And, what - do they stop using it after those couple years?
Quite possibly. After they move out of the house or leave college, and find out how much living in the real world actually costs. You can only make the choice of "food, gas, rent, or broadband" come out in favor of broadband for a little while.
"They think we're just a bunch of anarchistic, anti free speech, long hair freaks, who have nothing good to say. They think that we can't win on the merits of our own platform. They think that all we're interested in is making a scene, rather than coming up with constructive, workable ideas.
...evolving new economic systems. Our personal timeline is simply too short too see it all. Granted, the time between different systems emerging and becoming successful/dominant may be shorter (as is everything else), but it is evolving. These things take time.
Yes. We hear of the mistakes and problems, but rarely the successes.
And checking ID's at the airport is, of course, the only step that's been taken in fighting this problem. We're NOT opening schools in Afghanistan (for girls, sometimes the first school in years), we're NOT capturing terrorist cells in London and Pakistan, we're NOT trying to jumpstart the free election process in Afghanistan and Iraq, we're NOT using intel from captured laptops to identify other bad actors (and their aliases?)
No..we're not doing any of that. All that is being done is the totally ineffective step of a cursory ID check at the airport.
Given that The only way to eliminate terrorists is to eliminate the social, religious, economic and political causes of terrorism and then kill the ones still living will take decades at the least, what do you propose be done in the meantime? Nothing?
Question: How will the passport help you establish whether someone actually is a terrorist or not?
It will when your made up name "Hassan Al Brahimi" also shows up on other lists. Producing ID does not 'prevent' anything. It makes the terrorists job harder. Juggling multiple 'safe' ID's, etc. Make it harder, and they will slip up.
The solution to poverty and hunger isn't universal.
The poor guy you're speaking of, trying to make sand soup, needs a whole different level of help.
Not all "poor and hungry" are at that level. A few years ago, I had ocassion to ride my bike through Turkey a lot. Off in the hills near Adana. Came across many, many small villages. These guys had nothing BUT their farms. Little tiny village, one general store/meeting place/local bar. Usually, the only telephone in the village as well. Were they 'poor'? By local Turkish standards, yes. Hungry? Not really. But they were working like dogs, just trying to get their crop in and get a decent price for it. These are the guys who could seriously benefit from this type of tool. Better disease protection for his crops. Better crop rotation. Better fertilization techniques. Better tractor maintenance. Better price for his crops. Bingo...more food left over to give to the guy who can't grow his own avocado.
Hell...I'm not a farmer. But give them more information, and let THEM figure out how to implement it.
Maybe he wants this to actually work in some fashion, and not be stalled at the 0.2 alpha stage like thousands of other OS projects.
Maybe, with the backing of a major player like MS, he can get other funding (hardware/network).
Would Linux the OS be cheaper than MS the OS? Yes, but only if you actually get the product to market and in peoples hands. Choosing the wrong parts might well kill it, thereby accomplishing nothing.
If the farmer could look up and see which market is giving the best price for his avocados, he'd be able to make a choice. 50 miles east to sell at $0.10/lb, or 75 miles west, to sell at $0.20/lb. Currently, he just has to flip a coin, because he has no way of knowing the prices, out there.
Or getting information from the local agricultural ministry, about how to combat an avocado blight thats going around.
Not everything that can be gotten through a CRT is mindless fluff.
An individual line item for $0.25 on your bill --- "Security Surcharge - $0.25" or "Due to increased operating costs, we're changing the base rate for standard phone service from $18.45 to $18.70" or "Police budget will increase this year by $600,000 dollars. Most of this increase will be used to create two new officer position, specifically targeted at electronic crime prevention. The rest will be used for their network infrastructure."
Sure, pblic transport is highly subsidiised. But the oft-repeated phrase that 'gas tax pays for the roads' is no more true than 'bus fare pays for the buses'.
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Do YOU benefit from greater access to information? Sure you do. I know *I* do.
Why shouldn't this guy?
And, what - do they stop using it after those couple years?
Quite possibly. After they move out of the house or leave college, and find out how much living in the real world actually costs.
You can only make the choice of "food, gas, rent, or broadband" come out in favor of broadband for a little while.
Wish we had one world.
We do. Don't fuck it up.
The 50 gallon drum is the PERFECT solution.
1. Buy 50 gal drum of hand soap
2. Empty it out
3. Climb in.
4. Have someone seal the lid.
problem solved.
WeBlowItUp
Those that can't administrate sit on the sidelines and make rude noises, like "FROSTY PISS!"
"They think we're just a bunch of anarchistic, anti free speech, long hair freaks, who have nothing good to say. They think that we can't win on the merits of our own platform. They think that all we're interested in is making a scene, rather than coming up with constructive, workable ideas.
Let's prove it to 'em!"
A warmer lake will lead to more lake effect snows in ... Cleveland.
Wrong lake. Cleveland is on Lake Erie. Perhaps you're thinking of Rochester.
All that needs to be done is to abolish property and the state
Ok. We'll get right on that. Is next Friday soon enough, or do you need it earlier?
Very true. Which might mean, when you put actual humans in the mix, that is cannot exist.
All are equal. Some are more equal than others.
...evolving new economic systems. Our personal timeline is simply too short too see it all. Granted, the time between different systems emerging and becoming successful/dominant may be shorter (as is everything else), but it is evolving.
These things take time.
If you go to microsoft.com, the first link is "What you need to know if you go online at home".
They should, however, put this prominently on www.msn.com, which IS the default start page for IE.
Yes. We hear of the mistakes and problems, but rarely the successes.
And checking ID's at the airport is, of course, the only step that's been taken in fighting this problem. We're NOT opening schools in Afghanistan (for girls, sometimes the first school in years), we're NOT capturing terrorist cells in London and Pakistan, we're NOT trying to jumpstart the free election process in Afghanistan and Iraq, we're NOT using intel from captured laptops to identify other bad actors (and their aliases?)
No..we're not doing any of that. All that is being done is the totally ineffective step of a cursory ID check at the airport.
Given that The only way to eliminate terrorists is to eliminate the social, religious, economic and political causes of terrorism and then kill the ones still living will take decades at the least, what do you propose be done in the meantime?
Nothing?
err...they do. Free. Not as continuously up to date as it might be, but they do have them.
hmm...or rather, they did.
Question: How will the passport help you establish whether someone actually is a terrorist or not?
It will when your made up name "Hassan Al Brahimi" also shows up on other lists. Producing ID does not 'prevent' anything. It makes the terrorists job harder. Juggling multiple 'safe' ID's, etc. Make it harder, and they will slip up.
The solution to poverty and hunger isn't universal.
The poor guy you're speaking of, trying to make sand soup, needs a whole different level of help.
Not all "poor and hungry" are at that level. A few years ago, I had ocassion to ride my bike through Turkey a lot. Off in the hills near Adana. Came across many, many small villages. These guys had nothing BUT their farms. Little tiny village, one general store/meeting place/local bar. Usually, the only telephone in the village as well. Were they 'poor'? By local Turkish standards, yes. Hungry? Not really. But they were working like dogs, just trying to get their crop in and get a decent price for it.
These are the guys who could seriously benefit from this type of tool. Better disease protection for his crops. Better crop rotation. Better fertilization techniques. Better tractor maintenance. Better price for his crops. Bingo...more food left over to give to the guy who can't grow his own avocado.
Hell...I'm not a farmer. But give them more information, and let THEM figure out how to implement it.
How many times have you called several stores for a price quote, vs looking them up online? Why can't this guy?
Maybe he wants this to actually work in some fashion, and not be stalled at the 0.2 alpha stage like thousands of other OS projects.
Maybe, with the backing of a major player like MS, he can get other funding (hardware/network).
Would Linux the OS be cheaper than MS the OS? Yes, but only if you actually get the product to market and in peoples hands. Choosing the wrong parts might well kill it, thereby accomplishing nothing.
If the farmer could look up and see which market is giving the best price for his avocados, he'd be able to make a choice. 50 miles east to sell at $0.10/lb, or 75 miles west, to sell at $0.20/lb. Currently, he just has to flip a coin, because he has no way of knowing the prices, out there.
Or getting information from the local agricultural ministry, about how to combat an avocado blight thats going around.
Not everything that can be gotten through a CRT is mindless fluff.
No, but split that among 50 families in the village, and it becomes MUCH more palatable.
I will bet my life savings...
$23 and half a bag of Fritos isn't much of a bet.
Either:
An individual line item for $0.25 on your bill --- "Security Surcharge - $0.25"
or
"Due to increased operating costs, we're changing the base rate for standard phone service from $18.45 to $18.70"
or
"Police budget will increase this year by $600,000 dollars. Most of this increase will be used to create two new officer position, specifically targeted at electronic crime prevention. The rest will be used for their network infrastructure."
What if your son was the previous #1 on the list, bumped by this guy?
I know what you're saying, but there is another side to the story.
This also means, if you have money, you can go to the head of the line. Corrupting the other image of the "Web", as the Great Equalizer.
Sure, pblic transport is highly subsidiised. But the oft-repeated phrase that 'gas tax pays for the roads' is no more true than 'bus fare pays for the buses'.