Besides, the whole "intelligent design" stuff, where it affects anything it affects pure science. And pure science very rarly is the driver of much of anything. Where the technical fields impact our lives is through engineering. It's making science practical. And that's something that the evolution vs ID really has no impact on.
So, what happens when you cut off the science? Simple: you run out of things to engineer, and thereby, tecnological progress.
You've just shown that the computer would use 36% the energy the car uses. That's frickin' HUGE.
I've just shown that a massively overspecced or old computer uses a third of the power that one commute does. Consider that even powerful computers use under 300W and most are under 200W, so yes, it's nothing. I have a laptop and a desktop; One 20 mile round trip consumes enough power to run my computers for 2 weeks (12 days, actually) of 9-5 or 4 days of 24/7, assuming a 250W load.
Now, my poison of choice is turbocharged 4 bangers that make about 300hp, give or take how it's feeling on any one day.
What a coincidence! My poison of choice makes about 230hp. I took a look at the 300hp ones, but the suspension was too stiff for road trips. Oh well, guess I'll have to make do;)
Most of the ill effects of patents would go away if they reduced the patent protection to only 5 years, and allowed no extensions. These days 5 years is plenty for even a small company to get to market and make some money on their invention.
To use 1 KW for playing games sounds pretty awful. But to use maybe even more power at the datacenter where your ISP is located to take care of your teleworking sounds like a good deal (compared to the gas your car needs for commuting).
One gallon of Gas contains roughly 34kWh of energy, so a 10 mile commute at 30mpg cones to about 22kWh round trip (assuming that that 34kWh is the available energy capacity). Next to that, 1kW for 8 hours is nothing.
Generally, when I buy an overpowered PS, it's because I need a particular amp capacity on one of the rails. So I need a 550W PS for an Athlon 1.4Ghz box that probably draws 200W. This was because only the 550W model had the proper rating for +5DC.
I've had prototype Itanic systems on a 15 watt circuit with 5 other (non-Itanic) machines and not tripped the breaker until I accidentally plugged in a coffee maker on the same circuit.
Wake up and smell the coffee. "Intellectual Property" (OK, so I lied) is the mainstay US export for the rest of this century. The rest of the world is not safe and should be very worried.
What happens when China gives us the finger and outbids us on oil? What are we gonna do, invade?
There should be (and are!) entire schools devoted to every conceivable kind of messing around with what you can (or can't yet) do with a computer.
Not high schools. They're currently underfunded and cutting programs left and right. Also, if you haven't noticed, I am not arguing that these kids can do wrong, but rather that felony charges are way out of line.
The inquisitive and bright aren't punished for being inquisitive and bright if they exercise those traits in the right venue.
Yes, yes they are. Doing anything that threatens a teachere (and this includes displaying skills that they lack) is an easy ticket to suspension.
But if they jot down their bright ideas over top of the text in a school issued textbook, they'd also be jerks.
Not unless the notes are out of context. If they were in context, then they're notes, which are expected and actually beneficial. It's one of the good parts of buying used textbooks.
Should abusing the laptop be a felony? Not unless it was done in the service of trying to do something felonious - like cracking.
I disagree. Cracking should only be a felony if you can prove felonious intent - for instance, if you were attempting to embezzle money.
But the problem is that the average school staffer can't tell the difference, but have read about students hacking grades, grabbing teachers' employment records and financial data, etc. It sort of sets the tone.
I understand how the staff might be intimidated, but that's no reason to ratchet up the penalties.
This school, and the taxpayers that pay for all of it, don't at this time provide you with anything that you can simply screw around with as you see fit."
That's a wonderful message - mess with anything we don't approve of and go to jail. It's the same people that mess with computers in school that advance the state of art later in life. We're setting up an environment where the inquisitive and bright are prosecuted instead of encouraged. How the hell are we going to maintain any sort of technological edge?
I said "do it in the computer lab" because that's where there are machines, instructors, and supposedly a nice little walled-off network just for screwing around with.
You wish. I was in a mac lab back in 1992, and I got in trouble for discovering that the macs were on an appletalk network and a server was available. Had it been today, I could be the one facing felony charges.
Do you suppose they would have been punished more or less of they had set up a prostitution ring in school?
As soon as I would do something of the sort I would be kicked out as a consultant out of most of these companies as the number of complaints from users about my "stupid system" rejecting their "good passwords" and causing them to spend 2 hours coming up with them would go through the roof.
As a consultant, it's your job to find out what they want - if they want secure passwords, that's the way to go. If they don't care enough, then do whatever. Just don't complain that it's a technical problem whn it's a people problem.
Something like 90% of businesses' only contact with *nix is when they download something from their ISP and dongles and similiar retarded things are a norm in various engineering related vertical business packages (such as small plant managment systems). By your method I should tell all my clients to get out of their business so that I can put them on Linux.
Something like half of your 90% run unix somewhere and don't even know it, but that's irrelevant. Fact is (and you know it), dongles don't increasee security, and the only reason to use them is to avoid being sued (or charged with a felony for downloading a dongle hack). This serves to reinforce my point that charging someone with a felony for this sort of behavior is ridiculous. I mentioned unix (not linux, although we do use it) because that's what we use, not because everybody haas to go convert to it. I think it works better for a lot of things, but when your client base can't even manage secure passwords and has no dedicated IT guy at all, it may not be appropriate.
Just one thing: don't most modern engineering apps use a license manager, thus rendering dongles moot?
Get back from the planet Pluto you seem to be posting this from and explain it to Microsoft and a few thousands of vertical business software makers.
Go configure it yourself, I'm not going to be sysadmin for you. I've given you the rough plan - any admin worth their salt should be able to work this process into a NT domain password change script.
That is why people have to replace motherboards on Thinkpads, send whole Document Centers to be serviced, pay $1000 "security fees" to various vertical sofware makers after their "dongles" get locked, etc. You have no experience in the real business world I think.
I have plenty of experience with real business. That's why I don't use dongles or, for that matter, document centers. I use NT and unix in my job every day, and password resets are a trouble ticket away, TYVM.
In the US, it usually means you aren't allowed to come to school for usually about a week. It's defined with a time frame, but it's not forever, it's usually just a week.
No, it means the same as UK - you're kicked out. If you want back in, you have to apply for permission, and you may not get it. Suspension, otoh, is temporary.
Look, chemistry instructors that position bunsen burners and spark igniters out on a high school lab bench are not and should not get "credit where credit is due" when a student "naturally explores boundaries" by seeing what happens when they torch various things around the classroom, or rig up a leak so that the next person who does sit down to use the lab gets to experience an explosion.
What are you, 10? Bunsen burners are HOT - everybody know this, and all of your scenarios potentially result in injury. How is this even close to somebody hitting ctrl-C and looking around a hard drive or logging to a machine with the password taped to the back of it?
For as many times as students have acted to do felony-worthy things like vandalize networks or corrupt things like academic records or obtain payroll data on teachers, etc, it's certainly reasonable to have a single rule that says "only use this equipment in the way we've described, and that includes not installing stuff that's not already there."
So, because some other students have screwed with grades on somebody else's computer, they should be persecuted for exploring their own? Hell, next time some kid reads ahead in the textbook, slap him in irons.
Just because the staff lounge isn't locked doesn't mean that it's reasonable for a student to wander in an hose the place up
It is appropriate for them to stick their head in and use the (much nicer) bathroom or look around for a coke machine. This is what the kids in TFA have done
I'm all for exploring. Do it in the computer lab, and show the instructor the cool thing you want to try.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID! They explored their computer and got charged as felons for it. Do you really think the reaction would have been any different if this occurred in a computer lab?
Such software is easily fooled: abc123, 1a2b3c, etc and so on.
Password too short, no punctuation, no mixed case. Also, running crack on your encrypted password for a minute or so, or even several seconds, will catch most of your weak password that the common password heuristics let through.
lso I was talking about tracking passwords so that users do not render equipment/sofrware unusable by forgetting passwords or leaving the company etc.
Most software has password reset functionality or similar mechanism to avoid the scenario you're talking about.
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Besides, the whole "intelligent design" stuff, where it affects anything it affects pure science. And pure science very rarly is the driver of much of anything. Where the technical fields impact our lives is through engineering. It's making science practical. And that's something that the evolution vs ID really has no impact on.
So, what happens when you cut off the science? Simple: you run out of things to engineer, and thereby, tecnological progress.
You've just shown that the computer would use 36% the energy the car uses. That's frickin' HUGE.
I've just shown that a massively overspecced or old computer uses a third of the power that one commute does. Consider that even powerful computers use under 300W and most are under 200W, so yes, it's nothing. I have a laptop and a desktop; One 20 mile round trip consumes enough power to run my computers for 2 weeks (12 days, actually) of 9-5 or 4 days of 24/7, assuming a 250W load.
I've also got an old 19" CRT to suck the power.
No biggie - just turn it off once in a while. Also, 19" LCDs draw around 40-50W. Just sayin'.
How do you know that you can't be more productive with, perhaps a different, more efficient set of hardware that doesn't draw as much power?
By analyzing the system and noting that all the bottlenecks relate to system speed, then finding the most cost efficient solution. Any more questions?
Now, my poison of choice is turbocharged 4 bangers that make about 300hp, give or take how it's feeling on any one day.
What a coincidence! My poison of choice makes about 230hp. I took a look at the 300hp ones, but the suspension was too stiff for road trips. Oh well, guess I'll have to make do ;)
Why not get a 3ware sata raid card and a pair of 4 slot hotswap drive bays, the stock it with 400G drives? 2.4TB for $3500 or so.
according to google calculator, I'm probably paying almost $20 a month for my computer
More like $10, unless you're running at peak load 24/7.
Most of the ill effects of patents would go away if they reduced the patent protection to only 5 years, and allowed no extensions. These days 5 years is plenty for even a small company to get to market and make some money on their invention.
Oh yeah?
To use 1 KW for playing games sounds pretty awful. But to use maybe even more power at the datacenter where your ISP is located to take care of your teleworking sounds like a good deal (compared to the gas your car needs for commuting).
One gallon of Gas contains roughly 34kWh of energy, so a 10 mile commute at 30mpg cones to about 22kWh round trip (assuming that that 34kWh is the available energy capacity). Next to that, 1kW for 8 hours is nothing.
Do we need 1KW PSUs? no. I don't think so.
Generally, when I buy an overpowered PS, it's because I need a particular amp capacity on one of the rails. So I need a 550W PS for an Athlon 1.4Ghz box that probably draws 200W. This was because only the 550W model had the proper rating for +5DC.
I mean, I bring a girl to my room and she sees my puny PSU, what the hell am I going to do then?
Fuck her with your tiny dick?
I've had prototype Itanic systems on a 15 watt circuit with 5 other (non-Itanic) machines and not tripped the breaker until I accidentally plugged in a coffee maker on the same circuit.
Now who's confusing watts and amps?
Wars have been fought for far less issues.
How are we going to fight a war with no oil?
Wake up and smell the coffee. "Intellectual Property" (OK, so I lied) is the mainstay US export for the rest of this century. The rest of the world is not safe and should be very worried.
What happens when China gives us the finger and outbids us on oil? What are we gonna do, invade?
There are plenty of sources of stem cells without ethical issues surrounding them.
Care to name some? I was under the impression that embryos were the only suitable source for a lot of research.
There should be (and are!) entire schools devoted to every conceivable kind of messing around with what you can (or can't yet) do with a computer.
Not high schools. They're currently underfunded and cutting programs left and right. Also, if you haven't noticed, I am not arguing that these kids can do wrong, but rather that felony charges are way out of line.
The inquisitive and bright aren't punished for being inquisitive and bright if they exercise those traits in the right venue.
Yes, yes they are. Doing anything that threatens a teachere (and this includes displaying skills that they lack) is an easy ticket to suspension.
But if they jot down their bright ideas over top of the text in a school issued textbook, they'd also be jerks.
Not unless the notes are out of context. If they were in context, then they're notes, which are expected and actually beneficial. It's one of the good parts of buying used textbooks.
Should abusing the laptop be a felony? Not unless it was done in the service of trying to do something felonious - like cracking.
I disagree. Cracking should only be a felony if you can prove felonious intent - for instance, if you were attempting to embezzle money.
But the problem is that the average school staffer can't tell the difference, but have read about students hacking grades, grabbing teachers' employment records and financial data, etc. It sort of sets the tone.
I understand how the staff might be intimidated, but that's no reason to ratchet up the penalties.
This school, and the taxpayers that pay for all of it, don't at this time provide you with anything that you can simply screw around with as you see fit."
That's a wonderful message - mess with anything we don't approve of and go to jail. It's the same people that mess with computers in school that advance the state of art later in life. We're setting up an environment where the inquisitive and bright are prosecuted instead of encouraged. How the hell are we going to maintain any sort of technological edge?
When did I complain it was a technical problem?
Quote from upthread: Such software is easily fooled: abc123, 1a2b3c, etc and so on.
This implies a technical limitation, not policy.
I said "do it in the computer lab" because that's where there are machines, instructors, and supposedly a nice little walled-off network just for screwing around with.
You wish. I was in a mac lab back in 1992, and I got in trouble for discovering that the macs were on an appletalk network and a server was available. Had it been today, I could be the one facing felony charges.
Do you suppose they would have been punished more or less of they had set up a prostitution ring in school?
As soon as I would do something of the sort I would be kicked out as a consultant out of most of these companies as the number of complaints from users about my "stupid system" rejecting their "good passwords" and causing them to spend 2 hours coming up with them would go through the roof.
As a consultant, it's your job to find out what they want - if they want secure passwords, that's the way to go. If they don't care enough, then do whatever. Just don't complain that it's a technical problem whn it's a people problem.
Something like 90% of businesses' only contact with *nix is when they download something from their ISP and dongles and similiar retarded things are a norm in various engineering related vertical business packages (such as small plant managment systems). By your method I should tell all my clients to get out of their business so that I can put them on Linux.
Something like half of your 90% run unix somewhere and don't even know it, but that's irrelevant. Fact is (and you know it), dongles don't increasee security, and the only reason to use them is to avoid being sued (or charged with a felony for downloading a dongle hack). This serves to reinforce my point that charging someone with a felony for this sort of behavior is ridiculous. I mentioned unix (not linux, although we do use it) because that's what we use, not because everybody haas to go convert to it. I think it works better for a lot of things, but when your client base can't even manage secure passwords and has no dedicated IT guy at all, it may not be appropriate.
Just one thing: don't most modern engineering apps use a license manager, thus rendering dongles moot?
Get back from the planet Pluto you seem to be posting this from and explain it to Microsoft and a few thousands of vertical business software makers.
Go configure it yourself, I'm not going to be sysadmin for you. I've given you the rough plan - any admin worth their salt should be able to work this process into a NT domain password change script.
That is why people have to replace motherboards on Thinkpads, send whole Document Centers to be serviced, pay $1000 "security fees" to various vertical sofware makers after their "dongles" get locked, etc. You have no experience in the real business world I think.
I have plenty of experience with real business. That's why I don't use dongles or, for that matter, document centers. I use NT and unix in my job every day, and password resets are a trouble ticket away, TYVM.
In the US, it usually means you aren't allowed to come to school for usually about a week. It's defined with a time frame, but it's not forever, it's usually just a week.
No, it means the same as UK - you're kicked out. If you want back in, you have to apply for permission, and you may not get it. Suspension, otoh, is temporary.
Look, chemistry instructors that position bunsen burners and spark igniters out on a high school lab bench are not and should not get "credit where credit is due" when a student "naturally explores boundaries" by seeing what happens when they torch various things around the classroom, or rig up a leak so that the next person who does sit down to use the lab gets to experience an explosion.
What are you, 10? Bunsen burners are HOT - everybody know this, and all of your scenarios potentially result in injury. How is this even close to somebody hitting ctrl-C and looking around a hard drive or logging to a machine with the password taped to the back of it?
For as many times as students have acted to do felony-worthy things like vandalize networks or corrupt things like academic records or obtain payroll data on teachers, etc, it's certainly reasonable to have a single rule that says "only use this equipment in the way we've described, and that includes not installing stuff that's not already there."
So, because some other students have screwed with grades on somebody else's computer, they should be persecuted for exploring their own? Hell, next time some kid reads ahead in the textbook, slap him in irons.
Just because the staff lounge isn't locked doesn't mean that it's reasonable for a student to wander in an hose the place up
It is appropriate for them to stick their head in and use the (much nicer) bathroom or look around for a coke machine. This is what the kids in TFA have done
I'm all for exploring. Do it in the computer lab, and show the instructor the cool thing you want to try.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID! They explored their computer and got charged as felons for it. Do you really think the reaction would have been any different if this occurred in a computer lab?
Such software is easily fooled: abc123, 1a2b3c, etc and so on.
Password too short, no punctuation, no mixed case. Also, running crack on your encrypted password for a minute or so, or even several seconds, will catch most of your weak password that the common password heuristics let through.
lso I was talking about tracking passwords so that users do not render equipment/sofrware unusable by forgetting passwords or leaving the company etc.
Most software has password reset functionality or similar mechanism to avoid the scenario you're talking about.
You missed the development of th pulseless artificial heart. I have a live friend with no pulse!
Doesn't the lack of a pulse damage your friend's organs?