All im trying to say is that he is not much of a taxan. He is the same as any other politician for good or bad. People need to stop voting for him becuase "hes an everyday guy". He absolutly is not an everyday guy. As someone said above. He was born in New England, spent some of his childhood in texas and spent the rest in New England again.
Add George W. Bush to that list. GWB was born in Connecticut and his family is from Maine. His family has lived in Maine for over 100 years. In fact George Bush Sr. still has a summer home half a mile away from the church his parents were married at.
Basically the bush family is and old money family from new england just like many of the other powerful people in politics.
Remeber that people who run corporations get to vote too. Hell even the actual corporations get to vote by proxy with the propaganda they put out washing people's minds.
You forgot to mention that your not a lawyer. Doing pro bono work does not mean your doing it for free. It means your doing the work for free if you lose and for money if you win your client money. Of course they will try and sue for lawyers fees, its the right thing to do. Lets say the ACLU wins a lawsuit of a case they did pro bono. This means the winning party now has to penny up the money but thankfully the ACLU goes after the wrongful party for money and does not panalize someone they defended just becuase they won.
Basically what im saying is that by sueing for lawyer fees after winning pro bono work to protect people's civil liberties they are also protecting your pocket book.
What you just said was not very centrist. You seem to side with Isreal. Nobody says Isreal shoudl nto be able to defend itself but giving low level soldiers little to no rules of engagement and sending them into a fight against people who they have been taught to hate? What the hella do you think is going to happen. The overuse of force is just as morally wrong as the random missle attacks on Isreal the difference is that for every citizen of Isreal who dies there will be dozens of arab's that die.
And would everyone please stop talking about how this is Isreal vs. Muslims. Lebanon is 40% Christain. This is not Isreal vs. Muslims, its Isreal vs. anyone not jewish. They dont even like other jews who don't believe is Zionism. Isreal is self reightous and murder children... EXACTLY the same as Hezbollah.
It may sound like I am defending Hezbollah but I am not. The reality is that the fighting is murderers vs. murderers and the people who really lose are the civilians on both sides.
It is possible to process information with absolutly 0 energy expended. If you use a certain transistor to do a calculation and then do the same calculation in reverse it requires 0 energy and produces 0 heat. It is a perfectly efficient process. This is called reversible logic.
This idea is over 40 years old and is well understood science. This is not science fiction and many of the technical aspects of how to engineer a system like this have been worked out but obviously not all just yet.
What I should have said was that communism did not exist in the minds of 19th century american.
Another thing many people have forgotten is all of the socialist policy that was adopted in the early 20th century that is still in place today. I am of course refering to the "New Deal" and all of the social programs that help millions of Americans every day yet dont undermine our capitalist economy.
First of all you are mixing modern "liberal" phrases with a time in our country that jsut does nto add up. You analogy is not very good.
Slavery was never a very good way of doing business. I wrote a paper in college breaking down the economics of slavery and let me tell you it was not that profitable. Depending on the era the slave was bought (import of new slaves was outlawed before slavery was abolished but smugglers still got them into the country) a young male slave would often cost from $40,000-50,000 in 2006 dollars.
Over the course of their lifetime they would produce enough goods to make it worth their original expensive but there were complications. Slaves would run away, get sick, die early, or be injured. Also minor sabotage was very common such as slaves intentionally using their hand tools incorrectly in order to break them (one example is while they were turning soil if they found a rock with their hoe they might break their tool over the rock and claim it was just an accident). Very few people ever afforded to buy slaves with cash and almost 100% of slave owners were in debt due to the loans for buying slaves.
So why did the south want slaves so much if it not only did not produce a good profit and also put them into debt? The answer is that the slave owners were building a way of life. They did not only care about their bottom line which is a business is run today. The slave owners were setting up and maintaining a society where the whites where at the top and even if they were not technically rich on paper they had a comfortable lifestyle living off the work of slaves. Even if someone was never able to pay off their debt they were trying to enter the plantation class which was actually a very small number of people. The poor whites defended the slave owners because it was the dream of many people to eventually become a plantation owner.
Remeber that Lincoln was a man of his day. It would be extremely unusual for him to really care about slavery as an educated rich white politician. Despite this there were people who did care on moral grounds to see slavery stopped. These are the forward thinking people that we call "progressive" by the most strict definition of the word.
they were not leftist (no agenda of forced redistribution, etc).
So having an agenda on forced redistribution is the test of being liberal or not? Also once again im reading deceptive wording. Using words like "agenda of forced" makes it seem like a minority is forcing a majority to do something. Also im nto even sure what your talking about but I assume you mean policies such as student funding and food banks are "forced redistribution (of wealth)".
But back to your original statement, no my example does not lose all relevence. It was a LIBERAL or if you prefer the word PROGRESSIVE viewpoint that stopped slavery. You seem to have a knee jerk reflex to leftism as it relates to communism which, remember, did not exist in the 19th century.
You are trying your hand at revisionist history and its not working so well. Stop trying to drag modern feelings and pre-conceived notions to a discussion about something that happened in a different time.
Above you said "The majority of people (americans) who aren't bush bashers see a link to iraq and terrorism wich has been shown numerous times buyt cionsistantly refuted by bush bashers."
One major reason why people BECOME Bush bashers is becuase they realize we were lied to about iraq/terrorism and that makes them into bush bashers. You are correct that on both sides of the politcal spectrum there are zealots who hate the other side no matter what but most people are not that way. Fortunatly most people are reasonable and use logic to make decisions.
You phrased these lines in a typical deceptive way. What you should have said was "LIBERALS brought an end to slavery in America." Remember that the Republican party was the left leaning party in the 19th century and the democrats where the conservative right wing party.
I didn't say he WAS corrupted. I just wanted to remind everyone than nobody is immune from corruption, nobody. Look at the evidence however. I know its not a lot to work with but it seems like Linus is supporting things that many of us think are bad. That does not make him outright bad for linux or anything like that. I am just saying that we cant just assume he is perfect in every way and we can leave it in his hands.
Someone disagrees with you, so they must be a troll? What the fuck is wrong with you?
It is much cheaper to find a drug than invent a drug. Many drugs invented in the 20th century are being tried on EVERY possible condition possible. Sometimes an old drug is found to help with a completely unrelated condition.
This may be me going out on a limb but maybe Linus knows he personally will be allowed to tinker no matter what gets implimented. Remember that hes not immune to being corrupted by money too.
The difference is that Remington has lots of money to buy lawyers to defend themselves. If the government going after you for something equally as stupid your probably out of luck becuase you can afford million in legal fees.
You need to stop reading every post with your tinfoil hat on. When did I ever say that was MS doing was bad. When did I bash MS? I even said that was MS was doing was comparable to a successful Linux project. Sheesh so many of you guys have sucha knee jerk reflex.
When did i ever say it was not a "real" opengl implementation. I only put that word in caps so taht it was clear that opengl was running on top of directx.
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Your arguement is a textbook example of a fallacy of logic.
All im trying to say is that he is not much of a taxan. He is the same as any other politician for good or bad. People need to stop voting for him becuase "hes an everyday guy". He absolutly is not an everyday guy. As someone said above. He was born in New England, spent some of his childhood in texas and spent the rest in New England again.
its past 6am and im tired...
Add George W. Bush to that list. GWB was born in Connecticut and his family is from Maine. His family has lived in Maine for over 100 years. In fact George Bush Sr. still has a summer home half a mile away from the church his parents were married at.
Basically the bush family is and old money family from new england just like many of the other powerful people in politics.
Remeber that people who run corporations get to vote too. Hell even the actual corporations get to vote by proxy with the propaganda they put out washing people's minds.
You forgot to mention that your not a lawyer. Doing pro bono work does not mean your doing it for free. It means your doing the work for free if you lose and for money if you win your client money. Of course they will try and sue for lawyers fees, its the right thing to do. Lets say the ACLU wins a lawsuit of a case they did pro bono. This means the winning party now has to penny up the money but thankfully the ACLU goes after the wrongful party for money and does not panalize someone they defended just becuase they won.
Basically what im saying is that by sueing for lawyer fees after winning pro bono work to protect people's civil liberties they are also protecting your pocket book.
Its not about how good or how bad this is. Its about how this is CHEAPER.
What you just said was not very centrist. You seem to side with Isreal. Nobody says Isreal shoudl nto be able to defend itself but giving low level soldiers little to no rules of engagement and sending them into a fight against people who they have been taught to hate? What the hella do you think is going to happen. The overuse of force is just as morally wrong as the random missle attacks on Isreal the difference is that for every citizen of Isreal who dies there will be dozens of arab's that die.
And would everyone please stop talking about how this is Isreal vs. Muslims. Lebanon is 40% Christain. This is not Isreal vs. Muslims, its Isreal vs. anyone not jewish. They dont even like other jews who don't believe is Zionism. Isreal is self reightous and murder children... EXACTLY the same as Hezbollah.
It may sound like I am defending Hezbollah but I am not. The reality is that the fighting is murderers vs. murderers and the people who really lose are the civilians on both sides.
It is possible to process information with absolutly 0 energy expended. If you use a certain transistor to do a calculation and then do the same calculation in reverse it requires 0 energy and produces 0 heat. It is a perfectly efficient process. This is called reversible logic.
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http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/176/ibmrd1
This idea is over 40 years old and is well understood science. This is not science fiction and many of the technical aspects of how to engineer a system like this have been worked out but obviously not all just yet.
Nice nitpick, you are correct :)
What I should have said was that communism did not exist in the minds of 19th century american.
Another thing many people have forgotten is all of the socialist policy that was adopted in the early 20th century that is still in place today. I am of course refering to the "New Deal" and all of the social programs that help millions of Americans every day yet dont undermine our capitalist economy.
First of all you are mixing modern "liberal" phrases with a time in our country that jsut does nto add up. You analogy is not very good.
Slavery was never a very good way of doing business. I wrote a paper in college breaking down the economics of slavery and let me tell you it was not that profitable. Depending on the era the slave was bought (import of new slaves was outlawed before slavery was abolished but smugglers still got them into the country) a young male slave would often cost from $40,000-50,000 in 2006 dollars.
Over the course of their lifetime they would produce enough goods to make it worth their original expensive but there were complications. Slaves would run away, get sick, die early, or be injured. Also minor sabotage was very common such as slaves intentionally using their hand tools incorrectly in order to break them (one example is while they were turning soil if they found a rock with their hoe they might break their tool over the rock and claim it was just an accident). Very few people ever afforded to buy slaves with cash and almost 100% of slave owners were in debt due to the loans for buying slaves.
So why did the south want slaves so much if it not only did not produce a good profit and also put them into debt? The answer is that the slave owners were building a way of life. They did not only care about their bottom line which is a business is run today. The slave owners were setting up and maintaining a society where the whites where at the top and even if they were not technically rich on paper they had a comfortable lifestyle living off the work of slaves. Even if someone was never able to pay off their debt they were trying to enter the plantation class which was actually a very small number of people. The poor whites defended the slave owners because it was the dream of many people to eventually become a plantation owner.
Remeber that Lincoln was a man of his day. It would be extremely unusual for him to really care about slavery as an educated rich white politician. Despite this there were people who did care on moral grounds to see slavery stopped. These are the forward thinking people that we call "progressive" by the most strict definition of the word.
they were not leftist (no agenda of forced redistribution, etc).
So having an agenda on forced redistribution is the test of being liberal or not? Also once again im reading deceptive wording. Using words like "agenda of forced" makes it seem like a minority is forcing a majority to do something. Also im nto even sure what your talking about but I assume you mean policies such as student funding and food banks are "forced redistribution (of wealth)".
But back to your original statement, no my example does not lose all relevence. It was a LIBERAL or if you prefer the word PROGRESSIVE viewpoint that stopped slavery. You seem to have a knee jerk reflex to leftism as it relates to communism which, remember, did not exist in the 19th century.
You are trying your hand at revisionist history and its not working so well. Stop trying to drag modern feelings and pre-conceived notions to a discussion about something that happened in a different time.
And it should not cost more to produce."
Cost less hopefully?
Above you said "The majority of people (americans) who aren't bush bashers see a link to iraq and terrorism wich has been shown numerous times buyt cionsistantly refuted by bush bashers."
One major reason why people BECOME Bush bashers is becuase they realize we were lied to about iraq/terrorism and that makes them into bush bashers. You are correct that on both sides of the politcal spectrum there are zealots who hate the other side no matter what but most people are not that way. Fortunatly most people are reasonable and use logic to make decisions.
You phrased these lines in a typical deceptive way. What you should have said was "LIBERALS brought an end to slavery in America." Remember that the Republican party was the left leaning party in the 19th century and the democrats where the conservative right wing party.
I didn't say he WAS corrupted. I just wanted to remind everyone than nobody is immune from corruption, nobody. Look at the evidence however. I know its not a lot to work with but it seems like Linus is supporting things that many of us think are bad. That does not make him outright bad for linux or anything like that. I am just saying that we cant just assume he is perfect in every way and we can leave it in his hands.
Someone disagrees with you, so they must be a troll? What the fuck is wrong with you?
It is much cheaper to find a drug than invent a drug. Many drugs invented in the 20th century are being tried on EVERY possible condition possible. Sometimes an old drug is found to help with a completely unrelated condition.
think it is a nessecary step and actualy credit bush for sticking his neck out to protect american citizens
If by citizens you mean corporatizens...
This may be me going out on a limb but maybe Linus knows he personally will be allowed to tinker no matter what gets implimented. Remember that hes not immune to being corrupted by money too.
The difference is that Remington has lots of money to buy lawyers to defend themselves. If the government going after you for something equally as stupid your probably out of luck becuase you can afford million in legal fees.
Im sure it is terrifying to the current government to imagine people standing up for themselves.
Its sad but true that running away wont help. People need to stop talking about leaving the country and start standing up for what is right at home.
You need to stop reading every post with your tinfoil hat on. When did I ever say that was MS doing was bad. When did I bash MS? I even said that was MS was doing was comparable to a successful Linux project. Sheesh so many of you guys have sucha knee jerk reflex.
When did i ever say it was not a "real" opengl implementation. I only put that word in caps so taht it was clear that opengl was running on top of directx.