Don't suppose you have any other cop freinds who are tech aware enough to campaign against this? I mean if the cops say they don't want the law then the politicains would look like fools to go ahead with it, if you'd do us all a good turn and talk to your union reps etc about it, maybe you could help everyone.
Perhaps you mean deliberate lax/nonexistent airport security instituted by the airlines with the approval of the US government (Clinton signed off on it) so they could make a few more pennies.
and you can add -
d. A failure of the US "intelligence" community to do anything about the people they knew were connected to Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda. Maybe if they were not so half assed about doing a good job, and were not riddled with double agents then the 11 Sept would not have happened. Unfortunately they arent going to change, laws like this will get passed and the state will become even more powerful and have evenless reason to do the Right Thing. These things usually resolve themselves with revolts / revolutions in the end.
In the second through sixth attempts to connect to the Net, Windows XP will implore consumers to sign up for something called Passport--an identification technology that, in many ways, is a key to Microsoft's future.
Maybe that shows how reluctant people will be to sign up as is not compelling enough for them to sign up at the 1st opportunity.
If Microsoft is successful, Windows XP will eventually resemble an online service like America Online, which runs on top of Windows and other operating systems. That would allow consumers to bypass AOL and other rivals altogether, essentially turning Windows into a one-stop destination that combines AOL-like services with easy access to Microsoft desktop products such as Word and Excel.
I can't ever see M$ ever running anything on a platform other than Windows. As for combining with AOL like services, well AOL has been doing that for many many years, M$ is far behind in the game, and remember AOL has ~30million users against a total Net population of >600million, having a 5% global market share is not what I would call stunning.
Through HailStorm, recently renamed.Net My Services, Microsoft envisions offering consumers and businesses a consistent set of information and services to any devices, whether they be personal computers, handheld devices or cellular phones--often at a cost to the receiver, the provider or both.
Anyone remember "Windows everywhere"? Or the cliams that COM would be running on a large number of platorms? They failed and this will too, as I said above M$ will only do this on Windows, it might licence someone to do a half asses port like with COM and use that to claim cross platform capability.
Many people would welcome the convenience of a reasonably secure mechanism that would instantly find whomever and whatever they were looking for online while allowing them to use various sites and services with a single password entered only once.
Oh yes, I and millions of others really want to hand over my credit card and other details to a reasonably secure system, just like I want to be running ISS and get hit with CR or Nimda. Of course Passport will store more than just CC details so expect there to be cases of identity theft, can you imagine tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people having to cope with having their identities stolen and used in fraudulent activities? How much might this cost the economies of the world? More than the WTC bombing? Ten times more?
In an interview with CNET News.com this summer, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates adamantly defended his company's right to evolve Windows with new features to meet market demand. "Our customers do want us to make Windows richer and more reliable," he said. "So Microsoft's commitment is to add features that customers want. If we can't add any features, then what is Windows?"
Gates questioned why AOL has not received as much criticism as Microsoft for bundling products and services. "Has AOL ever added any new features to their products?" he asked rhetorically. "They have dominant market share of all their stuff. They actually added features? Unbelievable! Who are these people adding features? What's going on here? Well, what's going on is that the PC industry is the most competitive industry that has ever been in terms of software availability and advances."
As above, AOL only has a small proportion of all Net users ~5% whereas Windows runs on ~90% of all computers, nice straw man there Bill.
Other Windows XP testers complained that the operating system's graphical appearance, which resembles that of MSN Explorer, looked like a cartoon.
Elmer FUD or Mr. Magoo?
Yet this kind of apparent contradiction is nothing new to Microsoft, which has long operated on the Darwinian assumption that the fittest of products will survive--as long as they are part of the Windows family.
Dinosaur fails to predict meteor strike / extinction, News at 11.
"It reminds me of the old story about how to boil a frog," he said. "If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will immediately jump out. But if you put a frog in a pot of warm water and slowly raise the temperature until the water boils, you have frog soup.
"Consumers aren't going to be thrown into a kettle of boiling water from the get-go, but rather enticed into an inviting, lukewarm bath, and then the temperature will be slowly raised over several release cycles."
I doubt the same tactic will work with Penguins though.
To qualify as FUD it would at the very least have had to be in the same sentence, or have made a clear value judgement on them. I don't see the expressions "these equally insecure OSs" or "Microsoft, Linux and Solaris viruses caused billions of dollars of damage".
And yet the article makes no distinction between the quality of the OSs and apps from different vendors, no graphs showing number of vulnerabilities and severity are there? Therefore it is left to the reader to draw the conclusion that Solaris and Linux as well as Windows is vulnerable to the same problems. If you go and read almost any book on influence / NLP techniques you'll soon find that it is not a common technique to lead a person in a direction and let them make the conclusion you want themto but the only way. I'd recommend everyone on/. to go and read some of those types of books, then read articles like this, as well as out and out advertising with those things in mind.
Seems like you're trying to imply that "viruses that attacked windows caused billions of dollars of damage, but viruses that attacked linux or solaris had no effect whatsoever". Although, it may be somewhat true - largely due to the scale and application of usage of the affected windows platforms vs the affected linux platforms.
No, its a matter of scale, Windows is more vulnerable,and much more damage has been caused by Windows issues than those on Linux and Solaris to date. The question is, would you rather deploy something that will cost you less upfront in the case of Linux, and less in admin, patching and script kiddie attacks, or whatever m$ advertising puts infront of you? I know many PHBs will soak up the m$ marketroid speak and deploy and then get their fingers burnt with things like Code Red and Nimda, hopefully these PHBs will be fired and go and do something that they canhandle, while cluefull types will get hired / promoted so that the business is not put in such a bad situation again.
Code Red. Lion. Sadmind. Ramen. Nimda. In the past year, computer worms with these names have attacked computer networks around the world, causing billions of dollars of damage. They paralyzed computer networks, destroyed data, and in some cases left infected computers vulnerable to future attacks.
Now what viri caused those billions of dollars of damage? Was it Linux ones or M$ ones? See they are trying to tell people that it doesnt matter which of the OSs / apps you run, they are all vulnerable to the same extent and will have equal costs when attacked. This, as many on/. know is not the case, that was the point I was making and therefore by deliberately misleading its intended audeince it qualifies as FUD.
Code Red. Lion. Sadmind. Ramen. Nimda. In the past year, computer worms with these names have attacked computer networks around the world, causing billions of dollars of damage. They paralyzed computer networks, destroyed data, and in some cases left infected computers vulnerable to future attacks
then further down -
All of these worms made use of security flaws in the systems they attacked, and if there hadn't been security vulnerabilities in Windows®, Linux, and Solaris®, none of them could have been written. This is a true statement, but it doesn't bring us any closer to a solution.
Basically they are attempting to put Solaris and Linux in the same boat as M$ware, it looks like the author Scott Culp hasnt met his quarterly quota for marketing FUD and so has thrown that *cough* article together to make up for it.
I disagree and here is why, what would happen if a company was crippled, and I don't mean the Code Red or NIMBA stuff, I mean really hurt so badly that it was put on the edge of bankrupcy by a hole in M$ software? Personally I think it would scare other companies so badly that they would be scrambling to find alternatives, and guess what? Yep, lots of OS products would suddenly look immensely attractive. What you have to understand is many business leaders are like political leaders, they don't act until there is a massive crisis that threatens their very survival, while I don't like to see any company go down and people get laid off, one big collapse because of a M$ vulnerability would surely wake CEOs up and help them make the switch.
Yes and if the person sending it had a clue they would have bred a resistant strain by infecting a few test subjects, and administering small doses of penicillin until a resistant strain took hold and then used that, lucky for us all they are too stupid.
Or you could mop the water up with say a desiccant like that is used to pack equipment (you must have seen a sacket of it come in a box with something you bought at one time or another) as thats a chemical reaction and would leave the bacteria untouched, or a very small filter like they use in semiconductor labs to filter the air, just get one with a mesh size large enough to catch the bacteria.
On second thoughts someone could infect a factory where air conditioner filters are made, that would be even more effective at killing the general population and would be very hard to detect and rectify.
More likely Oracle so they can push their ID cards, just look for the marketing line item in the annual report where it says "Biological marketing campaign".
No, they have assistants that open their mail for them, OTOH what with the economy downturn, if it continues there would be a healthy market for assistants to open your mail, and that would negate the layoffs, you might even reach full employment in the US. If it was me, I'd be more enclined to hit the distribution centres for major companies, imagine if you infected even one days supply of McDonalds buns with anthrax, or if you want to hit the "intellectual elite" just spread it over books in Amazons US warehouse operations. The fact is who ever is sending it one letter at a time obviously doesnt have enough brain cells to figure out how to use the existing distribution mechanisms of society to do the job.
Thats why US homes are converting to braodband at a rate of 12%/year see here and look where the UK is here thats right down the list at 21 acoording thethe OECD, with 0.08% penetration. Not that its effecting us or anything see here or our children see here.
Actually half right, NTL is about £25, ADSL from BT (the incumbant telecom monopoly) is £40+ ($60+), if you use BTOpenworld, BTs ISP you have your ports trottled on everything but port 80 access, i.e you getto download from peer2peer networks at around 1KB/s rather than 50KB/s that you should, see here If you use ADSL and chose another ISP, you pay £50+ ($75+). Unfortunately BT and our government has renaged on their pledge to unbundle the local loops (well ok BT have unbundled 200 lines out of 20+ million so unbundling ~0%) and so we get screwed by BT see here. My advice,from someone who was on the ADSL trails in the UK for 2 years, go with Blueyonder or NTL cable, much better service, no crap about your line being DACed, being too far from the exchange, BT having a crap ATM network or anything like that. Unfortunately the government and BT are closely linked over here, our previous ecommerce minister Patricia Hewitt was basically a PR person for BT, of all the broadband content / online service companies I know in the UK who are targeting broadband users in countries with better penetration like the US, Canada and other parts of Europe.
GWB: No Mr Putin, we didnt fire the missile, we sold that silo back in 2001, it was sold to a Miss Chech Nya, I can fax you the bill of sale if you like..
What do you think about the possibility of international treaties such as the Cybercrime treaty proposed by the Council of Europe coming into force? And if so, do you think any nation states that don't sign up will be regarded as "rouge states"? Also do you think there is any future in "alternate" states, such as Sealand that can skirt these rules, and if so how would a state go about lobbying to become a recognised nation, part of the UN etc?
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But then, I'm just a dumb-shit cop.
Don't suppose you have any other cop freinds who are tech aware enough to campaign against this? I mean if the cops say they don't want the law then the politicains would look like fools to go ahead with it, if you'd do us all a good turn and talk to your union reps etc about it, maybe you could help everyone.
b. lax/nonexistent airport security?
Perhaps you mean deliberate lax/nonexistent airport security instituted by the airlines with the approval of the US government (Clinton signed off on it) so they could make a few more pennies.
and you can add -
d. A failure of the US "intelligence" community to do anything about the people they knew were connected to Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda. Maybe if they were not so half assed about doing a good job, and were not riddled with double agents then the 11 Sept would not have happened. Unfortunately they arent going to change, laws like this will get passed and the state will become even more powerful and have evenless reason to do the Right Thing. These things usually resolve themselves with revolts / revolutions in the end.
Just what we need, more people who know little about technology trying to rein in technology.
US heads for Taliban style technology laws, News at 11
From this bit -
.Net My Services, Microsoft envisions offering consumers and businesses a consistent set of information and services to any devices, whether they be personal computers, handheld devices or cellular phones--often at a cost to the receiver, the provider or both.
Mission: Domination of the Internet
In the second through sixth attempts to connect to the Net, Windows XP will implore consumers to sign up for something called Passport--an identification technology that, in many ways, is a key to Microsoft's future.
Maybe that shows how reluctant people will be to sign up as is not compelling enough for them to sign up at the 1st opportunity.
If Microsoft is successful, Windows XP will eventually resemble an online service like America Online, which runs on top of Windows and other operating systems. That would allow consumers to bypass AOL and other rivals altogether, essentially turning Windows into a one-stop destination that combines AOL-like services with easy access to Microsoft desktop products such as Word and Excel.
I can't ever see M$ ever running anything on a platform other than Windows. As for combining with AOL like services, well AOL has been doing that for many many years, M$ is far behind in the game, and remember AOL has ~30million users against a total Net population of >600million, having a 5% global market share is not what I would call stunning.
Through HailStorm, recently renamed
Anyone remember "Windows everywhere"? Or the cliams that COM would be running on a large number of platorms? They failed and this will too, as I said above M$ will only do this on Windows, it might licence someone to do a half asses port like with COM and use that to claim cross platform capability.
Many people would welcome the convenience of a reasonably secure mechanism that would instantly find whomever and whatever they were looking for online while allowing them to use various sites and services with a single password entered only once.
Oh yes, I and millions of others really want to hand over my credit card and other details to a reasonably secure system, just like I want to be running ISS and get hit with CR or Nimda. Of course Passport will store more than just CC details so expect there to be cases of identity theft, can you imagine tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people having to cope with having their identities stolen and used in fraudulent activities? How much might this cost the economies of the world? More than the WTC bombing? Ten times more?
In an interview with CNET News.com this summer, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates adamantly defended his company's right to evolve Windows with new features to meet market demand. "Our customers do want us to make Windows richer and more reliable," he said. "So Microsoft's commitment is to add features that customers want. If we can't add any features, then what is Windows?"
Gates questioned why AOL has not received as much criticism as Microsoft for bundling products and services. "Has AOL ever added any new features to their products?" he asked rhetorically. "They have dominant market share of all their stuff. They actually added features? Unbelievable! Who are these people adding features? What's going on here? Well, what's going on is that the PC industry is the most competitive industry that has ever been in terms of software availability and advances."
As above, AOL only has a small proportion of all Net users ~5% whereas Windows runs on ~90% of all computers, nice straw man there Bill.
Other Windows XP testers complained that the operating system's graphical appearance, which resembles that of MSN Explorer, looked like a cartoon.
Elmer FUD or Mr. Magoo?
Yet this kind of apparent contradiction is nothing new to Microsoft, which has long operated on the Darwinian assumption that the fittest of products will survive--as long as they are part of the Windows family.
Dinosaur fails to predict meteor strike / extinction, News at 11.
"It reminds me of the old story about how to boil a frog," he said. "If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will immediately jump out. But if you put a frog in a pot of warm water and slowly raise the temperature until the water boils, you have frog soup.
"Consumers aren't going to be thrown into a kettle of boiling water from the get-go, but rather enticed into an inviting, lukewarm bath, and then the temperature will be slowly raised over several release cycles."
I doubt the same tactic will work with Penguins though.
To qualify as FUD it would at the very least have had to be in the same sentence, or have made a clear value judgement on them. I don't see the expressions "these equally insecure OSs" or "Microsoft, Linux and Solaris viruses caused billions of dollars of damage".
/. to go and read some of those types of books, then read articles like this, as well as out and out advertising with those things in mind.
And yet the article makes no distinction between the quality of the OSs and apps from different vendors, no graphs showing number of vulnerabilities and severity are there? Therefore it is left to the reader to draw the conclusion that Solaris and Linux as well as Windows is vulnerable to the same problems. If you go and read almost any book on influence / NLP techniques you'll soon find that it is not a common technique to lead a person in a direction and let them make the conclusion you want themto but the only way. I'd recommend everyone on
Seems like you're trying to imply that "viruses that attacked windows caused billions of dollars of damage, but viruses that attacked linux or solaris had no effect whatsoever". Although, it may be somewhat true - largely due to the scale and application of usage of the affected windows platforms vs the affected linux platforms.
No, its a matter of scale, Windows is more vulnerable,and much more damage has been caused by Windows issues than those on Linux and Solaris to date. The question is, would you rather deploy something that will cost you less upfront in the case of Linux, and less in admin, patching and script kiddie attacks, or whatever m$ advertising puts infront of you? I know many PHBs will soak up the m$ marketroid speak and deploy and then get their fingers burnt with things like Code Red and Nimda, hopefully these PHBs will be fired and go and do something that they canhandle, while cluefull types will get hired / promoted so that the business is not put in such a bad situation again.
Ok maybe I need to add more emphasis -
/. know is not the case, that was the point I was making and therefore by deliberately misleading its intended audeince it qualifies as FUD.
Code Red. Lion. Sadmind. Ramen. Nimda. In the past year, computer worms with these names have attacked computer networks around the world, causing billions of dollars of damage. They paralyzed computer networks, destroyed data, and in some cases left infected computers vulnerable to future attacks.
Now what viri caused those billions of dollars of damage? Was it Linux ones or M$ ones? See they are trying to tell people that it doesnt matter which of the OSs / apps you run, they are all vulnerable to the same extent and will have equal costs when attacked. This, as many on
Did anyone else notice this -
Code Red. Lion. Sadmind. Ramen. Nimda. In the past year, computer worms with these names have attacked computer networks around the world, causing billions of dollars of damage. They paralyzed computer networks, destroyed data, and in some cases left infected computers vulnerable to future attacks
then further down -
All of these worms made use of security flaws in the systems they attacked, and if there hadn't been security vulnerabilities in Windows®, Linux, and Solaris®, none of them could have been written. This is a true statement, but it doesn't bring us any closer to a solution.
Basically they are attempting to put Solaris and Linux in the same boat as M$ware, it looks like the author Scott Culp hasnt met his quarterly quota for marketing FUD and so has thrown that *cough* article together to make up for it.
I disagree and here is why, what would happen if a company was crippled, and I don't mean the Code Red or NIMBA stuff, I mean really hurt so badly that it was put on the edge of bankrupcy by a hole in M$ software? Personally I think it would scare other companies so badly that they would be scrambling to find alternatives, and guess what? Yep, lots of OS products would suddenly look immensely attractive. What you have to understand is many business leaders are like political leaders, they don't act until there is a massive crisis that threatens their very survival, while I don't like to see any company go down and people get laid off, one big collapse because of a M$ vulnerability would surely wake CEOs up and help them make the switch.
Thats why the British Government tested on an island of Scotland during WWII, see here
From the article -
Despite attempts to disinfect Gruinard Island, the spores left by the experiments kept the island in quarantine for 48 years.
The final WW II report on the Gruinard Island tests suggested anthrax could be used to render cities uninhabitable "for generations".
Yes and if the person sending it had a clue they would have bred a resistant strain by infecting a few test subjects, and administering small doses of penicillin until a resistant strain took hold and then used that, lucky for us all they are too stupid.
Or you could mop the water up with say a desiccant like that is used to pack equipment (you must have seen a sacket of it come in a box with something you bought at one time or another) as thats a chemical reaction and would leave the bacteria untouched, or a very small filter like they use in semiconductor labs to filter the air, just get one with a mesh size large enough to catch the bacteria.
On second thoughts someone could infect a factory where air conditioner filters are made, that would be even more effective at killing the general population and would be very hard to detect and rectify.
Thats why I use a wet sponge and wear gloves whenI mail my...err.. never mind...
"Anthrax thread" comes from the wool of sheep on the island of Gruinard in Scotland see here
More likely Oracle so they can push their ID cards, just look for the marketing line item in the annual report where it says "Biological marketing campaign".
No, they have assistants that open their mail for them, OTOH what with the economy downturn, if it continues there would be a healthy market for assistants to open your mail, and that would negate the layoffs, you might even reach full employment in the US. If it was me, I'd be more enclined to hit the distribution centres for major companies, imagine if you infected even one days supply of McDonalds buns with anthrax, or if you want to hit the "intellectual elite" just spread it over books in Amazons US warehouse operations. The fact is who ever is sending it one letter at a time obviously doesnt have enough brain cells to figure out how to use the existing distribution mechanisms of society to do the job.
Well people are buying into broadband at one hell of a rate in the US see here
Thats why US homes are converting to braodband at a rate of 12%/year see here and look where the UK is here thats right down the list at 21 acoording thethe OECD, with 0.08% penetration. Not that its effecting us or anything see here or our children see here.
Actually half right, NTL is about £25, ADSL from BT (the incumbant telecom monopoly) is £40+ ($60+), if you use BTOpenworld, BTs ISP you have your ports trottled on everything but port 80 access, i.e you getto download from peer2peer networks at around 1KB/s rather than 50KB/s that you should, see here If you use ADSL and chose another ISP, you pay £50+ ($75+). Unfortunately BT and our government has renaged on their pledge to unbundle the local loops (well ok BT have unbundled 200 lines out of 20+ million so unbundling ~0%) and so we get screwed by BT see here. My advice,from someone who was on the ADSL trails in the UK for 2 years, go with Blueyonder or NTL cable, much better service, no crap about your line being DACed, being too far from the exchange, BT having a crap ATM network or anything like that. Unfortunately the government and BT are closely linked over here, our previous ecommerce minister Patricia Hewitt was basically a PR person for BT, of all the broadband content / online service companies I know in the UK who are targeting broadband users in countries with better penetration like the US, Canada and other parts of Europe.
A camera's not like a gun. It's not something that carries that "if everybody has one" parity. What good does it do if you or I have a camera?
2 words, Rodney King
If you check the homepage you'll see there's one in Roswell, just right for the X-Filers on here...
Yeah I can see it now-
GWB: No Mr Putin, we didnt fire the missile, we sold that silo back in 2001, it was sold to a Miss Chech Nya, I can fax you the bill of sale if you like..
The money is for Dorothys bus fare back from Tampa where she was one of the Voyeur Dorm girls, see the other /. story here
Yeah and the cheques on the Minuteman.
What do you think about the possibility of international treaties such as the Cybercrime treaty proposed by the Council of Europe coming into force? And if so, do you think any nation states that don't sign up will be regarded as "rouge states"? Also do you think there is any future in "alternate" states, such as Sealand that can skirt these rules, and if so how would a state go about lobbying to become a recognised nation, part of the UN etc?