Sure, their Johnny Thunders / Iggy / Lou Reed / NY Dolls / Ramones / Damned / take your pick -derivative two chord masterpieces hopefully turned people on to other bands that actually mattered. Yay, Pistols!
Me, I always felt like something was missing with them, even as a kid. Felt strangely empty after listening to NMTB, sort of like after an episode of King of Queens. Felt like I'd been had, somehow. Not so with say, Rocket to Russia, or (in my sXe period) The Crew. For me the Pistols weren't the first punk band I heard, that dubious honor goes to Johnny, Marky, DeeDee, and Joey.
Cos every star that shines in the back of your mind is just waitin' for his cover to be blown
I was listening to punk music while futzing around on FIDOnet when you were still begging your mommy to let you get a CompuServe account.
Why do you think we were called cyberPUNKs, dork? Go to DefCon and count mohawks some time.
I code, I hack, and I listen to punk, been that way since before you got here, will be that way long after you climb up to middle management and forget what little you ever knew.
The Pistols were a marketed, packaged commodity -- the punk equivalent of the Spice Girls. Many other bands maintained a semblance of integrity, and deserve more credit: the Damned, the Ramones, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, hell, even the Clash.
What exactly is there to celebrate about a band that was all hype and zero substance?
A lot of power companies, in the process of building nationwide power connectivity, laid fiber as well. They want to generate traffic (and revenue) from this dark fiber, and are snapping up ISP's and network companies to build out layer three.
Why do so many people think MCSE is the only route to money in IT? Get RHCE, Cisco Certified (CCNA, CCDA), and Sun Certified, and then try to tell me the only way you can make money in IT is as an NT rebooting specialist...
I make a very nice income-- I'm 24, college dropout, and I don't touch a single MS box in the course of my job, EVER... I had to fight pretty hard to get here, but I stuck to my guns, and kept doing what I love, and it's paid off.
[ontopic] XFree only crashes on me when xfstt and xfs start fighting over fonts-- then it cycles and glitches and screenrolls until I have to telnet in and kill X. [/ontopic]
trying TKRat:
I have. It's so damn ugly, though. And minimal support for attachments, URLs, and html mail, all of which are, unfortunately, job requirements for me.
I've been impressed with Balsa, but it's not quite there yet. Actually, I'd like to see Balsa integrated with gnomecal and gnomecard for a full-service productivity app a la' Outlook.
gpm does indeed keep a pidfile if called in your inits, at least on all the distros I've used. You could call the shutdown portion of that init before starting X, though this might require root privileges. maybe set up xdm to start in rc.local, but set it up to be killable, call it from a script where the prior step is to stop gpm, the next step to start xdm, and the next to restart gpm.
>There's nothing left that is harder to install >than linux. I don't think that excuse is going >to hold up anymore.
Upgraded IRIX lately? Installed SCO 5? AIX?
Linux is a very user-friendly *Unix-based* OS. User-friendly is relative. I could care less if WinXX is easier. WinXX also happens to suck. I'm interested in running the Internet, not Joe Schmoe's file server. And I could care less what you run on your desktop.
MS can't run with the big boys on the big boxes, and they don't get the net. Never have. Therefore, they're irrelevant. Move on. Why waste time trying to make it easy for Grandma to use when we run half the WWW?
Linux as "Windows Killer" is a sucker's game.
The net is the killer app, embedded devices are the killer app, and whether your little brother can install it on his Packard Bell is not what Cox and Torvalds and Bob Young should be worried about.
I used to do a lot of bench work on Toshiba, Compaq, Gateway, DEC, etc. laptops and 98% are soldered to the board. I've seen a few socketed ones but you still need to be able to jumper to up the clock and I haven't seen one that would let you do that.
Try selling it. Laptops hold their value better than desktops, so you may still be able to get 500 bucks or so, which will put you halfway to a new one on onsale or one of the other discount houses.
"I've used PHP on Linux with Apache and have had lots of luck with it, but that's because it's designed to work on UNIX-y boxes with Apache, for the most part. Trying to wedge it into an NT/IIS situation is, IMHO, Not A Good Idea."
I agree. You sell them on it and push it as open standard to get away from proprietary solutions, you run it on a crappy OS and a crappy HTTP server instead of the platform it's built for, and the higher-ups blame the app when it bombs out, instead of the platform. "Open Source? Apache? We tried that PHP stuff on the IIS box and it cratered in a week."
Wait for a chance to implement it on Apache/GNU/BSD or it'll sneak up and bite you in the ass.
I've done what you're talking about on both platforms, pal, and believe me -- it went a HELL of a lot more smoothly on *nix (did one DBMS / POS on SCO, another on Linux, a couple in Win/DOS).
Don't speak up unless you've done it, please. It's an absolute pain in the ass to do something like this cleanly on Win/DOS, unless you just buy a turnkey setup, which still will probably bomb out on occasion.
In fact, if anybody knows the Git-N-Go (tm) chains here in the U.S. (which run NT/9x), you're probably familiar with waiting in line or waiting to pump gas while the semi-literate sales clerk reboots the register. I see it about twice a month; waited in line 20 min.'s while they figured out the register was locked up today.
Word to the wise: secure the hell out of your box before you go poking around and knocking on people's doors and peeking in windows. A lot of people don't take kindly to portscans. Some of them will peek back, and maybe bounce your box and check for common vulnerabilities as a warning shot.
Simple: Slack works to build apps because you installed it with the proper packages (tgz's) to allow you to do this, probably libc headers, some libcrypt stuff, yadda yadda. RedHat just needed the same stuff installed (most common mistake is not to install the glibc-devel rpm's), and it would have built fine, as would any other Linux distro, even (in the case of a well-written app that uses all the imake stuff) on just about any other Unix.
RedHat, Slack, Deb, Mandrake, SUSE, whatever, you just need to know what you need to install to make stuff work.
So in your case, "trolling" as in asking for flames by spouting erroneous output.
Okay kids, it's real simple, and it makes your life much easier-- us old geezers from back in the Netscape 2.x days when Java was even more broken than now have had our browsers like this for quite awhile:
Click Edit.
Click Preferences.
Click Advanced.
Turn off Java.
Turn off JavaScript.
Problem solved. Also fixes the annoying pop-ups on pr0n sites and geocities.
Actually, one of cisco's latest accquisitions is a company that makes an Ethernet-based VOIP (Voice Over IP) phone... Apparently you get a phone with an RJ-45 jack, and a little ROM with a MAC address and extension number burned into it. Plug into any network jack on the LAN, the phone gets an address via DHCP, and there you are. Add a little two-port hub onto that phone and a laptop and you've got a roaming office.
Add broadband metropolitan ethernet and there you go.
Of course, Ma Bell managing a global IP-based network is kinda scary-- phreekers and crackers would finally have a common ground. And looking at how @home is layed out now (of course that's the Death Star, not the RBOC's), you gotta wonder what kinda clusterfuck we'd end up with if the had another hundred million or so clients attached... I better stop while I can still sleep, or I'll be up all night pondering phone guys with LAN analyzers running CAT5.... NOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Well, the open PCI slot thing is a non-issue if you go with an external modem, which will make your life easier, your pores clearer, your lawn greener, and your breath minty-fresh.
I have honestly had a third as many problems with external modems, not to mention the LBL (Little Blinking Lights) factor. And I can bring a discarded one along with me on trips with my laptop. The Diamond Supra Express ones are even rinky enough to fit easily in a laptop bag.
I miss the days when a computer was a keyboard and a mainboard with umpteen cables and external devices hanging off it. It made that $2K investment feel like you were really getting something!
WTF does his orientation have to do with ANYTHING??? I've heard rumors to that effect before myself, but who the hell cares? I like a band for a band, not for the individuals that make it up. Oh and speaking of sodomy, Kinks are a pretty poor choice of band as well for homophobes like yourself... David Watts, mayhap? Lola??? I'll stop as I've already given you more attention than you deserve.
This is an odd convergence for me. I'm probably the only person I know who wants a RedHat patch for his parka. 8)
Oh, and Rob, you gotta move past just Who (they're great and all, natch) and check out Small Faces, Kinks, Stones, etc. -- Don't forget late 70's revival either -- Jam, Purple Hearts, Merton Parkas... And some of the Manchester late 80's bands had a Who-tinge, too: Stone Roses, CharlatansUK, Ride, etc. And nowadays, Supergrass kicks arse...
Any proposal citing GNU Emacs as an example of the clarity and efficacy of consensus-based coding falls a bit short... Zoinks!
It's still boggling that arguments like that sold Jim Barksdale on Open Source.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in this stuff. Just not the ESR-ified and RMS-ified versions.
Oh and on the topic itself-- Do an archive, just don't do one that's too full of itself, which is the problem with most ventures like that. And for god's sake do some nice html. Two-thirds of the Linux sites out there *still* look like somebody's sophomore research project page.
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Sure, their Johnny Thunders / Iggy / Lou Reed / NY Dolls / Ramones / Damned / take your pick -derivative two chord masterpieces hopefully turned people on to other bands that actually mattered. Yay, Pistols!
Me, I always felt like something was missing with them, even as a kid. Felt strangely empty after listening to NMTB, sort of like after an episode of King of Queens. Felt like I'd been had, somehow. Not so with say, Rocket to Russia, or (in my sXe period) The Crew. For me the Pistols weren't the first punk band I heard, that dubious honor goes to Johnny, Marky, DeeDee, and Joey.
Cos every star that shines in the back of your mind is just waitin' for his cover to be blown
Yeah, I seem to recall the Clash's integrity last time I saw that Jaguar commercial with London Calling in it.
I said "semblance" of integrity. Tough to name any bands from the 75-78 period that didn't sell out, unless they broke up.
Maybe Mick's finally getting his teeth fixed.
WTF are "punkers"? Did you mean to say "punks"?
I was listening to punk music while futzing around on FIDOnet when you were still begging your mommy to let you get a CompuServe account.
Why do you think we were called cyberPUNKs, dork? Go to DefCon and count mohawks some time.
I code, I hack, and I listen to punk, been that way since before you got here, will be that way long after you climb up to middle management and forget what little you ever knew.
The Pistols were a marketed, packaged commodity -- the punk equivalent of the Spice Girls. Many other bands maintained a semblance of integrity, and deserve more credit: the Damned, the Ramones, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, hell, even the Clash.
What exactly is there to celebrate about a band that was all hype and zero substance?
...this is is far simpler than you would think.
A lot of power companies, in the process of building nationwide power connectivity, laid fiber as well. They want to generate traffic (and revenue) from this dark fiber, and are snapping up ISP's and network companies to build out layer three.
Sorry, I know it's not as sexy.Why do so many people think MCSE is the only route to money in IT? Get RHCE, Cisco Certified (CCNA, CCDA), and Sun Certified, and then try to tell me the only way you can make money in IT is as an NT rebooting specialist...
I make a very nice income-- I'm 24, college dropout, and I don't touch a single MS box in the course of my job, EVER... I had to fight pretty hard to get here, but I stuck to my guns, and kept doing what I love, and it's paid off.
It will for you, too.
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XFree only crashes on me when xfstt and xfs start fighting over fonts-- then it cycles and glitches and screenrolls until I have to telnet in and kill X.
[/ontopic]
trying TKRat:
I have. It's so damn ugly, though. And minimal support for attachments, URLs, and html mail, all of which are, unfortunately, job requirements for me.
I've been impressed with Balsa, but it's not quite there yet. Actually, I'd like to see Balsa integrated with gnomecal and gnomecard for a full-service productivity app a la' Outlook.
gpm does indeed keep a pidfile if called in your inits, at least on all the distros I've used. You could call the shutdown portion of that init before starting X, though this might require root privileges. maybe set up xdm to start in rc.local, but set it up to be killable, call it from a script where the prior step is to stop gpm, the next step to start xdm, and the next to restart gpm.
>There's nothing left that is harder to install >than linux. I don't think that excuse is going >to hold up anymore.
Upgraded IRIX lately? Installed SCO 5? AIX?
Linux is a very user-friendly *Unix-based* OS. User-friendly is relative. I could care less if WinXX is easier. WinXX also happens to suck. I'm interested in running the Internet, not Joe Schmoe's file server. And I could care less what you run on your desktop.
MS can't run with the big boys on the big boxes, and they don't get the net. Never have. Therefore, they're irrelevant. Move on. Why waste time trying to make it easy for Grandma to use when we run half the WWW?
Linux as "Windows Killer" is a sucker's game.
The net is the killer app, embedded devices are the killer app, and whether your little brother can install it on his Packard Bell is not what Cox and Torvalds and Bob Young should be worried about.
Want point-and-click? Buy a mac.
I used to do a lot of bench work on Toshiba, Compaq, Gateway, DEC, etc. laptops and 98% are soldered to the board. I've seen a few socketed ones but you still need to be able to jumper to up the clock and I haven't seen one that would let you do that.
Try selling it. Laptops hold their value better than desktops, so you may still be able to get 500 bucks or so, which will put you halfway to a new one on onsale or one of the other discount houses.
"I've used PHP on Linux with Apache and have had lots of luck with it, but that's because it's designed to work on UNIX-y boxes with Apache, for the most part. Trying to wedge it into an NT/IIS situation is, IMHO, Not A Good Idea."
I agree. You sell them on it and push it as open standard to get away from proprietary solutions, you run it on a crappy OS and a crappy HTTP server instead of the platform it's built for, and the higher-ups blame the app when it bombs out, instead of the platform. "Open Source? Apache? We tried that PHP stuff on the IIS box and it cratered in a week."
Wait for a chance to implement it on Apache/GNU/BSD or it'll sneak up and bite you in the ass.
I've done what you're talking about on both platforms, pal, and believe me -- it went a HELL of a lot more smoothly on *nix (did one DBMS / POS on SCO, another on Linux, a couple in Win/DOS).
Don't speak up unless you've done it, please. It's an absolute pain in the ass to do something like this cleanly on Win/DOS, unless you just buy a turnkey setup, which still will probably bomb out on occasion.
In fact, if anybody knows the Git-N-Go (tm) chains here in the U.S. (which run NT/9x), you're probably familiar with waiting in line or waiting to pump gas while the semi-literate sales clerk reboots the register. I see it about twice a month; waited in line 20 min.'s while they figured out the register was locked up today.
In short, shutup.
Yeah.
Word to the wise: secure the hell out of your box before you go poking around and knocking on people's doors and peeking in windows. A lot of people don't take kindly to portscans. Some of them will peek back, and maybe bounce your box and check for common vulnerabilities as a warning shot.
I can start trying to get Linux into some of my clients...
At least take it out of the shrinkwrap first. It tends to chafe a bit.
Simple: Slack works to build apps because you installed it with the proper packages (tgz's) to allow you to do this, probably libc headers, some libcrypt stuff, yadda yadda. RedHat just needed the same stuff installed (most common mistake is not to install the glibc-devel rpm's), and it would have built fine, as would any other Linux distro, even (in the case of a well-written app that uses all the imake stuff) on just about any other Unix.
RedHat, Slack, Deb, Mandrake, SUSE, whatever, you just need to know what you need to install to make stuff work.
So in your case, "trolling" as in asking for flames by spouting erroneous output.
Don't blame your ignorance on the distro, buddy.
Okay kids, it's real simple, and it makes your life much easier-- us old geezers from back in the Netscape 2.x days when Java was even more broken than now have had our browsers like this for quite awhile:
Click Edit.
Click Preferences.
Click Advanced.
Turn off Java.
Turn off JavaScript.
Problem solved. Also fixes the annoying pop-ups on pr0n sites and geocities.
Now quit whining and CRACK THIS SITE!!!!
Actually, one of cisco's latest accquisitions is a company that makes an Ethernet-based VOIP (Voice Over IP) phone... Apparently you get a phone with an RJ-45 jack, and a little ROM with a MAC address and extension number burned into it. Plug into any network jack on the LAN, the phone gets an address via DHCP, and there you are. Add a little two-port hub onto that phone and a laptop and you've got a roaming office.
Add broadband metropolitan ethernet and there you go.
Of course, Ma Bell managing a global IP-based network is kinda scary-- phreekers and crackers would finally have a common ground. And looking at how @home is layed out now (of course that's the Death Star, not the RBOC's), you gotta wonder what kinda clusterfuck we'd end up with if the had another hundred million or so clients attached... I better stop while I can still sleep, or I'll be up all night pondering phone guys with LAN analyzers running CAT5.... NOOOOOOO!!!!!
Well, the open PCI slot thing is a non-issue if you go with an external modem, which will make your life easier, your pores clearer, your lawn greener, and your breath minty-fresh.
I have honestly had a third as many problems with external modems, not to mention the LBL (Little Blinking Lights) factor. And I can bring a discarded one along with me on trips with my laptop. The Diamond Supra Express ones are even rinky enough to fit easily in a laptop bag.
I miss the days when a computer was a keyboard and a mainboard with umpteen cables and external devices hanging off it. It made that $2K investment feel like you were really getting something!
WTF does his orientation have to do with ANYTHING??? I've heard rumors to that effect before myself, but who the hell cares? I like a band for a band, not for the individuals that make it up. Oh and speaking of sodomy, Kinks are a pretty poor choice of band as well for homophobes like yourself... David Watts, mayhap? Lola??? I'll stop as I've already given you more attention than you deserve.
Ass.
Don't forget the Richard Barnes book!
This is an odd convergence for me. I'm probably the only person I know who wants a RedHat patch for his parka. 8)
Oh, and Rob, you gotta move past just Who (they're great and all, natch) and check out Small Faces, Kinks, Stones, etc. -- Don't forget late 70's revival either -- Jam, Purple Hearts, Merton Parkas... And some of the Manchester late 80's bands had a Who-tinge, too: Stone Roses, CharlatansUK, Ride, etc. And nowadays, Supergrass kicks arse...
Okay, I'll shut up now. 8)
oh, BTW it's a personal goal of *mine* to be able to mentions mods (no not amiga .MOD files!!!!) on slashdot. woohoo!
damn right they do!
Better yet, use tcp_redir. It's simpler, and its docs are in english (a big bonus for me anyway...)
Any proposal citing GNU Emacs as an example of the clarity and efficacy of consensus-based coding falls a bit short... Zoinks!
It's still boggling that arguments like that sold Jim Barksdale on Open Source.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in this stuff. Just not the ESR-ified and RMS-ified versions.
Oh and on the topic itself-- Do an archive, just don't do one that's too full of itself, which is the problem with most ventures like that. And for god's sake do some nice html. Two-thirds of the Linux sites out there *still* look like somebody's sophomore research project page.