I seem to recall fairly recently (past year or two) a few instances of "nope, no cholera here" and "we dont want your devil's magic (western medicine)".
And the ever popular "fuck a virgin and get rid of your AIDS".
So while I'd generally agree with you - there are certainly still some crazy fools out there.
I can't remember where I've heard this argument but "it's like your child's teacher saying they always wear a condom while teaching- better safe than sorry".
The legislation doesn't exactly address the real issue. Existing laws already do.
"The term school system is ambiguous, and I'd like to make sure you know it's the bureaucrats and politicians running schools that are killing critical thinking."
Oh, no doubt. I have some relatives who are teachers and the insane amount of nonsense they have to go through and spend their time on instead of just teaching and getting the damned job done is absurd. I'm glad there are good ones that are pushing in the right direction.
Going on a semi-tangent, something that I felt hindered my involvement with any extracurricular programs was that in order for me to take part in something meant I had to organized the logistics of finding a ride home since the buses wouldn't be available. If a block of time was available for kids to explore more things I think there might be room for some really interesting stuff. I get the impression the CHSHUB thing is available within the normal block of school hours which would definitely be a nice feature.
It's ok - this is the kind of treatment that recently initiated my move to Virgin Mobile for less than half what I was paying before and receiving exponentially more.
I think you nailed a key point there - "but encourage him to continue his investigations and figure out how and why his discovery is wrong."
This kid has potential (or as one posted suggested - very helpful parents). The scientific community should nuture such attemps - not cast them out of the community due to whatever being "bloody obvious".
Frankly, I'm glad there's some kid taking interest in this stuff and possibly even trying to *gasp* think critically. It seems our school system doesn't much foster that kind of thought anymore (as has been discussed over and over on/.).
Is this really bad science for the level it's being presented at? If I pulled this out of my ass in 7th grade instead of my shitty volcano I probably would have been put on a pedestal too. Hell, my teachers may have even crapped themselves if I could write as nicely as this kid did back then.
I partially suspect a lot of it is contributed to the overall nature of Canadians. At least in my experience in Canada the folks there are just better behaved.
Whereas here in the states it pretty much boils down to "my way by any means necessary".
I agree 100% - the main officer should at least face a judge over this. If I gave the exact same threats to another citizen on film I bet you I'd find my ass in a jail real quick.
Actually I got a reply from the mayor. I'll share my email and his reply:
Thank you for your email and your concern about the mentioned video regarding a Canton City Police Officer.
I am fully aware of the situation along with the Safety Director and Chief of Police. The police officer has been placed on administrative leave and removed from all duties. Our Internal Affairs Division is in the process of completing a thorough investigation and appropriate action will be taken.
Thank you again for your email.
William J. Healy II Mayor, City of Canton
--------------- On 8/5/2011 10:14 AM [Date/Time: 05-Aug-2011 10:14:56]
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As I\'m sure you\'ve seen by now there\'s a video online with two officers pulling over a car and becoming verbally abusive and completely unreasonable with the victim. One of the officers even goes as far as to threaten the life of one of the individuals.
This is an absolute disgrace to Canton and to officers throughout our country. Officers who commit these kind of actions and officers who sit idly by while witnessing a fellow officer obviously crossing the line are an embarassment and soil the name of all of the good officers out there.
I see absolutely no reason why these men should retain their jobs and level of authority among the public. They\'re dangerous and a source of a disgusting injustice.
I urge you to address this matter for the sake of maintaining our civil liberties, protecting our people, and to do a service to those out there putting their lives on the line in the proper manner in order to protect citizens like me.
I was wondering that too. I'm from the States so police + raid doesn't usual equate to a friendly stroll. Then I started asking myself if it's that much nicer over that way in that aspect too.
I'm still curious why they confiscated the equipment and not just the radioactive material. I take it this story is too fresh to get any good details yet, but I have a hunch it'll come out.
Is it really necessary to raid a guy who was asking for permission in the first place? Seems like he would have welcomed an "inspection" and handled things accordingly from there. Since he was asking for permission it sounds like he wasn't trying to break the law - give the guy some credit. All this is going to do is discourage others from inquiring and just doing whatever they're after.
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This is the Cholera outbreak I was thinking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Zimbabwean_cholera_outbreak
And dang, I'd hate to be the one who brought Cholera over to that place...
I seem to recall fairly recently (past year or two) a few instances of "nope, no cholera here" and "we dont want your devil's magic (western medicine)".
And the ever popular "fuck a virgin and get rid of your AIDS".
So while I'd generally agree with you - there are certainly still some crazy fools out there.
Mod this up!
That's pretty much the same exact vibe I've gotten.
Yet here I am using G+...
I've found they're usually entirely different.
I can't remember where I've heard this argument but "it's like your child's teacher saying they always wear a condom while teaching- better safe than sorry".
The legislation doesn't exactly address the real issue. Existing laws already do.
"The term school system is ambiguous, and I'd like to make sure you know it's the bureaucrats and politicians running schools that are killing critical thinking."
Oh, no doubt. I have some relatives who are teachers and the insane amount of nonsense they have to go through and spend their time on instead of just teaching and getting the damned job done is absurd. I'm glad there are good ones that are pushing in the right direction.
Going on a semi-tangent, something that I felt hindered my involvement with any extracurricular programs was that in order for me to take part in something meant I had to organized the logistics of finding a ride home since the buses wouldn't be available. If a block of time was available for kids to explore more things I think there might be room for some really interesting stuff. I get the impression the CHSHUB thing is available within the normal block of school hours which would definitely be a nice feature.
It's ok - this is the kind of treatment that recently initiated my move to Virgin Mobile for less than half what I was paying before and receiving exponentially more.
I think you nailed a key point there - "but encourage him to continue his investigations and figure out how and why his discovery is wrong."
This kid has potential (or as one posted suggested - very helpful parents). The scientific community should nuture such attemps - not cast them out of the community due to whatever being "bloody obvious".
Frankly, I'm glad there's some kid taking interest in this stuff and possibly even trying to *gasp* think critically. It seems our school system doesn't much foster that kind of thought anymore (as has been discussed over and over on /.).
I challenge your "bloody obvious" statement with: Why aren't you some solar power mogul transforming the landscape of the industry?
Is this really bad science for the level it's being presented at? If I pulled this out of my ass in 7th grade instead of my shitty volcano I probably would have been put on a pedestal too. Hell, my teachers may have even crapped themselves if I could write as nicely as this kid did back then.
I partially suspect a lot of it is contributed to the overall nature of Canadians. At least in my experience in Canada the folks there are just better behaved.
Whereas here in the states it pretty much boils down to "my way by any means necessary".
"We get results quickly and without fraud."
Without fraud? That's one hell of a lofty claim if I've ever seen one.
That's actually the sort of capability I'm hoping the Motorola Atrix as pioneered. Once this stage is reached I'll be sold.
PC gaming is niche? Since when?
Personally, I just prefer the form factor of a "full" computer. My eyeballs are going to be young for only so long.
Well I knew they sell "stuff", but really had no idea about the music portion.
Then again "DRM" is enough for me to gloss over such a "service".
Seriously - as annoyed with facebook as we all are the fallacy that it's "difficult" to delete facebook needs to stop.
http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account
I agree 100% - the main officer should at least face a judge over this. If I gave the exact same threats to another citizen on film I bet you I'd find my ass in a jail real quick.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Get enough great minds with the right kind of motivation behind them and I'm fairly certain it could be accomplished.
I'd actually like to see some of these "Great Wall" vehicles if you know any off the top of your head that can compete. Would be interesting I'd bet.
Actually I got a reply from the mayor. I'll share my email and his reply:
Thank you for your email and your concern about the mentioned video regarding a Canton City Police Officer.
I am fully aware of the situation along with the Safety Director and Chief of Police. The police officer has been placed on administrative leave and removed from all duties. Our Internal Affairs Division is in the process of completing a thorough investigation and appropriate action will be taken.
Thank you again for your email.
William J. Healy II
Mayor, City of Canton
---------------
On 8/5/2011 10:14 AM
[Date/Time: 05-Aug-2011 10:14:56]
[This message was sent from the online form.]
As I\'m sure you\'ve seen by now there\'s a video online with two officers pulling over a car and becoming verbally abusive and completely unreasonable with the victim. One of the officers even goes as far as to threaten the life of one of the individuals.
This is an absolute disgrace to Canton and to officers throughout our country. Officers who commit these kind of actions and officers who sit idly by while witnessing a fellow officer obviously crossing the line are an embarassment and soil the name of all of the good officers out there.
I see absolutely no reason why these men should retain their jobs and level of authority among the public. They\'re dangerous and a source of a disgusting injustice.
I urge you to address this matter for the sake of maintaining our civil liberties, protecting our people, and to do a service to those out there putting their lives on the line in the proper manner in order to protect citizens like me.
Thank you for your time.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
Here's a link: http://jalopnik.com/5549518/how-the-us-government-killed-the-safest-car-ever-built
Basically touted as one of the safest cars ever built and good MPG for its time to boot. Oh, and silently destroyed.
You sound like a wikipedia moderator. Gee, I wonder why I don't bother contributing anymore - just read all the other posts above. It's no secret.
I don't know how much good it'll do but I've written the mayor asking for the firing of those officers involved.
I was wondering that too. I'm from the States so police + raid doesn't usual equate to a friendly stroll. Then I started asking myself if it's that much nicer over that way in that aspect too.
I'm still curious why they confiscated the equipment and not just the radioactive material. I take it this story is too fresh to get any good details yet, but I have a hunch it'll come out.
Is it really necessary to raid a guy who was asking for permission in the first place? Seems like he would have welcomed an "inspection" and handled things accordingly from there. Since he was asking for permission it sounds like he wasn't trying to break the law - give the guy some credit. All this is going to do is discourage others from inquiring and just doing whatever they're after.