Every major company providing broadband got it wrong. Modems peak out at 56kbps. That's usually about 4KB/s, 5 if you're lucky. No single consumer can hurt your bandwidth.
Now provide broadband at the same flatrate type scheme. Now, your guy who stays online for hours but just chats on IRC and reads mail costs you way less than some dude who d/ls ISOs and streams 300kbps from real.com once a week.
They all got it wrong. Now they have to backtrack. Lowcost flatrate, unlimited broadband will become a thing of the past. I'd put my house on it.
The key is this: there are too many admins who patently don't know what they're doing, and some who will even admit it.
I spend a lot of time with other people's networks, and have yet to see one which stands up to how I would run my network. That's how I make money, incidentally - fixing other people's networks and securing them where possible.
A guage of how secure things are out-of-the-box is important. Some people will never switch off the default daemons, etc. Some people insist on using some Microsoft DCOM rubbish and opening holes over their firewalls to do it because they can't do anything else. They don't know how and don't care to know.
So, this kind of survey is important for those lesser admins who are probably not geeks and just trying to hold on to their jobs. Perhaps they are good at other things and valuable for the company, and the same is too tight to invest in a proper sysadmin so they dump him the job because he can hack a few basics together and get it to work.
All those of you saying "RedHat isn't secure out of the box" and all that OpenBSD stuff are already enlightened. These surveys are not for you. They are for all those other readers who don't fathom why you're mentioning OpenBSD in the first place.
I'm totally with you on that. Posts about "Star Wars speak" type jokes (this is not the NOC you're looking for), Beowulf clusters, and the "Slashdot effect" are systematic and just not funny, and yet currently this comment is the highest rated of all.
However, I find that being a bit more poetic than "Shut up you Troll" works better.;-)
Yeah absolutely, but it's not as universal as all that. Some people just don't ever own physical copies of music, happy with duff quality AM radio, and never go to the cinema and all that
Most people want email and web access. I bet a lot of that is for occasional porn, too... statistics somewhere probably suggest that.
I think that for some low usage types, broadband adds nothing to the experience. If they have to wait 2 or 20 minutes for that one mp3 they download a week, what does it matter? They're probably online for a 30-40 minute session anyway.
HDTV hasn't had a big pickup either. A killer app won't be just more speed, but something completely new available. Most people who want good movies are perfectly happy to subscribe to cable or rent, rather than the hassle (and it is a hassle) of downloading movies "for free (not)" from the 'net.
The true broadband usefulness I see for corporate WAN and teleworking. Can't see it being useful to the home user who doesn't do much with the 'net in his/her home. Just those who are already pushing their modem to its limits and staying online forever. Chat users with no local call fees wouldn't get broadband anyway, unless they are big DCC users.
When offering staff here a better webmail client, more than 50% said they would rather stick with what they have than to change. With training included, and additional features explained, I might add.
Saving $5 a month but having to learn a new interface, change email, or any other impediment, will stop a large number of users who read maybe 2 sites a week and read email on a non-daily basis. Broadband as a business model is shaky to say the least. Those consumers who want it happen to be those that are least wanted as consumers by the ISPs. Their cuddly minimal use people will be tying up modem pools for decades to come.
Well sometimes I get sick of stories which are of limited interest, because they themselves are redundant and have already appeared here before. Then I go say something, and get modded down as overrated when I wasn't modded up in the first place. I just don't dig it. I'm trying to say something about the story and encourage debate, but people in the end just want to attack me for some pedantic reason instead of replying in the spirit of the debate. Which is about the story and how redundant it is.
I want to see proper news, or encourage proper debate, by posting as I do. I do not seek all this abuse I seem to keep getting for no particular reason. What is wrong with you people? (see whole thread)
People have been trying to change society since it began. I sympathize with you when you lament the fact that society isn't as idealistic as you. I felt that way when I was 20 also. Well I'm the wrong end of twenty and still putting my money where my mouth is
The reality is that you are a part of a material oriented society. No one has offered any ostensibly workable alternative to it. If you take this as an unfortunate truth, how then can you convince people to come around to your way of thinking?
Well you can just try to be a good person yourself. That was my point. Persuading others won't often work, but leading by example is what must be done.
If you can't force something on people, as we live in a society with some freedom of choice, you need to make it desirable to them.
Make green products and lifestyles desirable to people and they will be adopted. Never give up. The problem with this statement is that what is desirable is defined by reactions of peers to your accoutrements. My peers feel less good about their purchases if others disapprove on moral, ethical or other grounds.
There is no social way to force the majority to adopt your ideals. Use an economic and practical way by making your ideals cheaper and more attractive. IE cooler and cheaper. Why does it have to be economic? People pay 3x more for flat LCD monitors, not just for the "cool" factor but a number of other practical things.
The bottom line is that I refuse to give up on my idealism, and I try to set an example. If I fail to convert others, it's a shame. But I won't ever give up to pessimism myself, and just accept things the way they are, as you have. Then again, I'm not old enough yet to be completely disillusioned, so maybe you are right.
Incidentally, although I don't go for the Pentagon thing (though it coulda been an accident) I have read convincing argument that Monroe was indeed assassinated. But really being driven to suicide or assassinated is pretty much the same so many years down the line anyway.
Not exactly, but that's the best title I could come up with
Anyway, the point is that one key developer, within a structure like open source, means that others can read what he's done, and submit patches, etc.
What makes a lot of good Open Source Software so good is that one developer has got something that works done, and then others finetune it until it becomes a formidable thing. And others still take it and make something new out of it.
Of course there's just one developer per project. But then each project on it's own is not worth much without a mesh of other products. The Linux model - a loosely knit team of hackers - means exactly that. But it does work. And credit to those pioneers who have the dedication to actually code a working program alone, and then put up with criticism and limited praise for no reward.
If that you could be judged on who you are, and not what you own, most of your argument goes out of the window.
Sadly the trend in the world is that what you own (and how "cool" it is) is somehow more important than how much you care. Keeps me awake at night, that one.
Green products should not HAVE to be cheaper and better. They need to be neither. People need to change, not products.
Sorry, but I have to respond. Firstly, because if you're not trying to start something don't mention that you're not trying to. Reverse psychology tends to attract flames etc.
I am European. I am on your side, I suppose. The point being that the American lot will indeed get up in arms whatever happens, and I get more anti-American every day - not anti American people, but anti- the American system.
I got modded as overrated and yet I just forgot to unclick the bonus point. And I don't care anyway, karma means nothing. Interesting discussion is what it's all about, but I don't have the time to explain properly.
The USA was founded by a spirit of adventure and PROFIT at the expense of others. So were most other colonies. People didn't go there to be environmental, they went there to get rich and were ready to kill the natives if necessary.
The current administration scares the hell out of me. Look at all those conspiracy theories, even one about 9/11 now, that the Pentagon was not even hit by a plane but by a missile fired from short range (i.e. from the USA). Marilyn Monroe was assassinated. The truth is indeed much stranger than you think.
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Buy now, pay tomorrow. Do now, pay tomorrow... procrastination and put off until tomorrow.
Anyone earning large amounts of money exploiting other people, materials, chemicals that are bad for the environment... they're all doing it
Anyone consuming the cheapest product, without any care for production... they're doing it
Nobody calculates the REAL cost of anything any more. Look at the dot com crash. Before that there were investors buying in to exploration trips on ships that would never get a crew and sail. It comes back again and again.
This book sounds like a great read. Will you read it? Probably not. Will you buy more expensive, eco friendly stuff? Probably not.
And who is most to blame? World leaders. Corruption. You name it. But the only person you can really blame is yourself. For that, indeed, is the only thing you can really change.
Global attitudes have to change. These things are possible. Stop chasing the money dragon, and get into a more zen life.
Or you could just say bollocks to it, and get run over by a bus tomorrow... you can't be a finite being in a (to all intents and purposes) infinite world and still contribute to the greater good, really, can you?
I'm coming at you with two thoughts: that not taking pills makes you feel worse means 2 things (possibly):
1) Your mind reacts to the taking of pills ceremony. In many addiction cycles, it is not just the addictive substance (nicotine, alcohol, heroin) but the process by which it is taken which is hardest to shake (lighting the cigarette, opening the wine, preparing the injection). You may not be addicted to a substance, but to a routine. Thus you are suffering some kind of withdrawal (quite likely to be a physical withdrawal, in fact. Medication can be very addictive both physically AND mentally).
2) The not feeling worse also comes from the pricing of the medication. If it were cheap, you wouldn't react mentally in the same way.
That's why I'm saying taking sugar pills that you pay more than they cost for helps to gain the two mental states, without the medication which is clearly going to play a physical part in the whole thing to. So prescribe yourself a placebo, if you don't feel that "withdrawal" even by taking sugar pills, then you have pinpointed the fact that your mind has more to do with this (even subconsciously). Then you are on the road to enlightenment.
My money is on all those symptoms being psychosomatic. It's well known. Pay $100 for sugar pills and they will make you physically feel better than sugar pills bought at $1. Psychosomatics can regulate your actual well being.
If I were you, I'd try to confuse your psychosomatics. Have a friend get you sugar pills, but pay him $100 to do it.
In the UK, any individual has the right to have access to any data stored about their personal details, preferences, etc.
Is there any law like this in the US? I'd love to see users being given the right to see the data on these boxes (when inevitably it is harvested), especially via some kind of telnet login;-) then you could hack the contents and send their statistics to hell. Big brother, go away.
Isn't ice just ice, except when it's dry ice or ice cream? Or do you get some other kind of ice too? The solid form of water is ice. Who's going to think they discovered something else when they report "Ice discovered on Mars"? Let's check the dictionary:-
Water frozen solid. - Easy enough, that's what they found
A surface, layer, or mass of frozen water. - Yep, same again
Something resembling frozen water: ammonia ice. - Note the qualifier AMMONIA in there
A frozen dessert consisting of water, sugar, and a liquid flavoring, often fruit juice. Cake frosting; icing. - Maybe they found that on Mars? And the freakin' big bakery / freezer to go with it
Slang. Diamonds. - Ya never know, maybe Ali G thought that
Sports. The playing field in ice hockey; the rink. - Canadians maybe thought they found a hockey field buried deep under Mars, and are already planning the 2004 tour to Mars?
Slang. A payment over the listed price of a ticket for a public event. - Hehe, like, you'll be paying in ice to get to Mars?
Slang. Methamphetamine. - Maybe that's what they found too!
I'd make that April 25 2001. I saw the beta of this site over a year ago, and it went operational in the wake of the dot com crash, so it's more like a year old.
Is it really true that Slashdot only just realised this kind of thing has been quietly adding extra time to your searches to give you some flash graphical map?
Yep, totally. It was called "Moviedrome" I think, and included some good David Lynch films (the earlier stuff) and some other rare stuff. True that the intros made the films more exciting than they were, sometimes!
IIRC, and I may be wrong (so prove it) there was a cult screening on a weeknight on UK terrestrial TV (Channel 4 I think) which was presented by Alex Cox, who sounded more knowledgeable about the films he chose (a long running series) than any other presenter I care to remember. He let you know before the film started whether it would appeal to you, hence saving many hours where I could go do something else instead of watch a movie that's a cult classic for some reason thoroughly unappealing to me.
I have seen Sid and Nancy also. Possibly the only kind of role where Courtney Love is well cast.
I hadn't noticed that the pants had a security tag on them, and I neglected to remove it. I'm not sure how I would have removed it anyway, but the really large man keeping an eye on the self-checkout lines would surely have taken care of it.
Well if he was watching you, saw you didn't take it off, but saw you paid, then he's not going to worry if you set off the alarm is he?
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Now provide broadband at the same flatrate type scheme. Now, your guy who stays online for hours but just chats on IRC and reads mail costs you way less than some dude who d/ls ISOs and streams 300kbps from real.com once a week.
They all got it wrong. Now they have to backtrack. Lowcost flatrate, unlimited broadband will become a thing of the past. I'd put my house on it.
I spend a lot of time with other people's networks, and have yet to see one which stands up to how I would run my network. That's how I make money, incidentally - fixing other people's networks and securing them where possible.
A guage of how secure things are out-of-the-box is important. Some people will never switch off the default daemons, etc. Some people insist on using some Microsoft DCOM rubbish and opening holes over their firewalls to do it because they can't do anything else. They don't know how and don't care to know.
So, this kind of survey is important for those lesser admins who are probably not geeks and just trying to hold on to their jobs. Perhaps they are good at other things and valuable for the company, and the same is too tight to invest in a proper sysadmin so they dump him the job because he can hack a few basics together and get it to work.
All those of you saying "RedHat isn't secure out of the box" and all that OpenBSD stuff are already enlightened. These surveys are not for you. They are for all those other readers who don't fathom why you're mentioning OpenBSD in the first place.
However, I find that being a bit more poetic than "Shut up you Troll" works better. ;-)
Most people want email and web access. I bet a lot of that is for occasional porn, too... statistics somewhere probably suggest that.
I think that for some low usage types, broadband adds nothing to the experience. If they have to wait 2 or 20 minutes for that one mp3 they download a week, what does it matter? They're probably online for a 30-40 minute session anyway.
HDTV hasn't had a big pickup either. A killer app won't be just more speed, but something completely new available. Most people who want good movies are perfectly happy to subscribe to cable or rent, rather than the hassle (and it is a hassle) of downloading movies "for free (not)" from the 'net.
The true broadband usefulness I see for corporate WAN and teleworking. Can't see it being useful to the home user who doesn't do much with the 'net in his/her home. Just those who are already pushing their modem to its limits and staying online forever. Chat users with no local call fees wouldn't get broadband anyway, unless they are big DCC users.
Saving $5 a month but having to learn a new interface, change email, or any other impediment, will stop a large number of users who read maybe 2 sites a week and read email on a non-daily basis. Broadband as a business model is shaky to say the least. Those consumers who want it happen to be those that are least wanted as consumers by the ISPs. Their cuddly minimal use people will be tying up modem pools for decades to come.
I want to see proper news, or encourage proper debate, by posting as I do. I do not seek all this abuse I seem to keep getting for no particular reason. What is wrong with you people? (see whole thread)
What the hell is a fucktard anyway? Think of a decent insult at least.
Sorry. Good point.
...that gets together and shows that they have a commercial or non-commercial project that is viable by the sheer weight of their numbers will win.
Well I'm the wrong end of twenty and still putting my money where my mouth is
The reality is that you are a part of a material oriented society. No one has offered any ostensibly workable alternative to it. If you take this as an unfortunate truth, how then can you convince people to come around to your way of thinking?
Well you can just try to be a good person yourself. That was my point. Persuading others won't often work, but leading by example is what must be done.
If you can't force something on people, as we live in a society with some freedom of choice, you need to make it desirable to them. Make green products and lifestyles desirable to people and they will be adopted.
Never give up. The problem with this statement is that what is desirable is defined by reactions of peers to your accoutrements. My peers feel less good about their purchases if others disapprove on moral, ethical or other grounds.
There is no social way to force the majority to adopt your ideals. Use an economic and practical way by making your ideals cheaper and more attractive. IE cooler and cheaper.
Why does it have to be economic? People pay 3x more for flat LCD monitors, not just for the "cool" factor but a number of other practical things.
The bottom line is that I refuse to give up on my idealism, and I try to set an example. If I fail to convert others, it's a shame. But I won't ever give up to pessimism myself, and just accept things the way they are, as you have. Then again, I'm not old enough yet to be completely disillusioned, so maybe you are right.
Incidentally, although I don't go for the Pentagon thing (though it coulda been an accident) I have read convincing argument that Monroe was indeed assassinated. But really being driven to suicide or assassinated is pretty much the same so many years down the line anyway.
Anyway, the point is that one key developer, within a structure like open source, means that others can read what he's done, and submit patches, etc.
What makes a lot of good Open Source Software so good is that one developer has got something that works done, and then others finetune it until it becomes a formidable thing. And others still take it and make something new out of it.
Of course there's just one developer per project. But then each project on it's own is not worth much without a mesh of other products. The Linux model - a loosely knit team of hackers - means exactly that. But it does work. And credit to those pioneers who have the dedication to actually code a working program alone, and then put up with criticism and limited praise for no reward.
Sadly the trend in the world is that what you own (and how "cool" it is) is somehow more important than how much you care. Keeps me awake at night, that one.
Green products should not HAVE to be cheaper and better. They need to be neither. People need to change, not products.
I am European. I am on your side, I suppose. The point being that the American lot will indeed get up in arms whatever happens, and I get more anti-American every day - not anti American people, but anti- the American system.
I got modded as overrated and yet I just forgot to unclick the bonus point. And I don't care anyway, karma means nothing. Interesting discussion is what it's all about, but I don't have the time to explain properly.
Looks like you are trying to, really.
The USA was founded by a spirit of adventure and PROFIT at the expense of others. So were most other colonies. People didn't go there to be environmental, they went there to get rich and were ready to kill the natives if necessary.
The current administration scares the hell out of me. Look at all those conspiracy theories, even one about 9/11 now, that the Pentagon was not even hit by a plane but by a missile fired from short range (i.e. from the USA). Marilyn Monroe was assassinated. The truth is indeed much stranger than you think.
Anyone earning large amounts of money exploiting other people, materials, chemicals that are bad for the environment... they're all doing it
Anyone consuming the cheapest product, without any care for production... they're doing it
Nobody calculates the REAL cost of anything any more. Look at the dot com crash. Before that there were investors buying in to exploration trips on ships that would never get a crew and sail. It comes back again and again.
This book sounds like a great read. Will you read it? Probably not. Will you buy more expensive, eco friendly stuff? Probably not.
And who is most to blame? World leaders. Corruption. You name it. But the only person you can really blame is yourself. For that, indeed, is the only thing you can really change.
Global attitudes have to change. These things are possible. Stop chasing the money dragon, and get into a more zen life.
Or you could just say bollocks to it, and get run over by a bus tomorrow... you can't be a finite being in a (to all intents and purposes) infinite world and still contribute to the greater good, really, can you?
I'm coming at you with two thoughts: that not taking pills makes you feel worse means 2 things (possibly):
1) Your mind reacts to the taking of pills ceremony. In many addiction cycles, it is not just the addictive substance (nicotine, alcohol, heroin) but the process by which it is taken which is hardest to shake (lighting the cigarette, opening the wine, preparing the injection). You may not be addicted to a substance, but to a routine. Thus you are suffering some kind of withdrawal (quite likely to be a physical withdrawal, in fact. Medication can be very addictive both physically AND mentally).
2) The not feeling worse also comes from the pricing of the medication. If it were cheap, you wouldn't react mentally in the same way.
That's why I'm saying taking sugar pills that you pay more than they cost for helps to gain the two mental states, without the medication which is clearly going to play a physical part in the whole thing to. So prescribe yourself a placebo, if you don't feel that "withdrawal" even by taking sugar pills, then you have pinpointed the fact that your mind has more to do with this (even subconsciously). Then you are on the road to enlightenment.
HTH
If I were you, I'd try to confuse your psychosomatics. Have a friend get you sugar pills, but pay him $100 to do it.
Is there any law like this in the US? I'd love to see users being given the right to see the data on these boxes (when inevitably it is harvested), especially via some kind of telnet login ;-) then you could hack the contents and send their statistics to hell. Big brother, go away.
What's all this about H20 ice, Water ice, etc?
Isn't ice just ice, except when it's dry ice or ice cream? Or do you get some other kind of ice too? The solid form of water is ice. Who's going to think they discovered something else when they report "Ice discovered on Mars"? Let's check the dictionary:-
Water frozen solid.
- Easy enough, that's what they found
A surface, layer, or mass of frozen water.
- Yep, same again
Something resembling frozen water: ammonia ice.
- Note the qualifier AMMONIA in there
A frozen dessert consisting of water, sugar, and a liquid flavoring, often fruit juice.
Cake frosting; icing.
- Maybe they found that on Mars? And the freakin' big bakery / freezer to go with it
Slang. Diamonds.
- Ya never know, maybe Ali G thought that
Sports. The playing field in ice hockey; the rink.
- Canadians maybe thought they found a hockey field buried deep under Mars, and are already planning the 2004 tour to Mars?
Slang. A payment over the listed price of a ticket for a public event.
- Hehe, like, you'll be paying in ice to get to Mars?
Slang. Methamphetamine.
- Maybe that's what they found too!
My 2 Haitian Gourdes worth.
Extinct Tasmanian Tiger One Step Closer to Cloning
Since that poor Australian server just got completely and utterly flamed... :(
Is it really true that Slashdot only just realised this kind of thing has been quietly adding extra time to your searches to give you some flash graphical map?
Yep, totally. It was called "Moviedrome" I think, and included some good David Lynch films (the earlier stuff) and some other rare stuff. True that the intros made the films more exciting than they were, sometimes!
I have seen Sid and Nancy also. Possibly the only kind of role where Courtney Love is well cast.
Well if he was watching you, saw you didn't take it off, but saw you paid, then he's not going to worry if you set off the alarm is he?