The one that it said it would leave and set to OPT_OUT, and then a ASPSESSION one. So they are still tracking you, no matter what they say.
That ASPSESSION cookie is set by any site using IIS and ASP. It's one of the "features" of Microsoft's web server. In order to keep track of things like session variables, ISS sets a cookie in your web browser. There's no way around this, except to not use IIS and ASP.
As proof, I run a web server locally (PWS, the Win98 version of IIS), and occasionally use Lynx (yes, there's a Windows version). I have Lynx's startup page set to localhost, and tell it to ask me about cookies. Every time I start Lynx, I get:
Mostly, the ease at which 'tallica and NetPD invaded my privacy -- not only my privacy, but millions of people
I'm curious at to exactly how they invaded your privacy, or anyone's.
Metallica wanted a list of people trading MP3s of thier songs. NetPD logged onto Napster's servers, searched for "Metallica," and made note of all the names that popped up. This is no different from the thousands of other people looking for Metallica MP3s, except, of course, the intent was different.
Anyone with a copy of the Napster software could have done exactly this. Granted, it would have taken far longer. The fact remains, though, that when you sign onto Napster, you make your list of shared MP3s available to anyone who signs onto that same server. If you don't like that, then don't use Napster.
The language changes, the meanings of words drift and mutate. Deal with it.
You're suggesting that, when people are rude an offensive, I should just "deal with it?" I think not.
Don't get me wrong here -- I'm not some crazy overly "PC" bastard. To hell with political correctness. There's a difference between trying to stop people from saying things that might be offensive, though, and asking them to stop saying things that are.
You're right, meanings of words do change. And as it stands right now, "gay" means "homosexual." It does not mean "dumb" or "stupid." People insist on using it that way, though, and the end result is they end up offending people like me. And if you want to take an extremist view, they make the world an increasingly more hostile place in the eyes of gay kids, who hear these comments and think that everyone has something against them, for no good reason.
That's the gayest thing ever, even gayer than NSI saying they own your domain name I feel.
What grade are we in, now? Third?
I wonder if the people who use the word "gay" like this even think about what they're saying. I suppose it doesn't really matter, though, because either way, it's just as insulting to people who are gay, have gay friends or relatives, etc.
Aside from those issues, do you really think that anyone is going to take you seriously now?
You don't see people (at least, not that I'm aware of) using, say, "spick," "wop," or "nigger" as insults anymore. Why is using "gay" any different? It's just as insulting to the group you're making fun of, whether you realize it or not.
Maybe it won't offer me a terrible amount of extra protection -- heck, I probably won't be doing anything that would need the protection anyway -- but if I can get a similar deal with an overseas provider that I can get within the States, then why not?
I'm already going with a.cx domain, I've decided =) com, net, and org are getting overdone. Especially com.
I'm going to be getting my own domain sometime soon, and the more I see things like this, the more I'm interested in finding a hosting company outside the USA.
Can anybody reccomend an affordable (Around 20 USD/month) hosting service that's outside the US, offers linux/unix-based hosting, and has a decent selection of features? (See here for a good idea of what I'd like ["Bronze" version])
It's the only thing she's ever used, so she takes the crashes as part of daily life on computers.
In one breath, you say that you haven't seen a good explanation of why MS sucks...and in the next, you say this.
I say you answered your own question.
Yes, Microsoft does the job for an incredibly large number of people, and for them, it does it well. I've had to tell my mother far too many times, though, that the innumerable flukes on her computer are because "that's just the way it is" to give MS any respect.
My high school has a radio station, and if you're lucky enough, you can get a couple of hours each week for a few months to goof off on the air. Take any episode of Geeks in Space, take out the parts where they actually talk about news, and insert some music, and you've got exactly what these high school radio shows sounded like, complete with the occasional comment about how nobody's probably listening =)
No way to escape quotes in a string??? Are you kidding me?
Yup, whoever told you that was kidding. Just use two quotes in a row. The string > becomes:
"He said, ""Why me?"""
ASP is good for really small projects, but trying to do something involved with it is so frustrating.
I'm not going to argue with this, but I will say that it definitely can be done. So far, the worst thing I've done with it was Tic-Tac-Toe. Or here if you want to see the source.
Normally, I don't think Katz's articles are as bad as most people do. But this one went way too far.
How is this an outrage? The individuals that Metallica is going after did commit a crime, after all. What happened to everyone thinking it was rediculous to be suing Napster -- after all, wasn't there a recent ruling saying that companies aren't responsible for what goes through their networks?
Metallica is taking a much more rational course of action by going after the people who are actually breaking the law. This is aside from the fact that Katz seems to have conveniently forgotten Napster's offer to shut down any accounts that they were told were trading the band's music. If you want to bitch at anyone for a "thoughtless assault on privacy and freedom," this time it's Napster's turn to take the heat.
Andre Young, aka Dr. Dre, previously sent Napster a letter asking the company to remove his songs from its lists. [...]
"Their only response was (to say that) the songs aren't on their servers, and if (Young) will send a letter under penalty of perjury identifying specific songs and users that they would restrict those users," King said.
"That was not a satisfactory response. That was a comical response."
WTF? No, that was a comical response.
You'd think that, if these people were getting into a lawsuit, they'd at least know what they're suing.
What if we created "regional TLD's", with the stipulation that the company be within an appropriate region.
These already exist, though I'm not sure of the way to go about getting an address in one. The reason they never caught on is because they're really long, comparatively. Would you rather have www.mysite.com, or www.mysite.bos.ma.us? Schools them, though. My school's website, though I doubt anyone would be interested in it, is www.holliston.k12.ma.us.
Note: I'm not sure if it's currently divided up by city/region, but I know there's state ones. The Massacusetts state website, for example is www.state.ma.us. Guess what the state sites for CA, OH, NE, and AK are?
Given the opinion that a lot of slashdotters seem to have of Metallica, I should probably get out the asbestos suit for this post, but whatever.
I love Metallica's music. Everything from their really early days to their S&M album. (And to all you people bitching about Metallica somehow being a sellout or what-have-you for doing this concert, keep in mind that it was largely Michael Kamen's idea [he's the conductor for the SFSO])
Having said that, while I like their music, I've never really had an opinion of the band members themselves, because I've never paid much attention to them. However, I think this lawsuit is a little rediculous. I'm going to apply some of my thoughts on software piracy to this, since music piracy is similar enough. Companies that complain about money lost to piracy are basing that on the principle that they owned my money before I gave it to them. In reality, they did not lose any money; they simply did not make more. (Please note that I am not defending software piracy, I am merely attacking corporate philosophy on it.)
Having said that, this lawsuit looks like nothing more to me than greed. And yes, I'll gladly put myself in their shoes and take another look at this issue. Would I be pissed off that people were trading my music without paying for it? Probably. Would I hunt down someone to sue for it? I would hope not. Napster may be used 99.999% for illegal trading of music, and it's impossible to prove that this was or wasn't their intent in writing the program, but they shouldn't be held responsible for what gets traded on their network. Metallica might as well sue Al Gore while they're at it. After all, he invented the internet, and without the 'net, this wouldn't be possible, right? =)
Anyway, I won't be "donating" any money to the band through this site, even though it appeals to the part of me that loves a nice, sarcastic response to situations like this. I do still plan on completing my collection of Metallica CDs, though (it's dismally small at the moment). I may not like what they're doing, but I still like their music.
Forgive me if this has been posted already, I don't have the time to sort through over 600 posts.
My question for Pinkerton is this: If you've read all the previous comments like you said, you must have seen the innumerable people relating your program to Hitler's Nazi Youth, and to the movie that shares the name of your program.
Do you see the relations here? If not, why? And what is your response to these comments?
Thanks to your suggestions, I figured out that, yes, my IP is being attached to outgoing mail. I still don't know if AOL is intercepting my mail and routing it through their servers, but it doesn't matter now, because I just signed up for a new ISP. =)
Okay, I'll be up front: I use AOL. Not by choice, okay?
Anywho, I just recently had two emails (going to Geocities) bounced back to me, saying basically that mail from AOL is blocked for that domain.
What confuses the hell out of me is that this email should never have gone through AOL! I have an SMTP account at silverlight.org, and my email was going through there. And I know it isn't that Silverlight is being blocked, because the message specified an AOL IP.
My immediate reaction, which I see someone else has also posted, was "What right does AOL have to say what Frankel can and can't work on in his off time?"
Well, I don't know what kind of deal he signed with AOL, but there may very well be some sort of clause in there restricting this sort of thing. Now, Frankel is a smart guy. He probably wouldn't have accepted the deal if there was something horribly restrictive in there. But the issue here may be more subtle.
Even if there's no legal issue in terms of his contract with AOL, there is the fact that he's closely related to AOL->Time/Warner->Music Industry, and having someone in this family tree writing software that goes against the Family would not be a Good Thing. Anybody else writing a Gnutella-type program would probably be subject to the same kind of treatment.
Another thought is, of course, related to the nature of open source. I don't know if source was released yesterday or not with this program, I didn't have time to check out the site. If it was, though, someone else can easily continue this project. Seems kind of odd for me to say after my above comment, but you have to admit that this program has a better chance of survival outside of The Family, no?
Frankly, this is a piece of software that i want to see out there. I'm reminded of hotline, only better...which makes me think, how come nobody's filed lawsuits over hotline? Was it just timing?
Finally, just to make sure my position is clear, AOL is sucks.
I'd honestly love to get my hands on a copy of this list just to do my own analysis on it which I'm SURE would show that peacefire is completely stacking the deck in their reports...
I didn't see their software for CP up on their site yet. I can't imagine it'll take them long, though. However, I downloaded the X-Block list and their decryption tools for that, analyzed *twice* the number of sites they did, and found their results to be pretty darn accurate.
Also, some people might say that they're skewing the results by only looking at edu sites. For one, they're explicitly telling you, right up front, that's what they're doing. And secondly, there's a higher signal/noise ratio in com and net, which means it's a lot easier to find errors in edu, where there isn't as much stuff that warrants censoring to begin with.
"I don't trust that Peacefire is telling the truth,"
I do, and with good reason. I downloaded the data file and decryption tool for their last test (on X-Stop), and found their results to be pretty darn accurate. You can find my results for that one at http://silverlight.org/cray/xstop/
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That ASPSESSION cookie is set by any site using IIS and ASP. It's one of the "features" of Microsoft's web server. In order to keep track of things like session variables, ISS sets a cookie in your web browser. There's no way around this, except to not use IIS and ASP.
As proof, I run a web server locally (PWS, the Win98 version of IIS), and occasionally use Lynx (yes, there's a Windows version). I have Lynx's startup page set to localhost, and tell it to ask me about cookies. Every time I start Lynx, I get:
localhost cookie: ASPSESSION=FANJPPAAJCAA Allow? (Y/N/Always/never)
Or some similar string.
I'm curious at to exactly how they invaded your privacy, or anyone's.
Metallica wanted a list of people trading MP3s of thier songs. NetPD logged onto Napster's servers, searched for "Metallica," and made note of all the names that popped up. This is no different from the thousands of other people looking for Metallica MP3s, except, of course, the intent was different.
Anyone with a copy of the Napster software could have done exactly this. Granted, it would have taken far longer. The fact remains, though, that when you sign onto Napster, you make your list of shared MP3s available to anyone who signs onto that same server. If you don't like that, then don't use Napster.
You're suggesting that, when people are rude an offensive, I should just "deal with it?" I think not.
Don't get me wrong here -- I'm not some crazy overly "PC" bastard. To hell with political correctness. There's a difference between trying to stop people from saying things that might be offensive, though, and asking them to stop saying things that are.
You're right, meanings of words do change. And as it stands right now, "gay" means "homosexual." It does not mean "dumb" or "stupid." People insist on using it that way, though, and the end result is they end up offending people like me. And if you want to take an extremist view, they make the world an increasingly more hostile place in the eyes of gay kids, who hear these comments and think that everyone has something against them, for no good reason.
What grade are we in, now? Third?
I wonder if the people who use the word "gay" like this even think about what they're saying. I suppose it doesn't really matter, though, because either way, it's just as insulting to people who are gay, have gay friends or relatives, etc.
Aside from those issues, do you really think that anyone is going to take you seriously now?
You don't see people (at least, not that I'm aware of) using, say, "spick," "wop," or "nigger" as insults anymore. Why is using "gay" any different? It's just as insulting to the group you're making fun of, whether you realize it or not.
I'm already going with a .cx domain, I've decided =) com, net, and org are getting overdone. Especially com.
Can anybody reccomend an affordable (Around 20 USD/month) hosting service that's outside the US, offers linux/unix-based hosting, and has a decent selection of features? (See here for a good idea of what I'd like ["Bronze" version])
I say you answered your own question.
Yes, Microsoft does the job for an incredibly large number of people, and for them, it does it well. I've had to tell my mother far too many times, though, that the innumerable flukes on her computer are because "that's just the way it is" to give MS any respect.
My high school has a radio station, and if you're lucky enough, you can get a couple of hours each week for a few months to goof off on the air. Take any episode of Geeks in Space, take out the parts where they actually talk about news, and insert some music, and you've got exactly what these high school radio shows sounded like, complete with the occasional comment about how nobody's probably listening =)
Hmm...you're from 4guysfromrolla.com, eh? What a coincidence, considering I've used your website to learn about half what I know of ASP/VBScript =)
Whoops, somehow forgot I can't use angle brackets... that should read:
The string <<He said, "Why me?">>
Yup, whoever told you that was kidding. Just use two quotes in a row. The string > becomes:
"He said, ""Why me?"""
I'm not going to argue with this, but I will say that it definitely can be done. So far, the worst thing I've done with it was Tic-Tac-Toe. Or here if you want to see the source.
How is this an outrage? The individuals that Metallica is going after did commit a crime, after all. What happened to everyone thinking it was rediculous to be suing Napster -- after all, wasn't there a recent ruling saying that companies aren't responsible for what goes through their networks?
Metallica is taking a much more rational course of action by going after the people who are actually breaking the law. This is aside from the fact that Katz seems to have conveniently forgotten Napster's offer to shut down any accounts that they were told were trading the band's music. If you want to bitch at anyone for a "thoughtless assault on privacy and freedom," this time it's Napster's turn to take the heat.
WTF? No, that was a comical response.
You'd think that, if these people were getting into a lawsuit, they'd at least know what they're suing.
These already exist, though I'm not sure of the way to go about getting an address in one. The reason they never caught on is because they're really long, comparatively. Would you rather have www.mysite.com, or www.mysite.bos.ma.us? Schools them, though. My school's website, though I doubt anyone would be interested in it, is www.holliston.k12.ma.us.
Note: I'm not sure if it's currently divided up by city/region, but I know there's state ones. The Massacusetts state website, for example is www.state.ma.us. Guess what the state sites for CA, OH, NE, and AK are?
Given the opinion that a lot of slashdotters seem to have of Metallica, I should probably get out the asbestos suit for this post, but whatever.
I love Metallica's music. Everything from their really early days to their S&M album. (And to all you people bitching about Metallica somehow being a sellout or what-have-you for doing this concert, keep in mind that it was largely Michael Kamen's idea [he's the conductor for the SFSO])
Having said that, while I like their music, I've never really had an opinion of the band members themselves, because I've never paid much attention to them. However, I think this lawsuit is a little rediculous. I'm going to apply some of my thoughts on software piracy to this, since music piracy is similar enough. Companies that complain about money lost to piracy are basing that on the principle that they owned my money before I gave it to them. In reality, they did not lose any money; they simply did not make more. (Please note that I am not defending software piracy, I am merely attacking corporate philosophy on it.)
Having said that, this lawsuit looks like nothing more to me than greed. And yes, I'll gladly put myself in their shoes and take another look at this issue. Would I be pissed off that people were trading my music without paying for it? Probably. Would I hunt down someone to sue for it? I would hope not. Napster may be used 99.999% for illegal trading of music, and it's impossible to prove that this was or wasn't their intent in writing the program, but they shouldn't be held responsible for what gets traded on their network. Metallica might as well sue Al Gore while they're at it. After all, he invented the internet, and without the 'net, this wouldn't be possible, right? =)
Anyway, I won't be "donating" any money to the band through this site, even though it appeals to the part of me that loves a nice, sarcastic response to situations like this. I do still plan on completing my collection of Metallica CDs, though (it's dismally small at the moment). I may not like what they're doing, but I still like their music.
Apple DOS 3.3. Unless you want to count the AppleBASIC in the ][e's ROM as an OS =)
My question for Pinkerton is this: If you've read all the previous comments like you said, you must have seen the innumerable people relating your program to Hitler's Nazi Youth, and to the movie that shares the name of your program.
Do you see the relations here? If not, why? And what is your response to these comments?
This is America. And given that fact, why does this news surprise you?
"A thin client in this regard ..."
Thanks to your suggestions, I figured out that, yes, my IP is being attached to outgoing mail. I still don't know if AOL is intercepting my mail and routing it through their servers, but it doesn't matter now, because I just signed up for a new ISP. =)
You know what? The US looks pretty damn sick and messed up to me, too, and I live there.
Not for long, with any luck.
Anywho, I just recently had two emails (going to Geocities) bounced back to me, saying basically that mail from AOL is blocked for that domain.
What confuses the hell out of me is that this email should never have gone through AOL! I have an SMTP account at silverlight.org, and my email was going through there. And I know it isn't that Silverlight is being blocked, because the message specified an AOL IP.
So...what gives? Anyone?
Well, I don't know what kind of deal he signed with AOL, but there may very well be some sort of clause in there restricting this sort of thing. Now, Frankel is a smart guy. He probably wouldn't have accepted the deal if there was something horribly restrictive in there. But the issue here may be more subtle.
Even if there's no legal issue in terms of his contract with AOL, there is the fact that he's closely related to AOL->Time/Warner->Music Industry, and having someone in this family tree writing software that goes against the Family would not be a Good Thing. Anybody else writing a Gnutella-type program would probably be subject to the same kind of treatment.
Another thought is, of course, related to the nature of open source. I don't know if source was released yesterday or not with this program, I didn't have time to check out the site. If it was, though, someone else can easily continue this project. Seems kind of odd for me to say after my above comment, but you have to admit that this program has a better chance of survival outside of The Family, no?
Frankly, this is a piece of software that i want to see out there. I'm reminded of hotline, only better...which makes me think, how come nobody's filed lawsuits over hotline? Was it just timing?
Finally, just to make sure my position is clear, AOL is sucks.
Also, some people might say that they're skewing the results by only looking at edu sites. For one, they're explicitly telling you, right up front, that's what they're doing. And secondly, there's a higher signal/noise ratio in com and net, which means it's a lot easier to find errors in edu, where there isn't as much stuff that warrants censoring to begin with.