Seems like the Iraqy has taken a leaf out of the russian bok - trading land for time until they engage in a decicive battle and / or can attack the lines of supply.
Looks like they read those russian books wrong;)
Iraqis do not have vast territory to retreat from.
They don't have cold winter to try to freeze unprepared enemys.
They don't have woods to hide partisans in.
Lines of supply are fine to target, but coalition have transport aviation to resupply remote troops.
CNN is an American company. I'm an American. I don't want to see negative stories about my country. If they show me negative stories, I might change the channel.
It's a wrong point of view. You can't blame whole country for something done by one person (the President for example) or other responsible party.
It's kind of childish - somebody screwed up and then evereybody's smeared. From the other hand it's typical for propaganda purposes.
CNN has enough money to hire best of the best who does not need to be guided what to show. They try to be objective and show different points of view. That's why people watch them.
As for the advantages of OpenBSD, it is smaller, far less complex to setup/configure/maintain, more secure, and has plenty of great programs that FreeBSD lacks (Systrace and PF kick ass).
Hmm, how much smaller? Do you have number at hand or just think so?
I don't see much complexity in FreeBSD setup/configure/maintain... If OpenBSD even less complex then it's missing some features?
Do you have bigger list of "great programs that FreeBSD lacks"? BTW there is a systrace port for FreeBSD -http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/systr ace-for-FreeBSD4.5.tgz and instead of PF you could use IPFW or IPF or both simultaneously;P
Couple years ago I tried to run OpenBSD on 486. I remember it was definitely slower than FreeBSD on the same hardware.. No benchmarks were run though.
Basically I don't see much difference in running any BSD on embedded or small system. Manuel Kasper who implemented MiniBSD just liked/knew FreeBSD more.
People still use it because apps were built interoperable with sendmail, and are configured that way by default, and most admins do not want to chase the interoperability configuration around. It is easier to just apply the myriad patches to sendmail, and of course there is the side benefit of using the sendmail OReilly book as a doorstop (you gotta wonder why it is the longest tech book OReilly sells).
Well, it's not exactly it. People use it because of features - it's more configurable than any MTA.
You don't have to have miriad patches - you just use newer version. Miriad incompatible patches it's a qmail way.
Most of my machines are on a non-capability-enabled OS, so I run qmail-smtpd in a chroot environment as a non-root UID. I've tried to take the same approach with Sendmail, but it requires considerably more effort and more system resources (launching new 'sendmail' instances from tcpserver is one culprit).
You may consider using FreeBSD jail.
man jail
It goes further than chroot - even jailed root can't escape.
I'd like something I can have up and running and doing EVERYTHING my sendmail config does in a few hours, at most.
EVERYTHING ???
It's just impossible. Sendmail complexity just follows mail delivery/routing complexity. If somebody happy with something like qmail - it just means that MTA setup is pretty simple.
BTW sendmail upgrade is easy - you don't need to re-install it.
To all the sendmail people who claimed "Oh, sendmail has been fixed, there hasn't been an exploit for years", a big "we told you so". Why do people just
believe that *this* time, finally, all will be well with sendmail?
I am for copyleft, and that means I should not be allowed to hoard code.
Just publish the code.
> What part of them releasing Watcom like this don't you like?
As I said, not being neither copyleft nor GNU GPL compatible.
Oh, your religion is pretty strange. Naming software "free" and limiting it's use is kind of deceiving.. But no worry - playing with words is OK for religious zealots.
As Stallman put nicely - " Using the ordinary GPL for a library gives free software developers an advantage over proprietary developers: a library that they can use, while proprietary developers cannot use it."
So GPL is about getting advantages over other people, right?
> Or are you basing you complaint on the technical merits of the thing?
Also. Notice is is limited only to one proprietary platform, that it has not been kept up-to-date, and that it was not viable not even to its vendor.
So you have not tested it and dislike it out of blue. And regarding proprietary - haven't you noticed? - they plan to port it to Linux and FreeBSD.
You omitted the word commercially.They said "no longer commerciably viable". It narrows nonviability area, isn't it?
My main problem i have with BSD is the "rip-me-of-and-piss-on-me" license.
It's just sooo wrong...
It is so much FUD. Get your facts straight.
If you are talking about Microsoft - they used BSD code in some networking utilities but did not do any secret changes to them. In case of Kerberos they have their proprietary extensions, but they did not use code - well, they just have enough programmers to rewrite almost everything.
It does not matter if product GPLed or proprietary they could have better product just because they have enough money and people.
By the way why didn't Microsoft take over Apache, BIND, Sendmail, OpenSSH? They all use same license..
Main consumers of BSD code are UNIX
vendors. They have their changes, but they tend to conform to standarts. There are also Darwin and OS X and it looks like they have clean separation between open and proprietary code. and some technologieas are opening - like Rendevouz. I don't see how anything of this could hurt free or open software.
Why can you use your native language / characterset and aren't others not allowed to use theirs?
Could you use your native language and characterset in in IP addresses?
:)))
It's not a big deal - URL in someone's native language. It's just unwashed webmasters masses starting to produce unreadable URLs scares me. I imagine Indian user typing japanese URL, or cutting and pasting it....
The Russian goverment offially approves only ISO 8859-5
Just clarification - there was GOST 19768-74, which was superseded by GOST 19768-93. There are Soviet (then Russian) federal standarts regarding KOI7 and KOI8 charsets.
So Russian government suppose to support at least two charsets..
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Looks like they read those russian books wrong ;)
Iraqis do not have vast territory to retreat from.
They don't have cold winter to try to freeze unprepared enemys.
They don't have woods to hide partisans in.
Lines of supply are fine to target, but coalition have transport aviation to resupply remote troops.
Well, maybe they read their book upside down ;)
It's a wrong point of view. You can't blame whole country for something done by one person (the President for example) or other responsible party.
It's kind of childish - somebody screwed up and then evereybody's smeared. From the other hand it's typical for propaganda purposes.
CNN has enough money to hire best of the best who does not need to be guided what to show. They try to be objective and show different points of view. That's why people watch them.
Well, check out NetBSD - they support 39 platforms('ports').
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/
Hmm, how much smaller? Do you have number at hand or just think so?
I don't see much complexity in FreeBSD setup/configure/maintain... If OpenBSD even less complex then it's missing some features?
Do you have bigger list of "great programs that FreeBSD lacks"? BTW there is a systrace port for FreeBSD -http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/systrace/systr ace-for-FreeBSD4.5.tgz ;P
and instead of PF you could use IPFW or IPF or both simultaneously
Couple years ago I tried to run OpenBSD on 486. I remember it was definitely slower than FreeBSD on the same hardware.. No benchmarks were run though.
Basically I don't see much difference in running any BSD on embedded or small system. Manuel Kasper who implemented MiniBSD just liked/knew FreeBSD more.
Hmm - there is already an info for info ;)
Well, it's not exactly it. People use it because of features - it's more configurable than any MTA.
You don't have to have miriad patches - you just use newer version.
Miriad incompatible patches it's a qmail way.
BTW there is a third edition of Sendmail book ;)
You may consider using FreeBSD jail.
man jail
It goes further than chroot - even jailed root can't escape.
EVERYTHING ???
It's just impossible. Sendmail complexity just follows mail delivery/routing complexity. If somebody happy with something like qmail - it just means that MTA setup is pretty simple.
BTW sendmail upgrade is easy - you don't need to re-install it.
It's still a vulnerability - it's not an exploit.
It just means Dan does not want to merge a lot of patches flying around.
It means sendmail add more functionality and qmail is being the same as it was four years ago..
BTW - "there are no known exploits of this vulnerability". And, basically there were almost no security issues with sendmail since maybe 1997.
Just publish the code.
> What part of them releasing Watcom like this don't you like?
As I said, not being neither copyleft nor GNU GPL compatible.
Oh, your religion is pretty strange. Naming software "free" and limiting it's use is kind of deceiving.. But no worry - playing with words is OK for religious zealots.
As Stallman put nicely - " Using the ordinary GPL for a library gives free software developers an advantage over proprietary developers: a library that they can use, while proprietary developers cannot use it."
So GPL is about getting advantages over other people, right?
> Or are you basing you complaint on the technical merits of the thing?
Also. Notice is is limited only to one proprietary platform, that it has not been kept up-to-date, and that it was not viable not even to its vendor.
So you have not tested it and dislike it out of blue. And regarding proprietary - haven't you noticed? - they plan to port it to Linux and FreeBSD.
You omitted the word commercially.They said "no longer commerciably viable". It narrows nonviability area, isn't it?
*cough* security/stability *cough*
And yes, their perception of product strengths is different ;)
It's just sooo wrong ...
It is so much FUD. Get your facts straight.
If you are talking about Microsoft - they used BSD code in some networking utilities but did not do any secret changes to them. In case of Kerberos they have their proprietary extensions, but they did not use code - well, they just have enough programmers to rewrite almost everything. It does not matter if product GPLed or proprietary they could have better product just because they have enough money and people.
By the way why didn't Microsoft take over Apache, BIND, Sendmail, OpenSSH? They all use same license..
Main consumers of BSD code are UNIX vendors. They have their changes, but they tend to conform to standarts. There are also Darwin and OS X and it looks like they have clean separation between open and proprietary code. and some technologieas are opening - like Rendevouz. I don't see how anything of this could hurt free or open software.
HOW COULD IT DAMAGE FREE SOFTWARE?
And what's the difference if BSD code used by Microsoft or IBM or Sun or Apple ? Or any other company or organisation or government?
Could you use your native language and characterset in in IP addresses?
It's not a big deal - URL in someone's native language. It's just unwashed webmasters masses starting to produce unreadable URLs scares me. I imagine Indian user typing japanese URL, or cutting and pasting it....
Zee tee zee oh five ate ate ay dot ecks ecks que see jay eye dot oh are gee.
Should be - ;)))
Zet tee zet...
Just clarification - there was GOST 19768-74, which was superseded by GOST 19768-93. There are Soviet (then Russian) federal standarts regarding KOI7 and KOI8 charsets.
So Russian government suppose to support at least two charsets..
Regarding sendmail - you have to send some error messages, daily reports etc. It's essential part of system. You may use other MTAs but why bother?
I know UUCP was phased out from FreeBSD 5.0. I think OpenBSD will follow.
You can't steal anything that already free.
It was not quantity of pages served - it was amount of concurrent opened connections to box.
What graphical interface? I use mouse to cut'n'paste in text mode
And having three buttons really helps.
They push release further and further back, it's still vaporware and suddenly it has gone gold ???
http://www.emergency.com/rpg7.htm
And I played Master Of Orion from it's beginning (1993).
but on
1. sidewalks,
2. bike lanes,
3. roads
Go figure ;)