<your style> Yeah, and every planet in the universe that has life on it, is EXACTLY like earth, just as every life in the universe looks like the “aliens” on Star Trek, and at least EXACTLY like something from earth.
You’re an arrogant simple-minded dick. Nothing to see here. Move along. </your style>
Yeah, because in all of the universe, life will only exist as we know it. That is the epic logic failure of the whole thing. And it’s incredibly arrogant.
Another milestone on the road of - “The white male is the only one that really can think.” - “The earth is obviously the center of the universe.” - “Whites are the supreme human race.” - “Men are superior to women.” - “Humans are the only ones with emotions.” - “Humans are the only ones who can actually think and reason.” - “Humans are not animals but ‘special’.” - “All life is water-based and requires oxygen” <-- here. Despite we having life (bacteria) on our very own planet, that does require neither.
Then don’t use stupid terminal services? Who came up with that crap anyway? You have a decent powerful CPU and graphics system right there on your system. Stop making excuses, and use it.
No, they are not equal. The problem is that using GUIs as we know them today, is NOT using a computer. It is instead the same thing as fiddling with an appliance. A static thing. Good luck piping the output of a Firefox menu item to Gimp. Good luck scripting the interface. That’s the real problem. You can’t really. Everything is monolithic static applications. With the rare plug-in exception.
Real work = AUTOMATING
Do you know that saying, that the computer creates the work that you wouldn’t have without it? That is what happens if you use it like an appliance, instead of automating your work away.
It’s sad that KDE and Gnome raped the Unix philosophy... with a 30 inch pipe... sideways......instead of doing it the proper way, and making everything a small module that does one thing, and does it right.
I think the Quake series takes the cake. Everything from (Defrag) trick jumping and speed running to racing games was and is available. The drop-down console was iconic. There still are new engines, including a very very high quality graphics one (XreaL) coming out. TEN YEARS after the original Quake 3 Arena. (Oh, and I still think the game looks good.)
Oh oh oh... I’m sorry for the typos & co. I’m just pretty ill right now. And while I understand what I want to say very well, I can’t quite get it out without looking a bit stupid. I hope you can look trough it...
Uuum, who still uses back buttons? There are 1. buttons on your mouse for that (button 3 and 4), 2. “rocker” gestures, 3. normal mouse gestures, 4. keyboard shortcuts.
They all don’t require to move your mouse up to a tiny button (relative to how fast you can center your mouse on it), and back afterwards.
In fact, all buttons are gone from my Firefox UI. They are just a temporary crutch for the lower end of the Gaussian distribution curve of the beginners anyway.
Keep it simple is for simple minds who didn’t have the brainpower to comprehend the original goal. The original goal was: Keep it efficient and elegant.
Because when simplicity goes up, first efficiency also goes up. But then if simplicity goes more up, efficiency goes down again. Also, the whole KISS thing is biased towards the dumbest of the dumb. (Lower end of the Gaussian distribution curve.) It kills functionality for simplicity, and hence also kills the upper end of the Gaussian curve. They can’t do their things with it anymore. And all for no reason at all, since it’s just as easy to make it good for everyone, instead of only for the loudest idiots. And then nature adjusts your user base, by averaging it on your new required intelligence level. Which introduces new, better idiots. Who again scream for simplification. Until you end up with Clippy. Yay. Way to go... Or in Internet-speak: EPIC FAIL.
But I agree, that the core should be minimalistic. Not necessarily simple. But elegant. With just the core concepts, and no exceptions at all. Because that’t what individual extension modules are for.
Well, frankly I’m too young to remember those days too. But I think you’re just a grumpy old man for generalizing the behavior of the typical consultant whose code ends up on thedailywtf.com to everyone in my generation. See, I love programming elegantly. I code mostly in Haskell. Which is a extremely efficient and elegant language. (As fast as C/C++, but much much safer and modern.) And I can tell you that I can just as well write elegant and efficient functional-programming-style JavaScript (yes, JavaScript!).
The only moments where I don’t care, is when I write throwaway or semi-throwaway shell scripts or tiny tools for me personally, where rumtime efficiently is actually pretty much irrelevant, and being able to quickly and nicely get it written is more important.
But I still love IDEs too. At least those that don’t expect me to use the mouse or stupid “wizards”. Because I am just much faster in getting my idea across. Because if there are tools there, why not use them? You also use things that use the wheel. We all use tools. Because we benefit from them.
So get off your high horse, and stop generalizing, OK? Or I could laugh at you for taking cruel months to write code that I can write in days, and still be a lost safer, more elegant and have more fun while doing it.
Companies and products mature over time and Mozilla & Firefox have done just that. Firefox will never be "light" again. Not because of technical reasons, but because users demand a full-featured browser.
No, you just don’t know the “outgrowing” principle. Ever wondered why some version numbers have four parts? Well, there is the major and minor version and the patch level. But that biggest numbers, that is usually 1 or 2, is the generation. Similar to the number behind movie sequel titles. And those versions numbers that only have 3 parts, have a 0 for the generation. The reason is, that naturally, the goal of a software project moves on. It grows. But when you designed an architecture, you designed it to be best suited for whatever you thought of at that moment. And then more and more new things come in, that don’t quite fit that architecture anymore. Up to a point, where you either do a complete rewrite.. or in other words, you re-design the basic architecture, so that it is ready for the new principle... or you end up like Windows ME: In an upside-down pyramid architecture, where you have a tiny basis, and tons of crap glued to the top of it.
Unfortunately most developers just carry on, until it burst. Instead of defining when it makes sense to stop, and think about the fundamental architecture again.
One such point was when Mozilla got replaced by Firefox. This was such a moment. Now we need another one. “Firefox 2 1.0” so to speak. Then there is absolutely no reason, why Firefox can’t be light and elegant again.:) (Actually, I think they should do this with Gecko too.)
I already commented on the last stories about Firefox, that they start to fall for a very bad thing: They start to transform from innovators to imitators.
Ok, they always were a bit on the imitator side, considering how most cool features came from Opera at the beginning. But at least they were not thinking in the imitator way. Or in other words: They were independent.
Now with things like this, the mindset turns. And what that results in, is a disease that we best know from Microsoft: The disease, where they always run behind others, but can never catch up. Since they start orienting themselves relative to those others, and set their goal to the position of those others. While those others themselves set their goal to something completely new (=innovating), and have long moved on, when the followers reach that old position. It’s a game that can’t be won. By definition.
Obligatory car analogy: It’s like in a car race: When you orient yourself on the car in front of you, you won’t catch it. Only when you stop caring how your position is relative to it, and focus on the actual driving, that you will suddenly notice how you pass it. (This caught me countless times in racing games.)
So I hope they will get back to independent action as soon as possible. Or we will soon be presented by a “Chrome/Opera/IE, but not quite as good”.
It’s like DRM: When the server is gone, your “money” is gone. (Yes, technically it’s still fraud. But I don’t see anyone of the retards who would actually use this know about that. Much less sue. And even less win.)
Plus you can not turn it into anything with any physical value. Only into imaginary things.
Needless to say: People who use this, must be shot at first sight.
Well, with most of your population infected with religious schizophrenia, and a giant industry exploiting it, it’s no surprise that this is still strong. (You know that the reason sex became a taboo, is that literally every human by definition likes it, and so everybody becomes a “sinner”. Which is very useful, because if you then paint some horror scenarios of how “sinners” will be punished, you got a nice way to command your servants, by telling them how to “free themselves from their sins”.)
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the Grammer Nazi's are
Well, you definitely didn’t. ^^
If X is rated, X will be abused. QED.
Did they develop drysuits or missiles or what? ;)
<your style>
Yeah, and every planet in the universe that has life on it, is EXACTLY like earth, just as every life in the universe looks like the “aliens” on Star Trek, and at least EXACTLY like something from earth.
You’re an arrogant simple-minded dick. Nothing to see here. Move along.
</your style>
Yeah, because in all of the universe, life will only exist as we know it.
That is the epic logic failure of the whole thing.
And it’s incredibly arrogant.
Another milestone on the road of
- “The white male is the only one that really can think.”
- “The earth is obviously the center of the universe.”
- “Whites are the supreme human race.”
- “Men are superior to women.”
- “Humans are the only ones with emotions.”
- “Humans are the only ones who can actually think and reason.”
- “Humans are not animals but ‘special’.”
- “All life is water-based and requires oxygen” <-- here.
Despite we having life (bacteria) on our very own planet, that does require neither.
Then don’t use stupid terminal services? Who came up with that crap anyway? You have a decent powerful CPU and graphics system right there on your system. Stop making excuses, and use it.
No, they are not equal. The problem is that using GUIs as we know them today, is NOT using a computer. It is instead the same thing as fiddling with an appliance. A static thing. Good luck piping the output of a Firefox menu item to Gimp. Good luck scripting the interface. That’s the real problem. You can’t really. Everything is monolithic static applications. With the rare plug-in exception.
Real work = AUTOMATING
Do you know that saying, that the computer creates the work that you wouldn’t have without it?
That is what happens if you use it like an appliance, instead of automating your work away.
It’s sad that KDE and Gnome raped the Unix philosophy... with a 30 inch pipe... sideways... ...instead of doing it the proper way, and making everything a small module that does one thing, and does it right.
Who said I want any life to survive?
MUHAHAHAHAAA
*strokes white cat with iron glove*
I think the Quake series takes the cake. Everything from (Defrag) trick jumping and speed running to racing games was and is available. The drop-down console was iconic. There still are new engines, including a very very high quality graphics one (XreaL) coming out. TEN YEARS after the original Quake 3 Arena. (Oh, and I still think the game looks good.)
It's a pity this franchise died.
Maybe because it’s mind-numbingly boring?
To make loads of money for the “defense industry”.
Who reads TFA anyway? I didn’t even read TFS, the title or your comment. Slashdot is write-only. Didn’t you know?
Oh oh oh... I’m sorry for the typos & co. I’m just pretty ill right now. And while I understand what I want to say very well, I can’t quite get it out without looking a bit stupid. I hope you can look trough it...
Uuum, who still uses back buttons? There are
1. buttons on your mouse for that (button 3 and 4),
2. “rocker” gestures,
3. normal mouse gestures,
4. keyboard shortcuts.
They all don’t require to move your mouse up to a tiny button (relative to how fast you can center your mouse on it), and back afterwards.
In fact, all buttons are gone from my Firefox UI. They are just a temporary crutch for the lower end of the Gaussian distribution curve of the beginners anyway.
Keep it simple is for simple minds who didn’t have the brainpower to comprehend the original goal.
The original goal was: Keep it efficient and elegant.
Because when simplicity goes up, first efficiency also goes up. But then if simplicity goes more up, efficiency goes down again.
Also, the whole KISS thing is biased towards the dumbest of the dumb. (Lower end of the Gaussian distribution curve.)
It kills functionality for simplicity, and hence also kills the upper end of the Gaussian curve. They can’t do their things with it anymore. And all for no reason at all, since it’s just as easy to make it good for everyone, instead of only for the loudest idiots.
And then nature adjusts your user base, by averaging it on your new required intelligence level. Which introduces new, better idiots. Who again scream for simplification. Until you end up with Clippy. Yay. Way to go... Or in Internet-speak: EPIC FAIL.
But I agree, that the core should be minimalistic. Not necessarily simple. But elegant. With just the core concepts, and no exceptions at all. Because that’t what individual extension modules are for.
Well, frankly I’m too young to remember those days too. But I think you’re just a grumpy old man for generalizing the behavior of the typical consultant whose code ends up on thedailywtf.com to everyone in my generation.
See, I love programming elegantly. I code mostly in Haskell. Which is a extremely efficient and elegant language. (As fast as C/C++, but much much safer and modern.) And I can tell you that I can just as well write elegant and efficient functional-programming-style JavaScript (yes, JavaScript!).
The only moments where I don’t care, is when I write throwaway or semi-throwaway shell scripts or tiny tools for me personally, where rumtime efficiently is actually pretty much irrelevant, and being able to quickly and nicely get it written is more important.
But I still love IDEs too. At least those that don’t expect me to use the mouse or stupid “wizards”. Because I am just much faster in getting my idea across. Because if there are tools there, why not use them? You also use things that use the wheel. We all use tools. Because we benefit from them.
So get off your high horse, and stop generalizing, OK?
Or I could laugh at you for taking cruel months to write code that I can write in days, and still be a lost safer, more elegant and have more fun while doing it.
Be sure it’s a Microsoft or Sony product, and it will be a good deed. :)
Companies and products mature over time and Mozilla & Firefox have done just that. Firefox will never be "light" again. Not because of technical reasons, but because users demand a full-featured browser.
No, you just don’t know the “outgrowing” principle. Ever wondered why some version numbers have four parts? Well, there is the major and minor version and the patch level. But that biggest numbers, that is usually 1 or 2, is the generation. Similar to the number behind movie sequel titles. And those versions numbers that only have 3 parts, have a 0 for the generation.
The reason is, that naturally, the goal of a software project moves on. It grows. But when you designed an architecture, you designed it to be best suited for whatever you thought of at that moment. And then more and more new things come in, that don’t quite fit that architecture anymore. Up to a point, where you either do a complete rewrite.. or in other words, you re-design the basic architecture, so that it is ready for the new principle... or you end up like Windows ME: In an upside-down pyramid architecture, where you have a tiny basis, and tons of crap glued to the top of it.
Unfortunately most developers just carry on, until it burst. Instead of defining when it makes sense to stop, and think about the fundamental architecture again.
One such point was when Mozilla got replaced by Firefox. This was such a moment. :)
Now we need another one. “Firefox 2 1.0” so to speak. Then there is absolutely no reason, why Firefox can’t be light and elegant again.
(Actually, I think they should do this with Gecko too.)
I already commented on the last stories about Firefox, that they start to fall for a very bad thing:
They start to transform from innovators to imitators.
Ok, they always were a bit on the imitator side, considering how most cool features came from Opera at the beginning.
But at least they were not thinking in the imitator way. Or in other words: They were independent.
Now with things like this, the mindset turns. And what that results in, is a disease that we best know from Microsoft:
The disease, where they always run behind others, but can never catch up. Since they start orienting themselves relative to those others, and set their goal to the position of those others. While those others themselves set their goal to something completely new (=innovating), and have long moved on, when the followers reach that old position. It’s a game that can’t be won. By definition.
Obligatory car analogy:
It’s like in a car race: When you orient yourself on the car in front of you, you won’t catch it. Only when you stop caring how your position is relative to it, and focus on the actual driving, that you will suddenly notice how you pass it. (This caught me countless times in racing games.)
So I hope they will get back to independent action as soon as possible. Or we will soon be presented by a “Chrome/Opera/IE, but not quite as good”.
And you expected WHAT from Microsoft?
1. Those who don’t remember history, are doomed to repeat it.
2. Once a liar, always a liar.
From now on I declare every country that allows patents like
system and method for providing and displaying a Web page having an embedded menu
a terrorist and mafia state. Get out there while you still can... and before we nuke the place. ;)
Are there even websites out there who don’t have an embedded menu? Hell, everything that offers a choice, can be seen as a menu.
It’s like DRM: When the server is gone, your “money” is gone. (Yes, technically it’s still fraud. But I don’t see anyone of the retards who would actually use this know about that. Much less sue. And even less win.)
Plus you can not turn it into anything with any physical value. Only into imaginary things.
Needless to say: People who use this, must be shot at first sight.
You are both right and wrong.
It starts with a greek letter mu, which is an M, but whose small letter looks nearly like a u.
tubes had that nice desirable sweet distortion...
There, fixed that for ya...
Well, with most of your population infected with religious schizophrenia, and a giant industry exploiting it, it’s no surprise that this is still strong. (You know that the reason sex became a taboo, is that literally every human by definition likes it, and so everybody becomes a “sinner”. Which is very useful, because if you then paint some horror scenarios of how “sinners” will be punished, you got a nice way to command your servants, by telling them how to “free themselves from their sins”.)