100 years of FLAT would mean that their profit stays the same for 100 years.
It would be like saying that because they only make $1 billion USD net, they cannot possible survive unless they make more.
Flat performance is the same as you not getting a raise all year.
If they want a raise they will just trade Visa workers for citizens, like the other corporate scum bags.
M$ is not going anywhere , anytime soon, just like you said.
I am just saying this to clarify to ppl that flat performance just means they did not increase their revenue rate.
If you wanna see M$ go, take an active hand in doing so, promote deployments of it, get the word out.
I think a special on the History Channel, Discovery Channel, or other shows would go a long ways to getting the word out to the masses . The OSS movement could use the exposure too.
All the ppl I know have little to know idea about linux or how far it is has come because they don't see much on TV about it, or read much in the mainstream news about it.
Hopefully something major will happen to change this.
If it is a Sonet based or SDH based network it will most likely be a series of rings, so that is a line is cut at one point the ring will automatically reroute the other direct.
So called "Sonet Rings" are becoming common here in the US because ppl like to employ the fiber seeking backhoe.
Yes, this is true, even DWDM optically split routes are pre-planned, but here of late some can be signalled out of band remotely to change their traffic patterns.
It is not routing in the electrical sense, but at least it is zero latency, LOL.
See "Section 4.0 : Conclusions" at the bottom of the above mentioned webpage.
Routing can be done electrically in the SDH path layers, or optically in the OC layer. Electrical routing is a logical operation, while optical routing is physically implemented.
Optical routing provides flexibility. It has a coarse granularity (e.g.: STM-16) and avoids using huge DXCs in high-capacity networks.
In general, DXCs will always be used, since finer granularity routing of traffic (VC-4 and VC-12 level) will be needed.
Yes, Long Haul single-mode fiber can carry signal many miles before needing a inline amplifying module.
Speeds verified here as well:
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber
Before they went bankrupt Global Crossing strung undersea cable over most of the earth that did not have fiber, but did have major technologically advanced cities.
Here is some good info on Under Sea cables, and speeds that were higher than 100 Mbps a LONG time ago.
Here is a sample map of some of the cable laid by global crossing before their CEO ripped them off, bankrupted the company, and ran off with $500 million USD.
http://www.telegeography.com/maps/cable/
Here is a link to inline fiber amplification, even under water.
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_amplifier
Now Global Crossing is on the auction block to China even though some of the DoD netowrk runs on it, LOL.
Hows that for hilarous, the Chinese may own the fiber that carries the DoD traffic . How screwed up is that.
The US has become the largest sell out in the world.
The ITU is based in France, and by and large is better suited at kicking off a project like this with the backing of all the Euro-Telco Corporations.
If they could get them to cooperate, current in the ground dark fiber could be lit end to end and plug into Trans-Atlantic cable, and a fiber bundle leading into Russia.
100 Mbps is really slow, a OC-3 is 155 Mbps, and 40Gbps links are now in service in the US and elsewhere.
In Europe I think they are rated as STM-x.
Sonet lines already cross europe with speeds FAR beyond 100 Mbps.
SDH, synchronous digital hiearchy is the primary backbone for voice and data , but the gear is PRICEY.
DWDM and OTDM can wrap multiple Sonet/ATM signals by frequency multiplexing , and time multiplexing and can send huge amounts of data down a single strand fo fiber.
Thus the 40 Gbps , OC-768's that are now being used.
They could really do alot better than a pair of OC-1's.
With some of the newer Telecom technologies they could hit speads of 40 Giga-bits per second if they wanted, most likely faster as my knowledge is somewhat dated, ie. 2001.
I know Nortel was working on sending 160 Tera-bits down a single strand of fiber, and I have seen working gear that pushes 40 Giga-bits 2 years ago.
Here is a article from 1999 that said they hit 1.6 Tera:
>We have this problem in our datacenters at times. Projects end >or people don't need the servers anymore and don't RTS them. >Time comes when theres a problem or we need to know who owns >a server. When nobody fesses up we just shut it off till >somebody screams.
I call this Cowboy networking, the way a data center should be run is that all equipment that goes in the door is inventoried by serial #, and it's exact Rack/Row location is in a spreadsheet or database.
At Cisco it was on a webpage using Perl written by a good friend of mine that also worked there.
Ppl could put in requests to have the network re-routed to fit their needs, and me and the other lab rats made it happen.
If we did not document the changes, and new gear our Supervisor would tear into use like the Tazmanian devil.
Every single V.35, Rj-48, Rj-45 jack in that place was labelled, and you could trace it end to end just by reading the labels.
Before a project could go in it had to be drawn up, and names given to the servers/routers/switches going into the racks.
The best thing China could do is build a series of service conduits over all of their major cities.
Put alarms on the access panels, doors, etc.
Europe and the US has already been thru this, they could learn alot from our mistake and our innovations.
With the MUCH larger population there, they are going to need to scale accordingly, perhaps plan for 4 times what you expect.
Like most big Telco carriers in the US they could gave a NOC, and could monitor all the different cables thru a networked monitoring system . In the long run it would save them billions.
In the short term it would cost alot, and would be alot of work.
It would be an awesome project, I'd like to work on it.
From what I saw on the History Channe's special ALOT of ships were moving in and out of there with ALOT of cargo.
It's true, it is not New York harbor, but I think some amount of direct shipping is still going on there . But it goes from ship to Semi truck instead of railhead.
Railrods due to unions have become VERY expensive, where as Semi's are often owner operator and they compete against each other . Most trucking is done with big freight trucking companies though like CFI, and several others.
Understand the size of those rivers and the amount of commerce that moves in and out of there by VERY large ships.
Understand a city that has to keep traffic moving, while upgrading their road system . If they shutdown the roads and "somehow" rebuild above ground, the economic loss would be enormous.
The big dig is more than just just a few tunnels , it is:
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/maps01.htm
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/f051502/img008.htm The Big picture, the final results in totality:
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/future.htm
Notice the results that help the environment for all those that might whine about how bad this project is for the environment.
At some point we will have hydrogen for fuel, and the pollution problem from cars/roads will be on its way to being solved.
This man may have found the way to end the reliance on oil:
You also say companies should get rid of "top heavy older workers". You mean dump all the people who know the product, how the company runs and actually do the running and replace them with new college grads like you? Hehehe... riiiight.
++++++++++
Hehehe,
I have worked jobs with fresh from college folks that are very book smart, what happened to be in the book they know very well . And some even know to use google and find what they do not know, and go a step further.
However, I have seen 25 year Telecom veterans that helped build the infrastructure of the phone system from the ground up, that know more than I can dream of with just a few years experience get canned by Cisco Systems in lieu of these cheap foreign visa workers right out of school.
An MBA in managment thinks knowledge is commoditized, and are like jello pudding packs.
They can just get another one off the shelf, and if this other brand is cheaper so be it.
The last few weeks before me, my 2nd level supervisor, and the director of the facility in herndon viriginia got laid off, we solved many heavy hitting problems, and really made a big difference in the long term R&D of the product.
It did not count for crap when the bean counters decided we were too expensive, and they had no scale to weigh our skill, experience, dedication, and long hours.
>So, if business executives want to do a 'sanity check' and see >how GE is doing *these days* - at least as far as help desk issues, >I'd say they are doing pretty well.
>Just look at the frontpage and the "iPod battery costs money= TEH >EVIL" stories. And this bigotry doesn't even rule Slashdot, it rules >the whole country and makes it on the frontpages of NY Times and >Newsweek.
I think the best but hardest solution would be a ISP Coop.
It would take some CCIE level grey matter to make it happen, and to make it affordable you have to buy a huge pipe to get the bandwidth cheaper by the dozen.
Putting in the wired Infrastructure just costs too much, thus a solution like Wi-MAX is prolly the best bet for good speed, and truly unlimited usage.
The Cable & DSL providers can dump the 1% that use 75% of the pipe, and not even blink due to the HUGE $$$ they will save.
I am suprised it took them this long to start doing it.
Does it suck ? Yeah . Is their wording false advertising ? Yeah.
They will change their Terms of Service, and can do so at any time.
Internet Coops will become feasible soon, especially in crowded areas where ppl are packed in like rats.
Directional Antenna spraying 72 Mbps like spokes on a wheel, 12 antennas , 30 degrees each, cover 360 degree Arc.
12 x 72 = 864 Mega-bits per sec.
1,000 customers paying for 1 meg links, $50 a month
If you can get 2 OC-12's for $50,000 a month ur ok, but last time I checked they were more than that.
The difference in upstream vs. downstream is that data going upstream from their network to others is billed higher.
Also Caching servers download common websites, and files and store them on the equivalent of a advanced Squid box and requests are filled from it vs. going to the true source on a remote network.
Pushing data out to other networks is much more costly for them, and thus the upstream CAP.
China is the fastest growing mercantile power in the world.
They came to realize that they can beat us at our own game, and so they are handily.
I think the stock markets may crash, but I think the idea of the WTO and free trade is going to keep moving forward.
Communism as it was is largely over.
American and European Engineers helped with the 3 gorges damn, this was unthinkable just a generation ago.
Capitalism is still growing, it is just suffering in the US.
All the ppl in all the world want things, and want to sell things.
Capitalism and Free trade fit together, they are not Utopian and do not set a "fair" price, but those styles of government have not succeeded in the world thus far.
Alot of the work is already done by someone else out there, and has been made available via one of the several open source repositories out there . I bet over half the code is already written and just needs to be gathered from other places.
They could take bits n' pieces of code written by others, and add the sub routines that are needed to fit their semi-unique needs.
What better teacher than a real world project, made and supported by the students and the teachers as the guides.
Think of the final app that could come from the brightest minds at MIT.
My god, a Community college is so stupid as to think they cannot run a freeware/open source server to run e-mail for their students.
How truly sad . How very pathetic . No wonder the same management "suit" types make such stupid decisions when the students could implement it as a project for free and use it for their portfolio.
There are open source mail servers that would handle ALOT more than 8,000 accounts, namely Sendmail.
Hell it is included with ALOT of Linux distro's.
very bizzare indeed.
This is what happens when the ignorant lead the informed.
>>Weird. Third world countries say exactly the same thing about the US.
The reason they say that is because we brought jobs over there to their country AND took their natural resources.
I do not agree with either one.
The ppl in other countries are pissed that rich US/Europeans are getting GROSSLY rich off the other countries resources and labor.
India should block foreign corporations, and develop their own industry over there.
Some ppl from Bank of America had to train their replacements, so that tells me the ppl did not even know how to do the job.
One man was so depressed about it he decided to kill himself.
This is the price of throwing ppl away like trash.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/5848767.htm It " * IS * " the race to the bottom.
Destabalizing the largest economy in the world will have an effect on the rest of the world . For now it is falsely inflating the corporate bottom line due to wages that could not afford to pay to live on the upper east coast.
Imagine a real estate collapse where no body could afford it so ppl just moved away, and left vast vacant apartment complexes and they filed bankruptcy and it spiraled out of control.
Similar to 1929, but different, same end result.
Remember Kevin Flanagan, one of many destroyed lives from corporate greed and outsourcing.
For the US to outsource every job to anyone who could do it cheaper would mean 100% unemployment.
Yes, our government is horribly wasteful, but if you look around the world other governments are as corrupt or worse, we just have more money to be corrupt with.
The reason the US is the number one economic powerhouse in the world for a SHORT while longer, is because we have such a high standard of living . Cut our standard of living, and we will fall like a lead anvil from 40,000 feet.
That fall is already in progress.
the reason it looks like a recovery right now is corporate bottom lines look better, but they are sending money out of the US that used to be spent in the US.
They are taking money out of the US cycle , and most of it does not return.
I am not pushing for a closed loop economy, but I am pushing for one that looks at huge unemployment, and bankruptcies and repos.
All the huge corporate fraud cost billions of dollars and the management KNEW what they were doing, yet they get less of a criminal punishment than someone who smoked a plant that grows naturally on the side of the road.
Who had more victims ??? who hurt more ppl ???
Go figure...
Oh and by the way, I do not smoke the herb, I have friends that do and have gone to jail.
My disgust is that laid off ppl paid tax money to put my friends in jail that do smoke the plant, and pay the salaries of bloated police forces that do not serve and protect.
There are good police, but by and large they are a source of revenue for most cities.
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Hex edit and corrupt ur own install of it, have her come by .
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the office and see that it is broke
If ya really need to use it, undo the hex edit, and say
it just started working, LOL
It can also mysteriously stop working again too
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Well....His Nick is Krashed, of course he is a Window$ user .
LOL
100 years of FLAT would mean that their profit stays the same .
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for 100 years
It would be like saying that because they only make $1 billion USD
net, they cannot possible survive unless they make more
Flat performance is the same as you not getting a raise all year
If they want a raise they will just trade Visa workers for citizens,
like the other corporate scum bags
M$ is not going anywhere , anytime soon, just like you said
I am just saying this to clarify to ppl that flat performance
just means they did not increase their revenue rate
If you wanna see M$ go, take an active hand in doing so, promote
deployments of it, get the word out
I think a special on the History Channel, Discovery Channel,
or other shows would go a long ways to getting the word out
to the masses . The OSS movement could use the exposure too
All the ppl I know have little to know idea about linux or how
far it is has come because they don't see much on TV about it,
or read much in the mainstream news about it
Hopefully something major will happen to change this
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
If it is a Sonet based or SDH based network it will .
.
most likely be a series of rings, so that is a line is
cut at one point the ring will automatically reroute
the other direct
So called "Sonet Rings" are becoming common here in the US because
ppl like to employ the fiber seeking backhoe
Yes, this is true, even DWDM optically split routes are .
.
pre-planned, but here of late some can be signalled out of
band remotely to change their traffic patterns
It is not routing in the electrical sense, but at least it is
zero latency, LOL
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Yeah , your right, almost always they talk in bits per second .
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Did not notice they were using bytes versus bits
If they can get it to 10 Giga-Bytes per sec, they will
have one helluva link
There are now Optically routed networks .
D M/ Proceedings/Paper16.html
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http://www.eurescom.de/~public-seminars/1998/OA
See "Section 4.0 : Conclusions" at the bottom of the above
mentioned webpage
Routing can be done electrically in the SDH path layers, or optically in the OC layer. Electrical routing is a logical operation, while optical routing is physically implemented.
Optical routing provides flexibility. It has a coarse granularity (e.g.: STM-16) and avoids using huge DXCs in high-capacity networks.
In general, DXCs will always be used, since finer granularity routing of traffic (VC-4 and VC-12 level) will be needed.
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Yes, Long Haul single-mode fiber can carry signal many miles .
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before needing a inline amplifying module
Speeds verified here as well
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber
Before they went bankrupt Global Crossing strung undersea
cable over most of the earth that did not have fiber, but
did have major technologically advanced cities
Here is some good info on Under Sea cables, and speeds that
were higher than 100 Mbps a LONG time ago
http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_cables_se
Here is a sample map of some of the cable laid by global crossing
before their CEO ripped them off, bankrupted the company, and
ran off with $500 million USD
http://www.telegeography.com/maps/cable/
Here is a link to inline fiber amplification, even under water
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_amplifier
Now Global Crossing is on the auction block to China even though
some of the DoD netowrk runs on it, LOL
Hows that for hilarous, the Chinese may own the fiber that
carries the DoD traffic . How screwed up is that
The US has become the largest sell out in the world
The ITU is based in France, and by and large is better suited .
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at kicking off a project like this with the backing of all
the Euro-Telco Corporations
If they could get them to cooperate, current in the ground
dark fiber could be lit end to end and plug into Trans-Atlantic
cable, and a fiber bundle leading into Russia
100 Mbps is really slow, a OC-3 is 155 Mbps, and 40Gbps links
are now in service in the US and elsewhere
In Europe I think they are rated as STM-x
Sonet lines already cross europe with speeds FAR beyond 100 Mbps
SDH, synchronous digital hiearchy is the primary backbone
for voice and data , but the gear is PRICEY
DWDM and OTDM can wrap multiple Sonet/ATM signals by
frequency multiplexing , and time multiplexing and can
send huge amounts of data down a single strand fo fiber
Thus the 40 Gbps , OC-768's that are now being used
They could really do alot better than a pair of OC-1's
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
With some of the newer Telecom technologies they could hit .
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5 46 73084/p1/article.jhtml
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speads of 40 Giga-bits per second if they wanted, most
likely faster as my knowledge is somewhat dated, ie. 2001
I know Nortel was working on sending 160 Tera-bits down a
single strand of fiber, and I have seen working gear that
pushes 40 Giga-bits 2 years ago
Here is a article from 1999 that said they hit 1.6 Tera
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0CGC/19_25/
There is now 10 Giga-bit Ethernet
www.10gea.org
The Telecom links always outpace the current Ethernet high end
by usually a sizeable amount
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
>We have this problem in our datacenters at times. Projects end
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.
.
.
.
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>or people don't need the servers anymore and don't RTS them.
>Time comes when theres a problem or we need to know who owns
>a server. When nobody fesses up we just shut it off till
>somebody screams.
I call this Cowboy networking, the way a data center should be run
is that all equipment that goes in the door is inventoried by
serial #, and it's exact Rack/Row location is in a spreadsheet
or database
At Cisco it was on a webpage using Perl written by a good friend
of mine that also worked there
Ppl could put in requests to have the network re-routed to fit
their needs, and me and the other lab rats made it happen
If we did not document the changes, and new gear our Supervisor
would tear into use like the Tazmanian devil
Every single V.35, Rj-48, Rj-45 jack in that place was labelled,
and you could trace it end to end just by reading the labels
Before a project could go in it had to be drawn up, and names
given to the servers/routers/switches going into the racks
The best thing China could do is build a series of service
conduits over all of their major cities
Put alarms on the access panels, doors, etc
Europe and the US has already been thru this, they could learn
alot from our mistake and our innovations
With the MUCH larger population there, they are going to need to
scale accordingly, perhaps plan for 4 times what you expect
Like most big Telco carriers in the US they could gave a NOC,
and could monitor all the different cables thru a networked
monitoring system . In the long run it would save them billions
In the short term it would cost alot, and would be alot of work
It would be an awesome project, I'd like to work on it
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Wow, I am suprised .
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.
From what I saw on the History Channe's special ALOT of ships
were moving in and out of there with ALOT of cargo
It's true, it is not New York harbor, but I think some amount
of direct shipping is still going on there . But it goes from
ship to Semi truck instead of railhead
Railrods due to unions have become VERY expensive, where as
Semi's are often owner operator and they compete against
each other . Most trucking is done with big freight trucking
companies though like CFI, and several others
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Here is a map of Boston .
q T& csz=boston%2C+ma&country=us
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http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0T
Understand the size of those rivers and the amount of
commerce that moves in and out of there by VERY large ships
Understand a city that has to keep traffic moving, while
upgrading their road system . If they shutdown the roads
and "somehow" rebuild above ground, the economic loss would
be enormous
The big dig is more than just just a few tunnels , it is
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/maps01.htm
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/f051502/img008.htm
The Big picture, the final results in totality
http://www.bigdig.com/thtml/future.htm
Notice the results that help the environment for all those
that might whine about how bad this project is for the
environment
At some point we will have hydrogen for fuel, and the pollution
problem from cars/roads will be on its way to being solved
This man may have found the way to end the reliance on oil
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,544
http://www.melisenergy.com/
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
You also say companies should get rid of "top heavy older workers".
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.
.
.
.
.
.
You mean dump all the people who know the product, how the company
runs and actually do the running and replace them with new college
grads like you? Hehehe... riiiight.
++++++++++
Hehehe,
I have worked jobs with fresh from college folks that are
very book smart, what happened to be in the book they know
very well . And some even know to use google and find what
they do not know, and go a step further
However, I have seen 25 year Telecom veterans that helped build
the infrastructure of the phone system from the ground up,
that know more than I can dream of with just a few years
experience get canned by Cisco Systems in lieu of these cheap
foreign visa workers right out of school
An MBA in managment thinks knowledge is commoditized, and are
like jello pudding packs
They can just get another one off the shelf, and if this other
brand is cheaper so be it
The last few weeks before me, my 2nd level supervisor, and
the director of the facility in herndon viriginia got laid off,
we solved many heavy hitting problems, and really made a
big difference in the long term R&D of the product
It did not count for crap when the bean counters decided we
were too expensive, and they had no scale to weigh our skill,
experience, dedication, and long hours
They did not even work in the SAME state as us
Cest La Vie...
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
>So, if business executives want to do a 'sanity check' and see
...
>how GE is doing *these days* - at least as far as help desk issues,
>I'd say they are doing pretty well.
Hmmm, wonder if you
1) Own GE stock
2) work for GE or one of subsidiaries
3) Are of foreign ancestry
4) All of the Above
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
>Just look at the frontpage and the "iPod battery costs money= TEH >EVIL" stories. And this bigotry doesn't even rule Slashdot, it rules >the whole country and makes it on the frontpages of NY Times and >Newsweek.
Ipod battery, not made in US
Not very relevant eh ?
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Well if the servers eventually end up in a country that .
does not care about file sharing, then it will float
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
I think the best but hardest solution would be a ISP Coop .
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It would take some CCIE level grey matter to make it happen,
and to make it affordable you have to buy a huge pipe to
get the bandwidth cheaper by the dozen
Putting in the wired Infrastructure just costs too much, thus
a solution like Wi-MAX is prolly the best bet for good speed,
and truly unlimited usage
The Cable & DSL providers can dump the 1% that use 75% of the
pipe, and not even blink due to the HUGE $$$ they will save
I am suprised it took them this long to start doing it
Does it suck ? Yeah . Is their wording false advertising ? Yeah
They will change their Terms of Service, and can do so at any time
Internet Coops will become feasible soon, especially in crowded
areas where ppl are packed in like rats
Directional Antenna spraying 72 Mbps like spokes on a wheel
12 antennas , 30 degrees each, cover 360 degree Arc
12 x 72 = 864 Mega-bits per sec
1,000 customers paying for 1 meg links, $50 a month
If you can get 2 OC-12's for $50,000 a month ur ok,
but last time I checked they were more than that
Hell a OC-3 is nearly $10,000 a month
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
The difference in upstream vs. downstream .
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is that data going upstream from their
network to others is billed higher
Also Caching servers download common websites,
and files and store them on the equivalent
of a advanced Squid box and requests are
filled from it vs. going to the true
source on a remote network
Pushing data out to other networks is much
more costly for them, and thus the upstream CAP.
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
See Subject , hehe .
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
China is the fastest growing mercantile power in the world .
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They came to realize that they can beat us at our own game,
and so they are handily
I think the stock markets may crash, but I think the idea
of the WTO and free trade is going to keep moving forward
Communism as it was is largely over
American and European Engineers helped with the 3 gorges damn,
this was unthinkable just a generation ago
Capitalism is still growing, it is just suffering in the US
All the ppl in all the world want things, and want to sell things
Capitalism and Free trade fit together, they are not Utopian
and do not set a "fair" price, but those styles of government
have not succeeded in the world thus far
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
No kidding ...
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.
...
Alot of the work is already done by someone else out there,
and has been made available via one of the several open source
repositories out there . I bet over half the code is already
written and just needs to be gathered from other places
They could take bits n' pieces of code written by others,
and add the sub routines that are needed to fit their
semi-unique needs
What better teacher than a real world project, made and supported
by the students and the teachers as the guides
Think of the final app that could come from the brightest minds
at MIT
Oh well , Cest La Vie
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
My god, a Community college is so stupid as to think they .
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cannot run a freeware/open source server to run e-mail
for their students
How truly sad . How very pathetic . No wonder the same
management "suit" types make such stupid decisions when
the students could implement it as a project for free
and use it for their portfolio
There are open source mail servers that would handle ALOT
more than 8,000 accounts, namely Sendmail
Hell it is included with ALOT of Linux distro's
very bizzare indeed
This is what happens when the ignorant lead the informed
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
>>Weird. Third world countries say exactly the same thing about the US.
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The reason they say that is because we brought jobs over there to
their country AND took their natural resources
I do not agree with either one
The ppl in other countries are pissed that rich US/Europeans are
getting GROSSLY rich off the other countries resources and labor
India should block foreign corporations, and develop their
own industry over there
Some ppl from Bank of America had to train their replacements,
so that tells me the ppl did not even know how to do the job
One man was so depressed about it he decided to kill himself
This is the price of throwing ppl away like trash
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/5848767.htm
It " * IS * " the race to the bottom
Destabalizing the largest economy in the world will have an
effect on the rest of the world . For now it is falsely inflating
the corporate bottom line due to wages that could not afford
to pay to live on the upper east coast
Imagine a real estate collapse where no body could afford it
so ppl just moved away, and left vast vacant apartment complexes
and they filed bankruptcy and it spiraled out of control
Similar to 1929, but different, same end result
Remember Kevin Flanagan, one of many destroyed lives from
corporate greed and outsourcing
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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For the US to outsource every job to anyone who could do it
cheaper would mean 100% unemployment
Yes, our government is horribly wasteful, but if you look around
the world other governments are as corrupt or worse, we just
have more money to be corrupt with
The reason the US is the number one economic powerhouse in the
world for a SHORT while longer, is because we have such a high
standard of living . Cut our standard of living, and we will
fall like a lead anvil from 40,000 feet
That fall is already in progress
the reason it looks like a recovery right now is corporate
bottom lines look better, but they are sending money out of
the US that used to be spent in the US
They are taking money out of the US cycle , and most of it
does not return
I am not pushing for a closed loop economy, but I am pushing for
one that looks at huge unemployment, and bankruptcies and repos
All the huge corporate fraud cost billions of dollars and the
management KNEW what they were doing, yet they get less of a
criminal punishment than someone who smoked a plant that grows
naturally on the side of the road
Who had more victims ??? who hurt more ppl ???
Go figure
Oh and by the way, I do not smoke the herb, I have friends
that do and have gone to jail
My disgust is that laid off ppl paid tax money to put my
friends in jail that do smoke the plant, and pay the salaries
of bloated police forces that do not serve and protect
There are good police, but by and large they are a source of
revenue for most cities
Peace,
Ex-MislTech