You say it is not a race to the bottom, I beg to differ.
All that has to happen is china decides to enter this game with ppl working for less than the ppl in India, and the price goes down another notch.
China is already the fastest growing mercantile power in the world, if they reinvest in themselves to the tune of IT, not only will US coders be S.O.L. , but so will the ppl of India.
A more moderate gradual shift of labor is needed instead of...
"OPEN THE FLOOD GATES !" being the cry of the cheap labor seeking MBA's.
Any and all jobs in the US can be outsourced, and if it happens it will crush the US economy and ppl will leave the over priced cities in droves and cause a collapse of the economy.
You'll see communal living where families live on small parcels of land getting their food from gardens to save money , and with less ppl paying into the welfare system and tax base it will start a NEVER ENDING DOWNWARD SPIRAL as Trent Reznor said.
When their are no well paid US workers to eat out, the restaurants will start getting less business, when there are no well paid US workers to go to the mall, malls will start closing.
I tell everyone that asks me, DO NOT become a programmer, it has been sold out.
Like a snake eating it's own tail, it cannot work.
If someone can do a job cheaper, they should get the job.
Let's check this logic.
All jobs in the US can be done by someone else from another country, by bringing them here via L1 visa or sending the job overseas.
Thus, we end up with millions of bankruptcies, repossesions, and foreclosures, all costing billions of dollars.
Even the lawyers could be outsourced.
Even the court clerks filing the death slips of america could be outsourced.
We could outsource the police force to go and bodily remove ppl from their homess and cars.
I think the "race to the bottom" logic misses the point.
Destablizing the largest economy in the world will send shockwaves thru the entire world.
I for one think that shafting millions of US workers will have a long term negative impact on this country.
There are NO jobs that cannot be outsourced.
If over 50% of the jobs are worked by imported hispanics, or imported visa workers, or sent overseas , it will be the beginning of the end of the US.
It is like a snake eating it own tail.
The world's largest economy is about to collapse under its own greed, because its largest consumer,the US citizen, is about to be replaced by someone that will not spend the majority of their money here, they will send it home.
They will not put it in US banks, they will put it in foreign banks.
Most of the imported labor hates the US, but loves its money.
The only loyalty is to the bottom line.
This will cause a ripple effect thru every sector, and once it gets enough momentum ppl will be leaving the big cities in droves due to their outrageous costs.
The burden to welfare and other social services will not be supportable as less money will be paid in, as the foreign contract workers do not pay into our system.
The national geographic article shows the uneven ground between the US and India.
Those ppl can work for low wages in India, because of the Caste system has some ppl working beneath them much like slaves.
Look at the laws/policies nd labor laws here in the US , and you see the US cannot compete on price when the other country is exempt from labor laws, TAX burden, and many other points.
Great post amigo, I have done alot of what you have said since it all went down with the DOT BOMB, my level of disgust was pretty monumental.
I just want to thank you for lining it all out, and there are alot of ppl out there who can start their own small corporation for less than $100 and shelter their earnings thru expenses just like the big corporations.
Just find your niche' and do your thing, and work a part time job if you have to til things get rolling good.
Good Luck to all !!!
The days or working as a high paid ANYTHING are numbered.
It would be like me paying off russian officials, to disadvantage their fellow russians, I'd prolly get a bullet in the back.
Lobbying, ie. paying off US senators, etc, to take away jobs from the ppl that voted them into office is NOT a representative democracy.
To participate in the US government, ie. affect/effect US law/policy you are suppose to be a US citizen.
What in effect you are doing by lobbying is a foreign power/entity is affecting/effecting the votes of our representatives.
You are paying them money to nullify what the US workers want.
It would be like me paying off Indian officials to do something that would economically disadvantage the Indian ppl.
Like the article states, they had riots when Pizza Hut opened up in India, how would they feel if we put millions of ppl out of work after they paid tens of thousands for an education ????
Foreign powers should not be able to buy votes in the US.
For now though, it is going on and in a major way.
Fortunate for the ppl of India, the US ppl typically only care about their football, baseball, basketball, or whatever their diversion on TV is, and we are a bunch of sheeple now.
Only the coders with no jobs who are just a FEW million care about this issue, and in this country the rednecks deride us as "geeks" , so as long as the jobs are sold out one sect at a time not enough ppl care to get any momentum.
I am not in favor of Visa workers, but you definitely got screwed.
I think you should have been treated differently.
I for one do not think you or ALOT of foreign born ppl are stupid, and I remember the US missile and nuclear scientists were almost all immigrants.
If not for immigrants the US would be speaking japanese or german, and the jewish folk would not be speaking at all.
I think the point some of the angry US coders are trying to make is that if your country is in bad shape and you are proud of it as you seem to be, then work with your fellow ppl to fix it.
Instead of working for dell, start your own dell over there, and show them how its done.
It's just a matter of time before an Indian gets the balls to go into competition with the US companies over there, and it is how it should really be in my opinion.
Write a Linux replacement for windows as a community project, and sell it world wide and send M$ to its knees.
I once again agree, you got screwed, and you were mislead in a huge way . The US has started using their colleges as profit centers , and they should not be used that way.
Education should be the right of all on the planet.
If anyone has the will to learn, they should get to learn.
They should not have to pay but a minimal amount to have access to a online internet based education system.
I am no socialist, I am no communist, but ppl should not live in fear of lack of food, education, medicine.
The greed needs to be removed from certain areas of society.
The US however needs to stop importing ppl into a wounded economy, and stop exporting jobs to save a few bucks.
If you send 1 billion of pay for US workers overseas, then you take 1 billion out of the US economy and tax structure.
You break the cycle, like the issues with the US trade deficit.
They bemoan that, but when it comes to the worker it is the same.
I am sorry you got such a horrible deal, and you are right, as long as greed is making the decisions, no one is safe.
Also the US has just seen the tip of the iceberg in the loss of jobs.
Any and all good paying jobs that can afford the high cost of coastal cities are going to be outsourced here or sent over there.
The greed will drive the race to the bottom.
Good Luck to you and everyone else, I have made the choice to work for myself, and start my own service company.
The government was bought off, and was lied to that we needed infinite IT workers, when all they really wanted was infinitely cheaper IT workers.
Just like the vast majority of clothing is made outside the US, even Levi jeans now, they want to ship any job that has a differential labor cost overseas, or import the labor here.
Differential labor cost = They do it cheaper somewhere else.
The flipside is if we cannot get them to do it there, we will ship the visa workers here.
When these countries do not have to provide a safe work environment, or adhere to our labor laws, or pay our tax rates, or pay the MUCH higer level of rent how can we hope to compete.
We cannot . Our TAX BURDEN alone is enormous.
Most items are taxed close to tens times from raw materials til it enters your hands here, all the TAX BURDEN is passed on to the consumer.
As for hoping it will fail, it did not with all the other jobs that went overseas, and I expect a repeat performance.
This race to the bottom will make every US job outsourced.
As the corporation and the politician and Lawyers have no soul, it is up to the ppl of the US to do something about this.
A VERY few politicians like the ones in the article, and small handful of others like Tancredo, care what happens to jobs.
The others are on the dole, the payola, the lobbyist has its marionette strings firmly attached.
Our political puppets need a wake up call or there will be ALOT more ppl out of work in the next few years . Not just coders.
If they can code, can be doctors, can be construction workers, can be government employees, they can do any job here.
You say an Indian programmer would have a hard time getting a job here ??? You are so wrong . Why ?? Because there are "entire" companies setup to bring Visa workers to the US from India and other countries. 9-11 slowed it somewhat, but it is still going on under the L-1 Visa program and to a lesser extent under H1-b.
Tatia = http://www.tcs.com/ This is just one of many.
The ITAA was bought off to the tune of $22 million by Cisco, M$, Sun, and a plethora of others to lie before congress and keep the cheap labor flowing in, while jobs were already flowing outbound at the same time. It was not enough to displace workers on US soil, but also to can them and send the job overseas. At least when we import non-citizens they spend "some" money here, though they often do not pay into Social Security, local taxes, federal taxes, state taxes , but use all the services a citizen does. This unequal ground makes it impossible for the US worker to achieve parity. The corporations in their blind greed just keep running the race to the bottom. If you look at ANY corporation in the US you can outsource over 50% of the jobs with no trouble. Go to a construction site in the southern US and find out how many ppl speak fluent english. They could build Socialist corporate housing, bring in L1 visa workers to live in the equivalent of corporate sponsored section 8 housing which they can take as a tax deduction and deduct that from the workers pay, and displace the entire US work force in 20 years if they wanted to.
If they can take the jobs of engineers, programmers, manufacturers, technicians, doctors, nurses, etc etc. What job as the article claims are you going to creatively do ???? It is obvious to me that if they can do the jobs of the best and brightest here, then they can do any job here. Which leads me to a recommendation, This is a representative democracy, I say we outsource the government.
They are corrupt, taking $22 million on payola for the vote on H1-b visas, and so on . This vote took place after the DOT BOMB went off and IT had achieved the glide profile of a wounded anvil with lead wings. Let's outsource the corrupt politicians, we can replace them with indians who vote based on opinion polls. They just vote what the ppl they represent want. pretty simple, prolly make for some happy americans.
50% of america is so disgusted with the corruption they do not even show up to vote.
It's Cheaper, and it is a TRUE representative democracy . Let's Outsource the Crooks.
Talk about balancing the budget, wow, we will save billions !!! There is NO jobs that cannot be outsourced at this time. By bringing them here to the US they can do anything that we do.
We have ppl born in the middle east working at the CIA and FBI, and we have ppl from other countries working any and every job you can imagine , there is no limit.
The L1 visa has NO yearly limit, if they wanted to run Amok with it, there is no stopping them.
Free citizenship for border jumpers that cannot read the traffic signs is idiocy, passing out every job deemed too highly paid is idiocy.
ALOT of these foreign workers hate it here and send the majority of their pay home, that money leaves the US economy never to return.
We here ppl cry about the trade deficit, wake up ppl.
First let me say that yes I am biased, I am an american.
I can be considered further biased because me and ALOT of ppl I know have lost their jobs to it.
So in the best objectivity I can muster here are some reasons I think it is bad.
1) Money sent outside the US for third world labor stays there, thus money that used to pay ppl here, to pay taxes, to buy food, to further employ americans in a trickle down effect is gone.
2) If we were to pay US workers third world wages, and have third world labor laws, we would be breaking US law.
*** So are we gonna lower minimum wage to 50 cents/hour ???
3) If you did pay lower than minimum wage to workers, would they all have to be sponsored by the government and go on welfare and increase the already burgeoning working poor caste.
4) The value of the dollar has been steadily falling, what are the implications on real estate, US investments, trade ???
5) Huge layoffs create bankruptcies, repossesions, forfeitures, and broken homes, and broken marriages . Money being one of the top 3 reasons for divorce.
6) Even with a increase recently in GDP not seen in 20 years, little to no hiring is occuring.
7) Companies that reveal their internal secrets overseas may just find new foreign companies making their products for even less, after the plans were just copied by former cheap labor. With no recourse thru US patent law, etc etc, they experience a TOTAL loss of market share as the foreign government chooses to support their own ppl.
8) Unemployment figures do not count those that are no longer eligible for checks , they are no longer considered unemployed.
9) The US cannot compete equally on unequal ground, we have a huge tax overhead, and cost of living here is too high to compete with countries that have poor humanitarian labor laws.
10) US companies are going overseas and thru negligence are creating disasters like Bhopal in India . They act above the law and thousands die from it.
http://www.bhopal.org/
The so called race to the bottom has negative aspects that I feel will create even more hate for the US, within and without and there is already a sense of a Elitist class in this country.
The funny thing is they expect to be protected by some of the poor they pay to serve in the military, but in recent polls soldiers were ask if they would defend the rich against an uprising of the poor, you can guess the answer.
Peace, Ex-MislTech
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I think you have been bitten by trolls under the bridge .
You say it is not a race to the bottom, I beg to differ .
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All that has to happen is china decides to enter this game
with ppl working for less than the ppl in India, and the price
goes down another notch
China is already the fastest growing mercantile power in the
world, if they reinvest in themselves to the tune of IT,
not only will US coders be S.O.L. , but so will the ppl of India
A more moderate gradual shift of labor is needed instead of
"OPEN THE FLOOD GATES !" being the cry of the cheap labor seeking MBA's
Any and all jobs in the US can be outsourced, and if it happens
it will crush the US economy and ppl will leave the over priced
cities in droves and cause a collapse of the economy
You'll see communal living where families live on small parcels
of land getting their food from gardens to save money , and
with less ppl paying into the welfare system and tax base
it will start a NEVER ENDING DOWNWARD SPIRAL as Trent Reznor said
When their are no well paid US workers to eat out, the
restaurants will start getting less business, when there
are no well paid US workers to go to the mall, malls will
start closing
I tell everyone that asks me, DO NOT become a programmer,
it has been sold out
Like a snake eating it's own tail, it cannot work
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
If someone can do a job cheaper, they should get the job .
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Let's check this logic
All jobs in the US can be done by someone else from another
country, by bringing them here via L1 visa or sending the
job overseas
Thus, we end up with millions of bankruptcies, repossesions,
and foreclosures, all costing billions of dollars
Even the lawyers could be outsourced
Even the court clerks filing the death slips of america
could be outsourced
We could outsource the police force to go and bodily remove
ppl from their homess and cars
I think the "race to the bottom" logic misses the point
Destablizing the largest economy in the world will send shockwaves
thru the entire world
I for one think that shafting millions of US workers will
have a long term negative impact on this country
There are NO jobs that cannot be outsourced
If over 50% of the jobs are worked by imported hispanics,
or imported visa workers, or sent overseas , it will be the
beginning of the end of the US
It is like a snake eating it own tail
The world's largest economy is about to collapse under its
own greed, because its largest consumer
to be replaced by someone that will not spend the majority
of their money here, they will send it home
They will not put it in US banks, they will put it in foreign banks
Most of the imported labor hates the US, but loves its money
The only loyalty is to the bottom line
This will cause a ripple effect thru every sector, and once it
gets enough momentum ppl will be leaving the big cities in droves
due to their outrageous costs
The burden to welfare and other social services will
not be supportable as less money will be paid in, as the foreign
contract workers do not pay into our system
Thus it will collapse like a house of cards
No more welfare, no more jobs, no more anything
Finito
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
You are on target here .
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Foreign labor sends US revenue overseas
A US worker would spend the money here, put the money in US banks
A Foreign worker is going to send it home to his family
Money that would circulate within the US monetary system is
instead "leaked" away and money that would stay here, and be
spent here, is just gone
Meanwhile bankruptcies, repossesions, and credit collapse
starts to affect the entire system as millions are displaced
All those unemployment checks cost REAL money, all those
court hearings for foreclosures and bankruptcies cost real money
Tax revenues drop as money leaves the US economy
I think the math is pretty simple
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
The national geographic article shows the uneven ground .
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between the US and India
Those ppl can work for low wages in India, because of the
Caste system has some ppl working beneath them much like slaves
Look at the laws/policies nd labor laws here in the US , and
you see the US cannot compete on price when the other country
is exempt from labor laws, TAX burden, and many other points
It is not equal ground
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Great post amigo, I have done alot of what you have said since .
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it all went down with the DOT BOMB, my level of disgust was
pretty monumental
I just want to thank you for lining it all out, and there are
alot of ppl out there who can start their own small corporation
for less than $100 and shelter their earnings thru expenses
just like the big corporations
Just find your niche' and do your thing, and work a part time
job if you have to til things get rolling good
Good Luck to all !!!
The days or working as a high paid ANYTHING are numbered
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Lobbying the US government by non-citizens ...
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It would be like me paying off russian officials, to disadvantage
their fellow russians, I'd prolly get a bullet in the back
Lobbying, ie. paying off US senators, etc, to take away jobs
from the ppl that voted them into office is NOT a representative
democracy
To participate in the US government, ie. affect/effect US law/policy
you are suppose to be a US citizen
What in effect you are doing by lobbying is a foreign power/entity
is affecting/effecting the votes of our representatives
You are paying them money to nullify what the US workers want
It would be like me paying off Indian officials to do something
that would economically disadvantage the Indian ppl
Like the article states, they had riots when Pizza Hut opened
up in India, how would they feel if we put millions of ppl out
of work after they paid tens of thousands for an education ????
Foreign powers should not be able to buy votes in the US
For now though, it is going on and in a major way
Fortunate for the ppl of India, the US ppl typically only care
about their football, baseball, basketball, or whatever their
diversion on TV is, and we are a bunch of sheeple now
Only the coders with no jobs who are just a FEW million care
about this issue, and in this country the rednecks deride us
as "geeks" , so as long as the jobs are sold out one sect at
a time not enough ppl care to get any momentum
So it goes
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
I am not in favor of Visa workers, but you definitely got screwed .
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I think you should have been treated differently
I for one do not think you or ALOT of foreign born ppl are
stupid, and I remember the US missile and nuclear scientists
were almost all immigrants
If not for immigrants the US would be speaking japanese or german,
and the jewish folk would not be speaking at all
I think the point some of the angry US coders are trying to make
is that if your country is in bad shape and you are proud of it
as you seem to be, then work with your fellow ppl to fix it
Instead of working for dell, start your own dell over there,
and show them how its done
It's just a matter of time before an Indian gets the balls
to go into competition with the US companies over there,
and it is how it should really be in my opinion
Write a Linux replacement for windows as a community project
and sell it world wide and send M$ to its knees
I once again agree, you got screwed, and you were mislead
in a huge way . The US has started using their colleges
as profit centers , and they should not be used that way
Education should be the right of all on the planet
If anyone has the will to learn, they should get to learn
They should not have to pay but a minimal amount to have access
to a online internet based education system
I am no socialist, I am no communist, but ppl should not live
in fear of lack of food, education, medicine
The greed needs to be removed from certain areas of society
The US however needs to stop importing ppl into a wounded
economy, and stop exporting jobs to save a few bucks
If you send 1 billion of pay for US workers overseas, then
you take 1 billion out of the US economy and tax structure
You break the cycle, like the issues with the US trade deficit
They bemoan that, but when it comes to the worker it is the same.
I am sorry you got such a horrible deal, and you are right
as long as greed is making the decisions, no one is safe
Also the US has just seen the tip of the iceberg in the loss of jobs.
Any and all good paying jobs that can afford the high cost of
coastal cities are going to be outsourced here or sent over there
The greed will drive the race to the bottom
Good Luck to you and everyone else, I have made the choice to
work for myself, and start my own service company
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
They are modding it troll because they are biased .
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"News Flash" there are biased modders on slashdot
* Shocking *
News at 11 !
Alot of ppl that post/read slashdot are NOT americans
Question their opinions and you will be treated like the
lower caste over there, or how women are treated by
fundalmentalist muslims
Word to your mother !
LOL
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
The government was bought off, and was lied to that we needed .
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infinite IT workers, when all they really wanted was infinitely
cheaper IT workers
Just like the vast majority of clothing is made outside the US,
even Levi jeans now, they want to ship any job that has a
differential labor cost overseas, or import the labor here
Differential labor cost = They do it cheaper somewhere else
The flipside is if we cannot get them to do it there, we will
ship the visa workers here
When these countries do not have to provide a safe work environment,
or adhere to our labor laws, or pay our tax rates, or pay
the MUCH higer level of rent how can we hope to compete
We cannot . Our TAX BURDEN alone is enormous
Most items are taxed close to tens times from raw materials
til it enters your hands here, all the TAX BURDEN is passed on
to the consumer
As for hoping it will fail, it did not with all the other jobs
that went overseas, and I expect a repeat performance
This race to the bottom will make every US job outsourced
As the corporation and the politician and Lawyers have no soul,
it is up to the ppl of the US to do something about this
A VERY few politicians like the ones in the article, and small
handful of others like Tancredo, care what happens to jobs
The others are on the dole, the payola, the lobbyist has its
marionette strings firmly attached
Our political puppets need a wake up call or there will be ALOT
more ppl out of work in the next few years . Not just coders
If they can code, can be doctors, can be construction workers,
can be government employees, they can do any job here
Including yours !
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
You say an Indian programmer would have a hard time getting a . .
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job here ??? You are so wrong . Why ??
Because there are "entire" companies setup to bring Visa workers
to the US from India and other countries
9-11 slowed it somewhat, but it is still going on under the
L-1 Visa program and to a lesser extent under H1-b
Tatia = http://www.tcs.com/ This is just one of many
The ITAA was bought off to the tune of $22 million by Cisco,
M$, Sun, and a plethora of others to lie before congress and
keep the cheap labor flowing in, while jobs were already
flowing outbound at the same time
It was not enough to displace workers on US soil, but also to can them and send the job overseas
At least when we import non-citizens they spend "some" money
here, though they often do not pay into Social Security,
local taxes, federal taxes, state taxes , but use all the
services a citizen does
This unequal ground makes it impossible for the US worker to achieve parity
The corporations in their blind greed just keep running the race to the bottom
If you look at ANY corporation in the US you can outsource
over 50% of the jobs with no trouble
Go to a construction site in the southern US and find out
how many ppl speak fluent english
They could build Socialist corporate housing, bring in L1 visa
workers to live in the equivalent of corporate sponsored
section 8 housing which they can take as a tax deduction
and deduct that from the workers pay, and displace the entire
US work force in 20 years if they wanted to
If they can take the jobs of engineers, programmers, manufacturers,
technicians, doctors, nurses, etc etc
What job as the article claims are you going to creatively do ????
It is obvious to me that if they can do the jobs of the best
and brightest here, then they can do any job here
Which leads me to a recommendation, This is a representative
democracy, I say we outsource the government
They are corrupt, taking $22 million on payola for the vote
on H1-b visas, and so on . This vote took place after
the DOT BOMB went off and IT had achieved the glide profile
of a wounded anvil with lead wings
Let's outsource the corrupt politicians, we can replace them
with indians who vote based on opinion polls
They just vote what the ppl they represent want
pretty simple, prolly make for some happy americans
50% of america is so disgusted with the corruption they do not even show up to vote
It's Cheaper, and it is a TRUE representative democracy . Let's Outsource the Crooks
Talk about balancing the budget, wow, we will save billions !!!
There is NO jobs that cannot be outsourced at this time
By bringing them here to the US they can do anything that we do
We have ppl born in the middle east working at the CIA and FBI,
and we have ppl from other countries working any and every job
you can imagine , there is no limit
The L1 visa has NO yearly limit, if they wanted to run Amok with it, there is no stopping them
Free citizenship for border jumpers that cannot read the traffic
signs is idiocy, passing out every job deemed too highly paid
is idiocy
ALOT of these foreign workers hate it here and send the majority
of their pay home, that money leaves the US economy never to return
We here ppl cry about the trade deficit, wake up ppl
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
SBC DSL is $26/ a month for now, it's a promotion, but it is .
not that expensive
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Well by and large they do speak english, but as a 2nd language, .
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and the dialect/accent can be so thick their english is hard
to understand
If they are rushed to make quota then the accented english
is even harder to understand
Also by and large americans are rude and impatient
Call us the 7-11 generation, lol
It makes for a nasty combination
Ex-MislTech
First let me say that yes I am biased, I am an american .
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I can be considered further biased because me and ALOT of
ppl I know have lost their jobs to it
So in the best objectivity I can muster here are some reasons
I think it is bad
1) Money sent outside the US for third world labor stays there,
thus money that used to pay ppl here, to pay taxes, to buy
food, to further employ americans in a trickle down effect is gone
2) If we were to pay US workers third world wages, and have
third world labor laws, we would be breaking US law
*** So are we gonna lower minimum wage to 50 cents/hour ???
3) If you did pay lower than minimum wage to workers, would
they all have to be sponsored by the government and go on welfare
and increase the already burgeoning working poor caste
4) The value of the dollar has been steadily falling, what are
the implications on real estate, US investments, trade ???
5) Huge layoffs create bankruptcies, repossesions, forfeitures,
and broken homes, and broken marriages . Money being one of
the top 3 reasons for divorce
6) Even with a increase recently in GDP not seen in 20 years,
little to no hiring is occuring
7) Companies that reveal their internal secrets overseas may
just find new foreign companies making their products for even
less, after the plans were just copied by former cheap labor
With no recourse thru US patent law, etc etc, they experience a
TOTAL loss of market share as the foreign government chooses to
support their own ppl
8) Unemployment figures do not count those that are no longer
eligible for checks , they are no longer considered unemployed
9) The US cannot compete equally on unequal ground, we have a
huge tax overhead, and cost of living here is too high to
compete with countries that have poor humanitarian labor laws
10) US companies are going overseas and thru negligence are
creating disasters like Bhopal in India . They act above the
law and thousands die from it
http://www.bhopal.org/
The so called race to the bottom has negative aspects that
I feel will create even more hate for the US, within and
without and there is already a sense of a Elitist class in
this country
The funny thing is they expect to be protected by some of the
poor they pay to serve in the military, but in recent polls
soldiers were ask if they would defend the rich against
an uprising of the poor, you can guess the answer
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
over....and out !
Ex-MislTech
This explains why you cannot see the gear on the moon, .
h tm
something akin to ocular resolution
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/noluncon.
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
It's not oil , but it would be used for similar reasons, .
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and will make whatever country achieves it the superpower
of all time
I think it is foremost in China's reasons for going to the moon
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Chk it out :
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
I will help fund it if I can get 1% of the value of .
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the Helium-3 up there , LOL
So I can buy a country of my own , hahaha
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
A better plan from Space.com ....
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Another reason besides the Chinese ...
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
If it is worth more than oil, they will be interested .
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, .
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Purely for the sake of science and mankind, no, not this time.
And in fact last time it was a race against russia
not any altruistic gesture
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0006 30.html
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
One of the main reasons for returning to the moon is Helium-3 .
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
H3 is the reason to go back to the moon .
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_0
Peace,
Ex-MislTech