Humans have one more layer over the primate brain which makes us unique.
Obviously humans are smarter than primates, but they still feel pain and have emotions. What gives us the right to keep them in a cage and perform painful tests on them? How would you like it if some gorillas came to your house at night and took your kids for testing or eating?
Researchers have no preference for torture
I think putting harmful chemicals in eyes, or feeding animals dangerous stuff to see if they get cancer would be considered torture. Maybe torture isn't their main goal, but thats what's going on.
So how about if the animals are killed instantaneously and painlessly?
If it going to be done anyway, then instantanious and painless would be good. I don't think this is always the case especially in places where they don't have modern equipment.
How about killing humans humanely for food?
IMO, not much different than killing animals, except that a human could tell you how much it sucked living in a cage your whole life then being killed. Personally I don't have as much of a problem with the actual killing (everybody dies), but more with the poor conditions on farms, and the downright torture with animal testing.
I don't think your analogy is accurate. A man being run over would be accidental. Murduring would be purposeful. Eating meat obviously isn't accidental. The only difference between murduring a person and eating meat is the fact that it's a human, not an animal. Also, in the case of animal experimentation on monkeys, they are 98% like humans anyway.
Besides, vegetarians kill plants.
Give me a break. Plants don't have nervous systems like animals. Therefore don't feel pain or suffer like when you pour chemicals in their eyes or cut their throat.
Yes, but what ever happened the fifth commandment (thou shall not kill). Most animal research usually ends with some painful death. And why aren't all christens also vegetarians if you're supposed to follow these commandments and not kill things? See you in hell!
I'm in basically the same situation. If it's just a consulting business, then this works great. If they are actually selling a software product, they will probably need a vendors license (at least that's what my lawyer told me). I just applied for my license a week or so ago - hopefully it won't get back to any of the crotchety old people in my association, they have kinds of dumb ass rules.
Personally I've had two identity theft incidents. One time someone in Japan (I'm in the US) used my credit/debit card number and cleaned out several thousand dollars from my bank account. Another incident, someone printed or obtained fake checks with my name on them. With the present system anyone with a laser printer can make checks and anyone who works at restaurant or gas station can collect credit card numbers. At least this system will hopefully make it harder. And hopefully if someone does steal your card or something you won't be held accountable for damages.
Just today I forgot my online banking password. All I had to do was call the bank give them my ss#, date of birth, and mother's maiden name and bingo, they gave me a new password. This is information that plenty of ex-wives/girfriends would have access to, not to mention the person from the bank I just told.
A couple of years ago someone apparently printed out checks from a laser printer with my name on them. Any jack-ass with a descent laser printer can make checks and a fake id.
Also today my wife's purse was stolen. I was helping her call credit card companies to cancel her cards. But the credit card companies wouldn't let me cancel them because I obviously wasn't my wife even though I had the answers to all their lame "security" questions.
The whole entire system is fucked up and easily beaten.
It's hard to believe since I just laid off our last two Win32 guys Friday.
My guess is that the demand for windows specific programmers will be essentially non-existant in the future. Cross-platform apps will undoubtedly rule everywhere, even the desktop.
Also, it's painfully obvious that the people that run these agencies could care less about saving money.
That's probably why a law is needed to force these dinosaurs to look at saving money.
I deal with things like this every day and there's nothing that can be done about it.
Hopefully a law like this will help. If you just blindly pick a proprietary product you'd be breaking the law and hopefully diciplined/fired. It's unfortunate that state employees wouldn't care about saving people money.
Did you read about the case recently of the woman convicted of child abuse because her vegan diet harmed her unborn fetus?
No, I did read a similar case about a two year old that was like 10 pounds or something. I think a vegan diet may work for some people but not for others. My daughter is two years old on a vegetarian (not vegan) diet. She is about a head taller than anyone else her age, not fat, and seems very smart for her age. She also has not been sick or to the doctor besides her normal checkups. If she showed any signs of ill health I would certainly reevaluate her diet. Most kids I know her age have colds or ears infections much of the time. She clearly is much healthier than her freinds on the McDonalds diet! Maybe we should start convicting people who feed their kids this crap.
Thanks for the respone - very informative! I've been thinking about volunteering for schools to help them set-up Linux thin-clients. I hadn't thought about 2. I'd Better learn some more and start with small schools:)
Why do you need RedHat Network? Just download RedHat or Debian for free and use LTSP. Most schools probably have old hardware anyway, so thin clients would be the way to go.
The law exists to protect exployers from over working their employees. So why should a person making a high salary not have that protection? Personally I'd vote for the hourly limit to be 35 hours before overtime kicked in. Then maybe there wouldn't be so many unemployed people and people would get more time off (and less money of couse).
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Humans have one more layer over the primate brain which makes us unique.
Obviously humans are smarter than primates, but they still feel pain and have emotions. What gives us the right to keep them in a cage and perform painful tests on them? How would you like it if some gorillas came to your house at night and took your kids for testing or eating?
Researchers have no preference for torture
I think putting harmful chemicals in eyes, or feeding animals dangerous stuff to see if they get cancer would be considered torture. Maybe torture isn't their main goal, but thats what's going on.
So how about if the animals are killed instantaneously and painlessly?
If it going to be done anyway, then instantanious and painless would be good. I don't think this is always the case especially in places where they don't have modern equipment.
How about killing humans humanely for food?
IMO, not much different than killing animals, except that a human could tell you how much it sucked living in a cage your whole life then being killed. Personally I don't have as much of a problem with the actual killing (everybody dies), but more with the poor conditions on farms, and the downright torture with animal testing.
"animals don't feel pain because they don't have nervous systems like humans"
What are you talking about??? Who said this?
I don't think your analogy is accurate. A man being run over would be accidental. Murduring would be purposeful. Eating meat obviously isn't accidental. The only difference between murduring a person and eating meat is the fact that it's a human, not an animal. Also, in the case of animal experimentation on monkeys, they are 98% like humans anyway.
Besides, vegetarians kill plants.
Give me a break. Plants don't have nervous systems like animals. Therefore don't feel pain or suffer like when you pour chemicals in their eyes or cut their throat.
Yes, but what ever happened the fifth commandment (thou shall not kill). Most animal research usually ends with some painful death. And why aren't all christens also vegetarians if you're supposed to follow these commandments and not kill things? See you in hell!
I'm in basically the same situation. If it's just a consulting business, then this works great. If they are actually selling a software product, they will probably need a vendors license (at least that's what my lawyer told me). I just applied for my license a week or so ago - hopefully it won't get back to any of the crotchety old people in my association, they have kinds of dumb ass rules.
It's not the programmer that programs the machine.
Were trusting our democracy to these guy's! IMO there should be an open source voting project, maybe funded by some governments.
Personally I've had two identity theft incidents. One time someone in Japan (I'm in the US) used my credit/debit card number and cleaned out several thousand dollars from my bank account. Another incident, someone printed or obtained fake checks with my name on them. With the present system anyone with a laser printer can make checks and anyone who works at restaurant or gas station can collect credit card numbers. At least this system will hopefully make it harder. And hopefully if someone does steal your card or something you won't be held accountable for damages.
right, that was my point. having a security system with a major component being the sound of someone's voice is stupid.
Just today I forgot my online banking password. All I had to do was call the bank give them my ss#, date of birth, and mother's maiden name and bingo, they gave me a new password. This is information that plenty of ex-wives/girfriends would have access to, not to mention the person from the bank I just told.
A couple of years ago someone apparently printed out checks from a laser printer with my name on them. Any jack-ass with a descent laser printer can make checks and a fake id.
Also today my wife's purse was stolen. I was helping her call credit card companies to cancel her cards. But the credit card companies wouldn't let me cancel them because I obviously wasn't my wife even though I had the answers to all their lame "security" questions.
The whole entire system is fucked up and easily beaten.
That's why I do AI programming. I figure the last employed programmer will be the person programming a robot to program!
It's hard to believe since I just laid off our last two Win32 guys Friday.
My guess is that the demand for windows specific programmers will be essentially non-existant in the future. Cross-platform apps will undoubtedly rule everywhere, even the desktop.
Also, it's painfully obvious that the people that run these agencies could care less about saving money.
That's probably why a law is needed to force these dinosaurs to look at saving money.
I deal with things like this every day and there's nothing that can be done about it.
Hopefully a law like this will help. If you just blindly pick a proprietary product you'd be breaking the law and hopefully diciplined/fired. It's unfortunate that state employees wouldn't care about saving people money.
Did you read about the case recently of the woman convicted of child abuse because her vegan diet harmed her unborn fetus?
No, I did read a similar case about a two year old that was like 10 pounds or something. I think a vegan diet may work for some people but not for others. My daughter is two years old on a vegetarian (not vegan) diet. She is about a head taller than anyone else her age, not fat, and seems very smart for her age. She also has not been sick or to the doctor besides her normal checkups. If she showed any signs of ill health I would certainly reevaluate her diet. Most kids I know her age have colds or ears infections much of the time. She clearly is much healthier than her freinds on the McDonalds diet! Maybe we should start convicting people who feed their kids this crap.
I'm all for eating vegans...
Is your mom a vegan? If so, world hunger problem solved!
I wonder how many homes could be powered if everyone ate vegan, and we used all the energy it takes to raise all those cows for electricity.
Thanks for the respone - very informative! I've been thinking about volunteering for schools to help them set-up Linux thin-clients. I hadn't thought about 2. I'd Better learn some more and start with small schools:)
Why do you need RedHat Network? Just download RedHat or Debian for free and use LTSP. Most schools probably have old hardware anyway, so thin clients would be the way to go.
The law exists to protect exployers from over working their employees. So why should a person making a high salary not have that protection? Personally I'd vote for the hourly limit to be 35 hours before overtime kicked in. Then maybe there wouldn't be so many unemployed people and people would get more time off (and less money of couse).
For now, it's price.
Better security and performance don't hurt either.
250 people IBM employs to improve Linux at its Linux Technology Center.
This seems like pretty good support to me.
IBM needs to use all the programmers who formerly worked on OS2/AIX to make a user friendly Linux distro
Why should they do this? They make money from selling Linux servers and supporting them. Anyway, IMO Linux is already user freindly.
RTFA, I don't think their just burning them a CD with apache on it.
I don't know whether it's because it saves a lot of money or that it's an idealistic point of view
Or maybe they don't want to get hacked every other day!
Is it necessary?
No!
Actually communists are bad too - North Korea anyone??? We'll nuke you all you evil bastards!!!