I do quite fine with ASIO on Windows. And I literally can't use the Mac because it's more simple than I can tune down my mind. (It's quite hard on Windows too, since I grew from really using Linux.)
I think OSS4 with Jack are quite nice for music making. But as long as Steinberg, Propellerhead and Native Instruments do not port their software to it, there is not even a remote chance of me using Linux for music making. It's sad, because the UNIX philosophy fits extremely well with the idea of tons of (VST) plug-ins connected together, each one doing one job, and doing it well.
But I also agree, that figuring out the trillion components, how to route and set-up everything, is way too much hassle. But I like the freedom of multiple audio systems, and would not accept giving that freedom up for a little convenience. What I want is *both*. Convenience + freedom. No compromises!
I know what you are trying to say. But if you know how things are for professional media production software (video, music, design), you know that it will be big time news, if you actually can use Linux for the professional level of any of that. (Which this TFA is faaar away from!)
First of all, Linux is not the guilty one for not providing software for musicians. It is the developers of the software, like Apple, Steinberg, Propellerheads and Native Instruments, to name a few big ones.
Second, without all that Software. And I mean specifically that software, it is literally impossible to create the wanted sound on a Linux platform.
My setup is nearly 100% software (with a set of MIDI devices and a powerful sound card), and includes Cubase, Reason, Reaktor, Absynth, DR-008, and pretty much every Software from Native Instruments. And that is only the base. You also have to add a ton of specific plug-ins. E.g. for reverbs using impulse responses, or very specific filters to create the sound of a vintage synth.
You can not ever possibly recreate this under Linux, without it becoming a main platform for music production, so that those companies port their software. Which of course is a vicious circle. But if Steinberg alone would port their VST platform Cubase onto Linux (Don't tell me about using it in Wine. I tried it. For real songs with dozens of tracks. It's a total joke. And I don't even mean the latency.), the circle could be broken.
So please stop with your dreamy dreams from wannabe professional musicians telling me how they were able to create a simple four-track audio song with some amateur FX plugged in. Because it has nothing to do with even my semi-professional work.
P.S.: I may sound angrier than I am. In fact I really *really* wish I could help with some big thing, like persuade Steinberg.
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Hmm, I listened to all of those 1:20 min, and at the end, I could understand nearly everything. Also, it's not even my first language, but my third of four. So it's apparently not that hard.
But I also speak very fast, and usually write around 50 words / >300 characters per minute on the keyboard. (German NEO 2.0 layout [best thing ever!])
From what I've seen, they both heavily copy MacOS X.:(
It is no great sin to copy others' good ideas. The sinning starts, when all you do, is running behind others. Trying to be just as loved. Or only just as good. Because then, your perfect goal will never be better than what you copy, and so you by definition can never beat it. Ever.
The idea is, to lead. And let others play catch-up instead. Then you don't even need to imitate others, because your genuine own features will be so important, that people do not care if you miss other less important or worse implemented ones.
If you ever program for Linux, think of yourself of an innovative leader for a new generation. You're a role model for a whole generation of programmers. Only with such a mindset (while of course not being arrogant, but knowing that you are right and know it better nonetheless) can you reach that goal.
On in one sentence: You have to be able to imagine and believe it, before you can do it. (Not the other way around!)
Make Linux the gaming platform of the PC, or ever of all things, and you will have Linux on the desktop.
But you now thinking that this is a bit unrealistic, is the main reason it hasn't happened yet. The other is that Linux on the desktop is mainly about imitation. (Of Windows, MacOS X, etc) Only the social desktop idea is a glim of light.
I think we all first of all, have to think of Linux as the gaming platform, and really believe it. Then the plan how to make it true will form in our heads. We can't just try to guess how we could possibly maybe with a big chance hopefully somehow reach a state where is could maybe be dreamable. We must do it right now. Fixed points in time and space, and no words of eventuality.
Or do you think Microsoft, Google, Apple, or any successful company will ever say that they wish that it hopefully happens somehow? No. They say they will do it, and be done until $fixedDate. And then run with it.
So I say, 2010 will be where the thoughts stand and the realization starts. And by 2012, the year of Linux on the desktop will be done. December, 21th, to be exact.;) But it will not be what you think it will be. Because what we know as Linux, is something that is specifically and explicitly not made for the average Joe. And this is its greatest feature!
You are new to Linux desktops, are you? Here, looks literally are exchangeable. And I mean everything. If you can see it, you can change it. Opposed to most other OSes. So the look really is a very bad indicator for the overall quality. It's more an indicator for the stylistic competence of the person who chose the visuals for your distribution. My theme for example, is a wild mix of KDE, Gnome and Compiz Fusion. Can you see anything that resembles anything even close to the original design of those packages?:D (Yes, I left some things in the original style, because I liked them, and left anti-aliasing off, so you can't read everything.:P)
Because frankly, the human body is a way more complex system than the sun. And we can predict one, two, or *mayybe* three elementary particles. But then it becomes next to impossible. Our bodies in all its functions, are insanely complex. As complex as a continent perhaps. Or at least as a city. (If you know how to translate the complexity.)
Also, you always have to watch where the money is in. It's certainly not as much in healing people as in selling lies in pill form.
It is not a joke. Or you're *really* bad at humor. If it were a joke, it would be funny. Placing a P.S. stating that "it is a joke" below a random statement, does not magically make it funny. And the blokes thinking they would look dumb when they don't laugh and moderate you funny right now, because of their weak self-confidence, do so even less.
What are you talking about? Professionals nearly exclusively use DAT and DAT-like digital video cassettes for their recordings even today. It's the only thing with an acceptable quality. Only SSDs have a chance of replacing them. My father and my two brothers work (separately) in the business, so I should know.
Siemens created tiny lenses out of a drop of oil in a water suspension years ago. They work by the same principles, can be controlled with electrical fields, cost next to nothing, and are built into modern camera phones etc. This thing is just an upscaled version with a "lid". So one should be able to use electronic focusing on it too.
But they want it! Hard and nasty! All the way up to the brain! The exclusive triple-fist of media, republicans and democrats(If you click this link, it really is your own fault! ^^), all from the same ghastly animal. Yeah! Gimme more!
Who is Hannah Montana? Seriously. I had to look her up. I notice that I "miss" more and more of that started-as-mainstream stuff, since I have no TV (I watch torrented shows and some that have their own websites like The Daily Show and South Park), no Radio (I listen so ShoutCast stations) and no Newspaper (I read Slashdot, one blog and some web comics).
Sometimes it gets boring. But then I think that with a TV, I'd only watch crap anyway. So I go read a bit more Slashdot, or find me some porn, or call a girl. ^^
It's the 21st century life. And I like it. Especially the comment function (thinking for yourself)!!:)
I know: When I have such a thing near my house, I will go outside, yell "Eat shit, you stinkin' microbes!", bang a stick on the container, watch the neighbor kids run away in terror. ^^
Because today, my dream of a bot model that can infect all known botnets became true! I call them lolbots, because of the fun I will have with them, because In Ex Soviet Russia, botnets are attacked by ME!
Now go forth my little botsies. And if they do not sing our song... blow them into little bits... *sings a children's melody* Mmmm. Mmhh-*hmmm* mmmhh hmm-mmm
*MUHAHAHAHAHAAAA* *pets the white long-haired cat*
Yeah, because we trust Microsoft or Google so much to store our confidential internal documents, and we desperately need *another* slowing-down inner platform inside that thing...;)
Obviously you never used a real text processing software. MS Word is about the worst starting point you can think of. And people being used to it explains why they think it is acceptable.
MS Word's interface is crippling at best. Even the new versions, where they at least partially removed modal dialogs.
But the biggest joke of 'em all is the usage of mouse-controlled elements. In a text processor? Really??
A really good text processor would internally use TeX, would have no use for a pointer device other than graphical stuff like box positioning / vector object drawing, and would let you modify styles in a cascading form of style classes (a bit like CSS, but trough a nice graphical interface with fast keyboard control). Then add a plug-in-system like in Firefox, to add wizards for the bells and whistles in at least one nice easy language (like Python) and one fast one (like C, Java or Haskell), and allow people to create pre-packaged sets of these wizards on a nice website. Tadaa. Now everyone can be very happy.
You mean natural selection weeding out people dumb enough to buy an el-cheapo mp3 player for a multiple of its worth, because it has a shiny logo? Niiiice!:D
That's the role she *plays*. But she is pretty intelligent. The point is that you still assume her goals to be something at least half-good. Also you assume that what she says has anything to do with what her goals are. Which is a shame, because by now, you should know that this is never ever true for professional politicians.
*Some* places? According to their latest map, you can vote for them pretty much everywhere.
And according to the German equivalent of Facebook (called StudiVZ), they have 37849 supporters. Which is more than any other party on the site (cdu/csu: 18639/3617, spd: 17956, fdp: 18117, linke: 18117, grüne: 16433), and nearly as much as the two biggest parties together.:)
So right now, the only reason they are not the biggest Party in the country, is because we have way more old than young people here.
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I do quite fine with ASIO on Windows. And I literally can't use the Mac because it's more simple than I can tune down my mind. (It's quite hard on Windows too, since I grew from really using Linux.)
I think OSS4 with Jack are quite nice for music making. But as long as Steinberg, Propellerhead and Native Instruments do not port their software to it, there is not even a remote chance of me using Linux for music making. It's sad, because the UNIX philosophy fits extremely well with the idea of tons of (VST) plug-ins connected together, each one doing one job, and doing it well.
But I also agree, that figuring out the trillion components, how to route and set-up everything, is way too much hassle. But I like the freedom of multiple audio systems, and would not accept giving that freedom up for a little convenience. What I want is *both*. Convenience + freedom. No compromises!
I know what you are trying to say. But if you know how things are for professional media production software (video, music, design), you know that it will be big time news, if you actually can use Linux for the professional level of any of that. (Which this TFA is faaar away from!)
...you must be kiddin'!
First of all, Linux is not the guilty one for not providing software for musicians. It is the developers of the software, like Apple, Steinberg, Propellerheads and Native Instruments, to name a few big ones.
Second, without all that Software. And I mean specifically that software, it is literally impossible to create the wanted sound on a Linux platform.
My setup is nearly 100% software (with a set of MIDI devices and a powerful sound card), and includes Cubase, Reason, Reaktor, Absynth, DR-008, and pretty much every Software from Native Instruments. And that is only the base. You also have to add a ton of specific plug-ins. E.g. for reverbs using impulse responses, or very specific filters to create the sound of a vintage synth.
You can not ever possibly recreate this under Linux, without it becoming a main platform for music production, so that those companies port their software. Which of course is a vicious circle.
But if Steinberg alone would port their VST platform Cubase onto Linux (Don't tell me about using it in Wine. I tried it. For real songs with dozens of tracks. It's a total joke. And I don't even mean the latency.), the circle could be broken.
So please stop with your dreamy dreams from wannabe professional musicians telling me how they were able to create a simple four-track audio song with some amateur FX plugged in. Because it has nothing to do with even my semi-professional work.
P.S.: I may sound angrier than I am. In fact I really *really* wish I could help with some big thing, like persuade Steinberg.
Hmm, I listened to all of those 1:20 min, and at the end, I could understand nearly everything. Also, it's not even my first language, but my third of four.
So it's apparently not that hard.
But I also speak very fast, and usually write around 50 words / >300 characters per minute on the keyboard. (German NEO 2.0 layout [best thing ever!])
From what I've seen, they both heavily copy MacOS X. :(
It is no great sin to copy others' good ideas. The sinning starts, when all you do, is running behind others. Trying to be just as loved. Or only just as good.
Because then, your perfect goal will never be better than what you copy, and so you by definition can never beat it. Ever.
The idea is, to lead. And let others play catch-up instead. Then you don't even need to imitate others, because your genuine own features will be so important, that people do not care if you miss other less important or worse implemented ones.
If you ever program for Linux, think of yourself of an innovative leader for a new generation. You're a role model for a whole generation of programmers. Only with such a mindset (while of course not being arrogant, but knowing that you are right and know it better nonetheless) can you reach that goal.
On in one sentence: You have to be able to imagine and believe it, before you can do it. (Not the other way around!)
Make Linux the gaming platform of the PC, or ever of all things, and you will have Linux on the desktop.
But you now thinking that this is a bit unrealistic, is the main reason it hasn't happened yet. The other is that Linux on the desktop is mainly about imitation. (Of Windows, MacOS X, etc) Only the social desktop idea is a glim of light.
I think we all first of all, have to think of Linux as the gaming platform, and really believe it.
Then the plan how to make it true will form in our heads.
We can't just try to guess how we could possibly maybe with a big chance hopefully somehow reach a state where is could maybe be dreamable.
We must do it right now. Fixed points in time and space, and no words of eventuality.
Or do you think Microsoft, Google, Apple, or any successful company will ever say that they wish that it hopefully happens somehow?
No. They say they will do it, and be done until $fixedDate. And then run with it.
So I say, 2010 will be where the thoughts stand and the realization starts. And by 2012, the year of Linux on the desktop will be done. December, 21th, to be exact. ;)
But it will not be what you think it will be. Because what we know as Linux, is something that is specifically and explicitly not made for the average Joe. And this is its greatest feature!
You are new to Linux desktops, are you? :D (Yes, I left some things in the original style, because I liked them, and left anti-aliasing off, so you can't read everything. :P)
Here, looks literally are exchangeable. And I mean everything. If you can see it, you can change it. Opposed to most other OSes.
So the look really is a very bad indicator for the overall quality. It's more an indicator for the stylistic competence of the person who chose the visuals for your distribution.
My theme for example, is a wild mix of KDE, Gnome and Compiz Fusion. Can you see anything that resembles anything even close to the original design of those packages?
Ha, NOW you get that it's not funny? Why not WHEN MODERATING GP COMMENT?!? ;)
Because frankly, the human body is a way more complex system than the sun. And we can predict one, two, or *mayybe* three elementary particles. But then it becomes next to impossible.
Our bodies in all its functions, are insanely complex. As complex as a continent perhaps. Or at least as a city. (If you know how to translate the complexity.)
Also, you always have to watch where the money is in. It's certainly not as much in healing people as in selling lies in pill form.
It is not a joke. Or you're *really* bad at humor. If it were a joke, it would be funny. Placing a P.S. stating that "it is a joke" below a random statement, does not magically make it funny. And the blokes thinking they would look dumb when they don't laugh and moderate you funny right now, because of their weak self-confidence, do so even less.
PS: for the humor impaired: This is a joke.
P.P.S.: It really is not. ;)
P.P.P.S.: GOTO 10?
What are you talking about? Professionals nearly exclusively use DAT and DAT-like digital video cassettes for their recordings even today. It's the only thing with an acceptable quality. Only SSDs have a chance of replacing them. My father and my two brothers work (separately) in the business, so I should know.
Siemens created tiny lenses out of a drop of oil in a water suspension years ago. They work by the same principles, can be controlled with electrical fields, cost next to nothing, and are built into modern camera phones etc. This thing is just an upscaled version with a "lid". So one should be able to use electronic focusing on it too.
But it is not that new as a technology...
But a candidate for a grammar failure, for sure. ^^
But they want it! Hard and nasty! All the way up to the brain! The exclusive triple-fist of media, republicans and democrats (If you click this link, it really is your own fault! ^^), all from the same ghastly animal. Yeah! Gimme more!
Who is Hannah Montana? Seriously. I had to look her up. I notice that I "miss" more and more of that started-as-mainstream stuff, since I have no TV (I watch torrented shows and some that have their own websites like The Daily Show and South Park), no Radio (I listen so ShoutCast stations) and no Newspaper (I read Slashdot, one blog and some web comics).
Sometimes it gets boring. But then I think that with a TV, I'd only watch crap anyway. So I go read a bit more Slashdot, or find me some porn, or call a girl. ^^
It's the 21st century life. And I like it. Especially the comment function (thinking for yourself)!! :)
Won't they be more like underlings?
I know: When I have such a thing near my house, I will go outside, yell "Eat shit, you stinkin' microbes!", bang a stick on the container, watch the neighbor kids run away in terror. ^^
...until NOW!
Because today, my dream of a bot model that can infect all known botnets became true!
I call them lolbots, because of the fun I will have with them, because In Ex Soviet Russia, botnets are attacked by ME!
Now go forth my little botsies. And if they do not sing our song... blow them into little bits... *sings a children's melody* Mmmm. Mmhh-*hmmm* mmmhh hmm-mmm
*MUHAHAHAHAHAAAA*
*pets the white long-haired cat*
Yeah, because we trust Microsoft or Google so much to store our confidential internal documents, and we desperately need *another* slowing-down inner platform inside that thing... ;)
Obviously you never used a real text processing software. MS Word is about the worst starting point you can think of. And people being used to it explains why they think it is acceptable.
MS Word's interface is crippling at best. Even the new versions, where they at least partially removed modal dialogs.
But the biggest joke of 'em all is the usage of mouse-controlled elements. In a text processor? Really??
A really good text processor would internally use TeX, would have no use for a pointer device other than graphical stuff like box positioning / vector object drawing, and would let you modify styles in a cascading form of style classes (a bit like CSS, but trough a nice graphical interface with fast keyboard control).
Then add a plug-in-system like in Firefox, to add wizards for the bells and whistles in at least one nice easy language (like Python) and one fast one (like C, Java or Haskell), and allow people to create pre-packaged sets of these wizards on a nice website.
Tadaa. Now everyone can be very happy.
You mean natural selection weeding out people dumb enough to buy an el-cheapo mp3 player for a multiple of its worth, because it has a shiny logo? Niiiice! :D
Isn't that why BitTorrent was invented?
Oh wait, it's a web-service instead of a real application. Well, I call that shooting in its own food, or an EPIC FAIL in new Internetspeak.
And the Anonymous are Japanese. ^^
That's the role she *plays*. But she is pretty intelligent. The point is that you still assume her goals to be something at least half-good.
Also you assume that what she says has anything to do with what her goals are. Which is a shame, because by now, you should know that this is never ever true for professional politicians.
*Some* places? According to their latest map, you can vote for them pretty much everywhere.
And according to the German equivalent of Facebook (called StudiVZ), they have 37849 supporters. Which is more than any other party on the site (cdu/csu: 18639/3617, spd: 17956, fdp: 18117, linke: 18117, grüne: 16433), and nearly as much as the two biggest parties together. :)
So right now, the only reason they are not the biggest Party in the country, is because we have way more old than young people here.
You forgot to ask what she means with "$chaos", or you might have noticed, that this is a variable that changes at will.
Basically it's everything that stops or slows her down from getting in totalitarian control over us all. And I'm not even half kidding. :/