it's not realistic that it be enforced, or if it is to a level that will really hurt anyone.
P2P is a legitimate technology and technology is neither good nor bad, it just IS. If you put up pirated warez and music and your ISP finds you, you probably should be yanked. If you get caught then you should face the consequences. After all you should never gamble if you are not willing to lose.
The problem is the wholesale death of legitimate technologies because someone.... oh ok,..congressmen get paid off.
To the earlier poster posing the question technology..500B a year industry record industry..50B a year who's going to win this fight?
Obviously the record industry. It's just like junior high folks, we geeks don't fight very well. Never have, although our self esteem might be better these days:-)
I am big M$ basher, however quite possibly the only thing worse than M$ is boneheaded legislation passed by dumbass congressmen whose only motivation is who is paying them off. (like that uberass Senator Orrin Hatch).
There's always a chance that market forces, when they get tired of M$ and their bad products, will send people to Linux.
DMCA is the one area where OSS folks and Redmond disciples can both agree. Cut M$ some slack on this one. They are choosing not be jerks about it. They aren't THAT evil (pretty close though)
I am SURE someone has pointed this out already but why can't the junk fax law apply to SPAM as well? That is, why can't there be a smiliar law drafted that applies to SPAM like junk faxes?
SPAM affects EVERYBODY.
Obviously if you are able to compile your own code and it blows up then you are responsible.
If, however, I have to look at a warranty for a Microsoft solution and one that has been more thoroughly tested and implemented in say Red Hat's version of Linux, then hands down I'll take the Red Hat version.
Having to supply a warranty and therefore taking some liability is Microsoft's worse nightmare. Could you imagine being held financially liable for all the failures of IIS (nimda's, Iloveyous and so on)
Open computing will be just fine. The genie will not go back in the bottle. Worried about Palladium? Now seriously, how long do you think it will be before there's a code work around for that? If I'm building a box am I going to include a Palladium component. My ass....
"Microsoft also warned today that the era of "open computing," the free exchange of digital information that has defined the personal computer industry, is ending."
Please.... This is Microsoft wishful thinking. M$ is full of shit and always has been.
The system, the superior one, will always reign supreme. (except for maybe beta).
Good news is that it's long term. With Linux making more and more inroads every day, I wish them luck (well I don't really).
Consumers might think it's a nifty idea being the sheep they are, but governments (like Peruvian Congressman David Villanueva Nuñez) would certainly beg to differ on this being "secure". A foreign entity having this kind of control on their machines?
NSA has already thrown considerable weight behind Security Enhanced Linux. The good news is that NSA has to pretty much approve all software installed on US government machines on any large scale. You can bet your booty that there will be some security/encryption protecting government machines but it will be the spooks behind the triple fence doing it and not M$.
We already see a fragmenting now between consumer and business. XP is being deployed on home user machines more and more while Uncle Sammy won't even consider it.
Too bad for M$, it was just enough time for the alternative to gain heavy credibility.
So for home users, sure they'll get "protection". Sadly for M$, you screwed up too badly for too long. The Linux genie will not go back into the bottle.
With
whitearyanresistance.com, org and net. I just wrote a Perl script that would randomly throw people to other sites like algore2000.com, blacksonblondes.com, Southern Poverty Law Center and other places.
It did get me a few death threats and a mention on the weekly radio program of white supremacist and uber sister smoocher Tom Metzger's.
So to Emmanuel Goldstein, CONGRATULATIONS! You have certainly taken your ideas to lengths that would stop other men cold. Most people would give up after the first lawsuit.
To others, if you want to do some nifty activism, hijack urls of organizations you can't stand. If it isn't a registered trademark (which "white aryan resistance" wasn't) you can have fun and get death threats (mostly from illiterates).
Ooops, almost forgot, oftentimes negotiated hotel rates are available to travel agents as well so your six family memebers won't have to stay with YOU.
Seriously, use a travel agent. They know more than you and they are better at it.
There are good reasons why...
Many times when checking airfares from online services you aren't getting all prices, for instance since Southwest opts out of all online GDS systems like SABRE, Worldspan and so on. The only way to get the lowest price is to include them as well. This doesn't even get into negotiated rates which many travel agents have (mainly corporate agencies) with carriers where they receive X% off a certain carrier.
Travel agents have over the years built up a wealth of knowledge through their travels via FAM (familiarization) trips and ID25 tickets (tickets purchased at 25% of the coach fare, very common before airlines turned into the dickweeds they are today). There's a good chance they can budget that for you or speak with a client who has done this before and has a good grasp of the figures.
Other reason for using a travel agent include the fact that when airlines have schedule changes, or worse, change equipment (switch to smaller equipment because of a flight not meeting yield) your prized window/aisle seat is lost, airlines are notorious for not calling you. These kinds of changes show up in agency res queues and they can handle it for you.
I worked for American Airlines as a reservations agent and later as a SABRE developer and was a travel agency manager for a few years and without question I only use knowledgable travel agents.
Some of the ways of opting out are obvious, fake names for store loyalty cards, etc.
Don't forget to remove all of your usenet postings from Google. To prevent articles from being added to the Google Groups archive, add 'X-No-Archive: yes' in the header of the article when you post. If your news posting software does not allow you to edit headers, type 'X-No-Archive: yes' as the first line of your post.
A fight between the 800 pound gorillas and the public suffers.
You could launch a record and get it played on the radio for cheaper but it won't be on Clear Channel. Clear Channel does all kinds of evil stuff besides that, like piping in remote DJs and making you think they are local.
This sort of battle was inevitable when the FCC lifted regulations on radio ownership.
The solution for you, the public might be to try to patronize stations that are not conglomerate owned.
I DO listen to one radio station that is both terrestrial and internet streaming: 97X out of Oxford Ohio. Here's some of the NEW stuff I'm enjoying..
Elvis Costello
Hives
Cornershop
Idelwild
Girls Against Boys The complete playlist is here
Great music that is bucking the current cock-rock trend of Linkin Park, System of a Down, Korn, etc. being offered by local Washington DC suck ass radio in the form of WHFS and it's "Most Played" list. (It's not Clear Channel, It's CBS, just as bad)
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it's not realistic that it be enforced, or if it is to a level that will really hurt anyone.
:-)
P2P is a legitimate technology and technology is neither good nor bad, it just IS. If you put up pirated warez and music and your ISP finds you, you probably should be yanked. If you get caught then you should face the consequences. After all you should never gamble if you are not willing to lose.
The problem is the wholesale death of legitimate technologies because someone.... oh ok,..congressmen get paid off.
To the earlier poster posing the question
technology..500B a year industry
record industry..50B a year
who's going to win this fight?
Obviously the record industry. It's just like junior high folks, we geeks don't fight very well. Never have, although our self esteem might be better these days
I am big M$ basher, however quite possibly the only thing worse than M$ is boneheaded legislation passed by dumbass congressmen whose only motivation is who is paying them off. (like that uberass Senator Orrin Hatch).
There's always a chance that market forces, when they get tired of M$ and their bad products, will send people to Linux.
DMCA is the one area where OSS folks and Redmond disciples can both agree. Cut M$ some slack on this one. They are choosing not be jerks about it. They aren't THAT evil (pretty close though)
I am SURE someone has pointed this out already but why can't the junk fax law apply to SPAM as well? That is, why can't there be a smiliar law drafted that applies to SPAM like junk faxes? SPAM affects EVERYBODY.
Yes, it's off topic... but TRUE!!!!!
Could assholes like Jack Valenti and Bud Selig have their positions.
Obviously if you are able to compile your own code and it blows up then you are responsible. If, however, I have to look at a warranty for a Microsoft solution and one that has been more thoroughly tested and implemented in say Red Hat's version of Linux, then hands down I'll take the Red Hat version. Having to supply a warranty and therefore taking some liability is Microsoft's worse nightmare. Could you imagine being held financially liable for all the failures of IIS (nimda's, Iloveyous and so on)
Instead of water use corn mash! Operate a little distillery from your PC!
Use Seti@Home to crank out some extra cycles for big batches!
"I was running Distiller, and it wasn't Adobe".
This started out as being a way kool gathering but now it's like Burning Man. It's "DefCon - The Event"
Open computing will be just fine. The genie will not go back in the bottle. Worried about Palladium? Now seriously, how long do you think it will be before there's a code work around for that? If I'm building a box am I going to include a Palladium component. My ass....
"Microsoft also warned today that the era of "open computing," the free exchange of digital information that has defined the personal computer industry, is ending."
Please....
This is Microsoft wishful thinking. M$ is full of shit and always has been.
The system, the superior one, will always reign supreme. (except for maybe beta).
Does Netgear or Cisco make a router for pacemakers yet?
When the industry started talking copy protection, his question to them was "then we can get rid of the tax on blank CDRs right?"
Wish I lived in VA and could vote for this man in the next election. It's about time someone "got it" like Rick does.
They have composite inputs. (They were real fun to mess around with in the days of DCTV)
Just get you a VGA to SVideo/Composite cable (y cable) and you're in business.
You can usually get 1084s off eBay for around 50 bucks.
Hope this helps.
The same people who are bringing you Duke Nukem sequel!
Oh the pain....why must we be taunted so?
Instead of water use corn mash! Operate a little distillery from your PC!
Use Seti@Home to crank out some extra cycles!
"I was running Distiller, and it wasn't Adobe".
JC
Good news is that it's long term. With Linux making more and more inroads every day, I wish them luck (well I don't really).
Consumers might think it's a nifty idea being the sheep they are, but governments (like Peruvian Congressman David Villanueva Nuñez) would certainly beg to differ on this being "secure". A foreign entity having this kind of control on their machines?
NSA has already thrown considerable weight behind Security Enhanced Linux. The good news is that NSA has to pretty much approve all software installed on US government machines on any large scale. You can bet your booty that there will be some security/encryption protecting government machines but it will be the spooks behind the triple fence doing it and not M$.
We already see a fragmenting now between consumer and business. XP is being deployed on home user machines more and more while Uncle Sammy won't even consider it.
Too bad for M$, it was just enough time for the alternative to gain heavy credibility.
So for home users, sure they'll get "protection". Sadly for M$, you screwed up too badly for too long. The Linux genie will not go back into the bottle.
Thankfully for all of us.
http://www.2600.ca
:-)
JC
With whitearyanresistance.com, org and net. I just wrote a Perl script that would randomly throw people to other sites like algore2000.com, blacksonblondes.com, Southern Poverty Law Center and other places.
It did get me a few death threats and a mention on the weekly radio program of white supremacist and uber sister smoocher Tom Metzger's.
So to Emmanuel Goldstein, CONGRATULATIONS! You have certainly taken your ideas to lengths that would stop other men cold. Most people would give up after the first lawsuit.
To others, if you want to do some nifty activism, hijack urls of organizations you can't stand. If it isn't a registered trademark (which "white aryan resistance" wasn't) you can have fun and get death threats (mostly from illiterates).
It's fun, try it.
Ooops, almost forgot, oftentimes negotiated hotel rates are available to travel agents as well so your six family memebers won't have to stay with YOU.
Seriously, use a travel agent. They know more than you and they are better at it.
There are good reasons why... Many times when checking airfares from online services you aren't getting all prices, for instance since Southwest opts out of all online GDS systems like SABRE, Worldspan and so on. The only way to get the lowest price is to include them as well. This doesn't even get into negotiated rates which many travel agents have (mainly corporate agencies) with carriers where they receive X% off a certain carrier.
Travel agents have over the years built up a wealth of knowledge through their travels via FAM (familiarization) trips and ID25 tickets (tickets purchased at 25% of the coach fare, very common before airlines turned into the dickweeds they are today). There's a good chance they can budget that for you or speak with a client who has done this before and has a good grasp of the figures.
Other reason for using a travel agent include the fact that when airlines have schedule changes, or worse, change equipment (switch to smaller equipment because of a flight not meeting yield) your prized window/aisle seat is lost, airlines are notorious for not calling you. These kinds of changes show up in agency res queues and they can handle it for you.
I worked for American Airlines as a reservations agent and later as a SABRE developer and was a travel agency manager for a few years and without question I only use knowledgable travel agents.
Some of the ways of opting out are obvious, fake names for store loyalty cards, etc.
Don't forget to remove all of your usenet postings from Google. To prevent articles from being added to the Google Groups archive, add 'X-No-Archive: yes' in the header of the article when you post. If your news posting software does not allow you to edit headers, type 'X-No-Archive: yes' as the first line of your post.
Then post all under fake names after that.
Ah the beauty of the nice community here at /.
Wish I could mod this up.
A fight between the 800 pound gorillas and the public suffers.
/. geek would love this station merely for the technical expertise that Bill Goldsmith pulled off when he set this up.
You could launch a record and get it played on the radio for cheaper but it won't be on Clear Channel. Clear Channel does all kinds of evil stuff besides that, like piping in remote DJs and making you think they are local.
This sort of battle was inevitable when the FCC lifted regulations on radio ownership.
The solution for you, the public might be to try to patronize stations that are not conglomerate owned.
I DO listen to one radio station that is both terrestrial and internet streaming: 97X out of Oxford Ohio. Here's some of the NEW stuff I'm enjoying..
Elvis Costello
Hives
Cornershop
Idelwild
Girls Against Boys
The complete playlist is here
Great music that is bucking the current cock-rock trend of Linkin Park, System of a Down, Korn, etc. being offered by local Washington DC suck ass radio in the form of WHFS and it's "Most Played" list. (It's not Clear Channel, It's CBS, just as bad)
Then there's Radio Paradise.
Any
Just boycott Clear Channel. Turn it off.....
You needn't follow the flock is you refuse to be part of it.
Is a great infoporn story in the latest Wired.
Finally an open source analogy your grandmother can understand
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