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Used ICBM Silo For Sale, "Cheap"

sprzepiora writes "An Atlas ICBM silo is for sale on E-Bay. Place your bids now, because it's only $1.5E6! Includes such amenities as: 1100 gallon hot tub, sauna,3 finished baths, 47 ton garage door, 66,000 lb. bank of batteries, chemical and bioligical air filtration, and more!" This is cool just to lust after. Of course its in Kansas (yeah I know, I'm in michigan, whats the difference, right?)

258 comments

  1. Wow by czardonic · · Score: 2, Funny

    A big hole in the ground! Sweet.

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    1. Re:Wow by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      A big hole in the ground! Sweet.

      I want to be the first to play with the asbestos.

      please?

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow is right! As I sit before my internet command station in boxer shorts and combat helmet, I can't help but be aroused and jealous. One thing captain isolation{me} can't stand it is to be out gunned. Why can't I have a hole like this to hide from the world in? You think he is willing to trade for a well worn trailer house and 7000 lbs of empty shlitz cans.? I'll throw in my girls gone wild tape and limited edition nascar dinnerware, please?

    3. Re:Wow by xmedar · · Score: 1

      Yeah and the cheques on the Minuteman.

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  2. Familiar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps.

    Still, I wouldn't mind one!
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  3. Kansas isn't bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live there so I think I should know. If you don't mind being surrounded by Royals and Chiefs fans you shouldn't have a problem adjusting. It does tend to get hot in the summer, but it can be nice weather.

    1. Re:Kansas isn't bad by spauldo · · Score: 1

      The women in kansas are cute, I'll give ya that. I worked in southern kansas (being from northern oklahoma) for a while.

      And I can see advantages to being able to see one side of the state from the other, being that there's a total of 12 hills in that state.

      One thing though, driving between north central oklahoma and st. louis - your windshield stays nice and clean the whole way, EXCEPT on 166. Seems like once you hit the kansas state line, your car becomes a target. Cross into missouri and wipe it off, it stays fairly clean the rest of the way up. Kansas must offer a tax break for dragonflies or something.

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  4. The one time... by ekrout · · Score: 4, Funny

    that a reply of ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US might actually apply. Schweet ;-)

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    1. Re:The one time... by czardonic · · Score: 1

      Except for the "ALL" part. Then again, maybe you didn't read that far.

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    2. Re:The one time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone is a dumbass.

  5. We know where are tax dollars went. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    I didn't expect the operators to sleep in sleeping bags, but this is better than most houses.

    1. Re:We know where are tax dollars went. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has to be a fake bid, I really do not think that the government would build something like this.

    2. Re:We know where are tax dollars went. by Sawbones · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you check out the sellers home page (missilebases.com) You'll see that this is one has had quite a bit of work done to it to make it worth the 1.5 mil. They normally go for about $200,000 and then usually just have a few hangers on the surface and maybe some of the interior structure still intact.

      I do like the idea of using the silo as a scuba diving tank though (they did that at one site).

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    3. Re:We know where are tax dollars went. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least we hope *our* tax dollars didn't go into your education.

    4. Re:We know where are tax dollars went. by youreanidiot · · Score: 0

      IIRC, this was a missle silo bought and renovated by a guy who was involved heavily in the creation of LSD. There was an article about it in Rolling Stone a few months back. Or maybe that was some other guy with a missle silo that had a marble bathtub installed. Hehe.. I would find the article, but I'm lazy, and people on slashdot are undeserving.

  6. Userfriendly.org? by Ksop · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats the one all the geeks from Columbia Internet were living in right?

    1. Re:Userfriendly.org? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Start here and flip through them, the series ended after 9-11, as if you can't guess why.

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    2. Re:Userfriendly.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, no wonder you post at -1.

    3. Re:Userfriendly.org? by pigeon · · Score: 1

      And once again reality is preceded by userfriendly..

  7. ICBM Silo by Renraku · · Score: 1

    If I bought an ICBM silo for a house, I'd be forced to become some sort of superhero. No, seriously. You'd wake up one morning and realize that the world's population has dropped by more than 2/3rds. Wouldn't have to worry about adding any ambient lighting to the silo part...should be glowing already. You could make the world's largest spiral staircase...Or world's bounciest trampoline/indoor skydiving adventure!

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    1. Re:ICBM Silo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I presume this deal doesn't include the ICBM.

  8. 1100 Gallons? by nerp · · Score: 1

    That's not huge or anything ... pools (backyard, in ground, at home, type things) are usuall in the 1000's (15,000 .. 25,000). I s'pose 1100 gal is bit large for a hot tub, but nothing like a 47 ton garage door (yikes!)

  9. Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is a silo in the ground, complete with a missile dialed in to your new home! This is one thing the Real Estate agent will conveniently forget to mention.

    On the other hand, I guess that's the purpose for the 47-ton garage door.

    1. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by geekoid · · Score: 2

      why would somwone target a missle silo? there won't be a missle there by the time there missile gets here.

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    2. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by Arcanix · · Score: 1

      considering that there won't be a missile there at all i think it's kind of a moot point, it clearly wouldn't be targetted.

    3. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not likely. The Atlas program ended in the 60's. Atlas was replaced by the Minuteman. The Soviets would have updated their targets sometime ago.

    4. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by ndege · · Score: 1

      You are forgetting that they might not keep their data as up-to-date as the US does. Keep in mind typical russian mentality and keep in mind the fact that they are bankrupt.

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    5. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 1

      The international one Wakes up, condemned this earth, which always one forces still to the Hungern! The right such as glow in herd of herdherd now with power to the break-through penetrates. Pure desk makes with the Bedranger! Army of the slaves, wakes up! A nothing to be, carry it not long everything to become, stromt zuhauf! Volker, stronghold the signals! Up, to last combat! The international Erkampft the human right It does not save to us a hoh'res nature no God, no emperor, still Tribun us from the misery to erlosen konnen we only does! Empty word: poor rights, empty word: going obligation! Unmundigt calls one us farmhands, bears the disgrace longer not! In city and country, you work people, we are the starkste Partei'n the Mussigganger shift aside! This world must be ours; Our blood is no more of the raben and the machtigen vultures ate! Only if we drove it out then seem let us sun ' ohn ' let us omit!

      Stupid babelfish.

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    6. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horst Vessel Lied

      1. Die Fahne hoch
      Die Reihen fest geschlossen
      S.A. marschiert
      Mit ruhig festem Schritt
      |: Kam'raden die Rotfront
      Und Reaktion erschossen
      Marschier'n im Geist
      In unsern Reihen mit :|

      2. Die Straße frei
      Den braunen Batallionen
      Die Straße frei
      Dem Sturmabteilungsmann
      |: Es schau'n auf's Hakenkreutz
      Voll Hoffnung schon Millionen
      Der Tag für Freiheit
      Und für Brot bricht an :|

      3. Zum letzten Mal
      Wird nun Appell geblasen
      Zum Kampfe steh'n
      Wir alle schon bereit
      |: Bald flattern Hitler-fahnen
      Über allen Straßen
      Die Knechtschaft dauert
      Nur mehr kurze Zeit :|

      4. Die Fahne hoch
      Die Reihen fest geschlossen
      S.A. marschiert
      Mit ruhig festem Schritt
      |: Kam'raden die Rotfront
      Und Reaktion erschossen
      Marschier'n im Geist
      In unsern Reihen mit :|

    7. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by TheMidget · · Score: 1
      You are forgetting that they might not keep their data as up-to-date as the US does.

      The US? Keeping up to date data? Can you say "Chinese embassy"...

    8. Re:Somewhere in the former Soviet Union... by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 0

      Some good reasons why it still might be targeted include

      1) Heartland of America. Shows you can hit ANY part of the country.

      2) Fort Riley to the West, Fort Leavenworth to the East, SAC bases (Omaha, Neb) to the North, all tempting targets - especially if you are not real sure of your aiming ability.

      3) Ft. Riley, Manhattan (KSU), Lawrence (KU), Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas City (KS and MO) all population centers potentially effected by blast or fallout - 2ndary effects

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  10. One of our base... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...can belong to YOU, yes you, for the low, low price of $1.5 megabucks!

    (Considering what the owner probably paid for it, and the improvements made, any handymen might seriously want to consider purchasing old silos and reconditioning them. Fun and profitable!)

    1. Re:One of our base... by dox · · Score: 1

      And you could lick the wrong hand rail and trip your ears off!

  11. It's for a good cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Of course its in Kansas (yeah I know, I'm in michigan, whats the difference, right?)
    Last I heard, a portion of the proceeds from the auction are to go to buy sorely-needed capital letters and apostrophes for CmdrTaco.
    1. Re:It's for a good cause by xmedar · · Score: 1

      The money is for Dorothys bus fare back from Tampa where she was one of the Voyeur Dorm girls, see the other /. story here

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  12. Kansas? Who Cares? by torpor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, it's underground. It could be in Iceland for all I care - that is some *private* mad-scientist lab space...

    The only problem with the place is that it's not nearly as secret as it once was. I'd pay twice what the going price for this thing is, if only it *wasn't* plastered all over EBay. It's a bit hard to make plans to rule the known universe when everyone and their dog is coming by just to see "that mad rocket guy that lives in a bunker in Kansas".

    Of course, there's always price-of-admission revenue for signed photo's. Oh, and I suppose there'd be a plentiful supply of fresh human brain matter to plunder for the "MegaBrain Computer" experiment.

    Well, off to feed the kitty ...

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  13. Now I can... by cOdEgUru · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now I can Flame those Terrorists...

    Nyah..naaa...naa...

  14. Net? by nexex · · Score: 1

    I hope it has more than 56k modem connection!

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    1. Re:Net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well it was wired for 12 phone lines, so you could always use 12 dialup connections.

    2. Re:Net? by pmcneill · · Score: 1

      If you can afford $1.5M or more, you can probably afford a T1...

    3. Re:Net? by Junta · · Score: 2

      Half a T1 should be possible :)

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    4. Re:Net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it is in wamego you could get dsl otherwise you might be able to get cable, plus you are close to manhattan, topeka and junction city

  15. Jeez... by meckardt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would just jump all over this deal, except that right now, my stock options aren't worth as much as they used to be...

  16. Do they deliver? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, is it possible to load the thing into a 18-wheeler and bring it to Florida?

  17. timing.. by gnurd · · Score: 1

    probably good timing to get a high bid.

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  18. Is it just me... by gusnz · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...or is CmdrTaco going down the tubes again? ;)

    OTOH, I can see the benefits: "Target acquired: Redmond is onscreen..."

  19. Kansas?! by sulli · · Score: 1

    Kansas sucks ass. Michigan rocks the house. Go BLUE!

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  20. Who's djblue42? by rkent · · Score: 2

    I can only assume the current high (only) bid is a joke. It's made by a guy named djblue42 ( feedback profile ) who, true to his handle, has purchased mostly musical equipment in the past. nothing more than a few hundred bucks.

    Damn! Can they leave him a zillion negative feedbacks at once for backing out of such an expensive auction?!

    1. Re:Who's djblue42? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I wonder who pays the shipping charges... This is the first time reverse shipping is required.

    2. Re:Who's djblue42? by klund · · Score: 2

      Damn! Can they leave him a zillion negative feedbacks at once for backing out of such an expensive auction?!

      Actually, real estate auctions on Ebay aren't binding... You need to read the polices and conduct page, buddy:
      http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-estate.ht ml

      So bid away! Bid a billion! Offers to buy real estate aren't binding until you sign a Purchase and Sale Agreement, no matter what your feedback rating is.

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  21. Maybe Saddam Hussein, also... by Futurepower(tm) · · Score: 3, Funny


    Osama bin Laden will surely bid on this.


    ABC News article: "Abu Sayyaf ... train[ed] terrorists in the methods taught by the CIA ..." What should be the Response to Violence?

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    1. Re:Maybe Saddam Hussein, also... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      If Osama did move in, then the US and its allies would have to attack.... the US, since it would be a country harboring fugitives...

      something to think about

  22. This is GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been looking for a place to put my spare ICBM!

  23. Other dream homes.... by nellardo · · Score: 3

    Loompanics Unlimited, that sterling source of all that They don't want you to know, has a section of books on these kinds of things. My favorite is this one. I want a decommissioned nuclear submarine I can berth at Manhattan! Then I can live "in" the East Village (where I live now - been interesting) and get away from it all.

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  24. Sounds like a secure web server / data site to me by MadCow42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You could set up a nice web hosting business there, with guaranteed security, excellent UPS setup, and most likely a pre-installed fat data pipe (probably laying dormant though).

    Did you say nuke-proof? Well, maybe, unless as someone pointed out earlier, the Russians have your home address locked directly into one of their nukes...

    MadCow

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  25. this was stolen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this link was posted on the fuck dot org site yesterday.http://weblog.fuck.org

  26. Good secure hosting site by gbnewby · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I was in the Netherlands for HAL2001 this summer, and got to visit a NAP right across the street from the U. Twente campus (where HAL was held). A NAP is where different networks peer, and in this case is also where at least one ISP provided co-lo space and other ameneties.

    The cool part: it was in a retired federal bank. Literally a fortress: fully bulletproof, tempest-shielded, multiple sub-basements, iron gates and fully enclosed by fences or walls, the works.

    The ICBM silo gets me thinking about the same thing. They have on-site power generation and battery backup and an obviously pretty damn secure setup. So, why not open a secure hosting facility? It's not HavenCo/Sealand, but it's not bad.

    The main problem is it's in the middle of nowhere (Mapquest link ), about 50 miles from Topeka. Paying the local loop charges for dedicated (and redundant) Internet access is probably going to cost a fortune.

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    1. Re:Good secure hosting site by JoeShmoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main problem is it's in the middle of nowhere (Mapquest link [mapquest.com] ), about 50 miles from Topeka. Paying the local loop charges for dedicated (and redundant) Internet access is probably going to cost a fortune

      And it doesn't for HavenCo/Sealand? Which is easier...running a line on dry (flat) land or over a body of water?

      Besides, this type of situtation is what wireless is for. Come to think of it, HavenCo/Sealand uses wireless for a couple of their links (IIRC).

      The real question...when the FBI comes knocking...will they be able to get in? I don't know if they have the equipment to take out a 47-ton door...but you better fill that silo with food and supplies because the second you step out you are theirs.

      - JoeShmoe

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    2. Re:Good secure hosting site by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1

      maybe you didn't notice the price of the silo itself ($1.5e6). If you can afford the silo, you can afford piping to it.

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    3. Re:Good secure hosting site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hey, dude, the dot craze is finished. Blathering about "good secure hosting location" each time someone references a strangley fucked place (ie: "Looks like there is yet another planet in the solar system. Cool, it would be a nice new secure hosting location.") is getting pretty old.

      Btw, this/A>(yes, this site) is a prefect hosting location too.

    4. Re:Good secure hosting site by gbnewby · · Score: 2

      Sealand has a line of sight wireless link, I understand (microwave or a similar frequency). They're about 12 miles off the coast, right? They need to pay for their upstream provider(s), of course, but don't need to pay the phone company for the local loop. (They are in the UK, so the telephone industry is quite different, as are regulations for things like ground-based microwave relays). (OK, they're not in the UK, they're an independent country, the Principality of Sealand. But their upstream link is in the UK. Geesh, you people are soooooo picky!)

      In the silo, you'd want at least two independent pipes coming in; the specifics depend on what's available, good and cost-effective. But at least one would probably involve a local loop charge by the phone company, and would be a significant monthly expense in addition to whatever else is paid for the upstream Internet link. As an example, the U. where I work pays $2000/month for a single pair of dark fiber totalling less than 1 kilometer.

      Anyway, I agree that whoever has $1.5M for the silo can afford the cost of the Internet service. The question is whether they can make any money running a secure ISP or co-lo that way!

      In case you haven't noticed, all the big ISP/hosting/co-lo/outsourcing providers seem to be located in or near phone company buildings, NAPs or MAEs. Apart from providing a reasonably secure facility with good network access, these offer the benefit of not needing to pay for distance from the telco building.

    5. Re:Good secure hosting site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As an example, the U. where I work pays $2000/month for a single pair of dark fiber totalling less than 1 kilometer.

      You idiot, do you even know what 'dark fiber' is? I realize it sounds cool and it's a nice term to throw around, but 'dark fiber' is not what you think it is. 'Dark fiber' is exactly what the name implies when you contrast it with 'lit fiber', which is to say fiber that is carrying a signal. Yup, 'dark fiber' is dormant infrastructure. No one buys 'dark fiber' and lets it lie while paying a monthly fee for it. Only phone companies own 'dark fiber' in anticipation of broadband to the home, and other money-making schemes.

    6. Re:Good secure hosting site by MousePotato · · Score: 1

      hrm... I was thinking that a silo would already be redundantly wired to the backbones...

    7. Re:Good secure hosting site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      hrm... I was thinking that a silo would already be redundantly wired to the backbones...

      It probably was, but I think that:
      (a) the military uses its own network, not the internet, and
      (b) those links would be severed (more than likely on both ends).

    8. Re:Good secure hosting site by gbnewby · · Score: 2

      "You're a pussy, pussy." (E.Cartman).

      You lease dark fiber when you want to connect your own equipment to it at either end. The fiber is lit, but the U. doesn't need to pay for it (any more than they do to connect any other buildings or locations; that is, it's internal, part of the campus network). The U. lights it itself, but doesn't need to pay the phone company (Bell South) except to lease the fiber.

      This is very typical at big universities, school districts, and other organizations that have multiple locations in a metropolitan area. It's used to connect off-campus offices etc. to the campus backbone. I'm sure some companies do it, too, if they have multiple offices in a relatively small area.

      BTW, you're right that only phone companies and cable companies (and maybe a few other lucky players) own dark fiber. But, like any good whore, they're happy to sell it to you....for a little while.

    9. Re:Good secure hosting site by Klaruz · · Score: 1

      Regardless that silo is from the 60s... It's probobly got a few pairs of copper going away from it, not exactly new fiber or anything.

    10. Re:Good secure hosting site by Hackboy · · Score: 1

      The main problem is it's in the middle of nowhere (Mapquest link [mapquest.com] ), about 50 miles from Topeka. Paying the local loop charges for dedicated (and redundant) Internet access is probably going to cost a fortune.

      Actually, it's only about 15 miles from Kansas State University in Manhattan. There are providers in Wamego itself (even one who's doing wireless from the Wamego water tower.)

    11. Re:Good secure hosting site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Which is easier...running a line on dry (flat) land or over a body of water?


      I won't claim to be an expert but apparently that depends:


      The Red Sea is so shallow and so heavily trafficked, by the way, that all cables running through it must be plowed into the seafloor, which is a hassle, but obviously preferable to running a terrestrial route through the likes of Sudan and Somalia, which border it.


      stephenson

    12. Re:Good secure hosting site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *delurk*

      Check out www.thebunker.net

      Former british millitary bunker in north london, converted to a secure data warehouse..

    13. Re:Good secure hosting site by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > maybe you didn't notice the price of the silo itself ($1.5e6). If you can afford the silo, you can afford piping to it.

      You must not be from Northern CA or New York. $1.5M buys you a decent house. Just a decent house. Not much land.

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    14. Re:Good secure hosting site by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1
      Yeah actually I am. My favorite ad from the Merc goes something like "You always wanted a million dollar estate, but you always thought it'd be bigger than 800 sq ft"

      That joke aside, it's bad but not THAT bad. You're still living pretty phat if you're rockin the 1.5M house, even if that only makes you upper middle class. Pardon me while I go fester my socialistic tendencies over some ramen and government cheese.

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  27. More silos for sale.... by chhamilton · · Score: 1, Redundant
    It seems they've got more silos, as well as other "industrial underground complexes" for sale. Plus, you can find more pictures...

    Just go here: http://www.missilebases.com

  28. Good commute, excellent schools. by KFury · · Score: 2

    If they throw in a missile, the commute's only 40 minutes to anywhere on the planet.

    This looks like just the kind of compound a cult or cell would love. Easily defensible, low visibility.

    Anyone else thinking this is a gov't honeypot?

    1. Re:Good commute, excellent schools. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >Anyone else thinking this is a gov't honeypot?


      Yup. Wire it up with microcams and bugs and you can get a front-row seat into what potential Black Helicopter/gun nut/Aryan Nations/conspiracy types are up to. Too bad a musician brought it, hey?

  29. Good Grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks bogus to me. The gov't would never sell something like this over ebay. They'd sell something like this to one of their cronies or offer it in a sealed bid auction of their own. And you better believe there would be some paperwork to fill out, just to qualify for the auction.

    And check the seller's profile - he has no history at all. This is the first item he's selling.

    Slashdot is dumb and getting dumber. This is used to be an interesting site, but not any more.

    1. Re:Good Grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The site was sold to a private individual who fixed it up and is advertising it via ebay.

  30. Alternative uses for the silo by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 4, Funny
    • Install a *huge* fan (with a steel grate above the blade...) near the bottom for indoor acrobatic action. Whee!
    • Grow a lot of pot! As if any sheriff can kick in a 47-ton door.
    • Fill the silo with H2O & get out the ol' scuba gear.
    • Vertical artificial rock climbing. The bonus is that once you climb to the top, you're done.
    • Buy 50,000+ old boxen & make the Beowulf Cluster from hell!

    This silo is screaming for an entrepreneur. Now if I can only get in the Corporate Welfare line for some of that $70 Billion action...

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    1. Re:Alternative uses for the silo by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lease it out as a private space launch facility!

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    2. Re:Alternative uses for the silo by krogoth · · Score: 1

      What? You get an opportunity for a fan that size, and all you can think of is acrobatic action? Think of the boxen you could cool with that! Concentrate all the air down to flow through one box, and get the first terahertz CPU! :)

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  31. Great Colo Site by Halvard · · Score: 1

    Hmm, this make a far better colo than even the ex-Bell System CO's. You know the ones, the pre-breakup buildings that all look alike and have 2ft thick walls and floors that can hold scans of equipment and survive a nuking.

    Especially given the fact that these already have scads of high quality power runs, those pretty Tempest enforced wire paths for comm cabling, and hellacious power backup prebuilt, etc., this price is a fraction of what it cost to build out something a facility like this.

    This would be the place for a startup hosting company with the vc cash of 2 years ago to make a real run at it. Wish I had it!

    1. Re:Great Colo Site by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that "prebuilt" backup power system in an old CO be 48V DC? Now most routers and network gear have 48V DC power options but that hasn't caught on with servers yet. I think you'd probably have to redo that part.

    2. Re:Great Colo Site by spudnic · · Score: 2

      All of our servers are 48V DC. You just need to specify the type of power supply when you order a case.

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  32. This is such a sweet deal. by Fixer · · Score: 1
    IF it's legit. One and a half million? There are houses in Beverly Hills that aren't a tenth as cool. 'course, the being out in the boonies part really sucks.

    I know a guy who has a fat folder of business plans and research papers detailing just exactly what it would take to create an indestructable, cant-be-taken-down, freedom forever ISP. This would be exactly the kind of facility he'd need (Are you out there James?)..

    Too bad there was insufficient investment.

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    1. Re:This is such a sweet deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Too bad there was insufficient investment."

      No investor in their right mind would give money to someone whose business plan starts with: "First, we collect a fuckton of guns and explosives, and hole up in an abandoned missle silo."

  33. Could User Friendly guys be the seller... by L-Train8 · · Score: 2

    User Friendly has been doing a storyline about this all summer. It all started when they needed some more office space...

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  34. Web Site? by blurzero · · Score: 1
    Please visit our web page to see more of this property. There is a video available on our dot com.
    Is it just me, or is there no mention of a url anywhere on the eBay page? Did anyone find one?
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  35. Call me a Karma whore! by srvivn21 · · Score: 2

    http://www.missilebases.com/todd/index.html for more info on this particular property. Floor plans and all.

    Woot!

    1. Re:Call me a Karma whore! by xmedar · · Score: 1

      If you check the homepage you'll see there's one in Roswell, just right for the X-Filers on here...

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  36. nice by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Funny

    has 47 ton drive-in door that operates electrically
    Phew - I was worried for a second.

    Unique, historic, functional property. .
    That's good, because I've good, because with this and a few more items, our rocket will be ready to move in!

    note: this is meant to be funny!

  37. Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority by Mittermeyer · · Score: 1

    Several thoughts came to mind here.....

    1. The original National Command Post in Denton, TX., was sold for a measly $50K. This is not the FEMA command post but rather the 1950s version. Nothing interesting left down there, but still mad scientist quarters on the cheap.

    2. This would be a very nice secure site for web services. Who cares if they know about it, try and get past the door. Plus you can laze about in the jacuzzi with your internet babes.

    3. I've driven past that town and had no clue it was there.

    4. What were they doing putting a silo launch center in the middle of a town? Makes you wonder how many 'secret' targets still exist in residential areas.

    5. Having a launch silo center in your town truly gives you 'Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority'.

    6. Finally, you have got to wonder about the fellow that bought this thing and built a party palace in it. Assuming this isn't just a lark or an investment, it takes some serious weird to actually buy and outfit the thing for residential use.

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  38. What's the difference? eh... cos... by front · · Score: 1

    " Of course its in Kansas (yeah I know, I'm in michigan, whats the difference, right?)"

    Maybe because you're not in Kansas anymore?

    (Can anybody believe that I got that post in so early... fff me I must be drunk).

    cheers

    front

  39. It would rock for a LAN party during Armageddon by AnimeFreak · · Score: 0

    I can just see it now, a bunch of people inside the silo playing UT while outside all these nukes shower upon the land.

  40. PCBs and asbestos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Like all other decommissioned military sites of this era, these silos are probably 1) sitting in a puddle of PCBS, and 2) filled with loose asbestos.

    1. Re:PCBs and asbestos by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 2

      That's ok. Odds are it is not amphible asbestos, the only type known to be hazardous. Unfortunately in the rush to ban asbestos, non one bothered to try and differentiate between the different types, and chrysotile (a.k.a. soft white) asbestos which was used for over 95% of asbestos applications was banned along with the more hazardous amphible types. For those of you in San Fransisco, there are supposedly extensive outcroppings of chrysotile around the Bay area; so if you live in SF, you're probably already exposed.

      PCBs and dioxin aren't as safe, but neither is it as bad as most people think. In 1976 an explosion scattered huge amounts of PCBs over Seveso, Italy. No fatalities or cancer cases are known to have come from this incident. A NIOSH study of U.S. workers exposed to high (a couple of orders of magnitude higher than the U.S. exposure maximum exposure) quantities of dioxin showed no increase in cancer or other fatal conditions. Unfortunately it is not harmless. In high quantities it does cause a severe skin rash called chloracne. If you value your complextion you will want to avoid large amouonts of PCBs and dioxin.

      On the other hand, if you are a techie from San Fransisco with acne, then you probably don't have much to lose... Just kidding. Even if you don't get killed by the contamination you may still be responsible for its clean up costs. Congratulations, you just bought a Superfund site.

  41. Of course its for sale... by Quizme2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The previous occupants moved out a couple weeks ago!

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  42. Survivor 4: ICBM Silo by ChrisBennett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm.... this could be a great site for "reality TV" shows like Survivor or The Mole. Besides, we already know it makes a great plot for UserFriendly. Producers? Anyone?

  43. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Dude, its perfect:br.
    tourist step in, Brain washed hypno-drones step out.!MUahahaha

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  44. Will they ship? by PineHall · · Score: 1

    I am interested if they will pay shipping.

    1. Re:Will they ship? by Bob(TM) · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but do you really want to take delivery of the package they'll be sending?

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  45. Other missile silos available for less money by jms · · Score: 3, Informative

    The main link to their website is here.

    Sure, this one is super expensive, but if you look at their web site, what's really intriguing is that they have other properties for sale that are much cheaper -- because they're in, ahem, rough condition. Probably saturated with rocket fuel and dioxins, but what the hell. You're young. You're immortal. Why not go for it!

    For instance, you can pick up a 16 acre missile base in Winters, TX for $199,000. The web site mentions that the silo is "stripped of structure with app. 100' water depth. Seller eager."

    Now THAT's a big hot-tub. Anyone know the diameter of one of those launch silos? Care to figure out how many gallons that comes to? You'd have the biggest hot tub in the world, if you could afford to heat it.

    Another 11 acre missile base is available in Shep, TX for only $169,000, and, I love this, the missile silo is described as "used for scuba diving adventures." Woo hoo!

    Still another 22 acre site is available in Creta, OK, for $133,000. Now that's almost affordable!

    Even if you don't have a cool million to spend, the possibility of owning your own missile silo lies tantalizingly in reach to the eager geek ... That's a lot of land, and you could easily sell some of it off and keep the silo goodies for yourself. Anyone got some money left over from the Redhat IPO? Yeah. Right.

    Lotsa fun to dream, isn't it :-)

    1. Re:Other missile silos available for less money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The web site mentions that the
      silo is "stripped of structure with app. 100' water depth. Seller eager."



      This probably means you need to pump it to keep it dry. That is, the structure is built below the water table, and the pumps must run continuously, just like a mine.



    2. Re:Other missile silos available for less money by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 2, Informative


      In missle silos the presence of water typically means that the silo door leaks when it rains. The sealing of the door is typically the first step in turning it into a residence.

      maru
      www.mp3.com/pixal

    3. Re:Other missile silos available for less money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government pumped all the old silos full of water in order to make it impossible for someone else to host a launcher/missile there without a lot of trouble.

      Standard procedure when they shut a silo down...

    4. Re:Other missile silos available for less money by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > stripped of structure with app. 100' water depth. Seller eager."
      >
      > Now THAT's a big hot-tub. Anyone know the diameter of one of those launch silos? Care to figure out how many gallons that comes to? You'd have the biggest hot tub in the world, if you could afford to heat it.

      Easy. That's what the missile's for. ;-)

  46. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Funny
    The only problem with the place is that it's not nearly as secret as it once was. I'd pay twice what the going price for this thing is, if only it *wasn't* plastered all over EBay.

    I, on the other hand, would pay extra to make sure that everyone knew which silo it was that no longer held an ICBM.

    Especially the people who might have loaded silos of their own.

    -- MarkusQ

  47. Deja Vu by BunkBoy · · Score: 1

    Tell me this isn't something Right outa UF

  48. Not just One Hole in the Ground by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    But one of many! From the seller's aboutme:

    We have now sold 27 of these properties to excited owners



    I wonder if there's any in my neck of the woods? Probably not, since most of California is laced with fault lines and was probably all primary target anyway. I bet there's some in Michigan, in da U.P., eh?

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    1. Re:Not just One Hole in the Ground by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 2

      Nah, go down a few feet you hit rock, most places. I'm sure there's a played-out iron mine or three you could get there though.

      Down in lower Michigan though, there are the old Minuteman silos at the Grosse Ile airport, but I think those are all sealed up. And probably full of water seeped in from Lake Erie/Detroit River.

  49. Yeah, but... by Dimwit · · Score: 1

    Why buy one when you a build it for half the price?

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  50. Re:Sounds like a secure web server / data site to by geekoid · · Score: 2

    The russians have better things to target, then I missle silo. It taks approx 32 minutes for an icbm to get from russia launch, to a US target. Do you really think our missles will still be in the ground?

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  51. First Strike Target by StaticLimit · · Score: 2

    Sure it's built to withstand a nuclear attack (generally that means anything other than a direct hit)... but it's also probably a first tier target for... direct nuclear strikes. Of course, I'm SURE Russia has updated their target list over the years to remove this silo ;).

    - StaticLimit

    1. Re:First Strike Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Same way that certain American maps have been
      updated with the locations of certain Chinese
      Embassies eh?

    2. Re:First Strike Target by Ektanoor · · Score: 2

      No matter who's the attacker, the site may become again a first target... War is a trick thing:

      -Commander, we just checked up the new pics. They are a bit blurred due to those high altitude blasts but still we can discern some activity in Kansas...

      -Oh, oh, oooooh... What's that object over there?

      - Well it's a nuclear silo but, according to our data, it was decomissioned several years ago...

      -And the tracks? What about those pickups over there? And that shiny swimming pool is also 20 years old? Damn how americans live... Blasting everything around and having a 5 star hotel in a military zone...

      -Well, our agents didn't informed about any revitalization of old bases... Maybe it's...

      -Soldier ARE YOU BLIND? DON'T YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOURS EYES????? THEY ALREADY REVITALIZED IT!!!! BLOW THEM UP!!!!

  52. Investment opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have any idea how much marijuana you could grow in one of those silos?

  53. No cable? by FlatLin3 · · Score: 1

    How do they expect us to survive without cable television? I mean, I suppose you could, but why would you want to?! Would you really want to live through the apocalypse, be forced to stay inside for years, without pr0n?! More importantly, how would you go about getting it installed without compromising the integrity of the protection? "Uhh yeah just drill it on through my 47 ton front door"

    "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

    1. Re:No cable? by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      Blackadder?

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  54. This article reminds me of something... by DragonPup · · Score: 1

    A level for the original Marathon by Bungie, 'Colony Ship for Sale, Cheap' :-)

    -Henry

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    1. Re:This article reminds me of something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that the one with the four platforms with switches in various far-away locations that you had to get just right so you could climb up them from the floor to a door which was placed somewhat-strangely in the ceiling? Man, I hated that level.

  55. Not such a bad price... by marian · · Score: 1

    It's less expensive than a 4 bedroom house in Woodside, CA. But I sure wouldn't want to see the utility bills.

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  56. ebay not slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at the counter on that page, over 40k now.

  57. The price is right. by MarkusQ · · Score: 2
    I can only assume the current high (only) bid [$1.5M] is a joke.

    Maybe he's using bay area apartments for price comparison. If you take the NPV of the cash flow stream, it comes out about right, and I'll bet it's much better per square foot.

    -- MarkusQ

  58. It's worse than that... by mangu · · Score: 1

    That other silo might be in an ex-Soviet, currently Islamic, republic.

    1. Re:It's worse than that... by Vonatar · · Score: 1

      EEEEEEEEEEEEEk! Slashdot's been hacked by a 1337 h4x0r from ObL's Internet Strike Force.

      Oh, wait, ObL's in Afghanistan. It's just a clueless AC fuckwit.

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  59. Silo or base? Previous Owners by KernelHappy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed that there is no mention of launch tubes anywhere? I think that makes this just a missile base, not a silo.

    Also, I believe this property was seized as part of a drug bust. Story goes that the previous owner/occupants were producing pounds of acid. I can't find the article to confirm if this is infact the site.

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    1. Re:Silo or base? Previous Owners by KernelHappy · · Score: 1

      Ooops, found the article via moreover.

      Attack spurs interest in missile site - http://www.themercury.com/stories/04/story.attack. shtml. It was used to produce LSD a few years back.

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  60. Who's missilebases? by fm6 · · Score: 2

    More to the point, who's "missilebases"? Why is his English so flaky? Why did he reject a bid from "fatihsenel" (who actually has quite a good record, despite the cancellation notice)?

  61. So close yet so far... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A couple of years ago I could've gotten this baby for only 5,555 shares of VA Linux but now I'd need to scrounge up 1,327,433 shares. Ah, best to have had and to have lost...

  62. Addendum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on a true story!

  63. Formerly a drug factory. by dox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here is a story about it.


    There is also an article in Rolling Stong from July 5th, 2001 titled "The Acid King" about Leonard Pickard. The missle silo was owned by Todd Skinner, a shady bussinessman(drug dealer) who laundered money, trafficed drugs, and who knows what else. He made deals with the DEA to save his own ass many times, getting many of if friends imprisoned for life. Another example of America's idiotic war on drugs.

  64. neighbordhood profile: by psychalgia · · Score: 1

    thought id check that out, see who my neihbors are:

    No Profile Found

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    1. Re:neighbordhood profile: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds a lot like central Kansas to me.

  65. With a little spit and polish... by motherhead · · Score: 2

    You know, these are tense times... people are fraught with the notions of impending cataclysm at the hands of bio/chemical terror... or worse...
    What can be done about this?

    Exploitation!

    "The Hotel Sanctuary"

    Yes that's right, throw in with seed money, renovate the hell out of the place, add rooms, a five star chief... a nice club... "spa"... and then book the hell out of it and horrifically inflated prices! No... seriously out of line prices... I mean Macaulay Caulkin (the home alone kid) levels of exploitation here...

    Tag line: "Your Own little Camp David!"

    A shining beacon of capitalism during our nation's darkest hours. This is why we enjoy twenty-four hour grocery stores and a nation of connected roads damnit, this my friends, is the American way.

    1. Re:With a little spit and polish... by saviorsloth · · Score: 1

      Not quite, this thing was started september 5th, when only a handful of survivalist nuts were too terribly concerned about an impending cataclysm. I guess he just happened to be selling at the right time.

    2. Re:With a little spit and polish... by motherhead · · Score: 2

      Not quite, this thing was started september 5th, when only a handful of survivalist nuts were too terribly concerned about an impending cataclysm. I guess he just happened to be selling at the right time.

      damn damn damn... always a day late and a dollar short. i blame my parents for sending me to a state college.

  66. FBI-proof? Good for a Church! by mangu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Much better than Waco.

  67. If you've never been anywhere else by owlmeat · · Score: 1

    Obviously, you haven't

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    But they just can't kill the beast.

    1. Re:If you've never been anywhere else by bcboy · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. Lord, that place sucked.

  68. What one looks like before it's all dressed up by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is a pretty interesting photo tour that was made by some guys who, by their own admission, "violated federal law" to get inside and tour around one of these silos, when it was just a bunch of abandoned cold war concrete. It's nice to compare the this with the eBay photos...makes that 1.5 million opening bid seem a bit more reasonable. Oh, and you'd better hurry...there's only an hour left to bid on it.

    Incidentally, I lived in Topeka for some time, and I got to go to one of these abandoned silos, back around 92 or 93...there was a freaky survivalist dude living there, surrounded by all his guns and barrels of water...and I got to go stand where, at one time, there was a ICBM, ready to go...remembering the cold war dominated world that I grew up in, it was very, very surreal.

    1. Re:What one looks like before it's all dressed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Cold War ended in 1991. What was the point of having missile silos still ready to launch after the conflict was over?

    2. Re:What one looks like before it's all dressed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you believed Billy when he told us there were no nukes pointed at us?

  69. You're a Karma whore by owlmeat · · Score: 1

    and don't forget it...

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  70. hmm... was $250,000 before it went on E-bay by Dyelar · · Score: 1

    You know what is really funny is that the real estate agents in the area tell me that it was only
    around $200,000 - $250,000 before they put it on
    E-bay.

    1. Re:hmm... was $250,000 before it went on E-bay by CoyoteGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you must have stopped using your fingers to count in Grade 12, because you would realize that most of the upgrading they did is what gives it the price it has. And if you would do more digging, you would realize that even on their website, it is advertised at a cool mil. How would you expect a business pair to do 700-800k in renovations, and try to sell it for $200k? Please crawl into one of these. I will telegraph Osama Bin laden your co-ordiantes and tell him its the new location of Camp David.

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  71. Hey madcow.. do you play ut? by cculianu · · Score: 1

    I got repeatedly fragged by a guy in UT a few nights ago named madcow. Is that you?

    1. Re:Hey madcow.. do you play ut? by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

      Yes I play UT... but it probably wasn't me, unless you're REALLY REALLY bad. q:]

      MadCow.

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  72. simple first strike by rebelcool · · Score: 2
    Since it takes a matter of minutes for the missiles to reach each other's continent, the hope is that the other person wont have time to launch their missiles at you, thus your missiles aimed at their silos destroy their silos and keep them from destroying you.

    Of course it all depends on how fast the other guy's warning system and missile commanders are. This is where all that trillion dollar hardware and design comes into play.

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    1. Re:simple first strike by geekoid · · Score: 2

      it take approx. 32 minutes for a Russian missle to achieve a US target. When there missle hit Apex our missle would be launched. We know and track every rocket launch from Russia.

      FYI I was SAC at FE Warren AFB, Wy.

      Out response is incredible fast.
      If you have ever seen WarGames then you know exactly how a missle base isn't.

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    2. Re:simple first strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, thats what the government WANTS us to think!

    3. Re:simple first strike by mangu · · Score: 2
      it take approx. 32 minutes for a Russian missle to achieve a US target


      How many minutes does it take to decide if you are going to destroy the world or not, based solely on a preliminary evaluation of missile trajectories?

    4. Re:simple first strike by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      How many minutes does it take to decide if you are going to destroy the world or not, based solely on a preliminary evaluation of missile trajectories?

      About five minutes, and that's only if you know nothing about the launch vehicle. As soon as the rocket engines shut off it's a simple matter of BALLISTICS. Anyone with enough physics knowledge can figure it out. So the answer to your question is "five minutes or so". Given a flight time of ~30min, that leaves ~20min to hem and haw about the morality of war before you decide that "them pinkos gotta go" and launch a retaliatory strike.

      Besides, it's pretty obvious that World War III has started when NORAD picks up 500+ separate launches in the space of a few minutes.

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    5. Re:simple first strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it take approx. 32 minutes for a Russian missle to achieve a US target. When there missle hit Apex our missle would be launched.

      But will the new owner of the silo be able to react that fast?

      If I end up buying that silo, I bet I'll never have a clue that the Ruskies are shooting at me, until after I'm dead. Then I think, "Oh shit! Launch! Launch! Hey, why isn't it working? Oh, it's because I'm dead and no one hears me. The cloud of plasma that used to be my body, isn't forming intelligable sounds. Oh well. So.. I'm dead. But the important thing is: Have I learned anything about Life?"

    6. Re:simple first strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't decide. They do. That's why we pay big bucks to train them.

    7. Re:simple first strike by ktakki · · Score: 2
      it take approx. 32 minutes for a Russian missle to achieve a US target. When there missle hit Apex our missle would be launched. We know and track every rocket launch from Russia.


      Only if you're talking about an ICBM launched from Russian (or former Soviet) territory at the continental United States (or vice versa).

      If it's a depressed-trajectory shot launched from a ballistic missile submarine parked off the East or West coast, it's all over in seven minutes.

      Seven minutes. Enough time for a last cigarette.

      k., proud member of the "Duck 'n' Cover Generation".
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    8. Re:simple first strike by mangu · · Score: 2
      I just hope the US and Russian generals have consultants who know better than the elementary physics you need to calculate a theoretical orbit.


      I happen to work in the commercial satellite business, and our spacecraft are designed to be easy to track, exactly the opposite of nuclear warheads. We "range" (that is, track the satellite position) for about 15 minutes every two hours in order to determine the satellite orbit precisely (about 10 meters error). And those are satellites whose approximate orbits we have calculated beforehand.


      With five minutes of ranging an enemy warhead, you have enough data to know the missile will hit somewhere between Chicago and Denver.

    9. Re:simple first strike by mangu · · Score: 2
      Okay, but if you look at how this thread started, the question was: do they have a missile pointed at this silo? The answer: probably yes.


      The nuclear stalemate started with MAD - Mutual Assured Destruction - when each side had enough warheads to destroy each other's country many times over.

      Then one general, I don't know in which side, thought, why destroy their cities; if we destroy their missiles they won't have anything to fire at us. And they started targeting missiles at silos, based on the rationale that an attack would be so fast that the other side (maybe) wouldn't have enough time to decide if they should fire their missiles before they were hit or not.

      Fortunately for everyone, there was enough slack in the calculations that no one ever felt safe enough to start a full-scale nuclear attack based on that rationale.

    10. Re:simple first strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and the ICBMs mounted in submarines, which could be anywhere. The ones shuttling around on rail cars, which could be anywhere. The ones orbiting the planet. The cruise missiles which are non-ballistic. The ones dropped from bombers. The ones that you lost track of. The ones that you didn't know about in the first place...

      Lot's of reasons not to feel safe enough to start a war.

    11. Re:simple first strike by youreanidiot · · Score: 0

      Oh.. like the WOPR. Man that thing kicks ass on that IBM pansy ASCI Blue.

    12. Re:simple first strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last atlas ICBM decommisioned?
      I haven't an opinion either way, but
      could the soviets have updated their targeting
      data between 1965 and 1985 to exclude an
      atlas site from satellite data?

    13. Re:simple first strike by bcboy · · Score: 1

      That probably wasn't the case with the altas system. They used a liquid propellant. The missile was stored horizontally, and was too weak to be lifted while full. So launching involved setting it upright, and filling it with fuel. Not too speedy. Some folk who worked on them said they'd never get off the ground.

      Of course these sites are ancient. No one is targeting them now.

    14. Re:simple first strike by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 2

      "Besides, it's pretty obvious that World War III has started when NORAD picks up 500+ separate launches in the space of a few minutes."

      Except when it is a training tape put in the computer accidentally. This is something that supposedly has happened in both the U.S. and U.S.S.R. Notice that civilization still exists, which suggests that both countries were not so "hair trigger" that they can't deal with such glitches. From what I hear, though, the Ruskies came close. (Geekoid, I don't suppose you have any info and can discuss our "close call"?)

      That is why you don't necessarily want to "launch on warning". That is why the Ruskies would target our missile silos even when they KNOW that we could empty them by the time their missiles impact... it doesn't necessarily mean that we would do so. Launch on warning is more accident prone than "launch on verification." Twenty to Thirty minutes still isn't a long time to decide whether to destroy civilization or not when there are unknowns that have to be tracked down (like in the aforementioned "training accident" problem). You can't call back those ICBMs if you find out that the launch was a mistake a few seconds after they leave the silos. In theory the first strike attacker could hope that the defending nation would mistakenly conclude the attack wasn't real, or would at least not be sure enough that it was real that they would be willing to authorize ending society as we know it. The fact that we did not accidentally incinerate ourselves during the Cold War suggests that we were not on such a "hair trigger" and that this first strike theory did have a chance of working. Fortunately the Soviets never felt it had a good enough chance to pull it off and they were willing to collapse as a society before they were willing to "roll the dice and take their chances."* But then again, we did have a triad of deterence instead of one system.

      Targeting "empty silos" also forces the attacked nation to "use them or lose them" in the first strike. RVs in the first strike have a better chance of fratriciding ea. other due to all the nukes going off in a short period of time. Such ICBMs also will not be available (because they were either launched or destroyed) for "cleaning up" targets that might have been missed in the 1st strike and needed to be attacked again, forcing the use of less survivable or less accurate delivery systems like bombers or boomers.

      Yeah, they targeted our silos. Yeah, we could have emptied them before their RVs hit. Yeah, they presumably knew that. It was still a descent targeting strategy anyway. What scares me is the recent revelations that they also planned to finish off our population centers with smallpox laden RVs as well. You should never underestimate those Commies.

      * Which means that the rest of us owe Geekoid and the other people who were at SAC a word of thanks that we arrived at the 21st century neither dead or Red (unless you live in Cuba or the PRC... sorry guys, we'll free you when we can). Thanks.

    15. Re:simple first strike by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      With five minutes of ranging an enemy warhead, you have enough data to know the missile will hit somewhere between Chicago and Denver.

      Last time I checked, the area between Chicago and Denver was US territory. I don't really care which hamlet is the target.

    16. Re:simple first strike by santeri · · Score: 1
      What scares me is the recent revelations that they also planned to finish off our population centers with smallpox laden RVs as well. You should never underestimate those Commies.

      Pot. Kettle. Black.

      Like your wonderfull capitalists never had any plans for your smallpox virii still kept in safe (against all international treaties) "for a better day"...

      Which means that the rest of us owe Geekoid and the other people who were at SAC a word of thanks that we arrived at the 21st century neither dead or Red (unless you live in Cuba or the PRC... sorry guys, we'll free you when we can).

      But Cuba is free. Except, of course, from CIA-machined terrorism.

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  73. I won't... But notice I'm... by srvivn21 · · Score: 1

    A very poorly paid Karma Whore...

    Woe is me.

  74. Missle Base... LSD Production Facility... by jwilhelm · · Score: 1

    Well, I wondered how the heck the missle base was so damn nice, until I found this article...

  75. You think that's impressive? by Looge+Over+All! · · Score: 0

    Wait till you check out the 3.7 ton cat-flap.

    1. Re:You think that's impressive? by Col.+Panic · · Score: 2, Funny

      That must be one big pussy :)

  76. http://www.missilebases.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.missilebases.com has more info... including an Atlas-F site which is *much* cooler (with a private runway and an actual silo).

  77. Only on Slashdot... by Nate+Fox · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..would this be labeled as 'News' and not 'Its funny. Laugh'.

  78. they said restored. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The advertisement said "restored., not completely remodeled. But, it is possible.

  79. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US by 11+platter+hard+driv · · Score: 1

    This is most appropriate for this posting:

    In A.D. 2101
    War was beginning.
    Captain: What happen ?
    Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
    Operator: We get signal.
    Captain: What !
    Operator: Main screen turn on.
    Captain: It's You !!
    Cats: How are you gentlemen !!
    Cats: All your base are belong to us.
    Cats: You are on the way to destruction.
    Captain: What you say !!
    Cats: You have no chance to survive make your
    time.
    Cats: HA HA HA HA ....
    Captain: Take off every 'zig' !!
    Captain: You know what you doing.
    Captain: Move 'zig'.
    Captain: For great justice.

  80. Re:Here's a link to a picture by CoyoteGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    What university or college did you receive your education from?

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  81. A better use for the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For that price, you can get about 27,500 hours of service from one of these

  82. Re:Sounds like a secure web server / data site to by FFFish · · Score: 2

    I dunno... seems to me it took frigging forever to scramble a fighter to deal with the incoming terrorist jets. Hesitate to guess what kind of hold-ups and hitches there'd be for launching an ICBM.

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  83. Grow a lot of pot! by glrotate · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Actually they tried that. Last summer in the silo just next to it (about 15 miles away) there was a bust of about 10 million hits of LSD. They had been growing a good sized lab for quite awhile.
    • http://www.mapinc.org/ccnews/v00/n1839/a06.html? 34 5
    1. Re:Grow a lot of pot! by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2

      That article is trucated.

      Here's a link to the original SF Gate / SF Chronicle article. It's an interesting article...

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/ ch ronicle/archive/2000/12/07/MN154990.DTL

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  84. saw something like this on PBS by Sebastopol · · Score: 1


    Dang, and i thought it was a pain in the ass sheetrocking my 100'sq bathroom!

    I recall two New Age type people bought a silo like this in Arizona and converted it to 50,000 sqft art studio. It was freakin' BAD ASS. I'm all for subterranean living (my house is kept nice and dark).

    But they needed to "cleanse" the place of bad vibes. This included incense burning, drum playing and chanting. I think that was freakier than the idea of living in the former home of a WOMD (weapon o mass destruction).

    I'm game, but 1.5e6USD is a little steep.

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  85. It would kick major ass to live in one of these. by Maul · · Score: 1

    'Nuff said.

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  86. Flamebait???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Osama bin Laden will surely bid on this."

    How can this be flamebait? Surely the moderator didn't think the suggestion was serious?

  87. Used by LSD kingpin? by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 1

    Does anybody else remember reading a Rolling Stone article (I won't vouch for the general quality of the publication, but this particular article was very interesting.) about the career of one of the major players in the LSD market? One of his unfortunately shady associates (his main dealer, I think) bought and pimped out an old missile silo, if memory serves me correctly. The guy was eventually arrested, and of course all of his property went up for sale. Is this the same silo?

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  88. There's a story about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone wrote an adult story about doing this some years back, should be findable as "Castle in the Sand" by Deana Johns. Prepare for a long read.

  89. old news! by jungwirr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    uh...mah...gawd. That is sooOOOooo October third! I'm all past that and onto action figures already. *sigh*

  90. Conspiracy theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe that's what it's all about. It's going to be bought by some fake person and remain in military use. Then we'll have one silo that maybe isn't being targeted.

    1. Re:Conspiracy theory by xmedar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah I can see it now-

      GWB: No Mr Putin, we didnt fire the missile, we sold that silo back in 2001, it was sold to a Miss Chech Nya, I can fax you the bill of sale if you like..

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  91. Suitable alternative? by HunterZ · · Score: 1

    My cousin once said that he wants to make a house out of a water-tower someday - I wonder if he'd settle for a missile silo?

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  92. The Auction Ended.. by Ikari+Gendou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    High bid djblue42 (20)

    Sure hope this was a gag auction after all, or else djblue42 is gonna have hell to pay...

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  93. Bill Gates' personal bomb shelter.... by mestreBimba · · Score: 1

    This would make one serious hideout. Think of the parties you could throw.

    On a scarier thought some group of terrorist could purchase it and make it a nearly impenetrable fortress......

    Hey how would you like to come back to my pad? It is literally a launch pad.

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  94. Good idea? by jrockway · · Score: 1

    What would stop a criminal or terrorist from buying one of these? I can see it now:

    Police: Open Up *bangs on 47 ton door*
    Criminal: No.
    Police: *gets battering ram, rams door*
    Criminal: *yawn*
    Police: *drives tank into 47 ton door*
    Criminal *snore*
    Police: Aw crap. *missile silo opens, missile launches*
    Criminal: *giggle* ^_^

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  95. Re:Sounds like a secure web server / data site to by Pravada · · Score: 1

    Fighters scrambled from MA to deal with the second plane. Remember, nobody knew what was happening until the first one hit, and the second one only hit after eight minutes. Besides, the contents of the silo don't have to go very far to clear the blast area - they don't have to make it all the way to their targets before the first one hits.

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  96. that would rule by AssFace · · Score: 1

    cable so reception doesn't matter.
    wireless network on the inside.
    as long as you can get a fast connection inside, then that is my ideal pad. I'd love that - you could make it a really kick-ass loft. I never leave my apartment, so that would be great - not to mention those taliban fuckers don't give a shit about Kansas, whereas Boston is a target...

    now I just need the $$.

    and hookers. need them too.

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  97. Hey this is better then.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    When UserFriendly WORKED in a ICBM silo! :) That was a good series. I tell ya one thing....you won't have to worry much about Chemical or Nuclear Warfare....

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  98. UFie by BreakWindows · · Score: 1

    Am thinkink of startink ISP in das silo. Where is Dust Puppy when you need him?

  99. Wamego, Kansas - now strategic deterrant free! by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    Welcome to scenic Wamego, Kansas, the *former* ground zero for the greater Wamego, Kansas area. Feel free to enjoy the open fields, crystalline night sky, and fresh air with only a taint of pollutants from our former friendly neighbors in the SAC! Wamego - now there really is nothing here worth shooting at!

    -This message brought to your by the Wamego Chamber of Commerce.

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  100. You silly by Tony+Shepps · · Score: 2

    The RE agent isn't ALLOWED to mention that, because it's redlining.

  101. Re:Sounds like a secure web server / data site to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nuclear strike scenarios have been played out in wargames and computer simulations for decades. The US military is largely designed for it. Within minutes of a launch, the pentagon would pull the play book matching the launch pattern, and have step by step instructions for how to cope with it. Chances are that one of the steps would be to get the birds out of the nest and in the air in case they were targetted.

    They probably haven't put as much thought into what to do when a flight that suddenly deviates from its course. The military probably wasn't even aware of a problem until the planes were well along on their deviated courses. You can bet that a lot more attention is going to be placed on domestic low grade attack scenarios in the wargames from now on.

  102. I used to live there. by stankyho · · Score: 1

    Well not actually in the Silo. But in Wamego. I spent all of my school years there, moved away when I was 19 to go live in the big city. I remember sneaking over the fence at that place when I was a kid. Last I heard it was a giant LSD lab. Kinda wacky.

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    1. Re:I used to live there. by stankyho · · Score: 1

      Here's the story on the LSD Lab.

      http://www.cjonline.com/stories/111900/kan_lsdla b. shtml

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  103. 40 Minute Commute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem is, it's only a one way commute.

  104. RakeCon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just think how many rakes we could store there!

    RakeCon: The best offense is a good garden rake.

  105. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by Gunnery+Sgt.+Hartman · · Score: 1

    that is some *private* mad-scientist lab space... Actually, that isn't too far off. Almost a year ago, the worldn't largest LSD lab was found in that silo. I believe the reports said that it was not yet operational, but if it was, it could have supplied 15 million doses of the drug, or about a third of the world's supply. They were busted before it started producing, but damn, that's a lot of bad trips mannn.... You can read some about it here.[be a man, click it]

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  106. eBay has it, but is it really 'For Real'? by Mhrmnhrm · · Score: 1

    Looking at the history involved with this auction, a couple of things got me to thinking... First, this auction ran for a month. While I'm not a usual customer to the real estate auctions, the longest I've seen any other eBay auction go for has been 10 days. Can someone shed some light on this? Second, I looked at the feedback on the winning bidder. The person is a music nut. What could (s)he want with a silo (apart from the intrinsic 'cool' value), and where are the coming up with the money? Unless this happens to be some famous artist/individual being discreet, this only makes me more suspicious.

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  107. just ignore this one, laddies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just testing a theory-o-mine...

    My link here.

  108. diff(Michigan, Kansas) by yellowstone · · Score: 2
    yeah I know, I'm in michigan, whats the difference

    There's a lot less beach-front property in Kansas ;-)


    (Score: -1, Not funny; Moderator is a Huskers fan)

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  109. Huge fan to fly around in -- I did that! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    Believe it or not, there was a place in Las Vegas in the mid 80s that did that. They turned a jet engine up in the air and you could fly around in this chamber. I think the place was called "Fly Away" (?).

    They would put several people in at a time, and everyone wore these "flying suits" which had pockets for the air to catch in. Only one person would fly around at time, because they had to adjust the air flow to match your weight. There was a cricle of cushions that lined the chamber that everyone waited on.

    Smaller people seemed to do better than bigger people. My buddy who was maybe 5'6", weighing 130 tops flew around easily. My being 6' 2" about 200 pounds required a lot more air power. :) When you have that much wind power, any small adjustment that you make in your "control surfaces" (i.e., arms and legs) makes a huge difference in how fast you move around. I made the mistake of cocking one leg slightly out and the other leg slightly in, and caused myself to spin around at great speed. :)

    It was a lot of fun, but it was very expensive. It eventually died. Probably cost too much, and I'm sure the insurance was insane, even though they made you sign a monster disclaimer that you understood that you might die from the experience.

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    1. Re:Huge fan to fly around in -- I did that! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Whoa -- I guess I spoke too soon about them being dead. Here they are.

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    2. Re:Huge fan to fly around in -- I did that! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Huge fan to fly around in -- I did that! by yulek · · Score: 1

      Action Park in NJ used to have an Aerodome. there were a bunch of these on the East Coast in the 80s.

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  110. +1 Hackerly on the MQR standard by MarkusQ · · Score: 1
    Maybe that's what it's all about. It's going to be bought by some fake person and remain in military use. Then we'll have one silo that maybe isn't being targeted.

    *laugh* I like the way you think.

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  111. Re:Prop engine, not jet by r2ravens · · Score: 2

    IIRC, the engine was from a DC-3 and turned a horizontal prop that provided the upward air motion. Of course I never actually flew there, but did go in a check out the facility. (I lived there when it was operational in the early 80's.)

    Also, the baggy suit was what made all the difference. You had to wear a pair of coveralls (you can see them in the link in Reality Masters additional post) that had vent holes to fill up with air and help your total surface area and therefore lift.

    (Please don't flame me if I don't have the science of the aerodynamics right. :)

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  112. What? he doesn't take paypal?!? by krogoth · · Score: 1

    He doesn't even take paypal! How can he expect to sell it? :)

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  113. The next Geek Complex?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like it to me. Come on...you mean CmdrTaco can't afford it? Well then make Hemos pitch in.

  114. So cool by macdaddy · · Score: 2

    I know exactly where this is! This is so cool. Wamego is on the east side of Manhattan, KS, better known for Kansas State University where I used to work and school at. This is so cool! I never even knew it was there. There was a big drug bust right around that area a while back IIRC. A buddy of mine said it was in the paper up there.

  115. Re: Pot by macdaddy · · Score: 2

    What you don't know is that there was supposedly a big drug bust very near to that area (ie, within a mile) a while back. I used to live in Manhattan and Wamego is on the edge of Manhattan. I used to drive to the middle of Wamego and north a mile and back west 1/2 mile to my boss's nursery when I did some landscaping work. Pot indeed.

  116. I read about this somewhere. Wasn't it an LSD lab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read about this somewhere. Wasn't this silo being used to manufacture LSD or something? Think I read it in Rolling Stone, recently... Can't remember the details though obviously.

  117. This is obviously a hoax by mutt+lynch · · Score: 1

    No private citizen owns a missile silo. As such, e-bay has ended the auction. An unfortunate waste of space on /. that could have been used for more important news.

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  118. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by truesaer · · Score: 1

    Of all the luck! You've got 3 Million burning a hole in your pocket, and they ruin the sale by posting it on eBay...

  119. Shipping and handling? by FTL · · Score: 2

    Does the buyer have to pay for the postage?

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  120. wrong by bcboy · · Score: 1

    Old Atlas sites are all over that area, and are privately owned. I grew up near one farther south. No one lived in it, and the owner wasn't very attentive, so kids (*cough*) would sneak in to check it out. Mostly they're just big holes in the ground with lots of rusting industrial crap bolted to the walls. The lower levels are usually flooded.

  121. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

    tourist step in, Brain washed hypno-drones step out.!MUahahaha

    How do you tell the difference?

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  122. Been wanting one for years.... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

    I used to tell telemarketers for siding and replacement window companies that I lived in a missle silo (that was back when I lived in Kansas). I checked into it years ago, but they said they were filling them with concrete and weren't interested in selling at the time.

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    1. Re:Been wanting one for years.... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Dang! missle^H^Hile

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  123. That silo was an LSD lab by p-naut · · Score: 0

    check it:

    http://www.cjonline.com/webindepth/missilesilos/ st ories/111900_lsdlab.shtml

  124. Userfriendly.Org's old silo. by PsychoKiller · · Score: 1

    Is this the old silo that the geeks from UF had? Weird timing that that storyline ended as this came up for sale.

  125. MS Passport by Link310 · · Score: 1

    So did anyone notice that ebay is using MS Passport for an alternative sign-in?
    There's a help page on passport that comes up as "last updated Oct/01/01" (http://webhelp.ebay.com/cgi-bin/eHNC/showdoc-ebay .tcl?docid=205668)
    I hope this won't be a "transition"...

  126. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 1

    As if it'd make a difference?

    Whether it's loaded or not, they'll target it anyway, since, after all, it could just as easily be a ruse.

    They're thousands of miles away and unable to inspect it for themselves, and media coverage is always of questionable integrity.

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  127. They're all in the middle of nowhere... by Svartalf · · Score: 2

    That way if someone was going to nuke the silos for the silo's sake it'd be less likely to nuke major population centers.

    There's two properties available in Texas (Near Abilene...), two good ones in NY around the Adirondaks, another site in Central, KS, and one in Oklahoma near Altus. These are more for eccentrics than just rich people. They're for people that want to be left alone at all costs or want a nice integrated space for their business (which is what it looks like the Wamego site was being used for...) albeit underground.

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  128. Y2K Shelter. by graystar · · Score: 1

    Let me guess the ad would go like this:

    "Newly refurbised place. Finished Dec 31 1999. Never been used."

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  129. Geekville! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be nice if all Geeks united and bought
    the silo, to found their own city :)

  130. Re:Sounds like a secure web server / data site to by class_A · · Score: 1

    Someone already did this with an old bunker here in the UK Check it out at http://www.thebunker.net/

  131. Kansas Has Groovy Missle Silos! Check It! by flyneye · · Score: 1

    oh ya! you dont think kansas has anything but ordinary? check this out http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n1839/a06.html? 345
    the cost of living is really nice here too and i got pretty nice bandwidth. now damn thats slack!

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  132. Open Source Game? by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 2

    I always wanted to get or write a nuclear war game. I don't mean something like Missile Command. I mean a strategy game. Start the game at the beginning of the nuclear arms race, with the player being the leader of one of the nations (like in Civ). He would get to make decisions about how much money to spend on weapons, training, R&D, espionage, civil defense, missile defense, etc. He could make decisions about things like signing treaties, research priorities, picking targeting strategies, picking civil defense strategies, swapping or giving away tech, etc. He could change readiness states, evacuate cities, order recon flights, attempt espionage or sabotage, launch attacks (of course), etc. Along the way different problems would arise depending on how wisely the player spent his money and the "world situation." A player who didn't invest much in training and who didn't develop good weapon control procedures would have a higher chance that one of his units would unexpectedly "release" their weapons during high states of alert. Too strict of weapons control would slow down response time and might encourage The Enemy to think they could succeed in a decapitating first strike. A war might stay "cold" for decades, and then suddenly heat up when one side gets enough strategic advantage that they think they can win a nuclear exchange. A well played game might never go "hot."

    'Things are going well and tensions are declining, and all of a sudden the game drops into "real time mode" the alarms go off. The Enemy calls up on the hotline (you did develop and implement The Hotline didn't you?) and says that one of their units has gone rogue (maybe you should have given or leaked Advanced Weapons Control Methods to them) and launched a nuclear tipped ICBM at one of your cities, "It isn't a deliberate attack, please, PLEASE, don't retaliate against our innocent civilians for the crimes of one madman." What do you do? Or everything looks fine, tensions are low, although sunspot activity is running high. Then your Air Defense Command reports a sudden first strike. Only some of the sensors are giving confusing or conflicting data. It could be a computer or sensor glitch; The Enemy has no reason to launch now. If you don't launch before the RVs hit (perhaps you should have invested in Mobile Launchers) then most of your ICBMs will be wiped out in their silos. What do you do?'

    To get a really good sim of nuclear brinksmanship you'd need to have other countries that could have alliances, critical resources, their own nukes (of course), etc. 'Tensions are running high between you and Nuclear Power A, when all of a sudden atomic explosions start lighting up your cities (Suitcase Nukes? Stealth?) and sabotage takes out several of your units. Nuclear Power A is the obvious culprit... except that it could also be Nuclear Power B that is trying to use current tensions to get you and A to wipe ea. other out. Do you launch against A, against B, against everybody*?'

    You'd also want to simulate some basic level of internal economics and politics so that nations could change attitude and power, The Senate could overrule your decisions if your position wasn't "secure" enough, or leaders could get deposed without a shot being fired (the ultimate victory... or loss). That would mean adding non-state actors (like terrorists, revolutionaries, legitimate and "faked" protest groups) and some level of psychological warfare. "Are you sure you want to order all the major cities evacuated, Mr. President? That could hurt your approval rating and our economy considerably. If you are wrong..."

    Oh, and to make the most of it you'd want to add non-nuclear weapons, so you could have Chemical, Biological, and Conventional, arms races and wars along with Nuclear. Although non-nuclear "hot" wars would need great simplification in order to keep the interface manageable. 'You are losing a very important conventional war involving several major allies with critical resources and bases. Releasing the use of tactical nuclear weapons would turn the tide. Doing so could also escalate to a strategic nuclear exchange. Without your allies resources you will not be able to maintain your current weapon parity with The Enemy. What do you do?'

    If done properly and OBJECTIVELY then it could also be a useful teaching tool on Grand Strategy, Games Theory, and The Cold War. Maybe you could even have it so you could alter physics or human nature or add "exotic" weapons to the game to experiment with hypothetical scenarios. A player could try to emulate Stalin or Kennedy, they could try arms reduction talks (trust but verify) with peaceful co-existence or sneak attacks, they could wage "limited" wars or test out that Nuclear Winter theory (something else that might could be customized). Of course, you'd want a multiplayer version. You can see why I have never even bothered to write it... it is a HUGE project. Quite beyond my abilities and free time.

    But, perhaps The Bazaar could do it. I have put the idea in the public domain, is anyone willing and capable of pursuing it?

    * A wargasm as they say, and my likely response.

  133. In Fact, Kansas Is Pretty Surreal by flyneye · · Score: 1

    what kind of people would produce this? http://www.midusa.net/~rsoldan/eden.html/
    kansans are pretty bizzare gus and the further into the sticks you go

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  134. Here's the missles to complete your collection by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    Right here.

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  135. Site showing some refurbishing details by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1
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  136. Wamego, Kansas--LSD lab by plastik55 · · Score: 2
    This base has been pretty extravagantly decked out by previous occupants, and being outside Wamego, I suspect that this is the same same silo that was being used as a large scale LSD synthesis lab a few years back. Which brings up the question, how did it make its way onto EBay?


    Here's an article originally from the San Francisco Chronicle about the LSD missile silo situation. IIRC, there was also a big article about it in Rolling Stone a while ago, but I don't have the issue around to check.

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  137. oh my god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    somebody bought it for 1.5 million $ !

  138. Re:Kansas? Who Cares? by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2
    damn, that's a lot of bad trips mannn...

    It's always so easy to identify people who have never taken LSD--they're the ones who speak of "bad trips" and "flashbacks" and all that COINTELPRO fiction. Maybe you can leave the world of the naïve and join the world of John F. Kennedy, Cary Grant, Carl Sagan, Huston Smith, and other examples of highly effective people who have tripped on LSD.

    it could have supplied 15 million doses of the drug, or about a third of the world's supply

    You must have gotten these statistics from the Dealers of Ecstacy Agency, who must be the ones selling all the drugs, since they seem to know so much about the quantities, prices, etc. Have you noticed that their shingle reads "Drug Enforcement Administration" rather than "Drug Law Enforcement Administration"? It appears they are forcing everyone to take drugs, since per capita consumption of illegal drugs has increased even though over 1,000,000 people are currently jailed on drug charges and over $17,000,000,000 has been stolen from drug users/sellers to finance the police state.

    If all the bad things they said about illegal drugs were true, the ground would be piled about three feet deep with all the bodies of people who jump from buildings in anticipation of flying, and 50% of men would have to wear B- or C-cup bras to hold their enlarged breasts. Alas, the voices of science and reason have been drowned by the baseless rhetoric of politicians. Thank you, Mister Gunnery Sergeant, for serving as such a fine example of the effectiveness of semantic programming.

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