese have waited this long to
pay you back for what you did in Hong Kong, but be sure
the day of reckoning will arrive at some point.
The "whites" >were
Past tense amigo.
If none of your ancestors were involved then good for you.
Also what your ancestors did does not make you guilty.
The American Indian is finally enjoying some success here
lately and the tribes can provide health care now outside
of government assistance due to the casinos.
As for me being racist ???
I thought I simply provided links and stated the facts.
The ppl that came and killed my ancestors as far as I know
were 100% white, and I am pretty sure the ppl giving the
orders were too.
I am not saying the Native Americans were kind and perfect,
but simply explained the reference, and the perspective.
Call it what you like, I call it the truth.
That is true, the Chinese are paying the militas to
kill or scare off the native Africans In Darfur right
now so they can get the land rich in oil.
That's not just my opinion but is documented in the
documentary "Crude Awakening".
We get food to ppl in Ethiopia without a problem.
The problem is the Warlords horde it and dole it out
for loyalty to their cause.
Shipping goods is not the issue, china is now the master of that.
The smart way to do this would be with no Distribution at all,
ie. save the fuel costs and have the growing facilities
locally instead of just one location.
My post explains that the food can be grown densely in a small
area on non arable land, and thus most countries around the
world could do it as well.
They just choose to be corrupt and kill their own ppl.
As morbid as that sounds.
To me, these measly "over 240.000" people don't really matter. Many of them probably didn't deserve to live anyway, others might just have contributed to the solution for the over-population of our earth.
.5 sq miles in one yr.
Among these people could have been the next great scientist,
or someone that could have contributed to the world in a
significant manner.
If all the ppl in the world were put in Texas, everyone would
get roughly 1,152 sq feet.
So to me the over population hysteria is just a myth.
Food growth with vertical hydroponics could took the place
of large land plots and actually be cheaper once the
engineering is fine tuned.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS199249+13-Mar-2008+MW20080313
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics#Commercial
125 million lbs on 256 acres, ie. less than
10,000 sq miles would be 2.5 trillion lbs. and that is
just 100 miles by 100 miles.
This is with just conventional hydroponics, not Vertical
Growth High Density which yields 20 times standard soil yields.
If half the area of the farmers in the US that are PAID to
grow nothing did this it would feed the world MANY times over.
It needs to be done diversely around the world in areas
that are considered non arable, because hydroponics works
on land that is not even good for farming once you get
a decent water supply and some type of nutrients.
One natural loop method is fish in the water, and insects
for their food, and the insects as food for each other as well.
Catfish in Vietnam get up to 646 lbs.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/photogalleries/giantcatfish/
Much like occurs in nature, but add natural stimulus factors for
each of the participant species.
I also think at some distant time we will need to move out
into space if our species is to survive at all.
More than one planet killer has struck earth and originated
from earth itself.
1) Gamma Ray Burst
2) Super volcano
3) Asteroid or Comet Impact
Population Freakazoids even have their own monument:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Morale of the story:
Listen to the Earth and all its children, and it may save
you and your children.
We are finding cures in nature that have baffled science
for many years.
http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20050105/curry-spice-may-fight-alzheimers-disease
http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20031205/cinnamon-helps-type-2-diabetes
http://www.chimachine4u.com/AA.html
http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/saliva-ph-test.htm
Sorry, but I just had to laugh at that translation:
Chinese was becoming a very complex language, and still
today there is at least Cantonese and Mandarin, perhaps more.
The people of the government decided to simplify the language
and thus why some of it reads that way when translated.
Also their language is not based of latin like most of Europes.
Yes, please free America as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island#The_Jekyll_Island_Club