You make a good point with the efficiency. But you missed, that there is a fine difference between efficient and lazy. And that was kinda the whole point of my comment.
Efficient is, when you only do what is absolutely necessary to reach your goal. Lazy is, when you do less than necessary, so your chances get worse again.
That was my point. That we really don’t improve but worsen our progress. And I was actually pretty serious about it.
It’s the Clippy syndrome: So easy that it gets less efficient to use again. Missing the actual goal: Efficiency. And how did that happen? By using... wait for it... that same oversimplification on that goal, turning it into: Simplicity. This is why I hate “KISS”. It hurts everyone.
But oh well. This does only hurt you. Which makes my chances of winning in natural selection much bigger. So go on...:)
Considering the average weight of a geek, food definitely is “the other thing that he likes very much”.:)
Then again, considering his food mainly consists of (forgive my lack of knowledge about US trash “food”) pop tarts and pizza...;)
But I already thought: Why is there not a/.-like site for all areas of expertise? One for cooks. One for artists. One for porn stars... (no, you’re not allowed there!). Whatever.:)
Depends on what value you give yourself, and how good you can make others believe in that value. I think there should be a science of “personal marketing”. As a subsection of the "self-esteem" section of a general "self-improvement" (including self-teaching yourself new stuff) that get started in school, and continue all your life.
It’s all really just a mind game.
I rather run around the streets like in a game, making money in creative ways, doing my thing... than being practically just a resource in a stall, getting used up, and leaving life without anyone remembering you ever existed...
Yup, actually I’d rather die than this kind of job. I have no problem with death. There are worse things. (Like being a zombie at a sweat shop. *hinthint*) (Yep, or course that doesn’t mean I will just kill me, as I have many ideas before that would ever happen. But if it comes to it, I’m not going zombie. You can bet on that.)
I wonder if this kind of culture is true in Taiwan too. Anyone local here to tell us a bit about it?
The weird thing is, that around here, Foxconn is only known for very el-cheapo mainboards and stuff. The kind that has a certain reputation... for half of it being defective, or things like that. I never knew that they were producing Apple hardware. Is this a plus for Foxconn, or a minus for Apple? (Considering I very often hear stories about how the interior is actually not that shiny, etc, well...)
Sounds like a sweat shop to me.:/
And who’s the guilty one? Well, if the products were extremely cheap (like those mainboards), I’d blame the end-customer for being ignorant. But as Apple is not cheap at all, I blame Apple’s greed. But like the Catholic church and its crazy leader (Pope Kiddyfiddler XVI), I didn’t exactly expect good behavior from organizations with a beacon of reality distortion.:/
IMHO there is little to no difference between using other “weapons of mass destruction” and this one. It’s just that there aren’t 10,000 people affected, but it’s spread over millions of people. It’s still mass destruction of a giant area. Imagine this happening on land. Inside the USA. They’d roll in the army and shoot everyone in sight (e.g. BP officials), before stopping it.
People keep saying that, but when I search the web (yes, I used Google) the sites all say that, in Germany, I'm perfectly allowed to take photos of people in public, I'm just not allowed to publish them without getting consent. I haven't found anything specific about video.
Yes you are right about the “publish” detail. But what exactly “publish” means, is not as clear as it may seem. For example, one person recording it, and any other person seeing it, even once, in enough to make it illegal.
In other words: If any third party can prove that you are in the recording, then it got passed on to a third party, and is thereby not allowed.
I know for a fact that this is true for any type of recording. Video: The Deutsche Bahn (state-owned German rail company) is not allowed to record you in their rail stations and buildings, unless they put a big warning sign on the entries. This went to court. Audio: In Germany, directional microphones are usually sold with a warning that while this device can be used for it, it is illegal to record other people without them knowing about and agreeing to it.
I would expect that you would be violating public decency laws.
Those dark-age laws are long gone here. It is upheld numerous times in court, that when you are in a public place, concealing your primary sexual organ suffices (except for e.g. nude beaches & saunas, where being nude is mandatory). So a sock over your dick and balls, and you are good. (Yes, really.) And for women and men, there is no difference about being topless. (That would be seen as discriminatory.) It is also upheld, that on your own property, you can do whatever you want regarding “decency“. A orgy in your back yard might not be what the neighbors want to see, but they can’t forbid it. It does not matter if it can be seen from a public place. It is your private space. And looking into it, even with no walls between, is invading it.
Mind you that even the cops here in Germany get this wrong often. Hence all those lawsuits.
I think France and other states around here have pretty much the same laws.
Oh, and nobody here sues for nudity alone anyway. We just giggle, and move on. A cop might tell you to put some clothes on, but... we just don’t see what’s supposed to be the problem with it. Also when two people have sex in a park where usually nobody sees you, and someone walks in on them, then nothing big will happen. Some embarrassment, and either he or they will go away. That’s it.:)
And in east-Germany (ex GDR/DDR) they are even more open.
Are you just simply way too “dumb”* for the 21st-fuckin-century?
I know I’m (sadly) a minority here. And I know that I will probably get modded to into oblivion. But except from the stupid overengineering... come on! How about for a change actually learning something, when it is useful for you?
* I’m not even really saying that people are too dumb. It’s just that most people grew up in a culture, where it made more sense, to complain and feel entitled, to getting spoon-fed, than to understand it themselves. Where intelligent people get hate, and dumb people get special treatment (e.g. it not being allowed to point out that fact about their mental performance). So naturally, they choose the more efficient way.
But the thing is, that we all are very much capable of grasping those complex concepts that we always say we were too dumb for. It’s just an excuse. And the more it is used, the more mental growth we miss. So after some time, we really have a hard time using our brains. Just like with a muscle. Just like we all are born with the ability to some day run for hours, every day, in the heat.
So, no, they are not too smart. We’re just used to being lazy as hell.
To be honest, it was a new experimental USB stick, 1TB of size. So the installer did barely fit on it. The installer that you needed to download the actual data, of course.
I don’t see how this is bad. It’s only a SSID. If an attacker can do something bad just by knowing whatever you broadcast for everyone in a 300 m radius, then you’re already doing it wrong, and it’s your own damn fault.
If you don’t want other to have it, don’t send it out! Simple isn’t it?
Other than that, the only question left is: Did somebody hurt somebody. And unless that happened, there is no crime. Even if written law says so. (If it does, that means that the law is wrong, and created for the profit of someone other than for protection. Which means the law itself is hurting somebody, and hence the act of creating it is the crime.)
I think they are thinking that it wasn’t actually intentional. And I can’t blame them for it.
Me, while I don’t really trust any company at all, I still think that this was actually really unintentional. And the rule for unintended actions, even murder, in my system of values, is not to punish that someone. (You would have to prove that it was intentional.) I know some (in my opinion real douchbags) disagree with this, and would punish someone, no matter if it was intentional. But I don’t.
(Ok, and actually I also only know one kind of punishment: Separation. This means that those two parties won’t have any contact anymore on everything where their views are not compatible. In the long run this is much better for everyone involved.)
There is a difference between walking around naked in your house and doing so in your glass house. There is a difference between selling your 2 tickets to a concert you won't attend and selling your 100 tickets to the same concert.
It doesn’t matter if you can see into my house. The difference is between if you look into it unintentionally (e.g. by accident), or intentionally (peeping tom). It’s the intention that counts. I can’t punish you for walking around the corner and the house coming into your field of view. That would be very unfair. But I can punish you for standing outside my house in your car all day long, looking inside, and doing something under a blanket, that is obviously “jacking off”. You get the drift.
About selling 100 tickets to that concert: There is nothing wrong with that, and there never was. It’s just that the organizing companies think it is normal to have a monopoly on it, when actually they are committing a crime with enforcing such a monopoly: Anticompetitive behavior. The same thing Microsoft and Intel got punished for.
Actually, at least in Germany, it does not matter if you are a company or a private person: If you take a photo, record audio or video, and you record other people in the process, you have to first ask them, or you are committing a crime. (Yes, this includes the creepy guy.)
So if I have the drapes open and am jacking off in my living room, then when you “catch” me, you’re the pervert (peeping tom), and I can sue you for invading my privacy. (Oh, well, I won’t go into details, but I think seeing it might be punishment enough. ^^)
Just set your hotspot to invisible after having them as “known” in your client devices, and be done with it. That way the thing does not send that information to random strangers.
But hey, I don’t see anyone doing anything harmful to my network, just because he got the name of it. If that poses a security risk, you’re already “doing it wrong”.
Right now, even getting into the hotspot won’t do anything, unless you can log into the VPN behind it. (Yes, luckily, the thing is separate from my Internet router.)
You don’t seem to know how politicians work: 1. Do a couple of speeches or something in front of whoever you want to take over. 2. “Promise” some things, anything, doesn’t matter if it’s even physically possible, let alone sensible, that those people really want. 3. Link whatever you (or rather your “shareholders”) want as a precondition to that promise. 4. Use the people to get that precondition trough in parliament. 5. Forget about the original “promise”. 6. Find a “scandal” (something those people really do not want) to get them to hate the opposition again, be distracted and forget about what you did. 7. Rinse, repeat.
Real professionals make up the things, that those people think they want, themselves. E.g. by inventing non-existing dangers with the use of their media outlets. This also makes it much easier to void the “promise”, since you don’t need to fix something that never existed in the first place. Your “promise” already was fulfilled from the start.
Sales are as underwhelming as expected. And yesterday, Apple HQ fell form the distortion bubble into reality, when looking at the hard numbers. (Don’t worry. They’re right back in it again, or else they would gasp for air like fish on land. ^^)
WTF? My friend, your mind is seriously twisted by the MAFIAA FUD.
When patents were introduced, there was no such thing as “intellectual property”. There still is no such thing, since it is a physically impossible thing.
There was once at time, when patents and the author’s right protected creators for a short time, so nobody with big money stole it right from them before they could do anything with it. Then the copyright came in the USA (it still does not exist in Germany. We only have the author’s right.), and it was solely designed to give companies exclusive “rights” to exploit (works of) creators. Or in other words: To create illegal monopoly, based on abusing a inventor / creative person. Only in the last <5 years came the insanity of criminals trying to stop that whole Internet and free information thing, because it was their business model.
But you also have to know, that in Germany, a patent still becomes void, if you don’t make it into a business in the next two years. So patent trolling doesn’t work here, like it works in the US.
The WHOLE concept of “owning” information, is completely and totally unrelated to physical reality. You can not own information. Ever. Including all patentable ideas, all creative works, all speech, everything that is not a physical object. You can control information. By never passing it on. But then good luck proving its existence. You can pass it on, but then you just gave up all control. Forever. Period. No exceptions.
Saying “intellectual property” is like saying “I own philosophy” or “I own timelessness”. Get the men in the white coats with the straitjacket, cause that’s fucking insane!
Listen, here in Germany, even petitions that get 100,000 people, and therefore must officially be discussed in parliament, get completely ignored. The only thing that will change something, is to replace those criminals in the government. And then punish them. Hard.
So if you don’t vote Pirate Party now, you really brought this upon yourself, and are not allowed to complain anymore in the future. (If it comes to it, I will enforce this.)
I got prior art by the cubic square mile! Literally tons of code that did exactly that. For a loong time before you. Now what? Do you wanna sue me for it? Bring it on! I’ll rip your fucking face head off and shit in your throat! As Leonidas would say: I hope you will never die, with every day of your life being a horror worse than hell!
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You make a good point with the efficiency. But you missed, that there is a fine difference between efficient and lazy. And that was kinda the whole point of my comment.
Efficient is, when you only do what is absolutely necessary to reach your goal.
Lazy is, when you do less than necessary, so your chances get worse again.
That was my point. That we really don’t improve but worsen our progress. And I was actually pretty serious about it.
It’s the Clippy syndrome: So easy that it gets less efficient to use again. Missing the actual goal: Efficiency.
And how did that happen? By using... wait for it... that same oversimplification on that goal, turning it into: Simplicity.
This is why I hate “KISS”. It hurts everyone.
But oh well. This does only hurt you. Which makes my chances of winning in natural selection much bigger. :)
So go on...
Considering the average weight of a geek, food definitely is “the other thing that he likes very much”. :)
Then again, considering his food mainly consists of (forgive my lack of knowledge about US trash “food”) pop tarts and pizza... ;)
But I already thought: Why is there not a /.-like site for all areas of expertise? One for cooks. One for artists. One for porn stars... (no, you’re not allowed there!). Whatever. :)
Depends on what value you give yourself, and how good you can make others believe in that value. I think there should be a science of “personal marketing”. As a subsection of the "self-esteem" section of a general "self-improvement" (including self-teaching yourself new stuff) that get started in school, and continue all your life.
It’s all really just a mind game.
I rather run around the streets like in a game, making money in creative ways, doing my thing...
than being practically just a resource in a stall, getting used up, and leaving life without anyone remembering you ever existed...
Yup, actually I’d rather die than this kind of job. I have no problem with death. There are worse things. (Like being a zombie at a sweat shop. *hinthint*) (Yep, or course that doesn’t mean I will just kill me, as I have many ideas before that would ever happen. But if it comes to it, I’m not going zombie. You can bet on that.)
Karoshi (Japanese) — Death from overwork
I wonder if this kind of culture is true in Taiwan too. Anyone local here to tell us a bit about it?
The weird thing is, that around here, Foxconn is only known for very el-cheapo mainboards and stuff. The kind that has a certain reputation... for half of it being defective, or things like that. I never knew that they were producing Apple hardware.
Is this a plus for Foxconn, or a minus for Apple? (Considering I very often hear stories about how the interior is actually not that shiny, etc, well...)
Sounds like a sweat shop to me. :/
And who’s the guilty one? Well, if the products were extremely cheap (like those mainboards), I’d blame the end-customer for being ignorant. But as Apple is not cheap at all, I blame Apple’s greed. But like the Catholic church and its crazy leader (Pope Kiddyfiddler XVI), I didn’t exactly expect good behavior from organizations with a beacon of reality distortion. :/
IMHO there is little to no difference between using other “weapons of mass destruction” and this one. It’s just that there aren’t 10,000 people affected, but it’s spread over millions of people. It’s still mass destruction of a giant area. Imagine this happening on land. Inside the USA. They’d roll in the army and shoot everyone in sight (e.g. BP officials), before stopping it.
There would be nowhere to hide on the earth's surface.
Or in other words: What surface? ^^
So the half-hourly Apple story was already done? ;)
It’s not your fault. There is nothing to understand in there in the first place. :)
That’s what you get when you mix the ex-taxi-driver “web designer” with the typical consultant: A Paula Bean.
Brillant!
Using a computer is hard! Let’s go shopping!
People keep saying that, but when I search the web (yes, I used Google) the sites all say that, in Germany, I'm perfectly allowed to take photos of people in public, I'm just not allowed to publish them without getting consent. I haven't found anything specific about video.
Yes you are right about the “publish” detail. But what exactly “publish” means, is not as clear as it may seem.
For example, one person recording it, and any other person seeing it, even once, in enough to make it illegal.
In other words: If any third party can prove that you are in the recording, then it got passed on to a third party, and is thereby not allowed.
I know for a fact that this is true for any type of recording.
Video: The Deutsche Bahn (state-owned German rail company) is not allowed to record you in their rail stations and buildings, unless they put a big warning sign on the entries. This went to court.
Audio: In Germany, directional microphones are usually sold with a warning that while this device can be used for it, it is illegal to record other people without them knowing about and agreeing to it.
I would expect that you would be violating public decency laws.
Those dark-age laws are long gone here. It is upheld numerous times in court, that when you are in a public place, concealing your primary sexual organ suffices (except for e.g. nude beaches & saunas, where being nude is mandatory). So a sock over your dick and balls, and you are good. (Yes, really.) And for women and men, there is no difference about being topless. (That would be seen as discriminatory.)
It is also upheld, that on your own property, you can do whatever you want regarding “decency“. A orgy in your back yard might not be what the neighbors want to see, but they can’t forbid it. It does not matter if it can be seen from a public place. It is your private space. And looking into it, even with no walls between, is invading it.
Mind you that even the cops here in Germany get this wrong often. Hence all those lawsuits.
I think France and other states around here have pretty much the same laws.
Oh, and nobody here sues for nudity alone anyway. We just giggle, and move on. A cop might tell you to put some clothes on, but... we just don’t see what’s supposed to be the problem with it. :)
Also when two people have sex in a park where usually nobody sees you, and someone walks in on them, then nothing big will happen. Some embarrassment, and either he or they will go away. That’s it.
And in east-Germany (ex GDR/DDR) they are even more open.
Are you just simply way too “dumb”* for the 21st-fuckin-century?
I know I’m (sadly) a minority here. And I know that I will probably get modded to into oblivion. But except from the stupid overengineering... come on!
How about for a change actually learning something, when it is useful for you?
* I’m not even really saying that people are too dumb. It’s just that most people grew up in a culture, where it made more sense, to complain and feel entitled, to getting spoon-fed, than to understand it themselves. Where intelligent people get hate, and dumb people get special treatment (e.g. it not being allowed to point out that fact about their mental performance).
So naturally, they choose the more efficient way.
But the thing is, that we all are very much capable of grasping those complex concepts that we always say we were too dumb for. It’s just an excuse. And the more it is used, the more mental growth we miss. So after some time, we really have a hard time using our brains. Just like with a muscle. Just like we all are born with the ability to some day run for hours, every day, in the heat.
So, no, they are not too smart. We’re just used to being lazy as hell.
To be honest, it was a new experimental USB stick, 1TB of size.
So the installer did barely fit on it. The installer that you needed to download the actual data, of course.
I don’t see how this is bad. It’s only a SSID. If an attacker can do something bad just by knowing whatever you broadcast for everyone in a 300 m radius, then you’re already doing it wrong, and it’s your own damn fault.
If you don’t want other to have it, don’t send it out! Simple isn’t it?
Other than that, the only question left is: Did somebody hurt somebody. And unless that happened, there is no crime. Even if written law says so. (If it does, that means that the law is wrong, and created for the profit of someone other than for protection. Which means the law itself is hurting somebody, and hence the act of creating it is the crime.)
I think they are thinking that it wasn’t actually intentional. And I can’t blame them for it.
Me, while I don’t really trust any company at all, I still think that this was actually really unintentional. And the rule for unintended actions, even murder, in my system of values, is not to punish that someone. (You would have to prove that it was intentional.)
I know some (in my opinion real douchbags) disagree with this, and would punish someone, no matter if it was intentional. But I don’t.
(Ok, and actually I also only know one kind of punishment: Separation. This means that those two parties won’t have any contact anymore on everything where their views are not compatible. In the long run this is much better for everyone involved.)
Those do not fit into your analogy:
There is a difference between walking around naked in your house and doing so in your glass house.
There is a difference between selling your 2 tickets to a concert you won't attend and selling your 100 tickets to the same concert.
It doesn’t matter if you can see into my house. The difference is between if you look into it unintentionally (e.g. by accident), or intentionally (peeping tom). It’s the intention that counts.
I can’t punish you for walking around the corner and the house coming into your field of view. That would be very unfair.
But I can punish you for standing outside my house in your car all day long, looking inside, and doing something under a blanket, that is obviously “jacking off”. You get the drift.
About selling 100 tickets to that concert: There is nothing wrong with that, and there never was. It’s just that the organizing companies think it is normal to have a monopoly on it, when actually they are committing a crime with enforcing such a monopoly: Anticompetitive behavior. The same thing Microsoft and Intel got punished for.
Actually, at least in Germany, it does not matter if you are a company or a private person: If you take a photo, record audio or video, and you record other people in the process, you have to first ask them, or you are committing a crime. (Yes, this includes the creepy guy.)
So if I have the drapes open and am jacking off in my living room, then when you “catch” me, you’re the pervert (peeping tom), and I can sue you for invading my privacy.
(Oh, well, I won’t go into details, but I think seeing it might be punishment enough. ^^)
Just set your hotspot to invisible after having them as “known” in your client devices, and be done with it. That way the thing does not send that information to random strangers.
But hey, I don’t see anyone doing anything harmful to my network, just because he got the name of it. If that poses a security risk, you’re already “doing it wrong”.
Right now, even getting into the hotspot won’t do anything, unless you can log into the VPN behind it.
(Yes, luckily, the thing is separate from my Internet router.)
You don’t seem to know how politicians work:
1. Do a couple of speeches or something in front of whoever you want to take over.
2. “Promise” some things, anything, doesn’t matter if it’s even physically possible, let alone sensible, that those people really want.
3. Link whatever you (or rather your “shareholders”) want as a precondition to that promise.
4. Use the people to get that precondition trough in parliament.
5. Forget about the original “promise”.
6. Find a “scandal” (something those people really do not want) to get them to hate the opposition again, be distracted and forget about what you did.
7. Rinse, repeat.
Real professionals make up the things, that those people think they want, themselves. E.g. by inventing non-existing dangers with the use of their media outlets. This also makes it much easier to void the “promise”, since you don’t need to fix something that never existed in the first place. Your “promise” already was fulfilled from the start.
What if you live in Germany? (No, I don’t have the choice of moving, since I couldn’t pay for it.)
Don’t run away! FIGHT! Cause it is war!
Vote Pirate Party!
I just decided to change my job description to “Lawyer / crack dealer”...
Sales are as underwhelming as expected. And yesterday, Apple HQ fell form the distortion bubble into reality, when looking at the hard numbers. (Don’t worry. They’re right back in it again, or else they would gasp for air like fish on land. ^^)
WTF? My friend, your mind is seriously twisted by the MAFIAA FUD.
When patents were introduced, there was no such thing as “intellectual property”.
There still is no such thing, since it is a physically impossible thing.
There was once at time, when patents and the author’s right protected creators for a short time, so nobody with big money stole it right from them before they could do anything with it.
Then the copyright came in the USA (it still does not exist in Germany. We only have the author’s right.), and it was solely designed to give companies exclusive “rights” to exploit (works of) creators. Or in other words: To create illegal monopoly, based on abusing a inventor / creative person.
Only in the last <5 years came the insanity of criminals trying to stop that whole Internet and free information thing, because it was their business model.
But you also have to know, that in Germany, a patent still becomes void, if you don’t make it into a business in the next two years. So patent trolling doesn’t work here, like it works in the US.
The WHOLE concept of “owning” information, is completely and totally unrelated to physical reality. You can not own information. Ever. Including all patentable ideas, all creative works, all speech, everything that is not a physical object.
You can control information. By never passing it on. But then good luck proving its existence. You can pass it on, but then you just gave up all control. Forever. Period. No exceptions.
Saying “intellectual property” is like saying “I own philosophy” or “I own timelessness”.
Get the men in the white coats with the straitjacket, cause that’s fucking insane!
Yeah, because that worked in the past.
Listen, here in Germany, even petitions that get 100,000 people, and therefore must officially be discussed in parliament, get completely ignored. The only thing that will change something, is to replace those criminals in the government. And then punish them. Hard.
So if you don’t vote Pirate Party now, you really brought this upon yourself, and are not allowed to complain anymore in the future. (If it comes to it, I will enforce this.)
I got prior art by the cubic square mile! Literally tons of code that did exactly that. For a loong time before you.
Now what? Do you wanna sue me for it? Bring it on! I’ll rip your fucking face head off and shit in your throat!
As Leonidas would say: I hope you will never die, with every day of your life being a horror worse than hell!