"Junk mail hasn't brought the postal service to its knees."
have you bought a stamp lately? it's not exactly "free" to send out a million leaflets advertising penis extension. this is a form of information control.
"Telemarketers are a pain, but people still use phones and even find new ways to travel with them."
but they just passed a law to essentially stop telemarketers. telemarketers can't FREELY call you... it's not an open system anymore. that's part of the guy's point.
i agree it's a little alarmist, but there are still serious issues at hand and when joe schmoe consumer who doesn't care about "the open internet" (cause he's convinced that our media is "fair and balanced") got 150 email viruses last week and IS gonna bitch and WILL gladly support tightly controlled data exchange.
people are so ready to debunk this guy, but we forget, the slashdot population is a little different than barely computer literate middle america. these are the people that think ashcroft has good intentions. m.
If getting a high paying job post-graduation is your top priority, how did you spend your time in school?
I think this is a fair question to make at any level of schooling.
Did you try to learn actual real world stuff or did you spend all of your time in the academic side of things?
Everybody that I know who took the extra time to get their hands dirty in stuff that people actually use in the industry as technologies come and go alongside class material earned way more than those that just concentrated solely on class material.
It's your college's job to teach you generalized information so that you can apply that to new technologies as things change. It's not their job to teach you.NET or Apache config stuff, but that's what will make you ultimately employable.
The best of both worlds occurs when you come to your teachers in certain classes and say, "hey, for my networking project, is it ok if i use [industry buzz heavy solution] so i can get some experience/practice in it?" most teachers will totally encourage you to do so.
Getting a phd is the same process. Are you going to be researching sorting algorithms or are you going to be researching xml or comparing implementations of soap and perhaps getting involved with various commitees? You have to go where the action is if getting a fat paycheck or having a lot of job options are your top priority.
Personally, as others have stated, I think PhD's should be for something you truly love and can almost be tangental to an actual career at first. Job placement is way the heck on the other side of a massive hill of work. m.
so if there is suddenly audio or interactivity, the graphics portion is irrelevant?
the SIGs aren't so inherently narrow. as computers become multimedia platforms, they encompass all senses.
furthermore, graphics/visualization and interface are inherently bound. you may be making music, but to use a GUI to make that music, there is a visual organization that is necessary, and that is very graphical by definition.
it's better to have one conference to get all the right people in one place than to have 3 conferences and not get the pollination.
in my experience... if you wanna pass more complex datastructures over webservices, you send objects encoded as xml strings... then decode the xml into the native structures you want.
sure, it's work, but so it goes.
that's how we've gotten around a lack of standardization of higher level objects.
i've been writing a set of java services to serve as a linux option to some.NET services already in place. the hardest stuff i've had to tackle in the interoperability between java and.NET is getting into the soap headers... and then just getting commonality between encryption classes etc. lot's of hurdles and non-overlapping block styles and things. drive me crazy!
gosh, and then how some of those wsdl and stub generator tools in java land have changed and produce different code. shoot me now! m.
doing things on foot requires different approaches, that's all. when the grocery is one block away, you only buy for today and tomorrow maybe. you don't buy 12 bags of stuff. when you buy something big, you get it delivered.
it's not as hectic or as much of a hassle if you don't let it be. car scale thinking for foot scale living makes things harder than it needs to be. m.
a) status. the rich have always sought prestige through status. all the rulers of the various great civilizations have commisioned artists and artisans to create monuments and artifacts to impress upon rivals and so on. and the beat goes on. many rich folks today use these artifacts to show off and get respect. you get invited to right parties. the right people become your friends. you make money.
b) history. the rich used portrait artists and sculptors to create a living embodiment of their greatness. they serve as the photograph of the past.
c) education. much of the religious painting that's gone on in the past was used as a means for the church to provide visuals to go along with the various stories. they didn't have charlton heston parting the red sea on tv. those images served to educate.
it's not such a bad analogy.
as others responding to your post have said and as you probably know... a lot of us still have to deal with programming as a matter of engineering. regardless of where you work, there are probably deadlines and demands for a something to show to somebody who's paying everybody.
and i seriously doubt we'll see the national endowment of the arts pay for the next tomcat implementation...
we might see someone get a grant for something less useful though because whether or not the analogy is true, the world at large sees these things as two very different things.
being an artist hacker might not get you very far $$$-wise in the coding world right away. not in the process side. they want code fast and cheap.
there's a big difference between a print journalist and a poet.
he wants hackers to be poets.
your boss wants you to be a journalist. tight. concise. and ready to print in tomorrow's edition.
While the author has a lot of other good points and there's plenty of scary crap in there... well, scary depending on what OS you use in the future....
Web services for Java and.NET are very able to talk to eachother.
We're talking about SOAP over HTTP, two relatively open standards.
As long as formats are correct, you can get all the security and platform independence you want between client and service.
i have considered doing some sort of liberal arts degree and just free wheeling my way into classes i want to take....
universities vary on how they handle that... but options are there. you are right.
i was just making the connection that sometimes it's wiser to pull out before you've finished a degree because many universities make it easier for you to change your major and change course than to finish a course and go for another.
if i could do it again, i probably would've double majored.
a) what's the point of an college education when you might learn more outside of school? i note your use of quotes around education... but really that just nullifies your statement. don't we always learn? and if so, aren't we always educating ourselves?
b) what's the point of a formal education when you might not get to study exactly what you want? so, i didn't take high school as seriously as i might have. i was a B, B+ student. well that translated into not getting into a school like UCB or MIT where i could've taken a degree that was a little more out there. (i would've preferred an art-computer science hybrid.) i had to settle for a college education that centered more around CS and enrich my life on the side with artistic pursuits.
i got into grad school and dropped out midway through the first semester solely because i could've aced a master's degree but i would've totally missed out on becoming a master of what i really love.
c) and in a result of that, i now find myself with and degree in computer engineering, but no easy way to pursue a degree in art or any of these new art-computer degrees that have been around for the last few years. i have too much XP for a bachelors program, but not quite enough paper to back up my readiness for a masters. sometimes having that slip of paper is a hinderance.
of course, these are just mistakes and lessons i've learned... (which, the lessons could be mistakes on their own.) m.
while i subscribe to wire... i wouldn't say the music described in there is for everybody. most of what's there is very avant, very ununusual, and very experimental. you won't find the latest poppy gem in there by definition.
wire is for those who don't mind a little challenge in their listening. it's like sushi. as a cornfed american kid, you just don't show up and expect to just pick a few random items on the menu and succeed in having a great meal. you have to be led into it.
i'm just shuddering at the possibility of someone who likes rock and hip-hop and so on buying a merzbow album with nothing but seemingly random static testing the far reachest of your amplifier's range. that's not listening for everybody.
from zines to msg boards to slashdot similar thing to online stores to even online encyclopedias... there's a variety of information sources...here's just a few of the ones i know.
what a troll.... there are plenty of VERY ethical and VERY practical reasons for treading with caution on those particular issues you mention and they have little or nothing to do with religious context...
a) screwing our gene pool b) screwing the balance in our environment c) eugenics d) animal abuse and/or the legal conundrums introduced by man/animal hyrids
sure, religious practice is supposed to resist change to an extent... but the above are things that can't be just gleamed over by any governing factors... we can't afford to fix these problems after the fact... it could result in extinction... you have to move slowly in some cases.
many people will ride whatever slogan craze is thrown at them in the name of instant gratification... just cause someone buys something, doesn't mean it's of high quality....
mcdonalds anyone?
there's a major difference between the beatles and n'sync...
and what's with the "duh"? sheesh. m. http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
1) have patience. indie superstars do not happen overnight. all the indie "greats" took quite a while to get to where they could at least pay for a few things.
2) network. tour. make friends with the kids. tour some more. tour with other well-liked bands.
get your crap out on a well known indie label. do splits and comps and zine interviews. get on mailing lists, participate, get your name out. loyal followers will follow. get your cd noticed by folks like pitchforkmedia.com or insound.com, who both attract a lot of traffic and will review and sell your cds for you. send free cds to other online zines. become friends with more people in bands. tour. put videos and songs up online. really though, all the internet doings are still not going to have the effect of making the right friends in person as well as online. sadly, diy indie is pretty paradoxical. you really do need all those people.
3) patience.
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
Another very useful application for that technology would be a way to make windows through feet of concrete or metal.... your house could have massively thick walls and you could get all kinds of light and visibility via this technology.
how about space ships with hulls several feet thick? want a window through 5 feet of steel? talk about "glass" bottom boats or wonder woman's invisible jet... you could also make cars without glass windows... (heaven forbid the sensors go dead though!!!)
and talk about tv with "real" depth!!!
very cool stuff. the list could go on and on. the applications for that tech are pretty wide and far reaching... m.
i realize i'm seen as a criminal to some out there... but the law is to be enforced by the authorities, those elected, or who's boss is elected like sheriffs and commisioners, etc. state and federal officials are liable for damages they inflict when you're innocent.
who's gonna stop the riaa and mpaa from DOSing anyone they feel like it? even if i'm clean, but i'm an advocate of a ban on intellectual property, they can use their powers to suspect me as a ringleader and screw up my means to communicate with my people.
foolish, foolish stuff. i can't imagine it going very far before it's shot down by cooler heads. hello, supreme court? a bill that spits in your face? care to squash it?
between my linux/java/soap project, my.net headache project, my php project, my perl/mysql project(s), my asp maintainance, BEING A PARENT AND A HUSBAND, the crazy cat from hell, the band, the zine, friends, did i mention the baby?, etc...
I NEED SOME FREAKIN REDUCTION IN BRAIN ACTIVITY!
gimme something please!
if not neverwinter nights, give me some drugs. now!
i remember seeing a Priest demonstration at UF
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The Magic Box Hoax
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we didn't even get to see a demo...some suit with a black belt in marketing tried to pitch application sharing instead of actually showing us the technology working.
it was funny.
our professor dr. nemo (http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nemo/) completely wrecked on it because let's face it...what modulation is gonna overcome the 3k filters that were on most phone lines at the time?
holy vaporware. this is completely hilarious to read about this a few years later.
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
Slashdot Mirror
"Junk mail hasn't brought the postal service to its knees."
have you bought a stamp lately? it's not exactly "free" to send out a million leaflets advertising penis extension. this is a form of information control.
"Telemarketers are a pain, but people still use phones and even find new ways to travel with them."
but they just passed a law to essentially stop telemarketers. telemarketers can't FREELY call you... it's not an open system anymore. that's part of the guy's point.
i agree it's a little alarmist, but there are still serious issues at hand and when joe schmoe consumer who doesn't care about "the open internet" (cause he's convinced that our media is "fair and balanced") got 150 email viruses last week and IS gonna bitch and WILL gladly support tightly controlled data exchange.
people are so ready to debunk this guy, but we forget, the slashdot population is a little different than barely computer literate middle america. these are the people that think ashcroft has good intentions.
m.
If getting a high paying job post-graduation is your top priority, how did you spend your time in school?
.NET or Apache config stuff, but that's what will make you ultimately employable.
I think this is a fair question to make at any level of schooling.
Did you try to learn actual real world stuff or did you spend all of your time in the academic side of things?
Everybody that I know who took the extra time to get their hands dirty in stuff that people actually use in the industry as technologies come and go alongside class material earned way more than those that just concentrated solely on class material.
It's your college's job to teach you generalized information so that you can apply that to new technologies as things change. It's not their job to teach you
The best of both worlds occurs when you come to your teachers in certain classes and say, "hey, for my networking project, is it ok if i use [industry buzz heavy solution] so i can get some experience/practice in it?" most teachers will totally encourage you to do so.
Getting a phd is the same process. Are you going to be researching sorting algorithms or are you going to be researching xml or comparing implementations of soap and perhaps getting involved with various commitees? You have to go where the action is if getting a fat paycheck or having a lot of job options are your top priority.
Personally, as others have stated, I think PhD's should be for something you truly love and can almost be tangental to an actual career at first. Job placement is way the heck on the other side of a massive hill of work.
m.
so if there is suddenly audio or interactivity, the graphics portion is irrelevant?
the SIGs aren't so inherently narrow. as computers become multimedia platforms, they encompass all senses.
furthermore, graphics/visualization and interface are inherently bound. you may be making music, but to use a GUI to make that music, there is a visual organization that is necessary, and that is very graphical by definition.
it's better to have one conference to get all the right people in one place than to have 3 conferences and not get the pollination.
m.
dude, the fact that he's got his feet wet in both sides of the fence is a plus in my book. isn't the article about interoperability?
?
m.
in my experience... if you wanna pass more complex datastructures over webservices, you send objects encoded as xml strings... then decode the xml into the native structures you want.
.NET services already in place. the hardest stuff i've had to tackle in the interoperability between java and .NET is getting into the soap headers... and then just getting commonality between encryption classes etc. lot's of hurdles and non-overlapping block styles and things. drive me crazy!
sure, it's work, but so it goes.
that's how we've gotten around a lack of standardization of higher level objects.
i've been writing a set of java services to serve as a linux option to some
gosh, and then how some of those wsdl and stub generator tools in java land have changed and produce different code. shoot me now!
m.
doing things on foot requires different approaches, that's all. when the grocery is one block away, you only buy for today and tomorrow maybe. you don't buy 12 bags of stuff. when you buy something big, you get it delivered.
it's not as hectic or as much of a hassle if you don't let it be. car scale thinking for foot scale living makes things harder than it needs to be.
m.
they can definitely evoke an emotional response and often have important messages to convey.
why they aren't protected by free speech is beyond me.
m.
a) status. the rich have always sought prestige through status. all the rulers of the various great civilizations have commisioned artists and artisans to create monuments and artifacts to impress upon rivals and so on. and the beat goes on. many rich folks today use these artifacts to show off and get respect. you get invited to right parties. the right people become your friends. you make money.
b) history. the rich used portrait artists and sculptors to create a living embodiment of their greatness. they serve as the photograph of the past.
c) education. much of the religious painting that's gone on in the past was used as a means for the church to provide visuals to go along with the various stories. they didn't have charlton heston parting the red sea on tv. those images served to educate.
it's not such a bad analogy.
as others responding to your post have said and as you probably know... a lot of us still have to deal with programming as a matter of engineering. regardless of where you work, there are probably deadlines and demands for a something to show to somebody who's paying everybody.
and i seriously doubt we'll see the national endowment of the arts pay for the next tomcat implementation...
we might see someone get a grant for something less useful though because whether or not the analogy is true, the world at large sees these things as two very different things.
being an artist hacker might not get you very far $$$-wise in the coding world right away. not in the process side. they want code fast and cheap.
there's a big difference between a print journalist and a poet.
he wants hackers to be poets.
your boss wants you to be a journalist. tight. concise. and ready to print in tomorrow's edition.
m.
While the author has a lot of other good points and there's plenty of scary crap in there... well, scary depending on what OS you use in the future....
.NET are very able to talk to eachother.
Web services for Java and
We're talking about SOAP over HTTP, two relatively open standards.
As long as formats are correct, you can get all the security and platform independence you want between client and service.
He blows that up a bit too much.
m.
i have considered doing some sort of liberal arts degree and just free wheeling my way into classes i want to take....
universities vary on how they handle that... but options are there. you are right.
i was just making the connection that sometimes it's wiser to pull out before you've finished a degree because many universities make it easier for you to change your major and change course than to finish a course and go for another.
if i could do it again, i probably would've double majored.
but oh well.
thanks for the idea,
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
a) what's the point of an college education when you might learn more outside of school? i note your use of quotes around education... but really that just nullifies your statement. don't we always learn? and if so, aren't we always educating ourselves?
b) what's the point of a formal education when you might not get to study exactly what you want? so, i didn't take high school as seriously as i might have. i was a B, B+ student. well that translated into not getting into a school like UCB or MIT where i could've taken a degree that was a little more out there. (i would've preferred an art-computer science hybrid.) i had to settle for a college education that centered more around CS and enrich my life on the side with artistic pursuits.
i got into grad school and dropped out midway through the first semester solely because i could've aced a master's degree but i would've totally missed out on becoming a master of what i really love.
c) and in a result of that, i now find myself with and degree in computer engineering, but no easy way to pursue a degree in art or any of these new art-computer degrees that have been around for the last few years. i have too much XP for a bachelors program, but not quite enough paper to back up my readiness for a masters. sometimes having that slip of paper is a hinderance.
of course, these are just mistakes and lessons i've learned... (which, the lessons could be mistakes on their own.)
m.
as a music geek i can genuinely say... gnod rocks!
go!
m.
while i subscribe to wire... i wouldn't say the music described in there is for everybody. most of what's there is very avant, very ununusual, and very experimental. you won't find the latest poppy gem in there by definition.
wire is for those who don't mind a little challenge in their listening. it's like sushi. as a cornfed american kid, you just don't show up and expect to just pick a few random items on the menu and succeed in having a great meal. you have to be led into it.
i'm just shuddering at the possibility of someone who likes rock and hip-hop and so on buying a merzbow album with nothing but seemingly random static testing the far reachest of your amplifier's range. that's not listening for everybody.
m.
from zines to msg boards to slashdot similar thing to online stores to even online encyclopedias... there's a variety of information sources...here's just a few of the ones i know.
the fake matador bb
i love music
aquarius records
pitchfork
pataphysics research lab
mideheaven mailorder
all music guide
m.
what a troll.... there are plenty of VERY ethical and VERY practical reasons for treading with caution on those particular issues you mention and they have little or nothing to do with religious context...
a) screwing our gene pool
b) screwing the balance in our environment
c) eugenics
d) animal abuse and/or the legal conundrums introduced by man/animal hyrids
sure, religious practice is supposed to resist change to an extent... but the above are things that can't be just gleamed over by any governing factors... we can't afford to fix these problems after the fact... it could result in extinction...
you have to move slowly in some cases.
m.
but i don't see how a flicker of light can hope to confirm such a theory... it seems like poor science...
how can you make the claim that a flicker of light from a particular region of deep space
='s
light from an occurance of matter and light breaking up from early time...
???
everybody's favorite man in a gorilla suit,
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
many people will ride whatever slogan craze is thrown at them in the name of instant gratification... just cause someone buys something, doesn't mean it's of high quality....
mcdonalds anyone?
there's a major difference between the beatles and n'sync...
and what's with the "duh"? sheesh.
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
nu metal, boy bands, and the latest "new" white strokes vines garage rock can kiss my ass.
m. http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
1) have patience. indie superstars do not happen overnight. all the indie "greats" took quite a while to get to where they could at least pay for a few things. 2) network. tour. make friends with the kids. tour some more. tour with other well-liked bands. get your crap out on a well known indie label. do splits and comps and zine interviews. get on mailing lists, participate, get your name out. loyal followers will follow. get your cd noticed by folks like pitchforkmedia.com or insound.com, who both attract a lot of traffic and will review and sell your cds for you. send free cds to other online zines. become friends with more people in bands. tour. put videos and songs up online. really though, all the internet doings are still not going to have the effect of making the right friends in person as well as online. sadly, diy indie is pretty paradoxical. you really do need all those people. 3) patience. m. http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
Another very useful application for that technology would be a way to make windows through feet of concrete or metal.... your house could have massively thick walls and you could get all kinds of light and visibility via this technology.
how about space ships with hulls several feet thick? want a window through 5 feet of steel? talk about "glass" bottom boats or wonder woman's invisible jet... you could also make cars without glass windows... (heaven forbid the sensors go dead though!!!)
and talk about tv with "real" depth!!!
very cool stuff. the list could go on and on. the applications for that tech are pretty wide and far reaching...
m.
that guy is raising the bar pretty high for the rest of us! good god! m. http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
to law and order.
i realize i'm seen as a criminal to some out there... but the law is to be enforced by the authorities, those elected, or who's boss is elected like sheriffs and commisioners, etc. state and federal officials are liable for damages they inflict when you're innocent.
who's gonna stop the riaa and mpaa from DOSing anyone they feel like it? even if i'm clean, but i'm an advocate of a ban on intellectual property, they can use their powers to suspect me as a ringleader and screw up my means to communicate with my people.
foolish, foolish stuff. i can't imagine it going very far before it's shot down by cooler heads. hello, supreme court? a bill that spits in your face? care to squash it?
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
between my linux/java/soap project, my .net headache project, my php project, my perl/mysql project(s), my asp maintainance, BEING A PARENT AND A HUSBAND, the crazy cat from hell, the band, the zine, friends, did i mention the baby?, etc...
I NEED SOME FREAKIN REDUCTION IN BRAIN ACTIVITY!
gimme something please!
if not neverwinter nights, give me some drugs. now!
please? calgon?
m.
http://www.pataphyics-lab.com
Now I officially pay extra to be able to see all the pop up ads and garbage that all the spyware and everything throws at me! Alright!
All I have to say is that if I get to pay more than I already pay (which feels like too much already) for less, I'm going to die of happiness!
I'm going back to tin cans and ham radios.
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com
we didn't even get to see a demo...some suit with a black belt in marketing tried to pitch application sharing instead of actually showing us the technology working. it was funny. our professor dr. nemo (http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nemo/) completely wrecked on it because let's face it. ..what modulation is gonna overcome the 3k filters that were on most phone lines at the time?
holy vaporware. this is completely hilarious to read about this a few years later.
m.
http://www.pataphysics-lab.com